Why SJWs Do More Harm Than Good

[Jehovahkiin]

Take Trump for example, he is a direct response to the foolishness revolving around third wave feminism, questionable declarations that racism exists and exists in a form that is directly oppressive to those 'marginalized' populations. He appeals to a considerable portion of the population that are sick of being politically correct whilst simultaneously having holier than thou regressive imbeciles tell them how sexist and bigoted they're being.

Staring at a girl's ass does not constitute "stare rape". It is simply acting on inherent biological urges, which have no bearing on infringing the fundamental rights of said individual. She may feel embarrassed and maybe even awkward, but that is far from being sexually oppressed/and or assaulted.

Feminists (I'll refer to Third Wave Feminists as 'feminists' from now on) tell us of the notion of "rape culture", a non-existent concept that exists only in the vacuous minds of radical regressive feminists, (whom often times also insist on the idea that American girls have the same degree of oppression as girls from Saudi Arabia (or what have you)). When statistical data indicates to the contrary:

Numbers of female rape victims have declined dramatically in the last 50 years or so, domestic violence is hardly a misogynistic issue considering that men suffer more domestic abuse than women (and I'm not talking about 3-5% more, I'm talking about several times more). Men receive far longer prison sentences than women, for the same crime. You kind of get the picture, put two and two together and you'd notice that these accusations are mere fabrications and don't match up with tangible reality.

SJW consensus dictate that women who clutch their handbags tighter around a group of black teenagers are considered inherently racist. That indictment actually sounds spot-on on paper, but many things sound good on paper don't actually pair up with reality. This notion doesn't contribute to anything meaningful or the least bit helpful, it's just a window of opportunity for SJWs to guilt trip others for said reasons.

The black population in America make up 13% of the population. Yet when 10% of awards in schools are given to blacks, SJWs whip out the race card. Again the race card is pulled when there are more black men in prison than white males, when statistics indicate 55% of murders are committed by the 13% black population. Factors that affect these statistics are functionally irrelevant in this argument. The issue taken here is intellectual dishonestly when confronting these problems, if they're even problems in the first place.

One could bury the truth all they want, but eventually people will learn to connect the dots, and these people will represent a loud minority at first, eventually you get someone along the lines of 'Donald Trump'.

To add on top of that, I'm sorry, but a joke about a black guy & a watermelon does NOT have any meaningful...not even tangentially insofar as preventive measures are relevant...connection with race based industrial genocide (hint :Zyklon B) and treating these nonsense as issues just detracts attention and time away from actual, real world issues. Meanwhile 4 million Ukrainians starve to death in the time it took Hitler to eradicate 6 million Jews. The joke has no relation to historical genocides and the such. Often times however, the black/white racism nonsense is treated resembling an implication of something that ended along the same path with Auschwitz.

The issue is that most people know they are not these things, they know they're not racist, etc - yet people are called liars by others arguing semantics concerning loose definitions of the word racist is somehow on par with the civil rights movement of the 1960s and that the straw-man opponent is representative of actual true systematic oppression that ruins lives. Finally, we can see how via enantiodromia, the positions of SJW and Feminism has reversed.

Yes, there are real world problems. N.Americans are just too spoiled from being far from them for too long!

Back to the regressive nature of feminism.

A scientist Matt Taylor flies a rocket 317 millions miles from earth and lands it on smoothly on the surface of a comet. After successfully doing so, he was berated and attacked for wearing a shirt that quite horrifyingly resembled something with 1950's style comic book drawings of fictitious pin up girls on it. Interestingly, his impressive feat was overshadowed by something as terrible as the fabric he choose to wear, given to him by one of his female friends (something which somehow has implications to rape culture, whatever that means).

Again, Trump somehow finds himself at the centre of this regressive idiocy populist movement. Many individuals who would typically disagree with him to a huge extend, find them self willing to drop more trivial issues in order to quell the destructive nature of this movement. Sure, it may sound like some silly exaggeration in a vacuum, but this movement has its own momentum and is a borderline paradigm shift.

This feminist, SJW lynch mob doesn't advocate egalitarian ideals, their ideologies are what I would essentially call 21st century N.American fascism. Worse in a way because it is fuelled by people with good intentions. They represent cultural values and beliefs pertaining to free speech and art, resembling something similar to ISIS and National Socialism.

Bee tee dubs, I do not support Trump in any way, shape or form. If I have not made that entirely clear. ;)

[anonman32]

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it is nice to see someone with actual common sense. SJW's are just crazy, they think that race quotas and gender quotas and affirmative action will help society become a better place, but it is SJW's who have a black and white perspective on society ironically, they fail to understand that society consists of individuals but it is SJW's who have to make everything political and they never stop dividing and classifying people in society, they never stop with their retarded labels. SJW's are nothing more than a sorts of rogue bureaucrats that want to chance society how they see fit BUT ONLY they want to do so OUTSIDE of the democratic process if they have to. BOOM I've said it.

[RainbowFanGirl]

People don't like SJWs because they complain about shit that doesn't really matter.

Take Tumblr for example... where most of them are present. Most complain about stuff like chocolate being racist and stuff like that. 😝 They complain about first world problems mostly and that's why they annoy so many.

[Wolfstarking]

They complain about chocolate being racist? Oh my fucking god.

[hellionthesage]

Good take, however I would point out that feminism itself has always been this way not just third wave (second wave feminism advocated for the destruction of the family unit (their words) the foundational block of all modern societies as well as calling for extreme hatred and misandry (as is evident by their philosophy that all sex is rape even when a woman consents (believing women where incapable of actually giving consent (not unlike children)) as well as establishing false statistics like the 1 in 5 rape (in the sixties/seventies which was so badly done 70% of respondents refuted the claim they where raped) as well as helping create the duluth model of domestic violence that claims males as the primary aggressor and women as the primary victim etc.) as well as the original suffragettes who would occasionally resort to destruction of property arsen and general unpleasentry in an attempt to get their way claiming that they where fighing for equal rights (well for middle class white women, they didn't actually care about poor women or any other ethnicity, in fact part of their strategy was to suggest giving white women the right to vote so that white people would out number the black votes) and pushed for the right to vote without the subsequent responsibilities that came with it ie conscription (by police, fire and military organizations) like men had to do when they earned their right to vote a whole 67 years before women did. So in fact it has been feminism from its inception that has caused these issues. Also I would point out that their claims of sexism in other countries are usually unfounded (like in india) or half truths like in the middle east (where while their are issues for women they ignore the fact that its just as bad if not worse for men ie the issues are due to oppressive rulers, damaged economies and societies (many of these caused by the west) which affects both men and women thus making it a political/social/economic issue not a gender one. Otherwise good take. Also I like the term: enantiodromia never heard it before (which is actually suprising for me) I always reffered to things as a pendulum that would always end up swinging back into its opposite position, but its nice having an actual word that sums up the concept. Again Good take.

[Jehovahkiin]

Thanks!

[hellionthesage]

Not a problem, I was just stating a fact, it was accurate and well thought out (are you an INTP personality type perchance?) Thanks for the upvote, it helps balance out the downvote (really wish the person would just address my point so I would know why)

[Jehovahkiin]

I dunno. I haven’t really thought about labelling myself in that category.
But upon looking the term up, it is true that I share many characteristics you’d find in an in INTP individual. But I do realise that I may have an innate bias. You tell me!
As for the quality of this MyTake, thank you again. I was simply writing down my thoughts regarding this issue and didn't intend initially to be posting it here, but I figured that some people may be interested.

Sure thing. I liked your post because I wasn't aware of the regressive nature of the previous feminism waves, learnt something new.
Personally, I realise that I subconscious refrain from downvoting people altogether. Usually if a sentiment shared on my MyTake is one that I disagree with, I would typically engage in a discussion/debate. I don't recall myself downvoting anyone, ever.

[hellionthesage]

I am an INTP personality type (at least according to the many tests I have taken (I like to be thorough) so I mentioned it because it followed a pattern similar to how I think (which is rare for me to finde) so thats why I asked, it seems you at least show some characteristics of it. Yes feminism has been pretty destructive my biggest issue with it however is the complete dishonesty and inaccuracies of it (always lies or half truths) which is usually why I get downvotes (people don't like you pointing out flaws in their reasoning especially when its a strongly held belief). The only time I downvote some one is when they are intentionally being ignorant/abusive, it really doesn't do anything but its a something. I too would rather engage in debate/conversation about the topic then simply downvote the person.

[BuchitaBuchys]

I think this site is misinformed about what many SJWs want.
No, I don't believe staring is eye rape, it's uncomfortable and perhaps creepy, but not rape.
There actually have been studies that show the prejudice against minorities in things like bank loans, real estate, and hiring. A "Dave Johnson" has more appeal than a "Shaniqua Harris".

Personally, I have a very dark sense of humor and I like racist and sexist jokes.

That scientist with the shirt, well, I don't think he was terrible but that was definitely a distasteful shirt to wear. If it were shirtless men, still distasteful.
And females in science are not always treated with such respect.
That all female astronaut group? I fucking knew they'd ask stupid questions like of their wardrobe or something.
The media asked how they'll feel about not putting makeup or something stupid like that.
These women are incredibly smart and talented and skilled yet you are asking what will she do without nail polish in space? Fuck you. That's an insult to their intelligence.

Men do feel prejudice against them too. I've argued many times that circumcision should be banned. Look at my question and opinion history, I've stated that alimony is outdated and that women are heavily biased towards in divorce and custody battles which is wrong. That's not the fault of feminism though. It's because of outdated sexist notions that man should provide and women are best with kids. Feminist and us SJWs are notorious for wanting to rid away with gender roles.

I'm not sure why people are so mad about "PC", so you can't say you think black people are incompetent anymore without getting fired. Awww, I'm so sorry that you just NOW in the 21st century you have to realize that minorities are no better or worse than you.

I'm not going to say we're experiencing the same amount of sexism as the middle east, or same amount of racism as the 50s, but things are not equal in today's society. And we can keep sweeping things under the rug, pretending that they are, but it only makes things worse and leaves the burden to our children to take care of it.

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[BuchitaBuchys]

I'm the queen SJW of GaG.

[anonman32]

a woman made that shirt for this guy and he chose to wear it at that occasion as a joke to her. it backfired somewhat yes, it was drawn out of proportion quite so yes.

[BuchitaBuchys]

@anonman32 I know that.
It's still inappropriate to wear it.

That's the equivalent of "my black friend let's me say nigga".

[Josht13]

great movement right?
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I don't care if you don't think rape jokes are bad but SJWs do they get very pissy when Amy Schumer made a racist joke and by PC they mean no opinions that are against mine we need safe spaces for everyone and online "harrasment" is a crime.

Since you're the queen SJW I'm sure you can find your king cuck on gag there's lots of options.

[anonman32]

you see women are always like "i should not be judged on what i wear" so why would we judge this guy for what he wears? there are women who get away with much, much more inappropriate clothes than what this guy wears.

[BuchitaBuchys]

@Josht13 I don't think white people are racists.

[anonman32]

@Josht13 OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH shots fired.

[Josht13]

but the SJWs do that was my point WHO DO YOU THINK IS DOING THIS?

[BuchitaBuchys]

@Josht13 not all SJWs agree with that.
Did you know that there's a group of Catholics who are trying to make it harder for victims when it comes to priest abuse?
Does this mean all Catholics are supporting pedophiles?

[Josht13]

the thing is though that a lot of SJWs do this isn't some one off story (like that priest thing) it's a large group of people who fuck up multiple rallies, assume women don't lie at rape and they have mad certain classes mandatory in college and look at most sociology or other college things and it's been poisoned by the attitude. It's not the people as much as the mindset of SJWs who assume that such bullshit.

[BuchitaBuchys]

@Josht13 what sort of mandatory classes bother You?
And I personally do think some women lie about rape, but it's definitely not as much as this site believes. People here, mostly men, think like 50% of rape cases are actually false rape claims. That's a dangerous presumption to have as rape victims have it hard as is.

[Josht13]

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[anonman32]

@Josht13 lol how is it legal for a university to force their students to take classes? here where i live that would be illegal.

[BuchitaBuchys]

@Josht13 I don't see anything wrong with reporting "go back to Mexico, Mexicans".
Why does diversity scare y'all so much?

[anonman32]

@BuchitaBuchys i dont know maybe because it is being enforced by the government? also why would you force students to take training classes? i have no problems with these things but the fact that it is being enforces scares the absolute shit out of me! why are these classes mandatory for fucks sake? why dont people have a choice in this?

[Josht13]

it doesn't the problem is they are forcing the students to take classes in this shit that will no doubt espouse the SJW mindset.

[Jehovahkiin]

The problem here is that you’re giving your own personal, less extreme opinion, espoused by you, as in individual. The views of the overwhelming many far exceed those proclaimed by yourself, in terms of extremity. This is further indicated by the juxtaposition in reaction between you and other SJWs concerning the shirt that the scientist wore.

The SJW movement isn’t a monolith. There isn’t a specific set of doctrine one has to follow to fit into that category, the only things SJW adherents have in common with one another is the apparent advocate for ‘social justice’.

Distasteful in this context is a subjective measurement. The issue I take with that event in particular is how SJW adherents berated him into the corner for an issue so extremely trivial, and it shows because of the fact that his achievements were ignored by them in place of wearing an ‘offensive shirt’.

You made a straw-man fallacy concerning my stance on PC, nice job!!

[Jehovahkiin]

I despise PC culture on the premise that it often translates into implications whereby making even harmless, trivial jokes would result in the individual being called ignorant, bigoted and what have you. It essentially nitpicks on tiny, unimportant issues. While time could be better spent dealing with actual issues utilising action. The real world problems aren’t problems that political correctness is trying to fix. SJWs are doing essentially nothing but pointing their fingers and calling everyone else bad.

No where did I mention about supposed inferiority concerning minorities. It would be kind of ridiculous for myself too, considering that I am not white myself.

[BuchitaBuchys]

I'm letting you know my less extreme opinion because y'all assume we're crazy nutjobs.

[Josht13]

More like you made a strawman of the SJW by saying that they weren't like that at all so that you could easily tear down arguements against it also you said that you aren't so extreme and then you saying the movement is just like you I hope the irony isn't lost on you. You claim shit but don't back it up I already linked my articles where are yours.

[Josht13]

replied to the wrong person MARE.

[BuchitaBuchys]

@Josht13 I'm too lazy to link articles when these things are easily accessible through Google.

As I said, many, obviously not all. The vocal minority makes us seem crazy. I'm not saying they're not part of it, they are, but they don't represent all of us.

[BuchitaBuchys]

And I'd like to know how y'all would propose solutions? Go ahead and criticize all you want, but unless you're going to propose ways to fix the issues, you're as clueless as we are in attempting to correct these Injustices.

[BuchitaBuchys]

Trial and error my friends, trial and error.

[anonman32]

@BuchitaBuchys by forcing students to take classes? why are all solutions proposed by SJW's enforcements? what are they trying to do? chance society through totalitarian means? come one now, why do SJW's try to change society outside of the democratic process? you can't fucking attempt to chance society by forcing your views upon people and then expect people not to call you batshit fucking crazy.

[BuchitaBuchys]

I do agree that they take Shit out of proportion and sometimes it's funny, sometimes annoying.
But they are addressing legitimate issues as well.

This is a post I found hilarious:
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[BuchitaBuchys]

@anonman32 plenty of classes are forced. I don't give a fuck about religious studies yet my school forced me to take that class.

[Jehovahkiin]

What issues exactly?

Bashing a scientist over social media for wearing a shirt that offended you (not you in particular, referring to the rest of SJWs)?
Rebuking someone for making a harmless joke about black people and friend chicken?
Trying to downplay the injustices faced by men in the judicial system.

Sorry, but if your solutions are detrimental to society you shouldn't test them out at all. If there is nothing to work with and if you don't know how, you shouldn't 'work' at all, or run the risk of making matters far worse than they initially were.

[anonman32]

@BuchitaBuchys really? what the fuck is wrong with these universities? why is all this shit being enforced. i dont fucking understand.

[BuchitaBuchys]

I wouldn't agree with bashing him.
And y'all act like all they do is overreact.

Issues like allowing black women wear their natural hair without it being seen as "nappy" or "unprofessional". Sure, to you it may not be a big deal, but straightening and putting weave in your hair because your job doesn't like kinky curls is expensive and time consuming.

Issues like stopping infant circumcision. Sure, to you it may not be a big deal, but it's not your body to be slicing off. The notorious Lacy Green is against that.

Issues like women not being taken seriously in Sports or science. Again, it was fucked up that the questions to that all female astronaut group were so god damn shallow and vapid.

[BuchitaBuchys]

@anonman32 that's what happens here in the good ol US of A.

[Anpu23]

" That's not the fault of feminism though." Actually it is.

[BuchitaBuchys]

@Anpu23 how? That stuff was before feminism.

[hellionthesage]

SJW's routinely ignore facts and statistics. They presume ironicly that any attempt to criticise another group is a form of racism ie if a white person points out that statisticly blacks are significantly more likely to commit violent crimes and that it is the black community that needs to step up and stop the violence of their children/families/friends within their neighborhood then they are being racist. This is due to them being white and having the audacity of criticising blacks. Same goes for things women do. So SJW's do think white people are racist as a whole and that all men are sexist, generally speaking. As for false rape accounts its about 40% according to studies which have been corroborated by those within the pertinent fields ie defense lawyers, police investigators etc. As far as diversity is concerned I don't think it bothers any one, except that its diversity that excludes the majority population, it is diversity at their expense.

[HonestWhiteGuy]

Going to have to disagree with you Buchy.
Actually there's many relevant reasons that people are getting tired of feminist and SJWs. From transgender mixed bathrooms to false statistics about the "male wage gap" to countless other reasons.

As far as your example, I'm sure you realize there's affirmative action and forced diversity quotas right? Minorities actually have the advantage in a number of areas, applying for colleges, scholarships and government benefits is one example.

If you can give me some examples of why we need SJWs and feminists loudly complaining about things that are so "unfair" I'll listen to your examples of supposed inequality.

And my final point, can you name another country/culture where the majority doesn't have some advantages? Name a country where the minority has absolute equality with the majority, does it exist or not?

[BuchitaBuchys]

@HonestWhiteGuy I don't agree with aa but I see why it's needed. And that "getting scholarships" crap is still because minorities are more likely to be poor than not. I don't understand why people get so mad that there is help for us but don't give a fuck that we are struggling. Do y'all really believe that 40% or whatever of blacks and Hispanics want to be living in poverty? Do you really believe that more than 50% of black kids want to not have food security?
There have been many studies that shown that there is discrimination. From how real estate agents are less likely to show black people good neighborhoods, you know, with good schools, to minority callback rates for jobs being lower. When a white man with a record has a higher chance than a black man with no record to get hired, than there is a big problem. Banks were also notorious with their discrimination since forever.

And yes, I know that it's inevitable for the majority to get preference. But not many of those places

[BuchitaBuchys]

@HonestWhiteGuy... claim equality like the US does. If they would just stop saying it's equal, then fine. But the US and especially many white people are adamant to say everything is equal when it's not.

Also, just because it's not equal, doesn't mean we can't fight for it. That's like me telling men on here to shut up about foreskin, divorce and child custody and whatever because men in other places don't even have food.
While I do wish other places would fight for their own equality and rights, it's not my battle as I'm not from there.

[HonestWhiteGuy]

Yes I believe that has nothing to do with discrimination but instead its culture and lack of focus on education in the Black community.

Another interesting thing that goes against your concept of discrimination against minorities is the fact that Asians (A minority roughly the same number of them as Blacks in the U. S.) do BETTER than Whites in schools and they make more income on average than Whites.

Sorry but that fact alone proves you wrong. If "evil Whitey" Was discriminating against all minorities so much then Asians would not be making more income than Whites.

I've gone to public schools with poor Asians, Hispanics, Blacks. here's the reality. The poor Asians students parents made them focus more on school than everyone else.

You argue its poverty but its not, its culture and how the kids are being raised.

Why do SJWs always leave Asians out of the equation, did you forget they are minorities too and they are doing BETTER than Whites?

[BuchitaBuchys]

@HonestWhiteGuy and again, schools that are in poverty receive less funding.

I'm not saying white people are evil.

You can say lack of focus on education but yet there are studies that a "Shaniqua Harris" will receive less calls back than a "Dave Johnson". Even with similar education and skills. Is that because Shaniqua was less educated, despite the studies controlling for that?

[HonestWhiteGuy]

People are against you because its not as big a deal as you make it out to be. You pretend like Asians aren't minorities and aren't making more income than Whites are. Honestly its just getting old when you have affirmative action diversity quotas and minority only benefits and scholarships yet you keep going on and on about how unfair things are.

Also I think the millions of minorities that immigrated here and were given the chance to become successful and did, would disagree with how "unfair" things are here especially compared to their home countries.

Another question, do I get to illegally walk into Mexico as a White person and have them role out the red carpet for me? Tell me more about my magical White privilege

[HonestWhiteGuy]

by the way you say that but there's millions of poor Whites as well. My point is those poor Whites have a worse chance of getting into colleges and getting scholarships than poor Blacks and Hispanics do.

Now that right there is unfair and its in YOUR ADVANTAGE but you keep pretending that everythings against you. Its not, it goes both ways.

[BuchitaBuchys]

@HonestWhiteGuy there aren't as many stereotypes holding Asians back. In fact, the "good at math" "hard working straight a students" help them.

I already said:
When a white man with a criminal record has a higher chance of getting called back than a black man with no record, that's white privilege.

-When a white swimmer boy only gets 6months for raping a girl, that's white privilege.

-When you can easily dismiss it to "individual issues" as opposed to both societal and individual issues, *it's black and Hispanics fault they're in poverty", that's white privilege.

-When there are racist laws like that Arizona one where you can be harassed by cops for merely looking "illegal" that's white privilege.

-When you get more angry at aa or other programs that help minorities, than the processes that caused them to begin with (like hire discrimination), white privilege

[anonman32]

STOP REPLYING TO THIS, THIS IS FROM LAST WEEK FOR FUCKS SAKE, THIS SHIT BLOWS UP MY NOTIFICATION BAR FOR NO REASON

[BuchitaBuchys]

@anonman32 haha people keep replying to me. And you can "mute" notifications

[anonman32]

where?

[BuchitaBuchys]

@HonestWhiteGuy sure, white poor people are disadvantaged too. But a poor white person will fare better than a poor black person.

I personally think scholarships should go by SES and not race. Tell more white people in power to create scholarships for white people then.

[BuchitaBuchys]

@anonman32 should be in your settings

[HonestWhiteGuy]

Maybe its because on Average those companies have hired both and realized that on average Dave is a harder and better worker?

Oh but I guess companies shouldn't get to decide who they hire they should just be mandated to hire Shaniqua based on a diversity quota even if she really is a poor worker, right?

[anonman32]

so i can't turn this off for this individual question? if not then stop talking.

[BuchitaBuchys]

@HonestWhiteGuy you are literally for discrimination now lol

And no, I'm not for a quota but even you are for hiring based on prejudice now. That's exactly the shit I'm against.

Maybe they shouldn't judge every Shaniqua and see if she can do the job instead of just saying "hey, the last Shaniqua Harris was terrible, I'm going to assume this one is too."

Do you seriously believe that's right? You're the reason why there are quotas. Stop that mindset or stop bitching about it.

[BuchitaBuchys]

@anonman32 you can under your settings

[anonman32]

LOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLLO SHUT UP

[BuchitaBuchys]

@anonman32 NEVER!!!

[anonman32]

i can't find the question to turn it off...

[HonestWhiteGuy]

Well you are wrong and I've already stated why you are wrong so there's no point me continuing on. You see things from an extreme SJW pro minority spectrum whereas I'm more towards the middle realizing that this talk of "poor minorities" wants me to pretend Asians dont exist and dont make more income than Whites do.

Wants me to pretend that diversity quotas, scholarships and minority only benefits don't exist.

As far as the White swimmer you know that was a rich kid from Stanford and definitely NOT the normal sentence. Yet you are using that as an example when its one of the few cases like that. And by the way there's cases like that with Black athletes drunk driving and running people over and getting low sentences.

[HonestWhiteGuy]

Also your argument that there aren't as many stereotypes holding Asians back so thats why they are doing better than Blacks, Hispanics and even Whites doesn't fly. Sorry, just doesn't hold up thats an incredibly weak argument and explanation for why Asians are able to succeed as a minority.

[BuchitaBuchys]

@HonestWhiteGuy and yet you're literally ok with not hiring Shaniquas. You're ok with discrimination against anyone not white. And then you throw a fit when white people are discriminated against. Hypocrisy?

If it's a black person with no education vs a white person with education and the white person gets hired. That's understandable. But if they have similar backgrounds and even with my example that a black man with no record and a white man with a criminal record still has a better chance? That's discrimination and wrong.
I can't believe I have to explain this to an "honest white guy."

[HonestWhiteGuy]

@BuchitaBuchys
Because what you are claiming happens doesn't actually happen. In a lot of cases the educated Black man has the advantage over the educated White man because of diversity quotas and it being good "PR" to hire the Black guy.

I can't believe you think things are completely one sided for Whites when thats not the case at all in 2016 and hasn't been for a long time.

If there is a true case of discrimination the Black guy can easily sue and win a lawsuit. The laws set up so that they have the advantage in that scenario. Whereas if its a White person discriminated against by Black or Hispanic employers theyd have a MUCH harder time winning that case. Once again a double standard in your favor that you either dont see or choose not to see.

[hellionthesage]

You completely miss the reason why their is that kind of descrimination to begin with. Why are their a dispaportionat amount of blacks in prison despite being 13% of the population? Because they commit a disporoportionate amount of violent crimes. Why is it that they commit these crimes? Is it poverty? Well no, because more whites are impoverished then blacks due to the simple fact that 63% of the population is white. We have entire white neighborhoods that are as if not more impoverished then black neighborhoods with nothing resembling the criminal statistics of black neighborhoods. That in turn causes the bias within businesses, because "shaniqua" sounds like a person from one of these neighborhoods and thus is more likely to share the cultural traits of these groups ie violence and propensity for theft etc. Now it may not be true and it may not be fair on the individual level but to claim that this bias is unearned is simply false.

[HonestWhiteGuy]

@BuchitaBuchys
No I'm ok with them hiring whoever the best person is for the job. If that happens to be an Asian or White guy instead of Black because on average there's MORE educated Asian and Whites than thats reality.

Dont give me some diversity quota b. s. and push a less qualified Black person in there to "add diversity" and meet quotas because that happens a lot too yet you seem completely unaware that it does.

[BuchitaBuchys]

@HonestWhiteGuy and yet a black man with no criminal record still has a less chance than a white man with a criminal record to get hired based on statistics. Isn't that interesting?

You just don't care about minorities and that's fine. It's not your job to care about us.

Answer me this, do you really believe that we want to remain in poverty?

[HonestWhiteGuy]

@BuchitaBuchys
Those statistics are bogus so no its not interesting its rather sad that lies need to be made and things exagerrated to blame Whites for all of the Black communities shortcomings.

And you don't care about any problems Whites have, so? You see any minorities protesting for Whites when a Black gang member shoots a White person dead or a Black cop shoots a White guy, I dont?

Do I believe you want to remain in poverty, no, noone does. Do I believe that poor Asians can somehow succeed and make more money than Whites even, yet you can't because of "racism". No, I dont believe that.

[BuchitaBuchys]

@HonestWhiteGuy who said i don't care? I clearly stated that scholarships should be based on SES and not race.
You're the one who said that it's ok to discriminate against Shaniquas.

And I'm not saying that minorities are absolutely not to blame at all. We are. Even though I'm not a gang member, never have been, even though no one in my family is despite it being mostly men in my family. I'll lump myself with them because People will lump us all together anyways.

Any how. I would agree that there are individual and even community influences that cause this to happen. But when it's such a high number, like 50% of black kids don't have food security, there has to be a societal problem as well. It's not all individual, not all community.
And there is. When they close down schools and build prisons, yes this happens I'm watching it happen here in Chicago.
When even programs like AA that are supposed to help us and throw us into environments that we're not ready for.

[BuchitaBuchys]

@HonestWhiteGuy I have more to say but I'm at work despite being a poor lazy Mexican and I have to go to my other job because thank you AA I was able to get hired for this $6/ht job.

[Jager66]

You fundamentally misunderstand the criticisms of SJW's/Feminism.

[BuchitaBuchys]

@Jager66 ok

[Anonymous]

I personally lean more on the SJW side , but I do see a lot of SJW's that go to the extreme and expect the whole world to change now, and honestly I think some just want to be a "special snowflake". theirs so meany SJW that don't know how to understand where others are coming from and aren't willing to see other POV yet wan others to respect there's, and a lot of the extreme SJW's want people to give minority special treatment, or make something that isn't a minority in to a minority.
For me, I bevel in equality, People should be judged on how thay treat others not for who thay are, you don't need to under stand something in order to respect it , people need to see that ya someone else might need a different resources then you but it's not necessary special treatment. and just because your a minority or apart of a oppressed group doesn't mean you deserve extra rights to compensate for lost time. personally I am apart of the LGBTQ+ community and I do identify with some less common labels like demisexual and pan romantic, and I'm transgender ( FTM), but you won't see me pissing and whining over BS , sure theirs things I notice that others that are Cis and/or straight might not but I'm not going to get mad if someone accidentally messes up my pronouns or makes a SMART joke, heck I make jokes about the LGBTQ+ community / myself. people just need to chill the fuck out , and learn how to respect and listen to each other , and to stop identifying with something just to be special and brag and act like "oh poor me I'm a minority" , if you really identified as you say you wouldn't feel the need to bring it up wen not necessary, and wouldn't wine about the little things all the fucking time, sure the little things can be annoying and are often the things others just don't have to think about/ deal with, and should change to some extent some day, but dam the same goes if your not in a minority , all you can do is bring some attention to it but can't demand it right now. shit takes time.

[Anonymous]

Some is harmful, some is accurate, some is pointless.

I think the most interesting point to consider, in terms of 'is it more harm than good' is that for a long period we basically were pushing kids to view everyone as equal, to aim to be 'colorblind' etc. And we were not all the way there, though progress was made.

The modern intersectional feminist movement rejects that. They view everyone's race, class, sex, gender, etc. as critical to understanding where they are, and to interacting with each other. It's not enough to simply try to treat people fairly and see them as individuals. We must be aware of our privilege.

They're right in the sense that 'white privilege' does exist. And a big part of it is that 'whites' are treated as colorless. They are the norm. Other races are 'othered'. It's not right, or fair. But rather then discouraging 'othering' and pushing to view everyone as an individual, the modern movement demands that whites think of themselves as white, and consider their privilege.

I think this sort of works for sensitive rich white people to sit around and ruminate on their privilege.

But for less educated, working class whites who get exploited by the political system... well, they're thinking about themselves as whites now. And rather then deciding they're privileged, they're deciding they've been screwed out of their piece of the identity politics pie.

I am concerned that this will be disastrous.

[Laura_Marx]

"Often times however, the black/white racism nonsense is treated resembling an implication of something that ended along the same path with Auschwitz."

I don't know exactly what you mean here but there were indeed a number of genocides comitted against black people, by european colonists in Africa and via chattel slavery. The origin of the watermelon jokes seems to have something to do with a discourse around black freedmen in the 17-1800s entering with watermelon plantations. It has an explicit connection to slavery, although obscured by history.

[Jehovahkiin]

I wasn't very clear, but I'll elaborate.
Aforestated racial slurs are such innocuous in nature and back by no threat, power, let alone persuasion. My issue being when SJW babies elevate such dross to a discernible level that the rest of the population sees the idiotic extremes for what they really are and end up writing the whole notion off completely, causing irreparable damage. The Holocaust and Holodomor did not begin because someone made a joke about blacks and fried chicken or Asians and anime. It started because people tried to justify guilt mongering when it literally had no relevance and no place; which later kindled initially non-existent issues concerning fears of persecution that exacerbated into an enantiodromia-esque reverse discrimination that canceled itself and became racism at the point of whoever held the most power.

[Jehovahkiin]

I'm saying that there is a potential for all of this to turn out really badly. Kind of the same mess that forced into existence the prominence of the Neo-Nazis - by convincing others groups of people that all perpetuation is actually indicative of a bigger problem like reverse discrimination... which then exacerbates into competing waves of racism as self preservation.
Quit frankly, the two of the few forms of bigotry/racism that poses a genuine threat is those that are anti-semitic/anti-unkranian in nature. There are studies indicating hate against the two groups are rising. That is not to say jokes against the two mention groups should never be done, but as long as I know the person’s intention isn’t to instil another Holocaust/Holodomor, I don’t have a problem.

[Laura_Marx]

oh, I see... I kind of doubt the SJWs are gonna inspire a reflexive wave of genocides, honestly. The holocaust was the culmination of over a thosand years of prepetual antisemitic pogroms and rromani exile. I don't know much about Holodomor, admittedly, but I don't see the connection with guiltmongering

As for the offensive jokes - it is not so much that they are causing genocides as they are a symptom of the system that realises genocides, the broaden system of imperialism/white supremacy. And I think you take too seriously the claims of white supremacist paranoids who say they feel oppressed by The Jewry and so on - mostly I think they are exaggerating in a complicated way. White supremacy perpetatuates via its own ironic self-engagement, its game-like and joke-like nature. A KKK march is a masquerade ball. They white supremacists 'play' their paranoia, I do not believe they really feel persecuted.

[Laura_Marx]

What is happening to jewish people and eastern europeans is horrific, however, I think you do not take seriously enough the immiseration of people of colour.

[Jehovahkiin]

I don’t mean to downplay the economic and social predicaments that often plague the minority population (in fact, I'm a minority myself). In fact, my argument is particularly directed to proponents of PC culture and doesn’t really address the economic impoverishment of people of colour. I do acknowledge those concerns and kudos to people who know more about that specific subject matter than I do and are doing something to elevate poverty and social discrimination. But that’s simply not what I’m getting at.

I’m saying that the importance of this subject, a subject whose best expressions is found not in stopping the authoritarian reign of white people making jokes about black people and KFC chicken or about Asian's and anime. No. It's in stopping another systematic race-based genocide from happening again, ever. bc frankly, the first and the largest step between here and there is to forget that if it happened ONCE there is not a reason it can’t happen again.. and,

[Jehovahkiin]

My fear is that by ramming ridiculous morals down the throats of every person making a joke about Arabs and bombs – we’re missing the darn point. And further we are exacerbating the problem by diluting the waters of a very serious subject – in some ways THE MOST SERIOUS SUBECT, ever – and rendering it somehow ridiculous by association with a joke.
Real racism along the likes of Zykon B is not a joke. It's beyond serious. It cannot be ended through deafening screams about the apparent immoral nature of jokes regarding black people and sagging pants. Nope. All that does is make people laugh and tell off coloured jokes... effectively rendering any meaningful discourse worthless and dragging down the whole sorry affair in one piece because we all collectively laugh it off as being tantamount to a joke.

That's dangerous.

[Laura_Marx]

Alright, I understand. I don't really agree with you! But I can understand your view. I think you are overestimating the influence of 'SJWs' and 'political correctness' a little, personally, but if you feel like being an anti-SJW will prevent genocides then I hope you can prevent genocides <333

[Jehovahkiin]

<333
dw I'm still right ;P

[hellionthesage]

Slavery? You realize that europeans, who entered into the slave trade later then any other group bought their slaves from African slavers right? They did not go in and slaughter villages and enslave, Africans whent in and did that. In fact the first slave owner in the US was actually a black slave owner with a white slave. As for genocide, I think that might be a strong word, especially since every single group of people is responsible for doing the same thing, all of them. To blame whites for that (which of course happened long enough ago to have absolutely no bearing on how we interact currently (well except for those who try and guilt trip whites into getting things from them they couldn't otherwise) would require you to blame blacks as well, and Asians, and middle easterners, and native americans etc etc. Also their where white slaves as well (like the irish) but its funny we never mention it isn't it? You would think that black slavers and white slaves would be worth noting.

[Laura_Marx]

@hellionthesage

You believe a lot of myths comrade. Slavery is of course age-old, pre-Feudalist societies were organized around it, but chattel slavery is a specific thing and refers specifically to an anti-black genocide. It happened only after colonialism across Africa. The Europeans created chattel slavery, they could not be the 'last to enter it'.

As for white slaves, the irish slave myth is categorically false and has absolutely no evidence. We in Ireland have been the ones to disprove it, in fact. See this article by the historian Liam Hogan:

www.academia.edu/.../The_Myth_of_Irish_Slaves_in_the_Colonies

of course, now that I want to show it to someone it's been pulled for updates. Check back at that link l8r because its a very good article. In the mean time here's some other stuff on the subject:

[Laura_Marx]

www.opendemocracy.net/.../%E2%80%98irish-slaves%E2%80%99-convenient-myth
medium.com/.../the-imagery-of-the-irish-slaves-myth-dissected-143e70aa6e74

As for 'blaming' whites, I would rather not try and 'blame' anyone, but make a material analysis of history. Also slavery wasn't the only antiblack genocide that structures our epoch re: colonialism

[HonestWhiteGuy]

there's also lesser known "White slavery" look up the barbary slave trade and the Moors. Now carry on being and SJW and trivializing all the times Whites were enlaved, killed so you can pretend only Blacks were victims

[Laura_Marx]

@HonestWhiteGuy I am talking about chattel slavery, comrade, which is a particular event, relevant in a particular way to the question. The fact that there were no white chattel slaves is an important distinction.

But Barbary slave trade isn't relevant to the question at hand. It is a different conversation, also about brutal class domination, but broadly not relevant to the racial stratification of the United States, the cite of chattel slavery and not barbary slave trade.

[hellionthesage]

Yes actually there was white "chattel" slavery. Did you know not only where the irish slaves but they where treated worse then black slaves? They where deemed to "unruly"(most likely due to the englishes hatred of them) and would have the soles of their feet burned regularly, as well as being flogged. Also the term slave comes from slav or more specificly slavic, for the eastern european people who where forced into subjugation so frequently by Asians middle easterns/muslims and pretty much any one else that their name actually became synonomous with being forced into subjugation. So thanks for downplaying this fact so you can maintain the racial divide by make believing that only one group of people where mistreated and its all white peoples falt. Thats not racist at all.

[hellionthesage]

Irish slavery is not a myth, chattel slavery existed everywhere, in fact we have documentation of the mistreatment of irish slaves, mistreatment that actually pales in comparison to black slaves. Just because some one dislikes that doesn't mean its not true. The fact is acadamia is run and operated by liberals/feminist. They are the ones creating racial tention and dismissing provable facts. We know that white slaves where not indentured servants, this is what people who want to uphold their ideological belief say, they conflate the two. Yes their where white indentured servants, and yes their where white "chattel" slaves. This is again provable fact. We have it documented and as I pointed out the very name of slave comes from a group of white people who where made into slaves (chattel slaves). Its irrefutable.

[hellionthesage]

As for chattel slavery coming from whites, that is an out right lie, one that is absoltuley provable. https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/41431
https://www.scaruffi.com/politics/slavetra.html
bnpsalford.wordpress.com/the-truth-about-slavery/
Even Africans fully acknowledge their part in the slave trade and its origins. So that is again that is an irrefutable fact. As for "black genocide" again, that never really happened, whites did not go into African slaughtering Africans, Africans willingly sold slaves to whites, whites in fact treated black slaves better then they did white slaves (again the irish slaves where viewed as inferior to black slaves due to being "unruly" and also the fact that black slaves faired much better in the hot climates of the west indies then the irish did making them more desirable (and by extention the white slaves as more expendable, as documentation has shown).

[hellionthesage]

The argument that white slavery didn't exist because indentured servituted isn't slavery is a straw man argument, it tries to change the argument the fact is both indentured servituted of whites and the slavery of whites occured. They are not mutually exclusive. In fact if we wish to get technical the first slave owner in america was an angolian (african) man who owned a white slave (he had originally been indentured to him but due to his attempt to leave his services believing them to be fullfilled he was tried and punished for his violation of his contract with life long servituted ie slavery to his black master. Again ironic that we never talk about this by people who claim that they are about equality about not blaming whites despite the fact that they refuse to acknowledge other groups roles as victimizers and whites roles as victims. The fact is all groups where equally amoral in their actions ie every one is an asshole so lets stop pretending otherwise and create actual equality

[hellionthesage]

Instead of continueing to build greater and greater rifts between people, which by the way is exactly what your doing. "the truth remains the truth irregardless of whether or not you can stomach it."

[Oram52]

Exactly I agree, the vacuum SJWs or Regressive Left create is then filled by rightwing. As you see with Donald Trump. It has the opposite effect... they can use PC as a blank statement even to cover up actual bigorty and xenophobia. Not to mention other than ranting what other concrete steps have SJWs or feminists taken to resolve any of the issues they fume about?

[Jager66]

I've recently discovered the SJW/Feminist emotional break down/tantrum videos on YouTube and it's soooooo funny.

They literally melt down like a two year who misses their mommy because someone calmly presents them with a logical thought for them to consider.

[Jager66]

two year *old*

[SnatchFinderGeneral]

I support Trump, but I'm not from the states. When you have blowhards rampaging around thinking their malformed opinions are the be all and end all, people simply have no choice but to prove them wrong and re-establish order with the only power that the common person has. Voting.

But even then, the blowhards try to shame them from using that power. That's why Trump gains more and more popularity.

[CancerianMan81]

I totally agree

[Takyon]

Yep.

[Fearless_banana]

But what are you thoughts on the sexist air conditioner?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNH0bmYT7os

[Jehovahkiin]

Worrying about stupid bs such as these detracts attention from actual real issues.
This is why feminism is a joke.

[Fearless_banana]

Lol this video was posted as a joke. Good to see women aren't brainwashed by feminism. Good take.

[Jehovahkiin]

TY!!!

[John_Doesnt]

You say you don't support Trump, but you sure do talk like him.

[Jehovahkiin]

Point out the apparent similarities and I will address them, and further, I will give you some decent contrasts between his and my views concerning different things.

[zagor]

That is kind of an SJW thing to say.

[Ash_Williams]

Alert: We have a failed case of indoctrination here!

Logical arguments are being used that run against the feminist paradigm.

You are not supposed to be a logical thinker, you're supposed to be a brainwashed tool of feminism. Get back in line!

[Jehovahkiin]

sorrie ;(

[QuestionMan]

Trump's only redeeming qualities are he's not PC, he's not Hillary and there's a chance he might be successful. Other than that his immigration plan is moronic and he speaks like a child.
I still can't believe he wants to give Japan nukes

[Righttobeararms83]

There is definitely a victim culture sweeping america especially among college students who struggle with the harsh realities of "first world problems". SJW's are always ready to protest no matter the cause or their understanding of it.

[jacquesvol]

@Righttobeararms83
Social and justice are four letter words to trumpos ( they can't count)

[Righttobeararms83]

@jacquesvol Obama never did get around to closing Guntanamo so not much social justice there.

[jacquesvol]

Obama signed the order to close GITMO but the House and Senate GOP majority blocked it.

[jacquesvol]

He did a lot for education but with discretion.
A president with a hostile parliament can't do much.

[Righttobeararms83]

@jacquesvol He campaigned on that platform. The big problem I have is that his administration is using drones in about a dozen countries blowing up innocent civilians and they are completely unaccountable.

[TakeMaker]

What is an SJW? Is it Sarah Jessica Parker's cousin?

[Josht13]

social justice warrior.

[TakeMaker]

@Josht13 still have no clue as to what that actually means...

[RainbowFanGirl]

"Social Justice Warrior. A pejorative term for an individual who repeatedly and vehemently engages in arguments on social justice on the Internet, often in a shallow or not well-thought-out way, for the purpose of raising their own personal reputation. A social justice warrior, or SJW, does not necessarily strongly believe all that they say, or even care about the groups they are fighting on behalf of. They typically repeat points from whoever is the most popular blogger or commenter of the moment, hoping that they will "get SJ points" and become popular in return. They are very sure to adopt stances that are "correct" in their social circle.

The SJW's favorite activity of all is to dogpile. Their favorite websites to frequent are Livejournal and Tumblr. They do not have relevant favorite real-world places, because SJWs are primarily civil rights activists only online."

[TakeMaker]

@RainbowFanGirl jumping on the political correctness bandwagon?

[RainbowFanGirl]

Yes that's basically what it is. 😛

[TakeMaker]

@RainbowFanGirl ha, thanks for clearing that up :)

[Skadouchebag]

When and why did everyone get the idea that disagreement and argument is the same as hatred?

[Gommers]

When liberalism became the social norm in America.

[Anonymous]

Black men vs White men. What would SJW have to say about this?

[alor1an]

Sjws need to be electrocuted.

[Anpu23]

Good my take. Thank you.

[Anonymous]

So you support Hilliary?

[tabboule]

tl;dr