Feminism and Men

[EnigmaStigma]

It seems some of you guys out there have no idea what it really means to be a "feminist" or "feminist ally" so I would like to clear up some common misconceptions I keep seeing.

1. First and foremost, being a feminist ally and being an effeminate man are not the same thing. Being a girly guy does not somehow make you understand women's problems any better than any other guy.

2. When we say we want equality in the workplace we mean equal pay as men in the same jobs when we are equally qualified. We also want our SO to do their fair share around the house, with the kids, etc. We do NOT mean we want you to sit on your a** all day while we work fulltime. Equality means equality, it doesn't mean reverse 50s stereotypes (which WE did not perpetuate, by the way.)

3. Stop trying to push your desire to be sexually submissive as your intention to "understand women better." This is akin to me putting on blackface in an attempt to "understand what it's like to be black." No amount of crossdressing or "catching" instead of "pitching" could ever make you understand what it's like being a woman. And it is extremely offensive if you actually believe it ever could.

4. Stop trying to play feminist to get laid or pity. A true femme can smell a faux ally a mile away, don't waste your time.

These are things I keep seeing over and over again and honestly I'm unsure which is worse between faux feminism and patriarchy itself. Feel free to disagree or offer another opinion.

[Anonymous]

I have yet to see an honest, real representation of Number 2 in developed countries. That seems to be a now-outdated argument for feminism.

I don't think you should have used "femme" as a shorthand for feminism, because "femme", you know, means feminine. It does not mean feminism.

Overall, I like this take. I would like to add that even feminists disagree. Some feminists are pro-choice; other feminists are pro-life. Planned Parenthood has a lot of pro-choice feminist people. Some feminists are pro-pornography; others are against it.

[Waffles731]

I am a feminist, I simple support equality for all,
nothing more nothing less

[Homebakedcookies]

So you're egalitarian.

[Princess_Stardust]

Actions speak louder than words.

[Riggers]

You know, There have been thousands, Literally fucking thousands, of surveys and studies, Carried out by the most respectable universities and colleges, All throughout the US.

And literally every single fucking one has concluded that the ''Pay gap'' is a myth. That 70% all you ''femmes'' constantly fucking rave on about, IS AN AVERAGE OF ALL MEN AND ALL WOMEN'S ANNUAL PAY.
It DOES NOT take into account the fact that A) Men on average work longer hours, So their number will be higher
B) Women on average take more time off work (Biggest factor is pregnancy leave). C) Men on average choose higher paying careers, Such as Engineering, Whilst most women go into the likes of Education / Social work. (And before you say, ''Its not fair how engineering makes more!!'', Shhh., There is absolutely NOTHING stopping women going into those careers, It is merely the choice of women.

I mean, If it came down to it, What is a 19 year old girl more likely to WANT to study in college, Aerospace Engineering or some fucking Photography / Art / Design course? Exactly... And i'm afraid its just a simple fact, That someone who studies a 10 year or so, extremely hard Engineering course is going to make more money then someone who spends 2 years drawing butterflies and taking pictures of their starbucks cups...

This picture rings some truth -
https://i.imgur.com/5VeXlLp.jpg

Seriously, Women and Men DO get payed the same for the SAME job. If women got paid less, The entire fucking worlds workforce would be women, Surely? Thing of all the money CEO's would save...

The difference is, Women just make less as a collective gender per year. Face it, most women naturally WANT easier jobs (That also means less pay, Before you call me a Pig for saying that, Tell me, How many women work in say... A physical job like construction? Less than 1%?)

If Feminists and women, So fucking desperately want that ''70 cents'' thing to be the same as mens (Even though its completely fucking irrelevent), Then here is how you do it

1) Stop blaming men for it and accusing them of ''Oppressing you''.
2) Study a demanding college course with actual high job prospects, That means no 'Art', no 'Childcare', no 'Socialcare'...
3) Get a high demanding job with after said course which secures you higher pay.
4) Work as long hours as most men
5) Take as little holidays as most men
6) Party, Now that you can finally be happy, That 'feminists have solved the nonexistant fucking issue of the, Ahem, ''Pay gap'' '

[EnigmaStigma]

I really have to give you an A for effort on this. You managed to rant and be articulate at the same time which is impressive for someone who is only 17. Bravo kid but lay off "fucking" so much, it detracts from your points and makes you sound too angry.

[Riggers]

I am angry... Im sick off saying this same shit on every single god damn take that every single feminist makes on this site about pay gaps... here's just one for example

www.girlsaskguys.com/.../a11228-gender-equality-where-it-is-isn-t-appropriate

Is it in the ''Feminist rule book'' that one must constantly spew the same endlessly busted lies about gender pay?, I am not directly having a go at you here, I am just sick to death of reading the same things over and over and over and over, And you know what, If they true i wouldn't care, But the fact that is just endles lies after lies is very annoying.

[FakeName123]

"I am angry... Im sick off saying this same shit on every single god damn take that every single feminist makes on this site about pay gaps... here's just one for example"

That's why you create word-files and copy&paste, brah.

[Cjanes]

I am a carpenter and about 10% of construction workers are Wemon. Though most of us go into industrial work instead of residential construction because small construction companies prefer not to hire Wemon because it's hard labour. Most your rant was pretty good though.

[Cjanes]

Because a lot of us go into industrial is probably why you don't see as many Wemon construction workers when you are just going about

[Riggers]

@Cjanes

I've been working as a carpenter/joiner for about 3 years now, And been on dozens, If not at least a hundred different jobs in that time, And never, Have i ever seen a female working on a site.

For my first year i was working in workshops (What i assume you call industry as appose to residential?), And, Never saw one in there either.

Even the college im studying carpentry at, There are 3 years of 2 groups studying it, And about 15 people per group, Thats like 90 people, And not a single one is a girl.

Maybe thats just where you live (Cultural difference or something idk), But, When i wrote that i was talking about where i live.

( www.theguardian.com/.../where-are-all-the-women-why-99-of-construction-site-workers-are-male )

Even so, 99% or 90% male, The point stands, Women naturally tend to avoid careers like that, Which due to the high physicality, are often better paid then say, A woman who goes into social care (And this is why a 'Pay gap' exists).

[Cjanes]

Industrial I define as oil rigs, power plants and the like. Anything that it takes a decade to build or more. Like I work on the Hebron project which is building an offshore oil rig. I'm from Canada if that makes any difference. I do get what you are saying though

[Toad-1]

@Cjanes Why do you keep spelling it 'wemon?'

[Anonymous]

Just a heads up... You all have equal pay. The equal pay act from 50 years ago made that a law which would put many companies in lots of hot water if they broke as well as companies would only hire women and save a fortune because hell why would they pay more for equal work if they didn't have to.

The house work thing is even more hilarious since men work more hours on average, and take less time off, more often have a more labor intense jobs, then are expected to do ALL household grunt work, and on top still want more of the typically female tasks partitioned off. Even though men these days do a fair share of those already.
www.bowdoin.edu/.../men-women-chart.jpg
If equality means equal (which it does for only non feminist)... Women would have to work more actual work hours, men could work less, then the house hold chores could be more evenly separated.

In regards to us understanding a woman... how about feminist stop trying to pretend they know what it's like to be a man, or shutting down men who point out how hard it actually is not having any of the infinite assistance, protection, freedoms, and abilities women have. It's like pretending you were in Auschwitz so you can claim to understand how horrible the holocaust was. "It's extremely offensive"

Stop shaming and attacking any and all those who disagree with your ideology as pigs, creeps, rapist, scum, perverts, misogynists... since being able to critically see the evils of an ideology doesn't instantly make someone any of those. A true intelligent can smell bullshit a mile away, so don't waste your time.

These are things I keep seeing over and over again and honestly I'm unsure which is worse between a feminist who believes the patriarchy is real, or a bitch who actually knows better but refuses to acknowledge their ideology is bullshit because it helps them get away with being awful human beings.

[Humping_Tornadoes]

The "gender" wage gap is a myth that has been rebuked and proved hundreds and hundreds of times. Christina Hoff Sommers, an Economist who also happens to be a feminist even confirmed herself that workers have equal pay and that gaps in salaries come from other different reasons (far from gender).

And that's exactly the reason why economists don't take this matter serious, because they know exactly where the figures are coming from. In a nutshell, if women earned less that men (considering all jobs), men would be bankrupt and no one would hire them. Feminists fail to see the logic in this, and you do not understand capitalism. For me, it's THAT simple.

What it bothers me though, is that people like yourself don't do their homework and say things like these out of their asses. In the only thing I can agree on is on male idiots pretending to be feminists, and just as I would have imagined not even the feminists want them there. It's quite ironic this whole thing.

Feminists have run out of arguments and feminism is going to crash hard, and I can't wait to see when that happens.

Feminism in a nutshell...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWJT0egzAy0

[AleDeEurope]

How dare you bring logic into a Feminist article!!! F****** misogynist, I bet you invented all that "logic" you talking about to oppress women!!!

I feel like many women support feminism cause they have a vagina and think it's the right thing to do, that's why you see many of them saying stuff that's completely wrong, and they don't realize it's just harming the whole movement. How can people take seriously a movement that is basically giving out false information?
I'd be a firm supporter of Feminism if they actually fought for what they say they fight for.

[Humping_Tornadoes]

@AleDeEurope If feminists presented themselves as a movement made to monitor or make sure that current laws for women won't change, then I'd be probably a feminist myself. No feminist says a damn thing about marital laws, which obviously favor women. If marital laws got corrected or written from scratch in the way that women don't get the upper hand (in convenience of the state, since these laws are made for profit for the state), then basically women and men would be equal in front of the law, which would be the point of being an egalitarian, men and women judged the same at the hands of the system.

[Toad-1]

Typical how the take owner doesn't reapond to this, she's probably conveniently ignoring you

[EnigmaStigma]

Actually I was conveniently ignoring you toadie. Seriously though as I've said before we could argue statistics all day long because there are plenty on both sides. Men say there is no wage gap for women kinda like for whites there is no race problem in this country, but blacks see it differently. Funny video though.

[Humping_Tornadoes]

@Toad-1 You certainly got her attention lol

@myTake Owner There are no different statistics whatsoever, it's just that the "interpretation" of feminists is painfully superficial and mediocre, with no basis whatsoever. No Economist in their right minds will admit any sort of "gender" gap because they know where the figures are coming from and because this claim comes from activists and progressive politicians. When you find an Economist defending this myth then I will be open to listen to it, until then, your last statement there is nothing more than rubbish, complete bullshit.

I'm not even proposing to analyze figures here lol. I'm presented an argument with logic and you failed to counter it. It seems no matter how many times we use facts on feminists you turn deaf ears and either try to silent down men using victimization or simply turn your backs on them.

[EnigmaStigma]

I wasn't turning a deaf ear or playing the victim, just pointing out situations I see all too often. And AGAIN, never said I personally was a feminist, I'm honestly just sick of men (and some women) who play feminist to get what they want, whether it be an easy lay, an excuse not to work, or begging to be bent over with a strapon. The list goes on!

[BeautifulWreck]

This entire post you have preached about equality, all while telling men to stop trying to understand women. Hence, stripping their privilege away of them ever being equal. This is part of the reason why I am not a feminist.

The wage gap is not a thing. Its been proven so many different times by multiple different people (feminists included).

Sexual submission also has nothing to do with feminism. Anyone who says different needs to do their research.

I must say I am extremely disappointed with you. I am not a feminist and will never stand behind a feminist movement and I still know more about feminism than you do (or at least with what you have underlined as the big issues that truly do not exist or have nothing to do with feminism at all).

If you want equality, you have to first allow men to try to understand what "women's issues" are. Though I think men have it harder. However, you are trying to make them give up. That is not equality. That is, once again, women's rights. Which is indeed what feminism is.

[EnigmaStigma]

I never said "stop trying to understand women" I simply said being effeminate does not give you a better understanding of women nor will taking it up the a**.

[MilkyAmy]

Smart girl right here lovely comment

[BeautifulWreck]

@MilkyAmy thank you!

[heavensgift2girls]

"It seems some of you guys out there have no idea what it really means to be a feminist" No, you seem to have no idea what it really means to be a feminist. Feminism has nothing to do with equality, and everything to do with promoting women's issues whether or not the issues are issues of equality. That is the issue men are having with feminism.

1. This pretty much proves that feminism is only about female issues no matter what issues they guy also has with not being able to break out of gender roles. Being an effeminate man is not acceptable do to cultural pressures, which is what it is like for a woman to not be accepted for having masculine traits. As long as they claim to be a movement for equality, they will look hypocritical for not thinking men being stuck in gender stereotypes isn't just as important as women being stuck in gender stereotypes.

2. Women are actually already out earning men in many fields. This has more to do with life choices rather than discrimination. This has been proven for decades in the west. If you actually thought about it logically you would realize how dumb it is to think the pay gap was real. If the pay gap was real employers would only want to hire women.

3. A man not having the ability to be sexually submissive is the equivalent to women fighting for the right to be sexually aggressive without wanting to be judged for it. Or how women thought it was sexist to not be allowed to wear men's clothing no that long ago. This is a clear double standard. Discrimination is just as hard on men, as it is on women. Your refusal to understand that is proof that feminists are not concerned with equality.

4. Finally something we can agree on. If anything acting too quick to want to please women, will actually turn women off, because it makes the guy look like desperate. This also means there is no reason to pretend to support feminism since it won't improve our chances with women.

[NerdInDenial]

I find it interesting how things like race or gender related topics can not be discussed because the only people who have "legitimate" opinions are those who actually are of that race or gender. "Men can't support or advocate women's issues, and they can't understand because they are not women." Nowhere does this logic apply. Can only military people make legitimate opinions on national defense? No, people still opine on which direction the military should go. Isn't this more of a cult? This form of thinking leads to censorship.

The Wage gap issue is another interesting subject. If women made less money than men for the same work, why aren't more women hired? From an economic standpoint, it would make sense to hire all women if that were true. However, if you look at what women and men want in life, that presents a different story.

An article from Ms. Ketterer is the co-founder and chief executive officer of Causeway Capital Management about the Wage gap myth.
www.wsj.com/.../the-wage-gap-myth-that-wont-die-1443654408

[EnigmaStigma]

I agree 100% with what you said about legitimacy of opinions, and my intention was not to say men can't have one regarding feminism. I'm saying DO IT FOR THE RIGHT REASONS. Not just because you want to normalize behavior others consider feminine. Just google "I need feminism because..." from a male standpoint, you'll get it.

[NerdInDenial]

I don't need feminism.

[EnigmaStigma]

Lmao ok then

[Mekkalyn]

The word feminism in itself is sexist.

I do not agree with the person in this article, rather the brother she is talking about.
www.insidehighered.com/.../%E2%80%9Cfeminist%E2%80%9D-sexist-word

If feminists TRULY wanted equality, they would be egalitarians, which are people that want equal rights for everyone.

Clearly this word favors females, so it is no surprise that they have a female agenda to push. They will not fight for men. Their name makes that very clear. They want only to bring women up to the standards of men in the areas they are lacking, and ignore the areas where women have an advantage and men lack. If that happens, women will be treated the best and have more privileges, and it'll be like any other -ism.

You can read the article for yourself and form your own opinion on it. I had an interesting time reading the comments. A comment in particular by Horn, D hit the nail on the head for me. It's about halfway down if anyone is interested :)

[TimeSplitters123]

Im am egalitarian

[Tarvold]

1. You're confusing a bunch of issues there. First, men have known for centuries that it is impossible to understand women. We don't make this a secret. Second, fuck you for shaming men with feelings. Men have had to buckle down and pretend that their feelings don't exist for thousands of years. Don't wave this bullshit equality flag around if you're not prepared to accept that there are some ways in which men have been oppressed that need to be "equalized" too.

2a. Fine. Equal opportunity for equal work for equal pay. Totally agree. Now lets cut all those special provisions for women to get jobs just to fill an "equality quota", and make pay performance based across the board. While we're at it, lets cut women only scholarships and make all scholarships merit based. Lets start a movement to give pay rises to male strippers, male prostitutes, equal opportunity for male receptionists, etc, etc.

2b. Take a look at the upcoming class of graduates, interns and people about to start their career. There is a HUGELY disproportionate representation of women who out earn men. Equality means equality right? You might not have perpetuated the 50s stereotypes during the second wave of feminism, but you have been for the past 10 years.

3. Equality means equality. Men deserves equal rights to be dead fishes in bed. Deal with it.

4. So you're saying that a "true femme" can't feel pity? Are you admitting that you are incapable of empathy?

It explains so much...

[JustAnotherPassenger]

That's the worst picture you could use, Anita Sarkeesian is part of the dark side of feminism, she straight out lied on many occasions and it is just like making a topic about race using nazi propaganda or claim homosexuality is evil using a bible as "proof".

The biggest reason people dislikes feminism and many straight-out leftists distance themselves from it, is because it doesn't call out their own nutjobs:

https://youtu.be/FW-69xXD734

Note: I do not like the person who made this mash up, this was just the first video I found linking both of those claims.

You may think, why does it matter? Aside from being the person in that picture you used, Anita Sarkeesian generated an entire outrage for her conscious deceptive discourse and those of her kind are probably responsible for any non-conservative individual's disliking feminism.

Look at this:

https://youtu.be/zEecmC_sVIs

Feminist will keep getting a negative reception by a lot of non-conservatives until you stand up against your own nutjobs and put them in their place, the same way you don't see even the craziest conservative politician in Alex Jone's show. The media shouldn't just greenlight everything with a certain label, that's not press, and nowhere in the press these "feminists" have been invited have they been questioned in any way.

[Stephen10]

The wage gap is a feminist myth that keeps getting repeated. It's illegal to pay a woman less than a man for the same job. In fact, I use to work with a female who did the same job as me, yet for some reason she got paid more. The reason men end up with more is because more men tend to do dangerous jobs and work away from home longer, and very often women leave the workforce to be full time mothers. That's why men tend to make more money. But women still get paid the same as a man for doing the same job. But they don't tell women this. They brainwash women into thinking that men get paid more for doing the same job and thus convince women that feminism is still needed. It's a lie. Feminism was actually funded by the Rockefellers for the purpose of destroying marriage and family. Nick Rockefeller admitted to it. Look it up and research it for yourself. Feminism is a cult that promotes lies and sexism. You can't fool men forever. Men are quickly waking up to the lie of feminism, and so are many women.

[genericname85]

First: i´m not a misogynist nor am i strictly opposed to "everything" that feminists say BUT feminism has no "official" agenda so basically everybody (like you) who says anything about "what feminism really means" has nothing to really base their arguments upon.

Second: i don´t disrespect people for being feminist i just think theyre not up to date in allmost 100% of the cases because:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oqyrflOQFc

(watch it so i don´t have to recite it)

Third:
we need a male right movement now! men are oppressed. we are not allowed to be men anymore. our nature has become socially unacceptable. we have to surpress our sexuality in order to be less "annoying" to you girls.
men are still responsible for everything (if the women so chooses) and if that was not enough, we are basically disadvantaged in most laws.
i mean have you ever see a man getting payed alimony from his ex wife?
have you ever seen a man winning the right to raise a child alone after divorce?
feminism has gone far enough. we men need some help now!

[lumos]

"We do NOT mean we want you to sit on your a** all day while we work fulltime."
Actually equality = the freedom to choose whatever you want for yourself. So if someone wants to sit on their ass all day, that is their choice. However you also get to choose if you want to support someone like that, or not. If a guy wants to be a stay at home dad while his partner works, then that's completely fine, given that the income is enough and that the partner agrees to it. That's equality. The freedom to choose.

[EnigmaStigma]

@lumos agreed. I never said i view housewives as people who sit on their asses all day, I was only trying to point out that when I hear men speak about it the general idea is "i would LOVE if my wife/gf would be the breadwinner so i could play (insert popular game here) all day. That would be great bruh!!" My point is being the domestic worker still involves WORK. But i agree equality means freedom to choose but again it does not mean women want to support men just because they want equality.

[lumos]

Of course not, like I said, the partner still gets to choose if they want to be the breadwinner or not.

[Berethor]

It's not "understand women problems", it's "understand feminists problems", feminists are not even the majority of women, and many feminists didn't have problem with trying to degrade women who don't agree with them. The first-wave feminism is the only one that truly make an sense, while many modern feminists are simply like to bitch about everything and find excuses to hate men.

en.wikipedia.org/.../First-wave_feminism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1oYtp1iO7A

[RationalMale]

I have to ask it.

do you have a link showing that women get paid less then male coworkers with the same education and experience, working the same job?

if you're comparing some lawyer or an engineer to women who majored in English or childhood education, pretty sure there will be wage difference.

but can you actually show that men get paid more than female coworkers with the same experience level/education doing the same job?

personally.. i think anyone who believes men would pay more to make the workplace a sausage fest has serious issues.

[Dubhlann]

US Department of Labor - blog.dol.gov/2012/06/07/myth-busting-the-pay-gap/

Politifact - Women make 77cents for every dollar a man makes - Mostly true - www.politifact.com/.../

As with any data, you'll find some supporting this claim and some not supporting it. What data and who's interpretation of the data you choose to accept is usually dependent on what outcome you're searching for.

[RationalMale]

I guess it really depends, some sources indicate young women are out young earning men on average. www.theguardian.com/.../women-in-20s-earn-more-men-same-age-study-finds @Dubhlann

[Dubhlann]

Well that's the UK and not the US. But again... you can find statistics to back up any point of view.

[EnigmaStigma]

I agree with both of you. There are always stats to show it both ways so we could argue forever about it and still get nowhere fast.

[Transigence]

Remember, whenever a feminist says other people have these "misconceptions," that's a lie. When people criticize feminism or feminists about their religious beliefs, it's exactly that, CRITICISM, not a misunderstanding. You can say that feminism is "all about equality," but we can plainly see that it is not. So when we say, "feminism has nothing to do with equality," it's not a misconception, we've been watching you for over a century now. It's legit criticism.

As for male allies, you go on ahead and blast away. You're doing our work for us.

[MyMintFrappe]

"Stop trying to push your desire to be sexually submissive as your intention to 'understand women better.' This is akin to me putting on blackface in an attempt to 'understand what it's like to be black'."

Are you saying men must be dominant sexually and women must be submissive sexually? If they're lying about their reason behind being sexually submissive that's on thing but they have a right to be sexually submissive as much as we do.

[EnigmaStigma]

That was not what I meant so I do apologize for that. I was not trying to say only women are sexual submissives, I was trying to point out that too many men use feminism when trying to explain behavior that is a fetish, and has nothing to do with women's rights.

[MyMintFrappe]

Yeah I get that. Sexual preference is just that nothin else. I agree.

[Anonymous]

Sorry but the wage gap isn't real. It depends on your career choice, how many hours you work, experience and so many other factors. Men usually work 14% more and are more likely to have more dangerous jobs so thats another reason. We have something called the equal pay act where its already illegal to pay someone less just because of their gender or race.

[Humping_Tornadoes]

It didn't occur to me mentioning the pay act in any of my last discussions. Thank you for bringing this up too, I'll make sure to mention it whenever I have to.

[Anonymous]

1. Cheers for the first point. Completely agree. I have to listen to that one all the time.

2. This point is pretty much achieved in all the western world. It is also illegal to discriminate anyone in terms of salary due to gender etc (although this is only invoked for women and minorities).

3. I see how this could be annoying. Not sure how I feel about you apparently considering submissiveness something innately female.

4. Getting you.

Now as for why feminism gets so much of a hard time: There's too many rotten eggs in the basket. We're talking representatives, arguments and alike. Just like the gender pay gap you're playing at - that doesn't really exist in any one given profession. Can't we just be pro-equality again?

[EnigmaStigma]

I very much agree that pro-equality would be a great solution in a perfect world. Ours is far from perfect though and there are still many people in power, and not just politicians, who would love nothing more than to see us all barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen again with no other options. But I agree there are many rotten eggs and that is tough to deal with and also very frustrating.

[Anonymous]

Women have more rights than men in the western world, being a women is easier:

There was a woman, Norah Vincent (she WAS a feminist), who went disguised as a man for 18 months to prove that men have it easier. After 18 months she was severely depressed and had been taken to the hospital and she said: "I've never been so happy to be a woman"

[Opinion Owner]

Quote from her:

I really like being a woman. ... I like it more now because I think it's more of a privilege.
— Norah Vincent

[M_A_X]

It's funny that feminists always dislike posts but never have anything to actually say or contribute. I think that's what is defined as "A hater"

[Opinion Owner]

@M_A_X Lol I just noticed the downvotes (didn't went back to the opinion). Why would they downvote a fact? Why? Is it because their 'feelings' about the subject aren't right?
Yes lol, what could they do to contribute? Bring in their 'feelings' of how that woman could've been posessed by an evil spirit or something?

[EnigmaStigma]

Omg you two men on G@G do the EXACT same thing, downvote everything they don't agree with. So I guess feminists and all the effeminate men on this site do indeed have something in common. Getting asshurt easily.

[ArtDent]

@ myTake Owner your usage of the phrase 'asshurt' perpetuates rape culture.

[Anonymous]

1. True.

2. All true though I disagree that what you describe is what feminism actually will produce.

3. That's weird. If someone does that, it's odd. I'm submissive and I'm not a feminist.

4. If girls really could spot every man pretending to be something to get laid, birth rates would drop dramatically. :P

[ArtDent]

Nah women want to get laid more than men do.