Why does religion see gay people as equivalent evil as like a murder?

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I know at least for Christians the Bible talks about how a man shouldn't lie with another man. The hate, the judgment, the lack of understanding or even seeking to understand. It isn't something that can be switched on or off in that way. Being gay kinda always feels like it was there, I was never really attracted to women at all my whole life and only ever being attracted to men. I felt it was wrong and tried to shove it away my whole life cause I was Christian. Recently I finally felt comfortable enough to come out cause I can't force myself to be with a woman if I never feel attracted to her or anything. It's wrong to do that. I'm still Christian and trying to live with the fact I'm gay, honestly to me it's better than nothing cause this world is kinda screwed and there's nothing to hope for in the world. I just never understood the hate to them, their people too. Sometimes it can be life events that might have turned some people gay, either it be trama or just natural. I've thought many times if my trama as a child played a big role in me being gay. Probably did but I can't change that. I can't be straight. Either I'm gay, or I'm gay and just never be in a relationship and suppress myself my whole life. (Which can only lead to more issues)

NamerOfStars · Accepted Answer

I'd argue that that same part of the Bible which says a man shouldn't lie with another man as he would with a woman also says polyester should carry the death penalty, as should crop rotation, but THOSE never get criticized- on religious grounds, at least; I'm sure the fashion police say otherwise. And, indeed, that the New Testament says that- well, I'm not here to argue scripture.

Ultimately, the reason isn't religion, it's social conservativsm, and that's the case regardless of religion. Basically every surviving human society is set up to protect and provide for women, who're the reproductive bottleneck. That sociopolitical mindset is centered around the notion that men should struggle and sacrifice for the sake of their children (which makes sense) and for women as the source of children, even if they're not connected to the man (which doesn't, beyond immediate evolutionary concerns). This is why we have the White Feather campaign and pretty much all of modern Feminism (on women's side, it's why we have slut-shaming and derision for being childless, since those women aren't fulfilling their designated role, either).

Homosexuality short-circuits that; you're operating outside the standing order. You're not giving society children, and you're not giving women the same level of veneration, handed to them for reasons outside of their control. This is also why no society in human history has ever punished female homosexuality more harshly than male (sometimes it's equal, but usually more mildly). You even have the modern attitude of "it doesn't matter if it's with another woman", which has SOME basis in biology, since you're obviously not going to get a pregnancy from that, but imagine how you'd feel if you were a committed husband whose wife was cheating on him with another woman, or a loving woman forced apart from your female paramour, and your objections were rebuffed with "it doesn't matter; it's just another woman". Wanton disregard for feelings, bonds, and the sacredness of love. Bleh.

This is why God gave us Fred Rogers. More importantly, this is why Fred Rogers gave us Fred Rogers. See, I disagree with your assertion that there's nothing to be hoped for from this world. Yes, it's a place of needless suffering and miserable evil. But from a Christian viewpoint, that's exactly the kind of place that needs love and compassion. We can't stop all the pain, or avert all the evil, but we CAN make a difference. Mister Rogers showed us that.

lightbulb27 · Accepted Answer

I understand God sees all sin as equivalent. It's sort of... it is or it isn't.

I think the issue is more that the persons are sinning against themselves... defiling their own bodies.

People will do all sorts of awful things to themselves and others and justify it. These are, generally speaking, emotional issues, self image issues. I'm not talking only about gender/sex, think broadly.

I said a long time ago what your issue is but I'm not sure you see it, because that's how wounds work... they sort of define your image. You were abused and it made an emotional impression... trauma. Seek help for that so you can get your life back on track.

There are girls out here occasionally that talk the same way you do, about what they need. You are young still, not fully developed and you have some emotional trauma that is guiding you down this path. Find people that recovered from this stuff, and seek help... is my opinion.

It's your life. I'm only speaking as one that had issues, not gay, but bad all the same. Trauma is trauma...

laly520 · Accepted Answer

According to a systematic and teleological, but still traditional, interpretation of the biblical texts, it all comes down basically to one fundamental assumption: that men and women were made to complement each other in the big plan of forming a stable family, reproducing and raising children who will maintain this foremost aim, the natural multiplication of the species.

Therefore, sex is a means to an end, and it is “consecrated” by that high purpose of guaranteeing a succession of the people's lineages in a smooth, “civilized” way.

Well, I can even understand why an ancient tribal people constantly on the brink of extinction and totally subject to the odds of a cruel Nature could've come to that conclusion.

Modern homophobes will probably not admit that, though, and they will go on talking about how unnatural and unethical homossexuality is, while they keep on masturbating, using contraceptive methods, having sex before marriage and making sexual acts that do not predispose to reproduction, all those attitudes that just like homossexuality are decried as punishable sins in the Bible.

They probably do not want to see it, because it is comforting for them to believe everything is “biblically fine” for them because they are straight… but that is the only common note among all those proscribed sinful acts: they do not contribute to population maintenance and growth and do not have a potential to end up with a lawful child being raised respectably by mommy and daddy. With these acts humans dare to make sex only for personal pleasure and physical affection.

That is in my opinion the real core of the issue the authors of the Bible originally has against homossexuality.

The problem is that most homophobes DO NOT consider homossexuality a sin just because of religious considerations. They do so because of ingrained prejudices and a profound and self-centered desire to control the behavior and beliefs of everyone in society to become a mirror image of their own values and preferences. They often also need a scapegoat for some frustrations they have at observing how society is full of evils and disorder. They usually want some sense of homogeneity, conformity.

And people who do not live by the usual standards that organize and perpetuate the basic institution of a society (family) must seem like the perfect scapegoat and the worst threat to their cherished notion of order. It is more about a certain moral collectivism/tribalism than about religion

strateguy632 · Answer

because... religion said gay people NOT equivalent evil as murder. what it did say, if i quote will get censored so look for yourself in book romans chapter 1, 27-28.

what you call "hate, the judgment, the lack of understanding" we are taught OOPOSITE to "hate sin but not the sinner" jesus loved the sinner... not hated.

that does not mean agree they can continue to sin! still no hate. your false accusation is called a strawman liberals invented. no judgement only god is the judge but we do believe the BOOK judged them.
we UNDERSTAND people are tempted to sin... no "lack if understanding" but the same as i can't cheat on my girl friend they also have rules they must follow.

ProbablyClueless · Answer

Well... the short answer is that most of human history was an intense, grinding, punishing struggle for survival. If you wanted your genetics to live on, you have to have children. For most of human history, you needed to have a man and woman to have children. Religions want their beliefs to survive, so they need children to continue the belief system. Homosexual couples weren't able to produce kids, so the tribal people had little use for them, because they were consuming resources that could have been used by reproductively viable people (which is a lot like murder, when times get tough).

You have been fortunate enough to live in an extraordinarily gentle and prosperous time and place in human history (really, the last 50 years in the Western World); religions like Christianity, Islam and Buddhism were not created in this time or place.

incorrected · Answer

They can't even admit that omniscience means that all good and evil is from their God by choice, and that unless there was no other way to do things (in which case their God isn't all powerful, but subject to limitation) then their creator is ultimately responsible and morally culpable for all the evil. This God of theirs, sat down and thought about it, and then decided that dogs and cats should clean their assholes with their tongues... ~85% of people are stupid.

aceleon · Answer

because key reason of life is reproducing but homosexual sex is unfruithfull and as more people goes homo the population decreases in a way that is some kind of murder too, religion looks at woman having another guy and the man letting it (in short cuck) as equal to murder too.

FunkyMonkee · Answer

Because their precious little god they've brainwashed themselves with supposedly told them in a dusty old book that being gay is a huge sin!! He also said eating shrimp is a sin but nobody seems to give a fuck about that one. Apparently, greed and severely fucking over your own family isn't a sin, either.

Astarlessnightsky · Answer

The bible doesn't talk about homosexuality, as the concept of sexualities didn't exist back than.

Most of whats pulled from the bible in regards of homosexuality is just misunderstanding, false interpretation or deliberate spreading of lies.

https://youtube. com/@maklelan? si=rxe_nbJsm_gXiqd_

Prof. Dan Maklelan explains this in detail.

normalice · Answer

Because the people who wrote the Bible didn't want the girls in their community thinking they might be gay, in case those girls every wanted to randomly bang someone.

Berethor · Answer

Well a gayness is a birth defect, but yea religions see gay acts as an evil things.

Anonymous · Answer

"Religions" are variable and can have values that are both right and wrong. The faith of Christianity sees the sexual behavior of homosexuality to be wrong, as well as abortion. Christians are taught by the Bible to LOVE those who are homosexuals and baby killers, and to HATE the actual ACTS of those two things.

jshm2 · Answer

The same reason a gardener see's all weeds as problems that need to be destroyed and removed - even though they are plants.

Just because you are, doesn't mean everyone must respect that, or be happy where you are.

This is why humans have survived for centuries. But will likely not last the next couple of centuries as we've allowed all sorts of weeds to grow unchecked.

Hispanic-Cool-Guy · Answer

It's deeply disgusting and against nature.  A man isn't suppose to be putting his penis inside another man or do anything sexual with a man. God created and gave man a woman for a reason.

OfDeath · Answer

There is not a clear answer to that. A variety of issues factor in to why certain religions are intolerant of homosexuality.

The answer lies somewhere in the history of the civilisations which inspired those religious scriptures.

Sevenpointfive · Answer

a lot of the gay people i've talked to aren't attracted to gay people. they are attracted to straight people and that's a problem.

Zestyassmf1997 · Answer

Because ‘the rules’ dictate that sex and marriage are for procreation.

FenixG45 · Answer

Why do gay people see religion as equivalent evil as murder? Cuz it  IS!

OddBeMe · Answer

They need someone to hate. An inner evil and outside evil (satan). Thats a cult.

HARRYSPUTTER · Answer

OHHH, FAR WORSE... KIDDING

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