Is God imaginary? If God is imaginary, how did the world get created?

[Anonymous]

[SotiCoto]

These aren't the questions you need to be asking.

Firstly, there is no point even asking if "God" anything if you don't strictly and clearly define what this "God" of yours is. If it isn't clearly defined then the question of its existence is utterly meaningless. Similarly if its definition is pointlessly vague or contradictory then again, the question of its existence is meaningless.
I could as easily ask you if FLORB exists... but if you don't know what FLORB is then you can't answer and aren't obligated to answer.

Secondly the world formed from the solar nebula left behind from the formation of the sun, and they happened through largely the same process: lots of raw elements floating in space, spinning around each other, collapsing under their own collective gravity and clumping together. In our case into a small, rocky planet. Then a few billion years of chemical stewing... to put it very roughly.
And honestly, it isn't like your "God" approach explains any of it. You just add an extra step to not knowing.

[strateguy632]

the word "god" is defined in dictionary same as any other word.
you say the world world formed from the solar nebula but who made that sun. world can mean universe. who made universe n stars?

[ChinaGrove]

@strateguy632

He's a moron

[SotiCoto]

@strateguy632 : Not in any meaningful nor helpful way it isn't. There is no definition of it that isn't circular or simply non-sequitur. And you're asking questions that make no sense because the word "who" doesn't apply to the formation of planets, stars, galaxies nor the universe. You could literally just step outside and see hundreds or thousands of things that had no "who" involved with them at all. No conscious input whatsoever.

[slatyb]

The first incorrect assumption is that the world was created. It was formed along with the rest of the solar system as matter collected due to gravity.

Similarly, there's no evidence the universe was created. There is evidence it is a result of expansion some billions of years ago. Anyway, "God" is a non-answer that leads to the obvious question "How was God created?" And even if there is a God, there's no evidence supporting any religious practice. Prayer doesn't work. Misfortune falls on the religious and skeptical alike.

So we don't know if there is a God, and I don't think there is any way to find out. There's no evidence so I just ignore the question as meaningless.

[ChinaGrove]

Like you know. LOL

[slatyb]

@ChinaGrove I didn't claim to know. I don't know. Neither does anyone else, and I don't believe we can ever know. As defined, God is unobservable, so how could we find out?

[4ngelic]

i mean this is up to you to decide if you want to believe or not. anyways we're here today because of the big bang, which then over billions of years resulted in the formation of our planet (multiple asteroids colliding with each other over billions of years), which then ended up become hospitable to life. life emerged in water, it was a molecular reaction. this primitive life form evolved to copy itself. and basically evolution happened from there on, all the way from those first microscopic living molecules all the way to humans. now it's up to you if you want to think that's intelligent design or just science

[strateguy632]

assuming a big bang happened, who caused it if not god.
nice of you be lengthy AFTER big bang but that big bang singularity mystery is blinder faith than most religions.

[Danzigdawson]

God is imaginary. We'll probably never know what created the universe. There may not even be something at the source of the universe. That's why people need god: to explain what is without clear answer or what doesn't make sense.

If god exists, why would he even bother to create things like the massively huge, boundless universe we live in, the billions of galaxies and planets... why would he lose us in the middle of it all as an insignificant grain of sand amongst billions of others?

[strateguy632]

why can't we know? same as any academic research read relevant books

[strateguy632]

your question why , was answered around 700 b. c. but i will elaborate @Danzigdawson why make many stars galaxies, so we have a pretty sky at night, not only a moon.
about a grain of sand, that is only relatively to space galaxy etc. but for humans it is neither lost nor tiny nor insignificant nor grain of sand. for us each city is big.

[strateguy632]

isaia 40, 26, 700 b. c.
Lift up your eyes and look to the sky (night) Who created all these? He who brings out the stars one by one and calls forth each of them by name. Because of his great power and mighty strength, not one of them is missing

[HawkPerception]

Some concepts are out of human comprehension. We should not focus so much on understanding something that is incomprehensible.

All I know is that religion is made up nonsense and different depending on where you grow up. Humans have the tendency to make up gods out of their lack of understanding of things. And humans also create religions out of their fear of death. That is why there's concepts like heaven and hell, reincarnation, Valhalla, and tons more.

We know that the universe and world we live in was created from an explosion of gases, but we can't explain where the gases came from. Maybe they always existed. Maybe time has always existed and we can't comprehend that it doesn't have a start or an end.

[NamerOfStars]

1. Probably not. 2. By a series of natural processes; get enough loose matter together, and eventually it'll aggregate together into a mass dense enough to start a fusion reaction, and eventually you have stars. Repeat the first step, and you'll get planets. Continue on until universe. Remember that there's no evidence of nothingness being the default state; seeing matter and wondering where the matter came from is no less natural than seeing empty space and wondering where the matter went.

[genericname85]

God is imaginary and the world wasn't "created" by someone. so by assuming the world was "created", you are already making a presupposition in hopes that you can insert your god idea into there. but the thing is: even if we didn't know that the world wasn't created and if we didn't know that it came about by natural processes, even then it would not be rational to just assume it was god. because lack of evidence for one thing is not evidence for a thing hat you made up.

in order for your god idea to make sense, you'd need evidence that is positively indicative of and exclusively concodordant with what you're trying to explain with your god idea. and that has just never been the case for anything witht he god idea, which is why it's correct to say that God doesn't evidently exist.

[genericname85]

note: the fact that something feels right in your mind doesn't mean it is objectively right.

[ChinaGrove]

You don't know. Admit it.

[genericname85]

@ChinaGrove yes i do in fact "know" that god does not evidently exist. because the same thing said in slightly different words: untill evicence is provided, he does in fact exist, there is no evidence for gods existence, hence god doesn't evidently exist.

and remember what i said. you need evidence that is positively indicative of and exclusively concodordant with what you're trying to explain with your god idea. so you can't make arguments like "i don't know why i have to take a shit, therefore god exists". that's not evicence. and just in case you didn't connect these dots: saying you can not explain how the world came about does not mean the existence of god is true.

you should admit that you just replace the words "i do not know" with "there must be a god who somehow did the thing i'm trying to explain. and i hope you realize neither of these statements make us any wiser.

[genericname85]

"untill evicence is provided, he does not in fact exist"

[ChinaGrove]

I don't know, and neither do you.

[genericname85]

@ChinaGrove read my words carefully: god does not EVIDENTLY exist. i do know that. everyone does. you too. because there's no evidence.

[genericname85]

@ChinaGrove i didn't say "god doesn't exist". i said "god doesn't evidently exist". the first thing you can not know. the second one you for 100% sure can know.

[ChinaGrove]

Bumble bees can't fly.

[ChinaGrove]

"God is imaginary "

I don't know,.

[genericname85]

@ChinaGrove come over. let's go out into nature and see if your claim is true. see the problem? you just saying a thing doesn't make it true. it has to be concordant with the world as we can observe it. and the claim that "bumble bees can't fly" is in fact not concordant with the world as we can observe it. because we can observe bumble bees flying. so that's exactly how we know that bumble bees in fact do evidently fly.

[genericname85]

@ChinaGrove well you can imagine god. so can i, so god being imaginary is a thing that evidence exists for. however that's no argument for god being real tho.

[ChinaGrove]

There is no God You win,

[genericname85]

@ChinaGrove i didn't say there is no god. jeez. i said there is not evidently a god.

[Anonymous]

Philosophically, God is the essence of reality and the universe itself. They are both the manifestation and arbiter of fate, whom which you can plead to; earnest pleas to the manifestation of fate, outside of greed and spite, can provide a stabilizing effect on one's own mind, and help you reach your goals and weather difficult periods in your life.

This is true irrespective of your religion or scientific belief. Faith is a motivator, a stabilizer, and a comfort. God is infallible, meaning; we cannot truly know them.

One can ask why the laws of physics are the way they are, why time flows as it does, why existence is a state at all. Reality simply is, and Reality is God.

[normalice]

There are explanations by people who studied the possibilities. But that's less important than remembering that the absence of an explanation does not mean the explanation is a god. Apply the same scrutiny and demand for evidence to the explanation that God did it as you do to the others and you'll find it was never a serious explanation.

[DaBiggestBird]

Wrong, he invented imagination and he did create the world. It’s so f*cking stupid how some reject can waste their life away in college for half a decade and they end up being one of the dumb motherf*clerks who claim the universe EXPLODED itself into existence. At what f*cking point in history has an explosion ever created something and not destroy everything around it like they always do? It’s fascinating how some people can be dumber than a monkey’s sh*t.

[MrDaveAPSI]

If you believe in god, you likely believe in "creationism"
If you don't believe in god, you likely believe in the big bang theory
I'm an agnostic jew. I identify as a jew, but i question the existence of god
I like to believe that both are true, in that god CREATED the big bang. Best of both worlds, makes both happy

But, i know that's probably not what people want to hear, right?

[OddBeMe]

(Cracks knuckles)
1) most likely given the 999 other conjured gods.
2) “created” is a fallacy of equivocation and hasty generalization. We don’t know there is a creator.
3) why decide now? I don’t know is perfectly fine answer for whether god exists.

[ChinaGrove]

And you are clueless. Admit it.

[OddBeMe]

@ChinaGrove no, I wait for evidence. If you think there are clues enough to make a decision on god, please share.

[strateguy632]

1, no, god is real, 2, no problem god somehow made everything.

3, as you see here some of those who deny god, deny science too, hhere. believe differently.

[BetaBucks]

No one knows. Just like no one knows if the big bang happened. We all just believe in nothing, or we believe in something because of our faith in some text claiming to have the answer.

[Redstang88]

As far as we know yes, and I’m not certain. There’s different theories that people far smarter than me have spent vast time and resources exploring, but we car say for sure yet
But to say “because god” and stop looking is just lazy

[AviatorTom]

How do you now the world was created? Maybe it just always existed.

[strateguy632]

that is not an option. science , like religion, claims an age birthday of the world, this
caused the problem who started the birth.

[AviatorTom]

@strateguy632 Science also says that whatever existed at the instant of the Big Bang must have existed before the Big Bang, You don't necessarily have to have a starting (birth) point

[strateguy632]

that isn't science, science gave an age.

[strateguy632]

come to think of it protons have size... your suggestion is impossible. but nothing personal.

[SotiCoto]

@strateguy632 : Nah. He is right. You're applying assumptions to existence that you have no means of verifying. The concept of a "beginning" is a fundamentally flawed one from the outset as it has only ever been correctly applied to pure abstractions.

[jahaims]

Just because you don't know how something came to be doesn't mean something divine is behind it lol. A lot of things were attributed to gods prior to having a better understanding of the world.

[strateguy632]

actually that is a "logical necessity" of a cause, as even descartes the extreme doubter explained.

[strateguy632]

he doubted if he n anybody really existed real, but as certain as "3, 5, 7, are odd numbers, god must be real". from the one who is opposite of naive descartes.

[Astarlessnightsky]

Yes, imaginary.

Lots of complicated physic stuff.

[LiamJHayden]

To me, a self-existent God represents the best explanation for the complexity of everything, and actually for the existence of anything.

[SotiCoto]

It isn't an explanation at all though. It is an excuse. And it raises more questions than it could ever answer.

[DarkLegacy]

Have you read about the Big Bang Theory and not on about the TV show. I have heard it is a good read

[ChinaGrove]

That explains it. lol

[Juxtapose]

Then what would have created that creator?

Eventually something has had to have existed forever. Why not matter?

[ChinaGrove]

I took a philosophy class. The teacher challenged us to imagine something you've never seen. It can't be done. Humans are limited in that way.

[SotiCoto]

@ChinaGrove : Just because you're too brain-damaged to imagine Oxygen doesn't mean everyone else is. You're like an angry kid in a wheelchair claiming walking can't exist because you can't do it.

[ChinaGrove]

@SotiCoto

The teacher said it, moron

[SotiCoto]

@ChinaGrove : The low-effort troll is calling me moron. Alas, you lack the capacity to judge such things.

[Anonymous]

God is just a word. You need to determine what the word means to you and what your relationship to it is.

[exitseven]

This is why it is called faith

[ChinaGrove]

People should spend an hour in nature. The crocus flowers come up first. Then come the daffodils. And then come the Tulips. Who decided this? Who made the rules? Why are the flowers following the rules? Physicists say the bumble bees can't fly. Why don't the bumble bees know that? I have the faith that this shitty existence is but a prelude for something better. Nothing else makes sense.

[exitseven]

@ChinaGrove I witnessed the birth of all my kids The odds are so stacked against being able to reproduce. So many things can go wrong and a lot of things must go right and yet so many people seem to pull off this miracle every day

[ChinaGrove]

Do you remember Bill O'Reilly? He said the sun comes up and the sun goes down. The tide goes in and the tide goes out. He never claimed there was a God. He, like me, just claimed to not know.
When I was young, I worked at a department store. I met a botanist. I told him I wanted to grow an avocado tree, but wasn’t having any luck. He told me I had to take a knife and cut off the bottom third of the seed. (the pointy end)

I asked him why. He said the pointy end housed the growth inhibitors. What? It’s just a seed! How does a seed have any intelligence? How does it know what to do?

In 6 hours we’ll be watching the dumbest person on the planet, debating Trump. In the immortal words of Kenny Rogers: “The best that you can hope for is to die in your sleep.”

[slatyb]

@ChinaGrove Physicists have never said "The bumble bee can't fly". We know very well how bumble bees and other insects are able to fly.

[Kelly6]

God is mostly related to Time.

[Dongie]

NO. .

[BarryLiverstone]

God is real

[Twalli]

Science.