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The feminism debate obsession on this site is getting so tedious now. Can we all give it a rest? Nothing is ever achieved from it and people are too stubborn and rigid in their views that they completely ignore the other side.
Well, they were successful in that campaign to stop men from sitting comfortably. But aside from that, you're right
problem is, we can't.
Because feminism is on the rise, and as evident by actions, radical feminism is rising too. Proper feminism fighting for both sides SHOULD be encouraged (i'm not a feminist, more an equalist, but i'd gladly help somone fighting for both men and women), but we also need to act AGAINST radical feminism before it drives men and women even further apart.
It does not tak evil for evil for injustice to happen, only for good people to not care.
Do you want to be the one chosing not to care?
@dartmaul15 Will endlessly debating about it on GAG make any difference though? If you want change then be active in making it. If radical feminism is currently on the rise then there's not enough people debunking it.
@itsallover
Afraid i can't help in the states, but trust me, i'm going to us what little power i have to work against it.
How? By proving them wrong, and then showing people the true way to equality. Cooperation and mutual understanding.
True but that can be said about any political or religious debate.
the premises of this article are extremely flawed. a feminists is not a person who believes men and women are equal.
the true definition of a feminist is a person who believe that women are entitled to reign as superior over men
Obviously I favor gender equality to the extent possible, given the undeniable differences between the genders.
I do believe that radical feminism becomes very divisive, women will not get ahead by despising men, & ultimately harming men will not help women.
I agree with most of what was said here. It is refreshing to know that most every day feminists are not plotting the extermination of men! LOL.
I don't think most men are afraid of gender equality but of gender "sameness." They want fairness but for men to be men and women to be women. At least, that's how I feel.
I disagree with Itsallover. Feminism is an important issue, especially on a site FOR and ABOUT women. I do not find it tedious.
I respect your opinion, but unfortunately on this site I see nothing but negativity regarding feminism, especially from men. How is that progressive in any sense? Almost every day I see a post openly bashing feminism and what it stands for. It's tedious because no matter how many times it's discussed, the guys will still not listen.
Yeah, I just flamed some guy who was ranting about how feminism is going to topple the world order. They are almost always anonymous. I think that all of the radical feminist rhetoric causes a lot of fear and loathing and men lose site of the real issue: equal rights and privileges under the law.
I don't like feminism because of what feminism has done to men and the family unit and society in general and putting men in a bad light giving women the upper hand on just about everything making men look evil. But now when it comes to equal pay I don't care WHO is doing the work they pay is equal or it's cheating. Don't get me wrong I'm not agreeing with feminist on this topic I'm agreeing with me myself and I.
Since you can't have a logically thought-out discussion with a feminist criticizing feminism without them resorting to fallacies, shaming tactics, and false assumptions... I will just say this.
https://youtu.be/-ZOiX6cIT8oNo one likes pusheen... this makes me sad.
Lol awesome
Feminist response:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIlNIVXpIns
Hahaha thank you for this
Lol. I like the inane generalization. It makes your argument moot becahse it isn't based on reality.
@RationalLioness got to love someone who proves my point.
I dont think you understand even you're osn point. Do you not see the hypocrisy? you're labeling EVERY feminist as such which is in itself irrational.
Think again. Harder this time. :)
@RationalLioness ignorance truly is bliss
Sure women can do everything men can do... except dunk in basketball, hit a regulation size baseball, do regular push-ups, lift more weight, make money, invent things that are useful, fight in the military etc.
We'll give you equality when you act equal.
So women can't handl the truth that's why I c 3 dislikes
you dont call it truth when someone says whatever they want just to make themselves feel better. thats what cowards do.
this person has no idea if all the billions of women how many can do these things better than him.
You are being ridiculous. Let me teach you. Equality here means equality in worth. The way you see it, if we were all equal, we would all be good in exactly the same things. No diversity... How boring. Women can't act equal because some of us do everything they can to block them. Also, "giving" equality sounds so condescending... You say it like you're giving a treat to a dog. I am ashamed for people like you.
@Azara wrong, no women has ever been able to dunk in basketball. Ever wonder why they don't dunk in the WNBA? It's not because it's against the rules, it's because no woman can. None, zero, zilch. The same goes for why women's softballs are big and green, because a woman's brain is incapable of hitting a regular baseball going at 90 mph. Also, the reason for doing push-ups from the knees was invented FOR women only. Men don't need it, we never needed to do knee push-ups in the army, which is why we can be drafted cause we're even better than women at killing stuff. And name one massive invention for humanity that was made by a woman. Men even invented all the stuff you women need: tampons, the high heel, the push-up bra, mascara and the bikini; all invented by men. We do everything and all you do is complain about it.
@JuicyBrain read what I said and research it. No woman has ever been able to do the things I mentioned. None. I can dunk at basketball and so can you because we're men and only men can do those things. No matter how good a woman gets and how strong her legs are she will never be able to do that. Women aren't capable of being as good as men at certain things. And we are giving women treats by giving them equality. They shouldn't be allowed to join the military because they can't do proper push-ups or run as long as a man can. We don't block women from doing things, they just can't do them at all. No matter how hard they try they'll never be able to do those things, EVER!
Again, equality means equality of worth. Not that we can all do the same things. You reply to me with more of the same examples you gave in your first argument. You still don't get it. We each have our strengths and weaknesses. Oh how much I would want to see you get your ass kicked by Rhonda Roussey. It might put you back in your place...
@JuicyBrain I have no idea who that is. And I restated my argument because you didn't address anything in there; it seemed you ignored it. So I thought I should remind you what I said. Your definition of equal worth clearly differs from others.
I don't know why I keep trying. Talking to you is like trying to teach physics to a dog. It's not your fault, your brain can't process the information...
You still haven't addressed the main point of my argument being that women simply can't do certain things.
well i know probably 10+ women in my engineering college that are gonna come out of school probably making 6 figures and be more educated than 98% of the world
but again for every girl in engineering there are like 10 or more guys haha
I actually disagree with you, what you said is stupid.
Equal rights have nothing to do with equality or being the same. Men are treated on a whole equally, but we don't have equality, we can't do the same push-ups, lift the same weight, we don't make the same money and only a small fraction of men do inventions.
@oracle12c Don't like what I say then get back in the kitchen and make me a sandwich. I never said equal rights in my statement, I said equality.
Wow getting person are we... @John_Doesnt passive aggressiveness doesn't suits you.
I greatly support feminism, but have never seen one.
All people I know that call themselves feminist think men can't think, feel or work.
This is not feminism, but amazonism.
I am supporting equal rights, but not a female monopoly.
If everyone is equal, and understand their duty, we will succeed
I'm okay with feminists but the feminists on tumblr are the ones who I hate because they despise men and want them to get neutered because they haven't had a nice prick in years,
fem·i·nism
ˈfeməˌnizəm/Submit
noun
the advocacy of WOMEN'S rights...
Egalitarianism (from French égal, meaning "equal")—or, rarely, equalitarianism or equalism—is a trend of thought that favors equality for all people. Egalitarian doctrines maintain that all humans are equal in fundamental worth or social status, according to the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy.
The actual definition...
Spot on, feminism is like the word implies, the advocacy of WOMEN'S rights only.
The word feminism was chosen at a time where rights between men and women were far from equal. Women had a lot of ground to cover to reach equality, so yes it was all about women. The word feminism predates women fighting for supremacy. So why should the word feminism belong to them? Let them have their own word that I think suits them well : Feminazis. Is the choice of word the only thing that gets to you guys?
Also, let's not forget that feminist are people fighting so women can reach equality, because WOMEN need to reach equality. Why would these people fight for men's rights? Is PETA fighting for people's rights? No ! Not because they don't care about people but because that is not what they are about !
Yes, well I'm not pro feminism I'm pro egalitarianism, it means what it says
@JuicyBrain
As you wish. All I am saying is that ultimately, Feminism and Egalitarianism are actually after the same result. The difference is the name. I KNOW there are women who call themselves feminists but who really are feminazis. We should be able to spot them and understand that's not what feminism is about.
@JuicyBrain If they were exactly the same they wouldn't be split. They clearly have different agendas. One is to promote actual equality, the other is to "bring women up" (when statistically the genders are relatively close in most aspects) and ignore the inadequacies of men. As a woman, I'd never call myself a feminist. I want the genders to be 100% equal. I do not want an advantage, and I do not think that I am underprivileged for being a woman. In fact, I feel that, as a woman, I have more perks than I do disadvantages.
@Mekkalyn But that is what feminism is about ! That is exactly what I have been trying to explain... You ARE a feminist. You just want to use another word to describe yourself because some people ruined it. How long before the word equalitarian is ruined too?
Feminism is a egalitarian movement. I am a egalitarian but some of the things they complain about these days are just really retarded and they sure are not trying to get equal time in prison for the same crimes men do and a lot of stuff they talk about has been debunked.
understanding that people have different needs and interests is not the same thing as saying one is better than the other. if you're just going to magically say everyone is the same how do you deal with the fact womEn have babies and are for a certain period of time compromised in a way men are not? egalitarianism doesn't take away the need for a woman movement and women movement doesn't get in the way of egalitarianism. anymore than fighting fascism would.
as for diff punishment. thats based on the idea that women are weaker not in control of their actions and inferior to men in the first place. just like custody laws favoring the mother. thats based on the idea that its the womans role to spend her life taking care of kids. and that otherwise women aren't really competent. they wouldn't just hand a kid over to the father bc its assumed hell be working.
"Some of the things these days are just really retarded". The use of "retarded" is very discriminatory in this context, especially for an egalitarian.
Azara - Women should be Equal to Men and Vice Versa, For example feminists complain about female circumcision but then turns around and thinks male circumcision is all fine but that is called hypocrisy. Women and Men should have a fair chance in the court room when it comes to a child as long they both are stable. And people act like men can't be raped by women, there is more suicide that occurs in Men but guess what there is hardly any support groups for Men. Women should have reproductive rights such as abortion but Men shouldn't be forced to parent either like child support. Egalitarianism is true equality and that is something you can't change.
TalentedActress- Honey i can't help it hurt your feelings I could careless if you feel that i am discriminating and guess what Anyone with disablities i dont call them retarded. I say feminists lack intelligence these days they complain about not being able to go shirtless instead of actually going to countries that need feminism.
Yes, and that is why feminism isen't an egalitarian movement - not any-more if it ever where.
Personally i prefer the word egalitarian instead of feminist but they're fighting for the same thing. Equal rights. However, the name feminist doesn't sound equal to me. I think feminazis consist themselves feminists but they would not really pass for being an egalitarian
"they're fighting for the same thing"... nope, and that's actually the point. Feminists are not fighting for egalitarianism, if they where I would support it.
It doesn't sound equal due to the fact that it is about womens rights which was needed and still is. Egalitarianism is about both genders. You can fight for both genders, but if you believe in womens rights... you are still a Feminist.
Thank you for putting this out there. The real problem is that a lot of men shamelessly deny their even being a problem, so that nothing gets done. I'm not saying it's the most pressing issue facing the world, but on this site, that's dedicated to the relationships of men and women, it's pretty damn relevant.
Im disgusted by women who call themselves feminist, feminist only want to benefit themselves is not really about equal rights anymore they want everything to be their way and do not care about men's opinion, for example if a wife is punching her husband in the face and the husband decides to slap her for self defense he is considered a wife beater but the wife is not considered a husband beater do you see my logic?
Bleh, feminism... sad, frustrated, angry women. I like feminine women, not feminists.
Oh, so just because I'm a feminist I'm not feminine? Interesting, I have never been told that yet
You sound frustrated and angry, maybe even a little sad. LMAO
lol I don't understand feminist woman I guess because I like guys to much 😁😅
What do you mean by feminine?
What a stupid thing to say, i'm a feminist and I get picked on for being too feminine/prissy by my friends and family lol
All the feminsists responding seem to have a chip on their shoulder. Unattractive.
Oh I'm sorry here let us take back our opinions about equality to make us more attractive to you and while we're at it how about a sandwich? Jackass.
And the young generation fo women wonder why men don't want to marry. No one wants a shrill partner. So high and mghty that she refuses to make a sandwich because it undermines her self worth but yet has no issue expecting the man to play the part of a man. Get used to being a single mom. The guys will be content to show up on the kids birthday and have is other girlfriend make him a sandwich.
Feminist: "All men are pigs! Women are equal to men!"
Men = pigs
Women = men
...
Women = pigs?
Of course we hate feminists. They should all be euthanized
You're amazing XD
Extreme man hating feminazis have hijacked true feminism. Believers in true equality need to rename themselves egalitarians & distance themselves from what feminism has become.
Translation: Must jack off feminism, no matter how corrupt, sexist, racist, and vile it's become. Feminism is not equality. Not by a long shot, and it never will be again. Time to abandon the Titanic and find a movement without hate.
I blame the feminazi for tarnishing the image of the benign feminists
I so hate that word. It trivializes the actual suffering of people (Jews, Rroma, homosexual, mentally ill, etc.) during the Holocaust. Please stop using it in relation to extreme radical feminism. Because it's certainly nowhere near as atrocious as gassing innocent people.
@9mfeo I disagree because I'm pretty sure feminazis would send all men to the gas chamber if they could... like I'm actually being serious.
@Song4TheBroken doesn't make it any less offensive or anti-semetic. If all men were ever sent to the gas chambers like the nazis wanted to do with all the jews in the world, we'd survive about a generation or two.
@9mfeo How is it antisemitic? Do you even have a clue what antisemitism is? Calling someone a feminazi is actually using the word nazi as a slur. If it was antisemitic then I'd be using the word nazi as a term of endearment rather than a slur, wouldn't I? And no we wouldn't survive 'a generation or two' if all men in the world suddenly died. Do you know why? Because we have things called sperm banks where a ridiculous amount of sperm can be frozen indefinitely. There's also the fact that (with the current rate technology is progressing) human life expectancy will be extended indefinitely by the end of this generation. So yeah...
@Song4TheBroken I'm Jewish, bro.
@9mfeo That's awesome (I guess?) but what's your point bro?
@Song4TheBroken that Feminazi is an offensive term because I am Jewish.
@9mfeo shut the fuck up.
This is what I think of Feminism lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eYSpIz2FjU