Do you struggle with questions of science vs. religion? How do you reconcile the two or do you?

[Anonymous]

[malarkey]

Nope. The human endeavor of science is the ultimate pursuit of truth and biology specifically is the study of life. So if Jesus is the way and the truth and the life as documented in John 14:6, then studying science and specifically biology would be paying attention to God. This is further backed up by Hebrews 1 which speaks to the supremacy of God's Son through which God has created and sustains all things in the universe by the word of his power. So to study the universe, is to study God's word. What great honor is there to have someone diligently listening to you and trying to understand your wonders with enthusiasm and amazement? As John 5:23 state, whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him. So it would seem, we should all be paying attention to the word. To turn a blind eye to the study of truth and life is to turn your back on God.

[malarkey]

*greater

[malarkey]

*then to

[OfDeath]

Drawing a long bow there.

[malarkey]

@OfDeath How so? Isaiah 1:18 says Come now, let us reason together, says the Lord... The Bible specifically expects people to use their minds, to investigate and evaluate ideas and to follow logic. While that is not common across all of religion, it is something specific to Christianity which is expected of followers.

[OfDeath]

The bible has a few passages like that but I’m not interested in proselytisation. Besides, a lot of true scientific study had been happening long before the bible was written anyway.

I specifically mean your claim studying science is “paying attention to god”. That is drawing a long bow dude. Science is the tool we use to ascertain reality. Saying it is paying attention to god is a false equivalence fallacy.

Religion is anti scientific by virtue of the fact it is ideologically driven. In cases where science conflicts with scripture or ones interpretation of it, glaringly in the case of the theory of evolution which has an enormity of reliable evidential backing, suddenly it is seen as heresy despite passages such as the one you quoted. That is not scientific.

What else is not scientific is having a final authority (god) which must not be questioned and is right even when obviously not. Science is to find falsehood and improve knowledge. Not to simply impose doctrine.

[malarkey]

@OfDeath You sure type a lot for someone with poor reading comprehension. I'm pretty sure you are mentally retarded. But go back and read what I wrote and try again. I'll give you a second change to show a basic ability to use reason.

[malarkey]

1) You are the one proselytizing. Did I come to you or did you come to me? Exactly.

2) When the Bible was written is irrelevant to the argument. Stay focused numskull. All we are doing is reading here.

3) Who said let us "reason" together? Was it me, or was it the Lord? So if the Lord is willing to meet people with opposing ideologies and practices and then reason with them (Israel) to lead them to Truth, this lets you know that you can debate God ("wrestle" with him...) and that God can be questioned, but God will lead you to Truth in that debate and that when you arrive at Truth then you will know the Way and a reconciliation will occur.

4) Many influential scientists were clergymen like Gregor Mendel for example. You're entire perception of religion exhibits your ignorance.

[malarkey]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxxhgzDOd58

[malarkey]

Did you think blind obedience allows you to know what IsReal... No, it takes debate, reasoning, and logic. That is exactly what is studied throughout the Old and New Testament.

[OfDeath]

Ok this is pretty much what I expected but I had given you the benefit of the doubt. It literally took 2 replies for you to resort to argumentum ad hominem, tu quoque and red herring fallacy.

Look, quoting the bible and basing your argument on a fictional authority from within your religion is proselytising. That is what your entire view is based on. If you’re offended by me pointing this out, it is your own fault.

As I mentioned before, the bible has a few passages which may be interpreted as encouraging what we would now understand as scientific inquiry. But we all know what happened when people started actually doing that and it clashed with claims in the bible. Just one example would be in 1633 when Galileo Galilei was put on trial for heresy by the Roman Inquisition for his support of heliocentrism as a result of their strict interpretation of the bible and it being a final authority. This is where religion and science are not compatible. You can’t have an ideologically authoritative doctrine like religion when you are trying to use the tool of science to ascertain reality. It will eventually impede, dispute or outright make the results illegal.

You can answer back with as much puerile vitriol as you like but it won’t make you right.

[malarkey]

@OfDeath You''ve exhausted your second change. You are actually mentally retarded. You can't read a sentence when it is presented to you. Even when I take the time to explain the sentence in simpler terms you are unable to understand it. When you are shown how your attempts at thinking are wrong, and are pointed to evidence that counters your perception, you are unable to correct your attempted thinking. You're probably the dumbest person I've run into in the past 10 years.

[jshm2]

No. It's quite simple.

Science can only give you guns and ammo, it cannot tell you why you should not shoot kids with it. Science can only deal with the physical and quantifiable - not the moral.

Religions cannot make guns or ammo, but make laws and guidance to punish those who use then wrongly.

Thus only idiots think you can have one without the other, or that there is any sort of conflict. Really it's their own personalities and opinions that are clashing, but they hide behind scientism or fanaticism.

[lightofdarkness]

Actually they not different things. Both of them complete together like goodness and darkness. Science show us the process and religion explain to why. Why do you exist, why you will die, why do you born in this family/ this country etc. Science teach you to how do you grow up, what make you a human. Psychology help resolve the life and life purpose. That is the connection between human soul and mind. Religious people believes everything has a reason and try to be good person. But normal, non religious people dont care much what kind of person who are they or why they living in this area. That's why religion and science complete each other. Also faith helps to make your life better than before. Because if you believe something you ill found power inside

[dustybiker2]

Science is provable. The other isn't or is hiding.

[strateguy632]

As if anything in history is provable.
Prove mathematically who was 2nd president! S. m. h.

[dustybiker2]

@strateguy632 Wrong class, sir. We're talking bible studies and chemistry.

[indissoluble]

Nope. The more educated you are on science, the more obvious God is. Just watch the short back and forth between these two at the beginning of this live steam. You have two guys that start out studying Biology. One bridges into Philosophy and the other into Computer Science/Engineering but both arrive at Christianity. It's generally people that don't understand Science or Religion that think there is a conflict.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/4OwdDNcW1Oo

[Purpleronnie]

Not really no , an individual can be scientific and religious , either or neither.


Science relies on experiments , deductions , controls and observations while religion relies on spiritual answers where there is no derived factual information. The are not mutually exclusive , choosing one is not denying the other.

There is no reconciliation needed , science and religion are two fundamentals of human life , to some extent also ruling our world. They coexist and are inter-connected but will ultimately never be fully defined.

[TheSpaceGnome]

No because I'm not dumb enough to believe in any religious nonsense.

I've already concluded via calculative deductive reasoning that the universe is infinite in both size and age, and thus cannot have been created, thus there is no creator of everything.

And that a god can't exist because omnipotence as a concept is self contradictory (because opposites exist, and the ability to do one thing is caused by the inability to do another thing).

And that dementia and other mental degenerative diseases prove that souls aren't real (if they were you would just think with your soul, and so bodily condition wouldn't effect cognition at all).

People who think you can believe in a religion while also being scientific, only think that because they do not understand either.

[Unit1]

Nein.

Science created the airplane.

Religion flies the airplanes into skyscrapers.

Now, now, I know this is a overly simplified statement and an insult to religion (no offense) while ignoring the finer details of both. My point being science made (my) life quite comfortable and religion (for me) did not. I enjoy pink hair and cat ears, not being told it's an instrument created by Satan himself and that i am defiling my very soul if not insulting Jesus with these.

[lightbulb27]

Quite read. For what its worth, Jesus wasn't so fond of the 🌎 and sought a tocket out. He was tortured to death for being good to people but angering the pious religious people.

[Unit1]

@lightbulb27 yes. I have no doubt that Jesus meant only well and no harm. It would be interesting to see how he would react towards today's religion in regards to what certain religious groups were and are doing.

[lightbulb27]

he's puke given how they behave in his name

[Unit1]

@lightbulb27 I believe so too. He'd go all like "No, no, no, not like that. Let me do it!" I'm pretty sure.

[lightbulb27]

Bible says he comes back and it's not nice this time around to those that affronted him, because he won't save them from the misery they created. It was a dream someone wrote about. That's the fear factor to keep people in line to the "narrow way". I know people that are doing it right... or way better, but most of us fail on a daily basis. It's so easy to go off track in this world, and the Bible says so... spoke about that often. Problem is when people think they are good but they are crapola... lack humility.

[Unit1]

@lightbulb27 Sensible. I mean Is it really that hard though to not be a jackhole and state in someone's religious names? Seems easy enough if you ask me.
Interestingly the Muslims I encounter appear to be quite down to earth and refer to me as "brother" or "my friend".

[lightbulb27]

I think it's a question of your measuring stick. I aim to do Christ's work, but that's a tall order sometimes and I bumble it. What am I to do when I have someone begging for a dollar? Give it... and they probably buy drugs. Take them in and rehab them. Leave them. I often lose opportunities and I feel like I fail Christ... he just wants to save people. Goal is to help others find Christ for their benefit. If you are successful at caring for others, that is good.
What I found of muslims is they are very welcoming/sharing and dedicated, it's their training. They give to charity out of obligation. But as well, you are an outsider until you are a Muslim and as well, once you are a Muslim, is offensive to leave.. maybe dangerous. The west believes in freedom to choose religion, they do not. With most other beliefs, you can leave and they won't kill you.
How I understand most issues is... what is the driving emotional energy. For Muslim, it is pride and honour. That is why they will kill if dishonoured (blaseph mohammed, burn their book, daughter dishonours parents, etc..). Christians energy focused on love. don't know the others. However, negative emotional energy is 10x the power of positive, so it tends to dominate people and easily take over. Shame and fear, malice, envy, greed... are what's in play.
That's how I view it all. You figure out what is driving you and what you really want (emotionally) and work towards that. I see nothing better than what Christ did. But people mess it up, I think you experienced that.
There's good and bad in each belief system or none.
Science to me somewhat supports religion but they are logic vs faith (emotion). Different views.

[Anonymous]

Not like I did when I was younger. If you're waiting for a burning bush to appear to give you faith you'll probably be waiting forever. But over the course of the past 20 years. I've have seen too much in my life negate God's existence. The same patterns seem to repeat you start to realize what a miracle is and how improbable everything is. It always amuses me how people will go to such lengths to try to disprove God's existence. When mathematically speaking, the odds of intelligent design are far greater than pure chance. Here's a video that illustrates this point.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/yy6kaDaeDT8

[DrPepper12]

I do struggle mightily. It's so difficult to understand & accept that modern humans still fall for this neolithic, entirely human financial scam & social control. It's pathetic.

Time to grow up humans.

[strateguy632]

Obviously when catholic oppressed copernicus and galileo that annoyed me, but no struggle.

The fact that many scientists are Christians indicated no conflict.

The myth of conflict 'science vs. religion" is just a myth.

Biology NEVER excluded a virgin birth it just explained common birth.

[AMS700CX4u2]

Creation vs evolution? Same thing. The problem is that humans have trouble understanding how God could create physical matter and let the remainder occur through evolution. It is all the same thing.

[Dargil]

*G0d revealed science to us, just not all at once. Genesis, edited for making my point.
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth...
*And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

Science is revealing that there was Only light in the beginning. Where did it come from? G0d. I hold that Intelligent Design is G0d's truth.

[strateguy632]

You self contradicted, that isn't harmony one said "Only light" but you quoted "beginning God created the heavens and the earth."

[slatyb]

What created God? If God can exist without being created, so can the universe.

[Dargil]

@strateguy632 ***yawn*** You are good for my insomnia. I will not do your homework for you.

[slatyb]

"I will not do your homework for you" -- the reply of someone who has no answer.

[Dargil]

@slatyb You're getting weaker and weaker. Guessing you have Erectile Dysfunction, too

[Yannae]

One asker triggers the struggle, but besides that all is good.

Some things have yet to be proven and the paranormal things I experienced myself... others can only take my word for it or think that I am lying. From entities to visions... what else is out there... I would like to know.

[OfDeath]

Not really. One is based on evidence and observing reality very closely with all the investigative tools available to us. The other is fantasy, myth and stretching the truth.

No recent scientific discoveries have been made using religion.

[OfDeath]

Ok, this is my response to @malarkey who has blocked me in a petulant attempt to get the last word in an argument which he has lost. Anyone reading this is free to tell him of my reply:

Argumentum ad hominem.

You are also obviously unable to understand the difference between noncomprehension and disagreement. Either that or you just haven’t realised that is what is going on. So I will make it a very clear statement so you might get it: I do not agree that certain bible verses which are an appeal to authority fallacy reconcile religion and science.

Do you understand now?

[Pohjolan]

I don't, grind the universe to the finest of dust and sieve it through the finest of sieves and show me one atom of christianity, one molecule of islam.

Religion is a man made construct like language, music, ethics, art.

The scientific method just is.

Religion is a matter for philosophers and priests, not scientists and engineers.

Equally priests shouldn't put their nose (or dick for that matter) where it doesn't belong.

[Anonymous]

I feel like people nowadays associate to non-religious views and support science fully because they don't see God's work of how has this world sustained existence with constant crops and life when we should have been extinct a long time ago, there's an invisible hand in this. For any who questions God, well I just have the video to prove otherwise, I don't put science above God.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/4QH7T5KfKkc

[molonski2]

No struggle
Science wins every time , to believe in a ludicrous concept of " a man in the sky " , it's just that , pure and utter fantasy.
When you are dead you are dead.

[AviatorTom]

Science and religion can co-exist, there's no definitive conflict. The Vatican, center of Roman Catholicism, has one of the best scientific studies and libraries in the world.

[WhitneySnow]

I assume that Genesis up to Abraham and the entire book of Revelations is like a metaphor. I believe everything else is real.

[RingOfFire]

No, the two can coexist. Science in fact IS a religion. It thinks it knows things and takes them as gospel when in fact it knows nothing more than any other religion.

[dragoblack]

It's believe vs studied reality. I'm a nature worshipping pagan and i believe in science, because it is the understanding of nature and reality, so they go hand-in-hand. When it comes to creationism, it will always oppose reality & science.

[slatyb]

I have no problem reconciling science and religion. Science is real. Religion is make-believe.

[FunkyMonkee]

Not at all! I trust science because it can be proven over and over again and I don't trust religion because it's all bullshit!!

[abc3643]

Not at all. As a STEM professional, I have no problems whatsoever.

[Nerdvana]

I wouldn't say struggle, but I do have questions for both science and religion. Both require faith to believe in. I actually believe both prove each other right.

[HusamRocks]

Try to cut ur skin layers and convince me humans made that themselves 👍🏻

[Anonymous]

nope and science can be manipulated and be contradictory

[Maverick009]

The science is refutable or flexible. It may be debunk. The religion doesn't. It's solid or rigid. Maybe interpration of it is able to change over time. Thus these contexts never are able to reconcile ever.

[exitseven]

There is some sort of God but his existence is based on a science that we do not yet understand.

[TonyMetal___86]

Which religion? Cause your photo depicts a jewish man...

[Dongie]

I don't think that's a Jew, Tony. He doesn't look it.

[slatyb]

@Dongie Joke? He's wearing a yarmulke and there is Hebrew writing on the board.

[Dongie]

But he doesn't look Jewish. He may be a convert, but he's not a Jew.

[genericname85]

no i don't. religion is fiction, science is reality. there's really no struggle there.

[LiamJHayden]

I really don't. Science measures the measurable, tests the testable. How everything started can be postulated but not truly investigated.

[SleepingHazard]

One does not rule out the other, but our understanding of it.

[shortster]

Nope. Science looks at the universe and asks how. Religion looks at the universe and asks why. These are not at odds with one another.

[FenixG45]

Never. Science is irrefutable.
The deeper Q is "Why does science do that?"

Einstein said, "He (God) does not play dice.”

[strateguy632]

Like the "science" of covid vax being safe. S. m. h.

[FenixG45]

That wasn't science. That was hokum!

[FenixG45]

Then the science proved it was crap!

[Cubus]

I don't. Science and religion do not contradict each other. The exist next to each other.

[Dongie]

It's nice to discover how God created all this. Very neat!

[jahaims]

One uses the scientific method and the other one is made up.

[SpaceGalaxy]

religion is man-made and many go for it to resolve their inner self issues, therefore, i only go for the questions of science.

[Anonymous]

I read about near death experiences. If they're believable n a # of peopl who've had them say the same I believe those.

[Understorm0x]

Science and religion are not mutually exclusive; there is only so much science can explain.

[Agape93]

They don't correlate, so I'll accept both

[In_Trance]

No struggles on my part

[beefcakebradybatson]

No, because my IQ is 160, not 80.

[kaucky1]

If believe in something so much comes real

[robocop666]

Religion is a pile of shite, nuff said

[NicholasRedone]

Science first 🔭🧪

[Anonymous]

Science isn’t even real.

[slatyb]

Science -- it works, bitches.

[Ladsin2]

Not anymore.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Not one bit.

[ABC1x1x]

And then God said "