10 Things Feminism Should Be

[stormbreaker06]

Introduction

Feminism should be about being positive, rational and respectful.

All I know about feminism from what I see is that they are aggressive and unfair while promoting this "equality".

I am for women, girls to have "equal" rights as men, boys. I believe no one should be subjected just because they are a women, male, race or religion. Under some circumstances like sports teams, washrooms, boy scouts etc. Then there has to be a fine line to say girls/women can't join boy/men groups everything can't be meshed together. So when feminists say "equality" I find it as a misleading objective.

I for one know generally speaking equality does not exist based on factors like race, religion, gender, economic status, hair color, physical ability, mental capacity and health care the list goes on.

Everyone should have a fair opportunity. Despite living in a society that is inconsistent, subjective and unorganized.

Here are 10 things feminism should be.

1. Feminism should be about uplifting women and girls.

Uplifting women doesn't mean you bash men or indoctrinate boys and girls to hate men.

2. Feminism should be about women building a constructive, safe community

Protesting, rioting all that stuff does nothing. Only makes feminism look bad, unorganized and miseducated.

3. Feminism should be about Respecting that men are different

Men and women are different from each other and there is nothing wrong with that. Nothing can change our differences other than drugs and years of mental illness neglect.

4. Feminism needs to be about realizing women and men are not equal on many factors

Women have skills that men lack and men have skills women lack. For for some skills it may vary. For others we are at the same skill level depending mostly on the individual.

5. Feminism should be about respecting opposite view points

Even with so called touchy subjects feminist are quick to get angry due to someone disagreeing. They should know that not everyone is going to agree and need better ways in handling disagreements.

6. Feminism should mean you have respect for yourself.

Things like slut walks and etc are counter productive. Why not have events where women share their experiences on how they can make each other better. Sure I do agree women should be able to wear whatever they want or lack there of like men (topless in public). But that doesn't mean feminist have to sexualize the promotions or awareness. No civil person can take events like slutwalk seriously.

7. Feminism should be about building productive homes, families and relationships as wife and husband.

With modern feminism being thrown down our throats it does effect families. Due to the fact that marriage and divorce benefits the women, women will abuse marriage to get what they want not caring about who will get hurt.

Many women today are against masculine fathers to a point they feminize their son's and masculate their daughters to be the boss of the house.

8. Feminism should be about educating yourself and knowing your history

Feminism does not promote self-education or education generally. If that were the case then not many feminists would be around. Smart women equate to less modern day feminism.

9. Feminism should not be over exposed in hollywood.

Not saying women shouldn't play certain roles but to gender swap and female reboot movies is overwhelming.

10. Feminism should be about being happy to be women/girl and accepting that men are men and boys will be boys.

Modern feminist look sad, angry and salty. Many work high paying jobs, the best jobs have good husbands yet they still seem so angry at men and create these illusions.

If it's about higher pay then start your own bushiness. If feminism can rally year around then they can spare time plan their own female business as a collective group.

In conclusion.

Maybe I'm 100% wrong and feminism does do all the things I stated above but from what I have seen feminist are aggressive. This means feminists needs to adjust themselves so we can avoid discussions like these that produces to nothing.

I don't hate women. Women are a work of art, they are great care givers, cookers, they provider sufficient emotional support and so much more. Many are great at fixing things, teachers, intelligent, great at using machinery as well as being strong-supportive human beings.

My problem is modern day current extremist feminism. There is nothing wrong with a women running for president or being the boss. Feminism need to change their image, learn how to talk to people respectfully and productively.

With that I say EXCELSIOR!!!!

[loveslongnails]

For many of these, you can remove the word "feminism" and replace it with "Life" or "Living". Obviously, some are more specific for women. #9 however is irrelevant, and #10 seems to espouse accepting that "boys will be boys" whatever THAT may be? That's NOT a good thing at all. #7, you can leave out the "wife and husband" part. Really... do you absolutely "need" the latter to do the former? It's better, I agree, if you have that formula, but having it is no guarantee whatsoever that your family won't be messed up. Not having is no guarantee it will be, either. I think "Feminism" is all about education, support and giving girls (and women) the mindset and tools they "should have" as their birthright, to make their own decisions.

[Danxsarah]

Bravo mate good take

If they had that kind of mindset vs what they have now then maybe they wouldn't be I dont know unwanted by many? No no umm that not it but you know what I'm saying

I believe yes women have done a lot to get to where they are but a lot done it y stepping on other

Or putting down others in the name of feminism

Me equally isn't about gender or who makes more or less

It's about I can help you you can help me your feeling upset I'll make u laugh I'm upset you make laugh

? Unles I'm wrong about that myself

[Anonymous]

I want to address one of your statements. I hear people say this all the time.
“Many women today are against masculine fathers to a point they feminize their son's and masculate their daughters to be the boss of the house.”

What’s the issue if essentially both of those traits are being fulfilled, but just by the opposite gender?

If the woman is a good “boss of the house” and masculine while the husband is feminine and a good support system for the wife, what’s the issue? There’s still a balance!

[Breton_Bates]

My girlfriend is the boss around here.

[AshleyBurotowski]

The point isn't that they fill the roles, it's that they're taught that it's the only way to fill those roles. Teaching a boy sensitivity is one thing but feminizing him is an entire other. Same for girls with strong willed vs masculine.

[englisc]

The issue is that it's unnatural. Masculinity and femininity aren't only socially conditioned, they also come from our natural biological differences. They're influenced by estrogen and testosterone - women naturally having more estrogen, men naturally having more testosterone.

Let's say the woman is more masculine and the man is more feminine - this is bad because those behavioural traits are probably linked with hormonal imbalances. Too much testosterone in a woman is bad - too little testosterone in a man is bad. It's bad for their health, both physically and mentally.

Also, while the hormonal balance affects behaviour - behaviour also affects the hormonal balance. If a man acts in a less masculine way, his testosterone levels drop. If a woman acts in a masculine way, her testosterone rises - leading to that imbalance I mentioned above.

As well, those relationships tend to be less likely to work out. When you go against nature you're more likely to lose.

[AshleyBurotowski]

See, this dude gets it.

[Opinion Owner]

@englisc what are the specific adverse effects of behaving in a way that aligns with your personality though? Can I have some examples? I see this argument all the time and I can never get a clear response.

[Opinion Owner]

@englisc you claim that behaving a certain way influences your hormone balances but actually it’s the opposite. Your hormone balance influences your behavior.

[Opinion Owner]

@englisc but let’s say you’re right for arguments sake. That behaviors you exhibit naturally/your personality somehow changes your hormones. You’re saying that a person should force themselves to behave in a way that will somehow change their hormone balance instead of behaving in the way they naturally are?

[englisc]

Like I said, hormonal balance influences you behaviour and it also is influenced by behaviour - it isn't a question of either/or.

It's the same with for example the happy hormone dopamine. You smile because you're happy, but smiling itself can also trigger the release of dopamine.

The same goes with testosterone. Dominant behaviour is influenced by testosterone, and engaging in dominant behaviour increases testosterone. For example there have been studies done where the participants act a role for example of a boss firing an employee - the actors playing the boss experienced increased testosterone from acting dominant.

What I'm actually suggesting is that if the woman is masculine and the man is feminine, they've probably been influenced by feminism itself to be that way, and it's unnatural.

[Opinion Owner]

@englisc okay let's just say you're right, your hormones become all unbalanced if you behave "masculine" as a woman and "feminine" as a man (oh no!). I'll make it simple... How is behaving "unnaturally" in a biological sense bad for anyone? Especially if it aligns with your personality and comes naturally to YOU?

[englisc]

It's bad firstly because the hormonal imbalance is bad for your health, both mentaly and physically, whether or not you realise it. For example low testosterone in a man is linked with lack of ability to lose excess fat, lack of physical strength, diabetes, osteoporosis, low libido, infertility, erectile dysfunction, anxiety, depression, and many more issues. The same goes for high testosterone in women.

It doesn't come naturally. In our culture today women are encouraged to act more like men and men are encouraged to act more like men. I think that's why people become that way, not because it's in their nature. If it were in their nature these effects wouldn't be seen.

[Opinion Owner]

@englisc so you are saying that naturally dominant women/submissive men have health issues (relating to their hormones)? Because of their personality? Is this supported by actual facts or just personal opinion? Can you post a reliable source that proves this? That is biggest reach I’ve ever heard in my life.

[englisc]

I'm saying that there's no such thing as a naturally dominant woman or a naturally submissive man in the first place. The clues are in our biological differences. Show me an animal species where the dominant sex is smaller and less physically strong than the opposite sex. There are species that are matriarchal, for example hyenas - female hyenas are bigger than the males. Nature gives the dominant sex a natural size and strength advantage.

I'll try to find the studies I'm speaking of later. I don't think it's a reach, all you have to do is notice the patterns in all of the studies and see how they interlink. The effects of testosterone vs low testosterone are well-known and easy to find, but I think today people are so obsessed with gender equality that they ignore the biological differences so much, to the point where things that used to be and still should be common sense are no longer obvious to most people.

[Murie]

@englisc Nothing in human biology supports your viewpoint. Gender roles are taught by culture, not biology. The only thing a male MUST do is make sperm. The only thing a female MUST do is make eggs. Every other single thing is culturally determined. Don't believe me? Read about gender roles in matriarchal societies. It's all learned.

[englisc]

@Murie

Yes it does. Those who say that gender roles are entirely a result of social conditioning usually only say so because they'd prefer that this was the case, usually because they're feminists. In reality it's a bit of both - some of it is learned, but those roles come from our biological differences. Matriarchy is unnatural, and because of this it creates a weak society. The more successful societies are always patriarchal.

[AD240pCharlie]

@Murie There are certain gender norms that are only social and influenced by society, but natural selection and evolution still provided us with quite a lot of them.
Other than that, I've agreed with everything you said, so I'm not against you, I'm just pointing out one thing you got wrong.

[Anonymous]

I thought this was going to be stupid but I actually completely agree.

Lack of these factors is why I left feminism. Too many of them deny gender differences. I think Biblical Christianity is much more realistic and respectful to women and considerate of their needs. (Even the so-called offensive passages are actually good if taken into context of the entire Bible.)

[ATuairiscean]

You use the phrase "Maybe I'm a 100% wrong" - It could apply to all of us on subjective topics like this - You are entitled to your view - I agree with a good bit of your take but it went a bit too traditional for me in parts - There are some valid points to be made by things like "Slut Walks" but on the other hand if a couple want a nice hetero nuclear family, 2.4 children a labrador with a submissive housewife/mother go for it though you have to acknowledge there are plenty of other variations to this scenario and let people live the way they want once it doesn't interfere with you unfairly.

[Anonymous]

I just read someone trying to very carefully tell women why they shouldn't be feminists and should accept the status quo. Separate but not equal, and don't forget to respect guys while you're at it, capisce? Hey, you're welcome to your POV... good luck sharing those thoughts exactly as you go through life. The more you meet men and women that have been around the world a bit, the more you're going to realize how unfair this double standard is. Feminism is about not denigrating "feminine" qualities, and men have feminine qualities, too. It's good for all genders to treat traditionally masculine qualities with as much value as you would feminine qualities. Feminism is no more than that.

[Anonymous]

Ex-freaking-actly. While I'm not a feminist myself, I do think it's needed but not in the US, in other countries, definitely. Modern feminism has lost all its traditional meaning and it's quite sad how some (not all) feminists act now. Nice take.

[CubsterShura]

Nice take! Be careful with the 'boys will be boys' statement though. It could mean a lot of things and people use it as more of an excuse for guys to be jerks.

[A-man-22]

Feminism needs to respect and allow, a 'meninism' to exist.

I'm fine with women wanting to support other women but it's not an excuse to take a tear at men.

What would really show that Feminism cares about equality is that if it encourages men to help eachother and form a group similar to Feminism but for men.

[Limelime]

I didn't realise that you fear for your life when you're in a room full of women? Or that you can't interject into a conversation to say something because your voice is at a different octave to women so people just pretent you don't exist?

We as men don't need this menism, that's what society is for... these days women have voices (politically) and have human rights in the workplace. Modern Feminism is about giving women equal pay and equal social opportunities.

[Benedek38]

@Limelime "fear for your life when you're in a room full of women? "
They could claim I sexually assaulted them. I'd surely go to jail.

[A-man-22]

Limelime, while you may be fine many other men suffer from sexism and unfair rights.

Modern Feminism is about women's rights.
That is very different from equality.
They will never help men.
Feminazis isn't equality it's female equality.
They will help women become equal but as soon as someone suggests that maybe men don't have as many rights as women , in some areas , they could care less.

I have spoken to many guys on here who have had their life ruined because their wives couldn't keep their vows.

Divorce laws, rape laws and mental health are all problems that men face, we do need 'meninism' so we can have a movement that helps men's rights.

[DJZest]

For one thing, women need to stop trying to act like men and pose like men.

They especially need to learn how to love themselves as being women, including their higher-pitched voice.

Girls, stop trying to lower your voice artificially and making use of glottal fry. It sounds unnatural and, frankly, ugly.

[Leafpool2]

"not being a woman's top priority at all times does me the real big frighten :C"

[ImagineInsanity]

Love this take! If this was what feminism was, I'd be more inclined to call myself one :)

[passinby]

You should work for the ministry of propaganda. Good job.

[wankiam]

haven't you seen the news today?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htGAdlkStv8

[Anonymous]

There is only one thing that feminism should be: DEAD. It achieved its primary goal, women are not only equal, but far more privileged in the western society than men are, yet feminism is now raging more than ever. It achieved its original goals (the only good part of feminism) a long time ago, it ran its course and it should be dead and gone. Instead, its literally a misandrist movement with hiding behind the name of feminists

[Murie]

Tell me one privilege women have that men do not.

[Opinion Owner]

@Murie every court dispute about children will always be tilted in the mother's favor, unless she is completely incompetent to live by herself. the father can be perfect in all criteria, but if the mother is at least capable of functioning normally, the law will give her custody over the child. and a billion more examples, but you just asked for one

[Celtero]

@Murie Women are sentenced to less time for the same crimes as men.

Women don't have to register for the draft.

Women have more scholarships and affirmative action programs for them.

Men are more likely to be victims of violence by strangers.

Men commit suicide 5x as much as women.

Men make up 90+% of workplace fatalities.

Men make up 95%+ of combat fatalities

Women win more custody than men.

Men pay 95%+ of alimony.

Men create more tax revenue, women use more tax revenue than they create.

Men don't have male role models or leaders, as most teachers are female. It's been shown female teachers grade boys more critically than girls.

Those are just some off the top of my head.

[Bluemax]

Points 3 and 4 seem redundant to me.

As for "boys will be boys," what exactly do you mean by that?

[Logorithim]

Good Take- These are all things that can be done at the individual Level, so are within a person's Control.

[Breton_Bates]

Another man who wants to say what feminism ought to be about. Smh.

[AshleyBurotowski]

Ah, Another smug man who wants say who can and can't interpret a definition. Smh.

[CuChullan]

Two 'My Takes" on feminism i've read on GAG today. This my take as ignorant as the other on actual feminism. Every point you made has nothing to do with actual feminist issues.

[MisterAnon69]

I think he’s referring to 4th wave feminism as opposed to traditional feminism.

[ROCKS128]

Actually the heading should be
Points most femimists will never do!😂😂😂😂
Why?
Luckily it's upto them to decide😝😝

[Browneye57]

Fuck that. You're a guy - give up on talking about women stuff. Seriously.
There is NOTHING in feminism for men. Absolutely nothing.

[Murie]

When men rip other men apart for partaking of "women's"work, that's when feminism would help them. The only reason TO rip guys apart for child rearing, nurturing, etc, is because those roles are seen as lower profile and lower value, ergo embarrassing for men to have or do. If we valued women's traditional roles as much as men's traditional roles (remember, it takes a village), men would have a lot less stress and less suicide, because they could do what they needed to do to be happy... work in ways they are good at, and wouldn't lose face in doing so. Men need feminism so that they can be complete human beings and not feel they must hide some of their thoughts and feelings for fear of ridicule for being "feminine."

[Browneye57]

@Murie "Men need feminism so that they can be complete human beings"
This pure horseshit. You couldn't be more far from the truth. Oh well.

[clampfan101]

Just have both genders treat both genders the same. Have the main difference simply be which you love, not which you like.

[MelaninDoll]

WHY CAN'T EVERY FEMINIST HAVE YOUR MINDSET?

[Murie]

Then they wouldn't be feminists. This is a masculinist, to a T, mindset. They just worded it very carefully to get all the females, eager for male approval, on board. Feminism is good for everyone, including guys that don't deserve to be called pssy for having emotion, or weak for taking care of their kids. It never has been a dirty word.

[MelaninDoll]

@Murie uh no.

[maco10]

@Murie You may think that feminism is good for everybody, but I hate to break it to you that there are many people in this new wave of feminists that are just wrong. Not all but many. Here is one example of somebody seriously saying "kill all men." www.inc.com/.../...olution-is-to-kill-all-men.html . Even if there was only a joke, could you imagine if some guy wrote something in a major publication That said "kill all women". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWrOTYewwiE . It's a political movement. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUXY8QKHyoo

[xEmmorixX]

Well feminism isn't truly the problem it's some of the females behind it that are the issue.