What are your thoughts on Hell?

[BCRanger10]

What are your thoughts on Hell? What is your conception of it?

[Anonymous]

I’m not religious. But I’m spiritual.

What you know as the Matrix. Our physical bodies are in the Matrix. When you pass on, you exit the Matrix.

In my belief, for example:

If you were a disgusting PEDO—ILE, and you R—PE , little innocent kids. When you die you experience everything you put that person through. You will experience the last tear they shed. And you will be sent to Incarnate in a lower level of existence. A lower vibrational plane of existence. You will live a terrible life. A terrifying life. Practically a type of HELL.

However if you were a Saint throughout your life. All you did was help people. You were good to everyone. You were kind, and friendly and helpful with everyone and everything. Animals, Children, the Elderly. When you pass on. You will upgrade to a better plane of existence. You will incarnate in a better world. Because your Aura. Your Vibration will be heightened from all the good you put in this earth.

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This is why you see all those numbers repeatedly. You notice “777”. Over and over and over. For weeks. It means you’re being observed and watched.


The best way to explain Vibration, Frequency and Energy is by watching the shape of fruits, or the design on leaves or snowflakes. It’s how the creator or Source makes itself known.👇👇👇👇👇👇

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[Opinion Owner]

Basically if you f—ked up shT in life you reincarnate in a lower plane of existence.

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[DubiousIntentions]

Hell is not a place where you get to hang out with your buddies and eat snow cones. Hell was never meant for men but for Satan, his demons, and the antichrist and false prophet. In Revelation it says that whoever's name was not found in the Book of Life will be cast into the lake of fire.

The Lake of Fire is the final abode for all ungodly, both Satan, his angels (i. e., demons), and all unbelieving human beings. The first occupants of the Lake of Fire are the Antichrist and the false prophet, according to Revelation 19.

REV. 19:20 And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone.
After the 1,000-year Kingdom concludes, the Lord judges all unbelieving humanity before throwing all into the Lake of Fire:

REV. 20:11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them.
REV. 20:12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.
REV. 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds.
REV. 20:14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
REV. 20:15 And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
All who exist in the Lake of Fire (i. e., Satan, the demons and human beings) remain there conscience and in suffering for an eternity. This is the testimony of Scripture:

REV. 14:9 Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand,
REV. 14:10 he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
REV. 14:11 “And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”

[sean1234]

He'll was never meant for men, but as you said and for all unbelieving human beings... which of course includes Fake Christians.

[RyanEC]

I think it was a concept invention by your church to control people.
I told about my research into this topic.
I search what the different views are from different denominations about who goes to Heaven and hell.
Some Catholics (sedeventacists) believe their church is the only true church and everyone else goes to hell, some evangelical Protestants believe Catholics

go to hell for (their words) “worshiping Mary and idolatry.”

Some Pentecostals believe that you need to be able to speak in tongs to go to Heaven.

How are we to know who is correct objectively?

From what I understand the word Hell was never in the Bible originally, the word Gahenna was used by Jesus not hell, he may have been warning people about the near future at the time.

Gahenna is a garbage dump in Jerusalem where people were burned after the revolt in 70ad.

The word Hell comes from the name of a Norse pagan goddess.

This could be metaphor for the afterlife or it could be about a local event.

The Bible also says god will be “all in all” and “every knee will fall and every one will confess” and as I understand the Bible says “you can only truly confess if the Holy Spirit influences you.”

This is why I find universal salvation to make the most sense.

Do you believe only Catholics go to have or are you more in the Vatican II way of thinking?

As I understand Catholics are more willing then protesters to believe in a more inclusive Heaven.

[BCRanger10]

Thanks for your answer.

The first thing I'd ask is where do you get the idea that the Church "invented" Hell?

[RyanEC]

I say more of a mistranslation and misunderstanding.

But the church used it to control people through fear.

[BCRanger10]

What makes you say that?

[RyanEC]

This guy can explain better then me.

https://youtu.be/dDJ73TapWQU?si=Iz7s2ZzjO58lPEWX

[BCRanger10]

I'd be curious as to know what he's basing all this on as well.

[RyanEC]

Let’s just agree to disagree.

Who do you think goes to Heaven and hell?

I know in the past the Catholic Church said only Catholics go to Heaven but now it is more common to have a more inclusive view.

Catholics tend to have more inclusive views then Protestants.

[BCRanger10]

We've had good discussions before (I think so, at least), so believe me when I tell you that I don't mean to be a contentious jerk in saying that I've heard those "Hell is a state of mind" or "Hell is an allegory" types of arguments before and none of them are convincing.

Having established that, I have neither the competence nor the authority to decide who goes to Heaven and who goes to Hell.

[RyanEC]

I was just wondering what you think personally.

[BCRanger10]

My views are somewhere in between Saints Thomas Aquinas (believed in the "massa damnata", or the damned masses") and Francis de Sales, who allegedly wasn't so pessimistic, though I don't know what he actually said. I just heard it in a homily once by a priest of the Institute of Christ the King, which has Saint Francis de Sales as their patron saint.

[RyanEC]

I find “Saint” Thomas Aquinas to be an individual not worth veneration.

He said “the Saints in Heaven would delight to watch the torment in hell”
I don’t think that view has any compassion.

He also supported the killing of so called heretics.

[BCRanger10]

Do you know why he said that of the souls in Hell?

[RyanEC]

No, why?

[BCRanger10]

Because there is a reason for it. Though do you mind if I ask what your understanding of that statement is? And for the record, I wasn't super comfortable with it when I first heard it either.

[RyanEC]

As I understand It meant that those in Heaven would witness god’s judgment and accept the justification so much so that they are delighted.

[BCRanger10]

That's actually not too far off.

[RyanEC]

Quite frankly I find that view repugnant.

I see the good in everyone even if that good is hidden deep deep inside.

I realize the Bible says “The heart is wicked above all else” but if I am wicked for believing that then so be it.

I can’t imagine a fellow man deserves an eternal punishment, especially simply for believing in the wrong thing.

I must believe there is good in everyone the Catholics, Protestants, East orthodox, Muslims, Atheists and agnostics.

I am offended greatly when for example a fundamentalist evangelical says Catholics are “un saved” or when Catholics say “extra ecclesiam nulla salus” or outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation, or a Muslim Imam who claimed that even mother Theresa was in hell for not accepting Islam.

I am still searching and still open to believing but I simply can not see myself accepting the view that eternal punishment is just because it does not align with my being.

[BCRanger10]

So there are a few things to consider here.

First, yes, we should see the good in all people. And yes, even if it is well-hidden. Furthermore, we also ought to consider what someone experienced in life that made them into the person that they are.

Next, I did a quick search and I've only been able to find one reference in Jeremiah that says "the heart is wicked above all else". Even so, it's always important to consider the context and meaning behind what a given verse might say. This is one reason why the Catholic Church, which, for the record, compiled and defined the biblical canon (or in other words, "produced" the Bible) rejects "sola scriptura", the belief that the Bible is the only rule of faith.

And lastly, if you'll forgive my bluntness on this, the idea that a person is damned for "simply believing the wrong thing" is an oversimplification. The implication here is that the Church precedes God, which is not now, nor is it ever what the Catholic Church has believed.

[RyanEC]

For your first point I’m not sure if you are saying good people are good because for non selfless reasons so their goodness doesn’t count.
When a person does bad I assume there must be a reason for and if I lived their life I would be the same.

Their are interpretations of that passage that says that it means you can’t trust other peoples hearts because it it impossible to know if they are pretending to be something they are not.

Their are councils of the church that the council of Trent that declared that outside the Catholic Church there is no possibility of salvation for anyone.
This view is not popular among regular Catholics today as I understand but most Sedoventacists believe this.

People like this believe that.

https://youtu.be/pgYnvTe-c4M?si=sqypSwlm5ud27m_c

[BCRanger10]

I was more agreeing with you that seeing the good in a person is a good thing to do.

Regarding your last point, have you read the Council of Trent?

[RyanEC]

No I have not I just got second hand information.

[RyanEC]

I hope you understand I don’t hate or dislike Catholics because as I said I hate when Protestants show hatred towards you.

I simply find this infernalist interpretation of the afterlife repugnant and terrifying.

Imagining the implications of this my mind goes very deep.

I imagine that this is true that anyone who made it Heaven would have a person they loved going to hell.
How could it be true that “there will no longer be tears in Heaven” if this is true?

I imagine people I perceive as kind and good being tormented forever because they don’t fit a perfect mold.

Every defense of hell I found to be icy cold and misanthropic.

Even as a person who doesn’t believe in it I find it terrifying to contemplate, so I can’t imagine believing in it and worrying not only for yourself but all your loved ones.

I imagine you and almost any person who believes it must have moments where you deeply question it.

[BCRanger10]

Hi, please forgive the delay. Had a lot going on these last few days.

In the conversations you and I have had, I've never once had the impression that you hate Catholics. I appreciate your ability and willingness to discuss things like this!

Remind me, you're deist, correct?

[RyanEC]

I also appreciate your willingness to listen to my point of view.

I just wanted to make that clear that I don’t dislike Catholics since some people take these disagreements to an extreme hatred.

And yes I consider myself a Deist at the moment.
However understand there are different versions of Deism.

Most Deists believe that God created the universe and then left it its own motion without caring about his creation or leaving revelation.
I don’t believe this I believe God does care about his creation and that he may have left revelation to us but I think man corrupts that revelation.

[BCRanger10]

So wouldn't it be reasonable then that if God left a revelation that those who would violate it in one way or another be punished for it?

[RyanEC]

Yes but not eternally.

Punishment is usually for correcting the person who is being punished.

If punishment is eternal then there is no point of the punishment.

[RyanEC]

I sent you a Direct message with a link to a video about this topic from a universalist Catholic if you are interested.

[BCRanger10]

I saw. Thanks. I'll check it out sometime.

Maybe "punishment" isn't the best word, but that's a different discussion.

My point is this (this will play back to my answer on another of your questions from some time ago). If God cares about His creation as you say He does, then that implies a higher intellect, will, knowledge, and authority than that of humans; Blessed Columba Marmion argued God as having a perfect self-knowledge (it's in his book Christ, the Life of the Soul). If that is true, and if God made a revelation of Himself - as you also said, and I agree - then we can reasonably conclude that God not only prefers, but rightly commands certain ways of thinking, speaking, and acting.

Now in light of all that, if God has all those attributes, it also follows then that He has at the very least a higher and greater existence than we do (as a Catholic, I say eternal). If God is eternal, then so is His authority, and ultimately then one's reward for their good or evil on Earth.

I'm sure there's more I could say on that, but I don't want to go on too long with it. I want to give you something to consider and an opportunity to respond.

[genericname85]

hell is an imaginary place made up to fool gullible people into following religious cults. to me, when i use the word "hell" it means a state of mind that you get as a consequence of poor life decisions. basically similar to depression except depression can be something you get without being responsible yourself.

[jennifer_bloom]

To understand hell, ask yourself if a righteous God would let Hitler in heaven?

To understand heaven, if God would send a two year old rape victim to hell?

But I believe to go to heaven you have to be both modest and humble and do more then the bare minimum. Assuming you live all your years and don't die before your time.

[A_Bell]

Hell doesn't exist. Neither does heaven. When we die, our existence fades into nothingness, save for the influence we have on survivors.

Frankly, even our day to day persistance is an illusion of memory and the mechanics of our brain. Take away our memory, and we are no longer who we were. Add new memories and we are a different person. Change just the mechanics of the brain and we have a new personality but think we are the same person.

This might seem depressing to some, but it just means make the best of every moment. You are by definition part of something much bigger than yourself, as you are just an instant in time of an infinite collection of your consciousness.

[crystalline0909]

Hell is everything that makes you suffer in your human life on this earth. From physical, economical to emotional pain.

Attachment is the source of living hell.

Every nice thing to eat but couldn't because of physical ailments is hell.

Seeing your loved one suffer aches you but can't do anything to help is hell.

Loving someone unconditionally inspite of every bad thing they have ever done to you, ieven if they don't love you... is hell.

Hell is mental. Shift in perception changes the realm of you experience.

[Anonymous]

In 1688 Emanuel Swedenborg was born. At or in his 50s he used psychic powers to talk to soul guides. Six things he talked about are what people who've had current near death experiences have said. A seventh and eight is about heaven and hell.

Emanuel said you're drawn to either. God doesn't send. According to Emanuel and near death experiences there is hell. One or two near deaths have talked about hell fire. Demons in one or more. Suicides r in a depressing place with their own bad feelings.

[Grond21]

Pure mental and physical torture, nothing but pride and self loathing. The doors locked from the inside

[BCRanger10]

I never really cared for Lewis' "locked from the inside" imagery.

[Grond21]

I always thought it was very appropriate. It truly highlights the nature of hell.

[sean1234]

Protestants believe catholics😆.

I find that kind of funny because the Protestant reformation was the direct opposition in every way to the catholic church. To be a Protestant was to protest against the catholic church and in many MANY cases, being murdered/executed in the process.

[sean1234]

What? ? ! I was responding to
@RyanEC 's comment

[RyanEC]

Which post were you responding to.

[sean1234]

The first paragraph...
Some Catholics (sedeventacists) believe their church is the only true church and everyone else goes to hell, some evangelical Protestants believe Catholics...

[RyanEC]

My point was these fundamentalists are very similar.

They need to dehumanize them to legitimize their own church.

[sean1234]

Satan doesn't care what lie he has to say to bring them out of the truth.

Pentecostal? They don't even know what speaking in tongues is. It's nothing more than me being a preacher and going to China and speaking English while they hear mandarin from my mouth.

The truth is the truth. It's like a group of math students believing 2+2=22 and that beliefs spreads with no proof or study of math. Whether or not math is real the fundamental basis for numbers is still what it is.

[RyanEC]

So what do you believe.

[sean1234]

The Bible talks about death and hell, as if it's the same exact thing. Not really relating hell to fire.

[RyanEC]

Are you an annihilation?

What denomination are you?

[sean1234]

I wanted to know what the truth is prayed for it and led me to 7th Day Aventism. Started watching Genesis Conflict with Walter Veith on youtube.

[RyanEC]

I see.
I just looked up a little about the denomination.

How do you feel about Catholics?
Do you consider them Christian or are you one of the Protestants who thinks they are not really Christians?

[Simslover92]

If its anything like this then I definitely want no parts of it. Of course I imagine actual hell to be a thousand times worse but somedays I feel like I'm already there with the way the world is today and at my job feels like I'm in a prison cell.

[Jersey2]

I think hell is knowing the pain you caused others. For example, I think killing someone is killing them and all those they would have had as children. In essence you see the people who never lived because you killed their ancestor, you see the lives they would have touched and their offspring and good works that will never happen.

[LiamJHayden]

As much as I dislike the concept, it does make sense if Jesus is who he is claimed to be in the New Testament. In essence, we have Cosmic Treason against an Infinite Creator, coupled with the refusal to be forgiven via an infinite sacrifice. Logically, an infinite punishment could be justified under those circumstances.

[douride2]

Sometimes I think hell is right here on Earth.

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

That’s exactly what I was going to reply but you beat me to it lol

[butterly248]

I feel like this also

[prakhindev92]

How do you know what is gonna happen when you die , love the people who loves you , hurt the people who hurt you the same way , that they understood what they did to you so that they dont do that to anybody else , god has other better things to do , take care of yourself , it is not completely upto god

[Anemone978]

I think it is even more horrible than I could even imagine.. I am scared of hell but I am pretty sure that is were I am headed.. so not much I can do about it..

[BCRanger10]

What makes you think so?

[sage2021]

This is too hard of a question to answer because my boyfriend died a few weeks ago and he wasn't exactly a great person. He did become a Christian a few years ago, but I don't know if that still counts or not. 🤷🏼‍♀️

[normalice]

I like to say hell is a place you can leave at any time by simply admitting from the depths of your soul that you were wrong. But the sort of people sent there in the first place are the sort of people who will be there forever..

[laurieluvsit]

I think I would like to look in upon it just to see the murders, rapists and those who abuse children burning.

[12345druidia]

There are multiple kinds of Hell. You have the underworld run by Hades in Greek mythology. In Norse mythology there is a goddess of death named Hell. But then you do have Hell in Christianity. Honestly all of these are cool to study for similarities and differences

[jimmy2]

It's real but not forever. The Bible says Hell is deliver up the the Throne of Grace to be judged then God days I don't know you do he throw them in the Lake of Fire
I do not know for sure on the Lake of Fire if it's wow gone right after or is live forever

[Anonymous]

thanks for the bible study dubious.
nevertheless hell is a horrible place for those unchosen by jesus.
Such as me and probably most of you.
Good news though i suspect the lake of fire is extinguishment ( if thats a word) of our souls.
Ceasing to exist in this world or the next,
Which is my idea of heaven.
Like a switch being flipped.
What kind of weirdo wants eternal life?
even if it was spent in a park playing cricket every day itd soon pall

[bolverk]

At the moment hell would be like New York or the California cities, the last time I visited them many moon ago they were clean, tidy and worth the visit, now they are damn close to being hell on earth.

[SixFootSexy]

Hell is a separation from God, and the embracing of deception and darkness.

[FunkyMonkee]

We're living through it, right now! How do you like it?

[butterly248]

I don't like it 😕

[FunkyMonkee]

@butterly248 Neither do I!

[Mac-One]

I have heard hell defined as a separation from God. Those who reject God will be doomed to go to hell. Other than that, I do not know for all others.

[Nikki1989]

Some people need a fantasy world to believe in. I don't know why.

[exitseven]

I love the hot weather so when I get there I should feel right at home.

[legalboxers]

aren't we there now?

[BCRanger10]

I was going to include a homily by Saint Robert Bellarmine called Hell and Its Torments, in which he addresses that exact question. I decided not to. I just had a feeling that this question would get removed as "offensive". At any rate, he says "no".

[legalboxers]

@BCRanger10 scripture? offensive? wow

[butterly248]

Yeah we are already here

[front2back]

Obviously would not want to be there, but I fear not living my life in a way God intended me to do so more than Hell itself, and I know I'm not on the right path.

[Marklaw12]

Forever damnation.

You don't want to go to hell, it's a terrible thing.

I pray everytime that I inherit the kingdom of God.

[havingfun2023]

Hopefully my Hell is better than other people's, I think to myself 😁😁😁😁👌🏻

[OlderAndWiser]

Gotta have some place for the Prince of Darkness to hang out.

[DryGermanGuy]

“Hell is other people.”

- Jean-Paul Sartre

[Static_In_The_Attic]

I hear the weather is nice & hot this time of the year.

[BigDog1989]

jews, like myself, believe there's no such thing as a literal hell. we believe in a certain type of hell, but we don't believe that you go to a burning place if you're a bad person

[WhitneySnow]

An emptiness with no trace of God or light or love

[Agape93]

This is hell.
But it's just a concept some people fear going.

[Sabretooth]

It's nonsense and anyone who has any understanding of Bible teachings would know that it can't be true. The same with the Trinity.

[BCRanger10]

What makes you say so?

[Sabretooth]

what is the relationship between God and Satan--according to the Bible?

[BCRanger10]

Adversarial. That is, after all, what "Satan" means.

[Sabretooth]

And who supposedly rules Hell?

[BCRanger10]

I'm not really aware of anyone "ruling" Hell. What are you getting at?

[Sabretooth]

Satan supposedly rules Hell. that would suggest that they are not enemies but partners. so, are they enemies? or, are they partners? it can't be both.

[BCRanger10]

That's actually not correct. Satan doesn't "rule" Hell. If that were the case, then God would have effectively given Satan a promotion. The reality is that Satan lies beneath Hell. He is the lowest, most tortured, and most miserable occupant of Hell.

[Sabretooth]

that is the most common belief.

[BCRanger10]

That Satan rules Hell? I'm sure it is. I used to believe it myself. But that doesn't mean it's correct.

[Sabretooth]

but, do you see the conflict?

[BCRanger10]

The conflict in what?

[Sabretooth]

Between the teachings of Hell and what that suggests about the relationship between God and Satan and what the Bible teaches about their relationship.

[BCRanger10]

I'm not sure that there is a conflict.

[Sabretooth]

it can't be both. you can't condemn someone and yet, still work with them while proclaiming a high sense of morality--certainly not God and certainly not with such high stakes.

[BCRanger10]

Well again, that's assuming that their relationship is one of a business partnership, which they are not.

[Sabretooth]

That would be the implication of the theory involving Hell. But, I agree.

[BCRanger10]

That's the first I've ever heard of that theory. I mean, there are times when their relationship seems akin to Professor X and Magneto in the first X-Men movie (I get that sense from the book of Job), but there's still not much I've seen that would suggest a partnership.

[Sabretooth]

that's what the existence of Hell would indicate. God DID favor him at one time

[BCRanger10]

"Did" is the key word there. Though I don't known if "favor" is correct.

[Sabretooth]

www.jw.org/.../#v26028014

[Unit1]

Been there and I escaped from it. It costed me a huge piece of myself and all my youth.

[OddBeMe]

Seems horribly cruel for a god to punish his humans with eternal damnation if he had the power to correct their behaviors.

[collie22]

One would go up in smoke and no longer exist.

[Anonymous]

Absence of God. Even on this plane of existence we still have God. I can't imagine an existence more torturous than that.

[Anonymous]

All I can say like it or not Hell definitely exists

[butterly248]

I sometimes think we r already here

[butterly248]

Just look at the world

[SaoirseS]

Fort Leonard Wood, MO, in the Summer. That’s hell.

[Hellraiser1984]

I can't wait to see it!

[Still-alive]

It's my kingdom essentially

[Anonymous]

Seems like not a nice place.

[Jmmmfi4]

I'LL HAPPILY GIVE A WAY MY TICKET

[Bitterness]

A myth.

[Anonymous]

Hot 🥵

[Anonymous]

Doesn’t exist

[BCRanger10]

Why not?