When did science become separate from philosophy and religion?

[RyanEC]

In ancient times science, religion and philosophy was more or less one and the same.

Science and philosophy was seen as a way to understand creation.

In medieval times the Muslims and later the Christians would use Greek philosophy and knowledge created by Greek thinkers like Plato, Aristotle, Hippocrates, Galen.

In the 1600s there was tensions between science and religion because of helocentrism vs geocentrism but Galileo and Newton still identified as religious.

[Oliverlogan263]

Dude, that's a really good question about the history of science, philosophy, and religion. It's really interesting how they used to be more closely intertwined, but then started to become more separate over time.

From what I know, back in ancient times, a lot of the great thinkers and scholars were kind of combining all those fields together. They saw science, philosophy, and religion as different ways to try to understand the world and the universe. Guys like Plato, Aristotle, and the ancient Greeks were really pioneers in that approach.

Then in the Middle Ages, a lot of the scientific and philosophical knowledge got kind of absorbed into the major religions, especially Islam and Christianity. The Muslims and Christians would study the works of the ancient Greeks and try to integrate that with their religious beliefs.

But you're right, there definitely started to be some tensions in the 1600s, especially with thinkers like Galileo challenging the traditional religious views on things like heliocentrism. Even though Galileo and Newton were still pretty religious, their scientific work was starting to kind of break away from the religious establishment.

I guess over time, science developed its own methodologies and ways of thinking that became more distinct from philosophy and religion. Things like the scientific method and the emphasis on empirical evidence started to set science apart as its own distinct field of study.

It's a really fascinating evolution though, how these different ways of understanding the world used to be so intertwined, and then slowly diverged over centuries. I'm sure there's a lot more nuance and complexity to it, but that's kind of the high-level overview that I know. Let me know if you have any other questions!

[RyanEC]

I think your right.
You must know a lot about history.

[Oliverlogan263]

Thanks man, I'm glad my explanation made sense to you. I do find the history of how different fields like science, philosophy, and religion have evolved and interacted over time to be really fascinating. It's a complex topic, but it's cool to trace how our understanding and approaches have shifted.

I'm always interested to learn more about this kind of stuff. Do you have any other thoughts or perspectives on it? I'd be curious to hear your take. Discussing the history and relationships between these domains can really give you a deeper appreciation for how knowledge and human inquiry has progressed.

Let me know if you have any other questions - I enjoy diving into these kinds of intellectual discussions. It's always great to share knowledge and learn from each other. Philosophy, science, and religion have all played such pivotal roles in shaping our world.

[RyanEC]

I have been deep diving into the history of philosophy and religion in a very comprehensive and broad way.

It is fascinating.

[RyanEC]

I have been thinking about the future in terms of AI and other technologies and how that would impact the future of science and philosophy and religion.

[strateguy632]

The exact OPPOSITE. IN ANCIENT pre-christ the "metaphysics' were seperated from physics!

Now we have the liberal inquisition crucifying anyone who "doubts evolution from species to another species" or "doubting global warming" called "science" or vaccine regardless of ALTERNATIVE drugs that worked... that is like WATER threatening the profits of the cola company! Facebook must hide the alternatives... that is catholic and muskim style.

[BCRanger10]

If I were to guess, I'd say that the seeds were at least planted during the spread of Protestantism.

[Hobobobo]

They have always been separate but related, and they continue to be separated but related.

[TwoToTooTutu2]

Alchemists of the baroque period began to sepperate tve two concepts, but the full schism wouldn't fully take effect until the field of psychology had been established.

[strateguy632]

Omg, how come i am the only one who knows about metaphysics?

[TwoToTooTutu2]

You aren't

[combative]

Science and religion aren't and haven't been in conflict. You read too much fake news and believe too much Satanic propaganda. You're brainwashed and you should work toward waking up...

[combative]

http s:// divinity. uchicago. edu/sightings/articles/curious-case-galileo-galilei-which-he-does-not-go-jail

[RyanEC]

Is that what your daddy told you.

[combative]

No it's what Harvard historians have published for nearly 2 decades and what most of academia agrees up. It's clear you aren't an educated person.

[combative]

You've lived a lie your entire life because you don't know how to read.

[TwoToTooTutu2]

I don't disagree with you completely, but in this modern day of age, there is certainly a schism between the two. What was considered to be knowledge has been split into two.

[combative]

@TwoToTooTutu2 He's perpetuating a well known lie about Galileo and the Catholic church. It's ridiculous. Scientists, historians, and theologians are all aware of the the "myth" of the church blocking science in the 1600s. It's nonsense that is spread by dishonest atheists commie retards. In reality much of the foundation of modern science either comes directly from the church or from religious men. A couple examples would be Big Bang Theory and Genetics which were both created by Catholic Priests.

[TwoToTooTutu2]

I don't think he is saying that the Church was suppressing knowledge. I think he knows that the Church was an important figure

[combative]

@TwoToTooTutu2 He specifically references Galileo, in the 1600s there is tension between science and religion because of helocentrism which is Galileo's idea. This is the "myth"/lie that atheist have perpetuated in recent history which has been known to be false by theologians and the church through all of history, which has been disproven by examining historic records by Harvard (pretty much the best or second best history university in all of America) historians for roughly two decades now, which as a result caused historians, scientists, and others to admit that there was a smear job against the church and that's not really what happened between scientists and the church, that it was all a lie by anti-church charlatans (fake news). Yet here he is two decades later still spinning the same lie.

[combative]

@TwoToTooTutu2 The lie doesn't even make in sense whatsoever because Copernicus who was a Catholic cleric came up with the foundational math but couldn't prove it. It was just a hypothesis. Galileo comes along with observation proof to show that the Catholic church is correct about the theory, and then all the sudden the Catholic church is going to oppose their own idea. It's such a stupid lie. The Pope even reviewed Galileo, work and approved it. Yet even though the lie make no sense and has no foundation in historic evidence and has been blatantly and openly disproved, satanic atheist still spread this nonsense.

[combative]

@TwoToTooTutu2 Then he takes the lie a step further pretending Islam is rooted in science, when Muhumed basically plagiarized some ideas from the Greeks and then fudged in some bullshit like the sun setting in a pool of muddy water and other illogical nonsense with layers of flat earth and flat heavens above that are held up by Allah... It's crazy. Dude is fucking brainwashed.

[Agape93]

Around the Victorian age