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Why I Am Not An Equalitarian (Page 2)
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Educated and sane men do not hate equality or feminism.
What they hate is the selectivity in those notions.
They hate how many women scream for equality when it suits/benefits them and at the same time they avert their eyes from equality when it does not benefit/suit them.
No need to discuss the stance of sexist men because these people will not listen to logic nor reason (if logic and reasoning holds any value or effect on them then they would not be sexist in the first place)
You said "most men don't want these things" with regard to cleaning the house, taking care of kids, etc. and you might be right, but I am not convinced. How do you know "most" men don't want to do them? Do you have any good scientific survey results to show? I would consider doing those things.
Even if only some men, but not most, want to do them, that doesn't mean the idea is a total fail. Everyone will agree on absolutely nothing. At least *some* men would be willing. Focus on them?
There are plenty of women who aren't feminists, and some who call themselves "feminist" without believing it demands anything of them.
All you have to do is look at the track record of Feminism to know it's a sexist movement at best and a hate movement at worst. We have many decades of evidence to draw on so any diatribe lauding the infinite merits of Feminism isn't much use because the "cat is out of the bag" on Feminism.
cool
I completely agree with this photo
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that it is right?
Yeah.
wow it hurts to see this
" But most guys don't like/support feminism because it is about womens rights"
See, you lost me right there.
If you can't be arsed to even understand the antipathy towards feminism (and it's not like it's difficult to find out why so many people hate it) then why should I read the rest of your screed? It's most likely just as ill informed and inaccurate.
Hmm interesting... in that case...
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really? I didn't know that
As pointed out by @the_rake: strawman fallacies are bad..
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Most people who are against feminism aren't against female rights but female supremacy.
This
I didn't even read all of this, but I just want to highlight: Why are there so many misogynists on this website?
Feminism isn't believing that women are above men. It's not that deep.
People are misogynists for not agreeing with you, feminist logic.
@Jeeevan no I mean they literally verbally attack women and associate them with patriarchal values.
No, we don't, most of us don't. Just like with females, most of you don't verbally attack us but some of you do. Most males don't agree with feminism because it isn't about equality if it's only targeting females problems who are already equal to us in the west. Being an egalitarian means you want problems which targer BOTH men and women to be solved but feminism only helps females.
Quite a few females don't agree with feminism for the same reasons as us.
@Jeeevan fair enough. I understand what you mean and although I support feminism, I too recognise that men struggle in society today too. And sometimes they're not treated the right way. Of course not every guy is like this, it just seems to be a lot of them on this website in particular.
Yeah i mean people on this website aren't afraid to voice what they really feel because no one can really judge them. If you understand that men suffer too then why are you a feminist?
@Jeeevan Yeah i get what you mean now. And it's because feminism focuses on women having equal rights and opportunities as men. I don't believe that it eliminates the rights and opportunities of men. It also focuses on the movement, women have experienced that have allowed the to slowly step up their positions in society. But as I said, I dont believe that it eliminates the rights of men; it just simply focuses on the movement of women.
That''s all good and that but what about men? There are lots of inequalities we face too but lots of people just ignore them because we are men. Women in society today are equal to men in many ways.
@Jeeevan yeah i understand what you mean and i see it all the time on social media, i agree with you
Thank you. I'm just suggesting you should think about becoming a egalitarian, it's the way forward.
@Jeeevan i'll look that up
@Jeeevan I agree with you, but then I don't. Yes, there are plenty of women who think Feminism is just for them, but you are ignoring the fact that actually, majority of the women who call themselves feminists fight for the rights of men as well.
Thank god my country doesn't have a feminist movement and guess what men and women actually get along and help eachother. .. Girls have been out performing boys in school, getting top jobs, having both careers and family. You know why? They don't complain like feminist in the US about dumb stuff like free the nipple or the office air conditioning is sexist , they study hard and work hard to achieve their goals in life and not complain or feel entitled to anything.
this isn't about feminism
But you're one?
I don't need to tell you anything about me or what I believe in, mytake says everything I wanted to say
Enjoy your cats. lol
the fuck?
This has nothing to do with equal rights lol. If u wanted to work and not clean and cook then that's just ur preference don't except every man to accept you like that. I prefer my woman to take care of me by making sure there is good meals cooked and a nice home to go too. But that doesn't mean I'm treating her as unequal? Your take is flawed
This pisses me off. Egalitarian's careally about both genders unlike feminism which only caters to females which is wrong. You can say you want equality all you want but you are part of a movement which only targets females rights when women in the west aren't the most oppressed anymore
I am not in the fucking west stop talking like everyone is in the fucking western world
So what? I can say what I want. I didn't know you weren't in the west. You haven't even denied what I said which further proves my point.
I didn't deny it cause I don't give a fuck
Again proves my point that you don't care about mens rights
ok honey go to sleep
You go to sleep. You can hate men tomorrow don't worry
I love men honey
Why are you a feminist then?
because feminism isn't a man hater group, grow up
I should grow up? Don't make me laugh. Feminism has done nothing for men apart from blame everything on men! Feminism is the reason why a farther has less rights than he did before!
feminism helped women and it is stiil helping. you are only proving my first point
What ha's feminism done for men? Apart from take away some of our child rights?
here it done a law against domestic violence
Give me proof
about the law? haha it is called lei maria da penha
Send me a link, I typed it up but I don't understand anything
your loss I see those things in Portuguese
Lol okay, your lying.
why would I read laws of Brazil in English honey?
Tell me them in English. This myTake is actually bs.
MyTake isn't about lei Maria da Penha. It is a law created to people that suffer from domestic violence, both women and men
Okay good but what else has feminism done for men? That is my point. Feminism does not help us but being a egalitarian does help us! it helps both men and women. In your myTake you basically call all of us who aren't feminists sexist which isn't true. We want equal rights which means for men too.
"But most guys don't like/support feminism because it is about womens rights."
A FALSE ACCUSATION. We don't support feminism because it has led to the oppression of men and a large number of HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSES against us. There is a ton of discrimination in western society and we are treated like 2nd class citizens.
You are our oppressors. You are the ones who FALSELY claim to support equality, but instead practice female supremacy. You are insensitive to the humanity of men.
Nothing wrong with being a feminist but people hate femininazis ones who say they don't need men cuz they can't get a date. Thats not what the movement is about.
I can get dates, at least I like to think I can lol
Hahah are you those femininazis type who think there is no use for men and hate them?
no I am not lesbian dude
Well then you should be fine and you'll get dates 😛 but to get back to your take. There will always be gender roles. I don't see that changing anytime soon
I know, I think it is funny that this dudes came here talking about equality but when you tell them no gender roles they get like no feminists want that
Hahah yeah I know. And I don't see them as a big deal yeah I love kids and I watch my nieces from time to time but Id rather be outside landscaping or something. But I aslo like too cook. At the end of the day it's 50/50 thing that makes relationship work. And within part of each duties gender roles exists. Do I expect my girlfriend to do that? No. She can't cook I'm cooking lol.
haha I like you
Hahha well thank you 😉 I like you too you seem like an intelligent young woman. Too bad I'm a dog person xD haha I'm assuming that's your cat in the photo😛
too bad I am totally a cat person but don't worry I love dogs just as much
Well I did grow up with a cat he was cool until he attacked your feet then he was an ass xD. I animals in general. So I guesss I'd be ok with both 😉
my cat never attacked me he is an angel
Aww now I wanna come pet him! Brazil here I come xD
haha
You'll have to teach me Portuguese
I don't have any problem with that
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I'll have to teach ya something in return 😉
like what?
Hmmmm... how to be awesome like me 😎 but you already are soo... wanna learn how to cook? XD
no I am afraid of the oven
Dang I hope there is no sad story as to why 😕
We can do some other stuff tho! 💁
I got burnt once lol
Lol use an oven mit next time 😜
feminism encourages women to:
leave their husbands- yup, achieved!
and kill their children- abortions, yup that too.
looks like ole pat wasn't too far off.
but thats not why men hate feminism. we hate feminism because its anti-male.
Such a stupid thing to discuss on a site full of retards. They interpret feminism exactly like the first meme
Because in certain countries it is relevant, in certain places it is relevant but it comes a time when not just one group needs to be cared for but those groups neglected.
Stop calling feminism "egualitarism". Its not. "Equalitarism" is just the term feminists adopted to falsely associate their own ideals with 'equality' (and the subsequent association with 'freedom' as well, something feminists in practice hate).
I am against it
I never complain about feminism, I support it. Very good mytake.
Stop that nonsense radical ideologies and think about how to make this world a better place for EVERY one , hatred and compensation and taking sides are not going to get us any further. I'm telling this to anyone not women or men or...