So theists, would you off me if God asked? Not do you WANT to (ik you do)? Hate to break it to you guys, but morality DOES exist for us athiests?

[DrPepper12]

I'd take you out! It's God's plan!

I'd renounce God if it asked me to do that!

I don't know bruh. The "JK Abraham!" stunt was FUCKED UP

Maybe you athiests are onto something here...

Morality is not just independent of God, it's flexible/negotiable

Well... Um... You see... I... Err... Umm... Yeah...

I'll take your body out. The soul is forever!

[msmissydc]

Having morality based on a believe system is just wrong. If it gets proven wrong these people would evolve into something objectively evil. The only reason they are not yet objectively evil is, because there morality system averages ours to lower standarts.

Morality that is based on something that is possibly not even real is dangerous.
Atheist or agnostics base their morality on real situations and humanity in the way we exist today. Yes some of them have low standarts, some of them have high standarts but it will not change into something dangerous in a random situation. People who lose their religion (thats 3 in the corner thats the in the spotlight... ) without a valid understanding of morality outside their religion can be dangerous in my opinion.

[msmissydc]

Also an omnipresent, omnipotent and good god are impossible. You can only ever have two of them. Their books clearly state that they are the first two and clearly not a good god.
An omnipotent, good god would be possible because they dont know what the world and humans are doing and what input they would need to make it better. A good god and omnipresent god would be possible because he can't change it to something better. An omnipresent and omnipotent god is not good because they allow evil and force us to suffer. Even with their argument of "if you abide by their rules you are not punished for breaking them", it doesn't work, because why would they allow third parties to suffer that have done nothing wrong instead of the one doing the evil? Or why do babies suffer if they haven't even have the option to do bad yet? They are punishing people for what others have done, which makes the god a wrathful god even over generations, and that is by their own definition a deadly sin. Not even talking about how greed and envy is selfish when their religion is based on material consumption and not allowing other beliefs. You dont even need outside input for criticism, their internal structure is hypocritical enough.

[electromagnetic]

God doesn’t talk to people. But if our paths crossed and I had intentions on committing murder, if you were in the vicinity, it was both our destiny.

little voices in my head is a one way ticket to crazy town.

[blueonblack22]

Jesus never advocated for murder nor did his disciples nor did apostle Paul (although Paul was a terrorist who persecuted Christians prior to his conversion).

God also gave Moses the 10 commandments including included the commandment “thou shall not kill”.

While God did command the Israelites to conquer and wipe out entire nations in the Old Testament he never (as far as my knowledge of scripture) asked his believers to go personally murder someone unless it they were a leader/priest of heathen God in the region of Israel who was leading others astray.

So long story short I highly doubt God is going to command any Judeo-Christian to “off” you.

[Bricealan]

God asked Abraham to sacrifice his son, Isaac. I believe that is murder

[blueonblack22]

@Bricealan and did Abraham kill Isaac? He was about to and God stopped him at the last second.

That was a TEST not murder. Don’t get it twisted.

[Juxtapose]

These tests are sociopathic.

[blueonblack22]

@Juxtapose there are a lot of incidents that happen in the Bible (especially the Old Testament) that would appear so from OUR human judgment.

But this is God not another human. He knew that Abraham valued his son Isaac above all else. Valued him about his own life. But God also sent his only son Jesus to die for us on the cross for our forgiveness of sins.

A lot do this sounds crazy, foolish and “sociopathic” from how we view the world. But one thing I’ve notice is the more I studied the Bible (and I need to get back in it) it starts to make more and more sense.

I personally think God punished me with something 3 years ago to make me slow down and re-evaluate a lot the bad decisions I was making. It helped me gain a new perspective on my life trajectory.

[Bricealan]

@blueonblack22 Did I say that? Mearly a fact of what the bible states

[DrPepper12]

Your God is irredeemably twisted.

[Juxtapose]

A God that is omnipotent, omniscient & omnipresent doesn't even need to test people or make them suffer. If Yahweh is real, it's the most evil creature in the known universe.

[Juxtapose]

Being powerful doesn't make you RIGHT.

[Juxtapose]

Power = responsibility & accountability to those beneath you.

[DrPepper12]

Well said juxtapose

[Caroline91]

@blueonblack22 I had the experience of being held in his hand for a time during a traumatic event in my life. I understand what you are saying and I'm glad for your experience and that you understood it. Blessings.

[Bricealan]

Just as an after thought, the very idea that a "loving' god would ask a man to kill is own son as a 'sacrifice', and to call that a "test' of his faith, is yet another reason for me to reject any thought of my having any faith , in such an absurd belief system. That is only one aspect of the entire Christian ideology that leaves me cold and distancing myself from it.

[Lliam]

If a voice in my head told me to kill someone, it would mean that I had a psychotic break. I would need professional help.

Only the god invented by the demonic Judeans would order people to kill others.

I don't believe in gods, especially demonic gods. As an atheist, I have morals.

[Juxtapose]

I am an atheist but knowing Yahweh, he'd torture me forever for disobeying him. So I would be his puppet because NOBODY, not even my own mother, is worth being tortured forever for.

I wonder how many Christians would be honest enough to admit that?

[SixFootSexy]

https://www.youtube.com/embed/EWX1ydA1cCU

Here we go again

[DrPepper12]

Lol lol lol!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

For all I know, no argument or rational take would produce the effect wanted when facing a fundamentalist because there is no rational construction to see in blind faith

[hahahmm]

I think you have greatly over estimated the value you have to a total stranger. I would kill 100 dudes if I thought they were plotting to beat my wife up. I'm old school like that.

[DrPepper12]

So you're a paranoid vengeful vigilante psychopath? Odd take tbh...

[hahahmm]

No, if I had evidence of them plotting to do that, I would deal with them instead of whining to the cops. I get stuff done, old school. No need to hide behind middle men. Call it what you will. I haven't had to do anything yet. Come to think of it, when I was younger I noticed that some guys you shouldn't joke about their family/wives with. They just gave off that air, despite being friendly and the type who would be the bests party hosts. I guess I became that guy.

[jshm2]

LOL, you're a special kind of stupid, it seems. Your morality is subjective. Also there are no real "atheists", you just believe you are atheist as a rock.

[DrPepper12]

Bless you my child.

[Caroline91]

No. That would cause too much doubt. I know many moral atheists, my brother included.

[dreamstar72]

Weird question, I would kill you if I or my commander told me to, if we were at war with each other, or. So what does this have to do with the question about God.

[DrPepper12]

Really? Read it slower. Twice.

[seeyounexttuesday]

You claim to be an atheist but have made government your god. You are an eternal teenager attempting to rebel against the Father. But just like in real life He still loves you even though you tell him you hate Him and never wish you were born.

[DrPepper12]

Ah, the proscriptive prognosticating presumptuous blasphemous faux moralist... That didn't take long... LMFAO 😂

[seeyounexttuesday]

Someone got a thesaurus for Christmas.

[DrPepper12]

Got me thinking there. I would be ENRAGED if someone gave me that but eerily grateful too.

If people only knew the power of words. The RIGHT words, at the RIGHT time strung together with other RIGHT words makes the magic happen!

How can you be human and not INTENSELY curious about language?

[seeyounexttuesday]

Shut up nerd

[DrPepper12]

I'm glad you asked! The term "nerd" first appeared in Dr. Seuss's 1950 book "If I Ran the Zoo", referring to a fictional creature. Its slang usage began in 1951, described in Newsweek as synonymous with "drip" or "square," indicating someone socially inept or out of touch. The word likely evolved from the 1940s slang "nert," meaning a foolish person, which itself stemmed from "nut" (weirdo). Originally derogatory, "nerd" has been reclaimed positively over time, encompassing various passionate interests.

[seeyounexttuesday]

Know how I know you never get laid?

[DrPepper12]

Lay & Lie. Really tough conjugates. I'd Google it

[seeyounexttuesday]

The best part is you think you’re being cute.

[DrPepper12]

Bruh, I'm so cute I AM the stock photo in retail picture frames!!

[Anonymous]

If you were a danger like Jordan Peely or that atheist attacking Christians in Germany I would take you out.

[DrPepper12]

"If" helps you avoid the question. Try again.

[Opinion Owner]

Is it moral to let Jordan Peely prey on women on the subway?

[DrPepper12]

Avoidance again