British woman arrested for thinking. Right or wrong?

[purplepoppy]

A British woman has been arrested for thinking and praying in silence near an abortion clinic according to catholicherald.co.uk/.../

premierchristian.news/.../woman-arrested-after-silently-praying-near-abortion-clinic

Isabel Vaughan-Spruce was arrested, searched and held in custody after she told officers that she might have said some silent prayers close to the British Pregnancy Advisory Services Robert Clinic in Kings Norton.

Officers asked the 45-year-old from Malvern, Worcestershire, if the photographs showed her praying outside the clinic and she admitted that she might have been praying silently in her mind, but also thinking about her lunch and other trivial things.

She is now on bail and banned from praying anywhere.
"Bail conditions include a requirement that Ms Vaughan Spruce, the director of the UK March for Life and a pregnancy counsellor, desists from taking part in public prayer even beyond the limits of the exclusion zone."

So what are your thoughts? Just a case of a her ignoring an exclusion zone or a ban on thinking in public?

[Anonymous]

This is all a misrepresentation obviously.

You have to start at the end when you read the words 'exclusion zone'.

Wait, what?

What is an exclusion zone and why is it there?

It turns out that abortion clinics in whereever have set up or rather it seems when you read a little more that they have been forced to set up exclusion zones where you are prohibited from interfering with or intimidating or otherwise putting off or bothering people at the clinic.

This is being pitched as thought crime but that is not the case at all, you are completely free to think about your lunch and silently pray to yourself without interference from the state what you are not allowed to do is go and troll people at an abortion clinic, which is clearly what these people have been doing previously and what led to the creation of the exlusion zones in the first place, that is why praying is specifically excluded in the list of things you are not allowed to do in the exclusion zone.

This woman has 4 counts against her and was reported to police ON SIGHT while standing there in silence, why? Well presumably because she has form and was recognised as a troll.

And this is the Christian media, biased heavy in favour of her.

What would come out if you start asking what she and her friends have been up to previously is likely to be quite interesting.

[mstbooblover]

This seems rather political bullshit. It's certainly not praying that obviously caused the problem, but the way the woman tries to interfere with clinic's activities. Democracy is about freedom of opinion and expression, but doesn't one's freedom stops where someone else's starts?

I will never understand why some people want absolutely force their opinions upon other people. This goes two ways, I mean here the topic of an abortion clinic and a person trying to prevent women to undergo abortion. Let every woman decide for themselves whether or not they want this or not. No one at all is otherwise concerned, set aside an involved doctor or a voluntarily choosen confessor.

[Anonymous]

Very bizarre. What when how can praying near an abortion centre be considered intimidating as the article claims? Abortion can be potentially dangerous to the mother so there is legitimate reason to pray - for the person's well being, etc. Not to mention to many it'd be considered a form of respect to the babes that were aborted.

And the funny thing is in that spineless country of the UK they would allow people such as Muslims to pray wherever they want undisturbed and Muslims have a far more barbaric approach / ideology towards abortion than even extreme Christians.

[Guffrus]

The explanation for why the exclusion zones HAD to be set up in the first place is not included in the article because the articles are from Christian press and are therefore biased in favour of the woman who was arrested, AGAIN.

It is entirely obvious from the information provided that there has been a sustained campaign by religious nuts at these clinics, that is why the exclusion zone exists.

Your own question is self explanatory and is exactly the point. What the fuck have these people been doing that led to the creation of an exclusion zone which had to explicitly state that you are not allowed to exist even in silence inside the exclusion zone?

The answer is obvious; that these people have been trolling the clinic over a long period of time and it doesn't matter how many times you explain to them that their behavior is unacceptable and will not be tolerated and that they are required to show respect for other people, they just don't get it, it's almost as if they feel they answer to a higher power and don't have to obey the rules that apply to everyone else, they are special..

So you get to the point where the exclusion zone exists, everyone knows you aren't allowed to interfer with the clinic in ANY WAY WHAT SO EVER INCLUDING SIMPLY BEING IN THE AREA WITHOUT HAVING LEGITIMATE BUSINESS THERE.

And what does this trolling bitch do?

She goes right back and picks up another fucking count against her.

What options remain available other than stripping this woman of her freedom?

She won't listen, she has been told over and over again by the same system which prevents other people from trolling the Church that she goes to.

Everyone else stopped.

That's why it is just this one woman.

[Opinion Owner]

@Guffrus What are you blabbering about? She isn't and wasn't interfering with the clinic in any way, shape or form. Are you that much of a baaaaing sheep you can't comprehend something so simple?

[Guffrus]

There is 'an exclusion zone' which had to be created BECAUSE OF HER. You fucking moron.

[Anonymous]

This can't be real. And at Christmas too. I can't imagine them doing this to a Muslim woman

[Red_Arrow]

Obviously people have been intimidating women going to the abortion clinic. So an exclusion area has legally been set up there to prevent the harassment of women going there. That woman may have been blocking, speaking, or just glaring at women going there. She is free to do those things from outside the exclusion area, but not in it. If she had been using her brain she would not have been "thinking" in the exclusion area.

[goaded]

It sounds stupid, but the court's not quite as dumb as you make it sound: she's banned from *public* prayer. I suspect that the woman has done much more than just silently pray around an abortion clinic in the past. Shouting or crowding someone is not the only way to intimidate them.

[jshm2]

That's a bullshit headline.

It's like saying "paedophile arrested, just for walking by school!"

The woman was actually arrested for failing to observe a PSPO against her, and intimidating women.

[SnowedIn]

Well, if there was a law that states one cannot pray in certain places at certain times, and she broke the law, then she is receiving the consequences. The real issue, in that case, is the law itself and Councils/MPs need to change those laws.

[Chazmatazz269]

So many jokes, so little time!
Arresting a woman for thinking is truly a crime without evidence!
It actually does surprise me that a woman was victimized this way. It wouldn’t have surprised me if it were a man though. Things are obviously getting pretty bad!

[exitseven]

It was only a matter of time before this happened. The government wants to control how you think. The classic novel "1984" hasn't been on and off the NY Times best seller list for the last two years for nothing

[bean2k21]

Ignorance of the law is no excuse -- she knew it was illegal, so she deserved to be punished. Let's say this woman chose to live in my house. She would be expected to build an altar to bean2k21 and get on her knees and pray to it. That being said, I realize that some might be offended by bean2k21sm, and it's rituals of physically restraining followers known as 'slaves.' But, those rules are established when someone reads the gospel of bean2k21 and accepts me as their Lord and Master.

[pers0n]

I know there is no way to hide the truth from you, but I discarded the legal cuckvestigation certificate for the same reason. It's offensive for abortionists that you, a functional hermaphrodite turn me into a cuck while getting impregnated by @purplepoppy and then unimpregnated yourself using the power of your mind and impregnated newly initiated slaves that gained 7 kilograms within days.

[pers0n]

At least we are showing up on search engines.
www.google.com/search

[OddBeMe]

Well I looked up the story on actual news sites and apparently she breached an exclusion zone outside a clinic. So if you want to complain, ask why is there an exclusion zone.
Hint: anti-abortionists are crazy af.

[monorprise]

Its unthinkable its a good thing abortion clinics were banned in my state. They seem to have trouble respecting anyone's rights be it a person's speech and prayer or a persons life.

[RealMarek]

It’s wrong, but it will get worse. Maybe in 20 years they’ll be burning people at the stake for wrong think.

[lightbulb27]

what the he? no wonder Meghan and her man bailed out and left for Canada...

[Anonymous]

I thought Americans were a teeny tiny bit crazy. A tiny portion of the population. But now I see Britain also being crazy. Everyone is crazy.

[zagor]

In Britain you can get arrested for all kinds of stupid shit. Same with Canada and Australia.

[KostasKouvalis]

Is this some kind of a joke? What exactly was she charged with?

[Anonymous]

What the hell is this world coming too? That's just not right.

[Reece12345]

This is a no-brainer haha

[dustybiker]

Was she trying to intimidate?

[Agape93]

That is some astounding dumbfuckery

[Charliefretz329]

Sounds about on par with current events