British Christian jailed for preaching the gospel, attacked by muslims & death threats made against her. Thoughts?

[Gwendoline]

https://youtu.be/oM7I7wAVfxc?si=cMBF_x6Vp5d1BeUi

[Anonymous]

Yeah, there's a real big anti-Western movement that has taken root in the West--primarily amongst the left wing parties it seems. It's like if you put all their policy positions together and ask "what's the unifying theme here" the simplest explanation appears to be "anti-Western sentiment."

Leftists themselves may say it's something more noble like "compassion for the dispossessed or some such." But that strikes me as unlikely as (just to take one example) there's all kinds of dumping on "toxic masculinity" when the man is Western, but nary a peep when it's someone from a different culture beating the shit out of women or gays or minorities in their own culture. Hence things like "Queers for Palestine" can only be explained by a pure anti-Western civilization philosophy.

The US may turn the corner on this (the latest elections are a positive sign, but a lot will depend on how things go), but man--the UK seems like a HOT mess!

[Levin]

It's not really surprising, is it?

Generally,

If you criticise Christianity, you won't be physically threatened, assaulted or threatened with death.

The same applies to Judaism.

But the same clearly does not apply to Islam. This would be an issue to me, and a point of contention in any debate. But no, not in any 'enlightened and empathetically' (or weak and cowardly) Western country.

Western countries are like those in domestic abuse relationships. They have no boundaries, no sense of self respect, they are being taken for fools. We won't defend our values or culture, we won't say it is wholly unacceptable to have these views in this country.

[Gwendoline]

Seems to be the case. I mean they jailed her twice and are refusing to go after those making threats on her life

[Levin]

The world turned upside down.

[RageBabe]

@Levin We are screwed.

[Levin]

@RageBabe waiting for people to wake up.

[slatyb]

Please read about Jessica Ahlquist who received death threats after she sued her public school to remove a prominently displayed Bible verse.

This is so common that plaintiffs in such cases are routinely granted anonymity to protect them from the peaceful Christians. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessica_Ahlquist

[Levin]

@slatyb Maybe I should have said in the UK, then.

Americans are generally a bit nutty, let's face it.

[Gwendoline]

@slatyb they stabbed her? Does she come from a culture where a man will throw acid in your face for rejecting a marraige proposal or one where your parents will murder you for not marrying your cousin at 15 or one where they will shoot up a media outlet over a cartoon?

[Levin]

@gwendoline 'tis fucking crazy man.

[desidoll]

When I talk about this to some Americans, many of them seem to be dismissive. I keep telling them how dangerous these people can be if you don’t keep them under control. They don’t come to the west just to work. Some of them yes, but most want to dominate and conquer. Look at what happened to France, Germany, Belgium, Canada. The ones who live in the States claim to be westernised but they secretly still support the radical groups and these morons believe them. Wait until they become the majority and start showing their true color. It would be late to act by then.

[RageBabe]

You're right, but many Americans are aware, and 9/11 is still so fresh for many of us who remember that day as if it were yesterday. Conversely, the left is the problem, and they keep offering justifications for adherents of this "peaceful religion." When does enough become enough? Things will only get worse. Another thing is that a lot of Jews are now fleeing Europe all over again. I wonder why that is. Of course, news channels aren't reporting on this. I have to go to the “Jewish Chronicle” website to find this out; otherwise, I wouldn't know, and the numbers are astounding.

[desidoll]

@RageBabe leftists hate the right so they are going to take on anyone’s side who could support their movement just to gather more people. Ironically, Muslims are right wingers too. When they come to me and question do you know all of them personally? I told them I was born in a Muslim country and know more than you who live with like only 1% of them?

[Gwendoline]

I seen a recent case in America where a Muslim father upset with his daughter dating some kid and not marrying the guy they wanted and refusing to travel to Iraq for a "holiday" assaulted her boyfriend and tried to choke his daughter to death. After her father was pulled off her mother tried to take over and their other daughter was trying to keep other people from helping her sister. That's crazy stuff.

[RageBabe]

@gwendoline That's heartbreaking, but I'd be lying if I said it surprised me; it doesn't.

[slatyb]

The biggest threat in the US is from right wing extremists. One of their latest efforts is destroying power substations.

[Gwendoline]

@slatyb are Muslims right wing extremists?

[RageBabe]

@gwendoline He's just trying to deflect.

[GOLDFISH_smile]

Wasn't she already released and paid because she was wrongfully charged? Ofc stabbing & death threats are never good no matter who's doing them against who, but at least when the police fucked up this one time it was actually corrected. Wish that would happen more often that people get released & paid for being fucked over by those who should "protect & serve"

[Gwendoline]

She arrested twice.

[GOLDFISH_smile]

And released both times right?

[Gwendoline]

Still hailed

[GOLDFISH_smile]

Yes police arrest people for bad reason often. That's why I said im glad at least this time it was corrected afterwards.

[lightbulb27]

Excellent story!

Christ message has always been offensive to those that don't want to hear it. It's not easy to exercise the devil out.

This why I don't accept islam immigration in too high numbrers. They get power, you have serious culture clash. We allow freedom of religion, but they do not.

Can see some value to having muslims in UK, but you see the risk as well. they are intoerant in truth. Go against what they hold dear, and they want you dead.

[Levin]

Very true. Are you from the UK?

[lightbulb27]

@Levin no, I visited recently. Was both impressed and concerned what I saw. Clearly... UK sold out to arabia... and started to pull back.
I saw some highly traumatized arabic person. there are needs for care and opportunity for Christ. I pray Christ wins people over. But you do have to protect the core of your country... and it's not Islam.

[Levin]

I know that. Unfortunately far too many are asleep.

Thank you for your words though.

[lightbulb27]

@Levin you bet. it's a lovely country and people. It's worth protecting.

[RageBabe]

Wow, this nation continues to deteriorate. The fact that this individual was imprisoned and for what reason is just abhorrent "speechless." Given how awful this country is becoming, I'm considering immigrating to the Falkland Islands.

[AviatorTom]

I agree with @purplepoppy. She is looking for trouble.

I'm American, and I was told (many years ago, during a visit to London) that you can say pretty much anything you want at Speaker's Corner, so long as you are standing on a soapbox. All the videos show her standing on the ground, which, as this former colonist understands, is grounds to be arrested if one is causing a disturbance, which she obviously is.

[KrakenAttackin]

This is the UK collapsing under the weight of wokeness. Trying desperately to appease people who hate you and want to vanquish you is a losing strategy.

Muslims will eventually rule the UK and the wokeys will be in cages wondering how it happened.

[bolverk]

They arrested Hatun Tash because that was easier for the Cops, they bottled arresting the MUSLIMS who attacked her because there were more MUSLIMS there than Cops,

Every time the Cops have arrested Hatun Tash they have ended up having to pay compensation to her because the arrests were unlawful.

[purplepoppy]

Is this the one who holds up a Qur'an riddle with holes wearing an offensive t-shirt of Muhammad and trys to convert Muslims?

Why can't she just preach the bible without taking shots at others? Fact is she wanted arrested so she could claim her free speech rights were violated

[Gwendoline]

No. She is just a foreign national of Iraqi descent who has escaped Islam.

[purplepoppy]

You know just because you can say something doesn't mean you have to.

[Gwendoline]

Woman with a traumatised past regarding Islam should shut up?

[slatyb]

Sounds like she was punished by the Muslim community for leaving the faith. Christians do the same to apostate children.

[Gwendoline]

Not really. Remember the parable of the prodigal son. Also Christians don't try to kill their kids for leaving the faith

[mobiusforniner]

I left a Christian church. Made my life a living hell. I’m estranged from my parents and in laws as well as being affected professionally by people whom I work with and also attend the same church. Christians are generally closed minded so if you’re not with them, you’re against them.

[Gwendoline]

@mobiusforniner which Christian church?

[mobiusforniner]

A radical one. I made no other differences in my life other than not attending service. My wife lost all her “friends”. I hear occasional gossip about how my kids will be “homos” and / or criminals. I shut them all out.

[slatyb]

Parables aren't real. In Europe apostasy was a capital crime until the early 1700's. What changed? Christianity lost political power. And don't kid yourself that it's over. Women in the US are dying from easily treatable complications of pregnancy. This is nothing more than a modern witch hunt.

[Gwendoline]

Well there you go. My experience in America as a Catholic means I've been called an apostate or heretic. Parables are very real, they teach lessons.

[lowkanymous]

@mobiusforniner respectfully, this sounds like you are generalizing the whole religion just based off your personal experience. i go to a very diverse catholic school and many girls are not catholic but their families are, but they are fully supportive. im sorry that you have been treated this way, that is not what God teaches us.

[mobiusforniner]

@lowkanymous maybe so and it’s true, there are open minded Christians out there. I consider myself one. But the vast majority aren’t openly accepting of others or worse, they use scripture as a means of justifying overt judgement upon those who don’t appear to align with their idea of gods plan.

[lowkanymous]

@mobiusforniner I've never met amy christans like that

[mobiusforniner]

@lowkanymous I have. A lot of them. I’m married into it. So there’s that.

[lowkanymous]

@mobiusforniner yikes

[slatyb]

@lowkanymous it's not uncommon for fundamentalist parents to disown apostate children (or gay children).

[mobiusforniner]

That’s where I’m at. Because conformance to religion is more important than love and acceptance

[lowkanymous]

i have never met anyone who has had that experience

[slatyb]

@lowkanymous So? It's happened thousands upon thousands of times. I know someone who experienced this. She was evicted by her stepfather after leaving their high control religion.

[mobiusforniner]

@lowkanymous now you have. lol. And I know others who have. I’d hope it’s the exception and not the norm.

[slatyb]

Also please the story of Jessica Ahlquist and her experience with "Christian Love": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessica_Ahlquist

[lowkanymous]

@mobiusforniner i'm sorry that happened to you

[slatyb]

@lowkanymous You do understand that shunning apostates is the explicit policy of some Christian sects, such as the Jehovah's witnesses, and a frequent result of apostasy in the Mormon church.

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

She won her lawsuit, yes the violence she experienced is worse than her street harassment that she did on the regular.

[Gwendoline]

Yes she got assaulted and stabbed

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

She did, by being a very hateful christian, which is nothing new tbh

[Dongie]

It sounds as though Great Britain isn't great anymore!

[RageBabe]

It's awful, and it's only going to get worse with this new government in. 😞

[Gwendoline]

@RageBabe we saw the gang rape cover ups.

[nawtee_me]

2 Timothy 4:3-5
3-5 You’re going to find that there will be times when people will have no stomach for solid teaching, but will fill up on spiritual junk food—catchy opinions that tickle their fancy. They’ll turn their backs on truth and chase mirages. But you—keep your eye on what you’re doing; accept the hard times along with the good; keep the Message alive; do a thorough job as God’s servant.

[saraupstairs]

Maybe allowing Muslims in the country was a bad idea.

[Gwendoline]

Yeah Rotherham

[saraupstairs]

It's crazy.

[DaBiggestBird]

We were warned of these things. The world would persecute all believers he said

[mobiusforniner]

Why not leave people alone and accept their differences? Most people don’t want to be told they’re less thans who are going to hell. Didn’t Jesus tell you to love everyone?

[strateguy632]

If i "love" then i "care" about them and want them to have a chance (to avoid hell)
for the treasure gift from jesus.

[mobiusforniner]

@strateguy632 Jesus taught acceptance of what is. Not of what must be. Love is letting go, not a desire to force others into doing what is wanted.

[Gwendoline]

He also preached to spread the gospel.

[mobiusforniner]

And the gospel means forcing other people to join a club? Jesus’ concept of a “church” was a philosophical state of mind. A Hindu, Muslim, or Jew can be a Christian, provided they loved God by loving other people.

[strateguy632]

To @mobiusforniner stop quoting dawkins! He is not an accurate quoter of new testament!

[mobiusforniner]

@strateguy632 who the f is Dawkins? Lol

[Gwendoline]

Where was she forcing people to become Christian. Britain isn't Egypt

[mobiusforniner]

There’s ways to go about spreading the gospel via acceptance and love. Not yelling in a street corner in front of a bunch of radicals. Her actions however noble her intent may appear, are largely focused on making a public scene before an audience of which she was obviously not welcome. Jesus didn’t create an atmosphere of anger or division. He taught with love and wisdom.

[genericname85]

yeah britain has overall mutated into a crazy dystopian state that could litterally be part of the orwell story.

[cableguy618]

Christian and Muslim have been around for centuries fighting each other. I’m a Christian I’ve been to many Muslim countries. It’s amazing that this day and age we can’t see past it. There is enough disbelief in God in the world. If we stop fighting each other and show respect instead we can accomplish better things.

[jshm2]

LOL, she's a hate preacher, not a "Christian" in anything but name.

Like a Trump supporter hating everyone unless he deems them "American".

It's no wonder she is treated like the scum she is. Though she's probably mentally ill, if anything.

[RageBabe]

@jshm2 😑

[Gwendoline]

No she preaches against hate.

[Graptemys79]

Jesus was the original object of anti-Christian bigotry, was he not?

[JesseP1nk]

mm yeah... You guys did not wanna follow Poland now enjoy.

[strateguy632]

That is horrific!

Harmless speech getting such backlash is intolerable!

[Agape93]

Ah the religion of peace and the society of inclusiveness meet to fuck over people.

[Anonymous]

The government are trying to outlaw Judaism and Christianity here in the UK

[travelguy01]

Who decides that the Influencers on this site are “Influencers”? Is it Xper Level based? Or were some people cherry picked?

[RageBabe]

@travelguy01 I think so “Xper Level-based,” and that includes spending a lot of time on here.

[FunkyMonkee]

She wasted all her time and energy talking about that mumbo jumbo and what'd she gain?

[RageBabe]

The police in this country are ridiculous; they should make the same effort to apprehend Islamic preachers who incite hatred towards this country and all other Western countries to which they flock.

[FunkyMonkee]

@RageBabe Glad to hear it!

[JesterRose]

Ah the religion of piece. a piece over here, a piece over there, etc.

[LiamJHayden]

The collapse of The West is happening before our eyes.

[FreyaRed]

Two tier policing.

[Bricealan]

Terrible, just terrible

[shortster]

England has fallen into despotism.

[Unit1]

Terrorism