People tend to talk a lot about things they don't have a clue about. Usually saying that a fair world, would be a world with more equality in it. That is wrong in so many ways. First, learn the difference between equality and equity. A world with more equity... that would be a fair world.
The image above shows a good example. Try to understand that. It's not hard.
The tallest/richest ones don't need the kind of "equality" that helps them get further ahead (which is why they should be taxed [much] more). Everyone with a brain knows & admits that. The other 2 groups of people (middle & lower classes) definitely need a bit of aid (one box) to stay competitive. The problem that the majority of people generally have is in giving that additional aid/box to the lower class, because people foolishly think it's ridiculously easy to get ahead if you just try hard enough, because they just can't comprehend the struggle. Now, if the additional box comes as a kit - where they have to assemble it & figure out how to use it, so that they have to put effort in & aren't just given it outright, then it becomes more tolerable: affordable health insurance, affordable housing, affordable, quality schooling, easier-to-get-low-interest loans, affordable daycare, etc.
Unfortunately, the rich have brainwashed too many into believing that government is bad, that anyone who wants to work can, that it's easy to get ahead if you just try... So many lies I can't even list them all.
Anyone who wants to work can. If you dont have a job your job is applying for jobs. Full time 40 hours a week filling out applications. You should have a job in about one or two days if you actually do that.
I couldn't agree with you less
@bamesjond0069 A job, yes. A good job, not so much.
@exitseven my 16 year old ass was making 15 an hr 18 years ago. Smh
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u "A world with more equity... that would be a fair world." Depends on the subject and how you propose that equity should be accomplished.
I would think that no one would even bother to protest if the case was that he did it voluntarily.
If the authorities are forcing it though, then there's always people that will question it.
But im just saying that there can be cases where equity means everyone will suffer. And to make sure everyone is at the same equitable level of suffering, there may be some that will have to pay a greater cost overall.
And if you don't give up your box, they'll take it AND chop off your legs! :- )
@Massageman we could always just lower the fence so everyone can see over.
@wittymilf That would be far too logical, simple, and "witty". I guess that's how you got your name! :- )
Life isn’t always fair we can’t build boxes for people who are lazy. People have to build their own boxes and take responsibility. In this country we have a rare opportunity that most other countries don’t have. We have the opportunity to change our futures change our way of life. You can’t do that in any Arab nation your either born into a royal family or your sleeping in caves. If he built boxes for everyone to see over the fence equally using let’s say the only thing tax money. Ok then let’s see maybe we all want everyone to have cars ok let’s get the tax money ok then we say education and back for the tax money ok let’s say housing ok back to the tax money. Hey how about health care holy shit we don’t have any tax money left. People are now out growing their box and made wanting a new box but we have no tax money. This doesn’t work no country has done of can ever sustain this kind of idiotology. This is how you create a overwhelmed system as we are doing. People have to take responsibility many are lazy and that’s their nest or situation they created.
And I love that system it collapses and real money comes back into power for those smart enough to hold it
@jamesgoldman The problem is you country drives itself into debt with other nations and the dollar isn’t worth shit. That’s why the federal reserve wants to regular who owns or how much gold citizens can own. That’s why I believe in buying gold coins because you never know what can happen
That's what I mean real money... pre-64 American dimes, quarters, halves and dollars... gold is good until you need bread and only have a krugerrand, silver is required as well so both are key
@jamesgoldman yeah unfortunately what also happens is like in Venezuela not even gold matter you don’t even have food or medication or hospitals. The communist government guards the exits and people are fighting their neighbors for general needs of life. Then we got people with guns bats and it’s total madness. We keep the direction of this Biden Harris socialist idiotology it can happen here.
Yeah it's a risk but I've got a bat so I covered that end
yeah I learned all about this equity bullshit yesterday when American Airlines said they want to make 50% of the pilots they hire over the next 10 years people of color and women. Take a bite of your big brain cereal and think about that for one second.
They aren't interested in who passes the flight tests and does the best in their flight simulations, they're interested in your skin color and what's between your legs when deciding who will be responsible for flying millions of people safely across the world. Sorry to say, but if you don't hire the most qualified candidates in this particular situation, it will cost lives.
I wonder if you also like the idea of forcing professional sports to have more white, hispanic, and Asian players, since things like the NBA are over 75% black and other sports have similar "unequitable" numbers. Or in this situation do you think the best qualified players should get the jobs regardless of skin color? If so, your decision about what's equitable and not is skewed.
@diamold the example he gave was indeed equity; its giving more "boxes" to black and female pilots to get them to the height of the "fence" (hiring %). his understanding of equity is clearly superior to yours
and he correctly points out why equity is a bad idea
First off, I hate pics like this because it is narrow minded. It really isn't the bigger picture.
If I am a shorter person and I need two boxes, I either make more money to buy two boxes or I learn to drill a hole in the fence to watch the game.
Also you are only showing one perspective!
Why not show that airplane seats keep getting closer together and tall people are physically in pain because they refuse to accommodate them? How about the fact that some rides at the amusement park won't allow people who are too tall on them? A lot of cars on the "cheaper" end are designed for short people. So tall people just have to make more money to accomodate. How about some doors being built too short for them?
There are two sides to every coin.
When you take challenges away from people, you make them weak, entitled and complacent.
Amen sister!!!
@COMMODOREII she literally said the opposite of what you said in your post
The never asked question, who brings those boxes?
Society?
Why should the tall guy support society when he gets nothing as compensation for his efforts?
Why isn't possible to lower the fence or removing it completely?
A bunch of philosophical questions
Well the fence is nature. As the natural world exists humans require resources and there is a finite amount.
The tall guy only need understand that to live in a modern society, he has to support it. Typically in taxes. Then the system distributes it. But he may also feel a moral obligation.
The fence can be reduced but typically this take time because widespread change in society takes time. But the system can create artificial support to speed this up. Typically through benefits or quotas.
@madgoat "The tall guy only need understand that to live in a modern society, he has to support it."
Many "tall" guys dont want to live in modern society. I for example am working on getting off grid as possible... as a multimillionaire. I dont in particular need anything as i am not afraid to support myself and others through my abilities.
Is it just me, or does anyone else dislike this style of reductive memes that are in no way illustrative of the extremely complex issues they proport to illustrate? Also, every time I see this picture, I can’t help but think… does anyone else wonder how the people, who worked very hard for the money to buy their tickets, feel about the “equity” of people essentially stealing from everybody by just watching the game for free by peeping over the fence?
For sure. But there's plenty more wrong with the picture once we ask yourselves what the wall, the boxes, and seeing the game actually represent.
So you want to take it at face value, but everyone else using their critical thinking skills are the dumb ones? Okay, you're insane.
@AllThatSweetJazz Thanks Jazz, I couldn’t agree more! The really INSANE part of @hshsbsb rant, is that in 1976 when Richard Dawkins invented the word MEME (short for memory gene), he specifically noted that it was a way to pass complex ideas with one easily memorizable image, similar to how genes pass incredibly complex instruction sets in the easiest way possible! So, by definition a meme cannot just be “exactly as it is in the pictures”! But I’ve learned to NEVER get bothered by anything written by a brand new (xper 1) account, literally created right before they made the comment! They might as well just name their account @ImaTroll.
exactly, memes are simple pictures for simple minds. they don't understand the complexity of who brings the boxes, who paid for the boxes. its not fair to me that i have to work harder to give the short one more boxes because they are inferior at this task. they should go find another task where they can either provide the boxes themselves or don't need boxes at all
@007kingifrit Okay… we’ll, I would prefer that they all buy a ticket like everyone sitting INSIDE a the ballpark, rather than be given boxes so they can effectively steal the entertainment! Equality means that everyone has an equal opportunity to get a free 12th grade education. They have equal opportunity to study their asses off during class, they have an equal opportunity to really APPLY themselves, and to apply to go to a four year college, they have an equal opportunity to get guaranteed government insured student loans to pay for that college. Equity on the other hand, is the philosophy that if they were lazy in school, they didn’t work hard, they didn’t apply themselves, and they either didn’t go to college, or did, but majored in “Lesbian Dance Theory” then they should STILL receive the SAME financial rewards as those who did work hard, and majored in something difficult, but it leads to a guaranteed job like engineering, computer programming, medicine, teaching etc… ALL this will lead do is less and less people busting ass in high school, or going to college! Why should anyone save up for a ticket to watch the game, if the government will simply give everyone a box to look over the fence, anyway? If you take away the financial insensitive for working hard in high school, or going to college… why would anyone ever do it? If we are all getting free boxes, I’ll be damed if I’m going to work MY ass of just to pay for everyone else’s fucking box!
@007kingifrit don’t misunderstand me, I believe we agree on this!
“Equity” in this context means that (in their words) due to structural inequities, implicit bias, and intersectionality, some people may have reasons why they don’t want to study and work hard, therefore me working hard and getting into a good college is a function of white supremacy! I say the opposite! I believe that the soft bigotry of low expectations is WAY worse for any minority groups! Example: if someone says that “voter ID requirements” are racist or they are a function of white supremacy, I would ask why! Why is it that asking for identification is racist against blacks? Do you believe African Americans are not smart enough to figure out how to get a drivers license or a free identification card? Because that is the only thing that could possibly make requiring identification to vote racist! If ANYONE truly believes that… who’s the racist? The state who passes a law that ID is required to vote… for EVERYONE, or the organization that says “that’s racist! You’re just trying to prevent black voters from being able to vote” in this country you need an ID to open a bank account, cash a check, jet a job, cash THAT check, board a plane, get on amtrack, rent an apartment, buy a house, even buy a car, or register a car bought privately, get auto insurance, see a doctor, visit the emergency room. NO adult can function in this country without an ID, yet SUDDENLY, it’s racist to ask African Americans for an ID to vote… THAT is the REAL racism!
@CrazyGirl2 yea their assertion that ALL inequality must be a function of discrimmination is just not worldly. some people just have bad culture and ideas and they can't better themselves if you give them something else to blame
I see where you're logic is going and it seems to be well intended. But equity takes away equality. Obviously every situation will be different and some will understandably need equity, but I believe that it's already being done in many aspects. But equity does not equal equality for everyone and causes other's to sacrifice more than they should. We are already living in a world of unequality and enforcing equity will only make it worse. That's why there are grants and nonprofit organizations. People are already choosing to give more to ensure equity. Most understand already that life isn't always fair. Enforcing equity will only make life unfair for all.
Absolutely. I also wonder how many will support this idea when they realize whay they personally have to give up to make it happen. "Okay kids, hand over your iPhones." Equality of opportunity is just. Helping those who are disadvantaged is moral. Insisting on equality of outcomes is niether.
This is slightly flawed logic on one regard: People have no ability to control their height. For example, should someone who chooses to work only 20 hour weeks but has to pay a lot of bills for their diabetes really be paid more than someone who works 60+ hours but is in perfect health? Both have their basic needs covered, but there's something inherently unfair about it.
In a society like this, that man who was working 60+ hours would drop to work as little as possible. After all, why work harder if you don't get more out of it? In a few communistic countries we can see this happening. I met with the founder of "I <3 Bulgaria" (an orphanage charity for Bulgarians), who informed me that the construction was taking 40+ years for very basic buildings simply because the workers had no reason to work any harder.
However, on things that are entirely out of our control, equity is the superior method.
@Hshsbsb this is the 2nd time on this post you have responded to a long well thought out paragraph with a one sentence insult. if you're not smart enough to contribute detailed responses or at least thought provoking ones... maybe fuck off and let the adults converse?
@junelady yea this is one problem with "equity" (i call it equality of outcome) its an inherent race to the bottom as all the lazy people will just go "eh im gana get the same outcome anyways" and try less hard. infact everyone will try less hard.
a free society has unequal outcomes... and that's ok
Right now, there is such an uneven balance if freedom and power, so equality is the first major step. Once that has been achieved, then additional privileges can be carfuly given to those with various disadvantages to give them the boosts they need.
One of the big problems right now, is there are so many voices trying to fix so many wrongs that need to be fixed, that the focus is split to much and progress on everything is to slow. Pick the big issue, fix that then move onto the new biggest issue.
you are wrong on so many levels
1. equality will never exist. freedom is anti equality because it rewards people based on who they are. some will rise and some will fall. you can't get to equality as long as people are free... and i like being free
2. if people are going to get advantages for being inferior... everyone will stop working hard. equity is a race to the bottom
We actually need both bro.
https://brothersacademy.org/equity-in-education/?gclid=CjwKCAjw3pWDBhB3EiwAV1c5rHFCCnpMFd7vHh-idc7RBPtHfIvt42fYeZLYcAhZAFXDFMprselZuhoCkIIQAvD_BwE
Equality for the social understanding to be fair and impartial but equity to realize that just because we have different gifts and needs does not mean one is better than the other.
we need neither. they are synonymes. equality means equality of opportunity and equity means equality of outcome and we need to realize that people pass their outcome onto their kids and so both equality of outcome and equality of opportunity and the same thing. if you don't have both you have neither... and you can't have either because people are inherently unequal
yes some people ARE better than one another
No one is entitled to that view. If you need more crates, you earn more crates, or be a decent human being and rely on charity.
You don't act entitled to steal someone else's crate because of envy. THOU SHALT NOT COVET! That is not that hard to understand!
But don't be deceived : the current mob most talking about "equity" have made clear to me that they aren't even content with your illustration's definition.
Their definition, is that they take all the crates from everyone who isn't them, beat the tall guy to death, gorge on his flesh like a zombie horde , and use his bones sharpened into daggers to impale anyone who complains!
Equity like that is of the Devil!
I guess what is implied with equality is normally equality of opportunity.
And with that an implicit acknowledgement that people are not the same and you're allowing a meritocrlsy to determine how successful people actually become. Trusting in both the people and the system.
For some, that's not enough and they want to game the system (perhaps because they feel the system is biased or they don't trust people to make the 'right' decisions) in order to achieve the outcome for their favoured group that they want. This is not a meritocrlsy. This is equality of outcome.
I think many would accept some level of equality of outcome because some people do need more help them others but that this kind of help does not elevate those in need above those that can do it for themselves. So both forms of equality can then apply.
But WHO makes it "Equitable"? Do we all have to settle, for a lower level of boxes, or do the shorter people figure out how to make their own boxes? What if the 'boxes' cost money?
Should I be 'Taxed', and that money used to buy 'boxes' for the hypothetical 'shorter' people, so that they can compete, on what some seem to think is an EQUAL field?
Sounds a lot like "Affirmative Action" when some under-qualified were hired into positions, to fill some 'quota' based on what? A government 'standard' based on, what?
I've seen that image before. If I'm not mistaken, "equality" means giving everyone the same opportunities without taking their needs into consideration. While "equity" means giving everyone the same opportunities but based on their needs and conditions.
You're right, many people talk about things they know nothing about. I don't like doing that, if I don't know I don't talk at all.
There's a family who basically owns the whole town centre here. One of the members gave an interview to financial times and when they asked what advice he'd give to people who want to repeat his success he said "you better have some ancestors being mate with William the conqueror." The fuckers kept inheriting money for like a thousand years, which is to be fair a little impressive that noone fucked it up, but still it isn't equality. I don't want equity I want hierarchy, but the condition of hierarchy should not be based on where we were born, but how capable we are.
We already have both in abundance. There's already a legal requirement to provide them where practicable. As for the picture perhaps they should prove they're equal by paying for admission like everyone else.
@Pete671 i would shoot any person who tried to force such a racist policy on me. i don't owe you money for being black
That meme is pretty cliché by now, and it doesn't represent the reality of the issue. Like anything related to equality or equality, the devil is in the details.
The so called gender pay gap is a great example. Women have it within their power to earn as much as men do, but their life choices lead to women earning less on average than men. Should we achieve equity by paying women more when they choose to study less demanding majors and choose to go into social studies rather that law, medicine or science? I think not.
Yeah so fair when one person works their ass off just to eat while someone else does nothing and still gets the same amount of food. Remember how with slavery both the master and the slave got to eat, but one worked harder than the other? That was totally fair considering they both got to eat dinner at the end of the day right?
I support equality, not enabling.
I support equity, not entitlement.
Everyone should have an opportunity to make something of himself, but only you can use it to get where you want to go in life or to make your own choices; no one can do either for you.
The strong should help the weak, but the weak are not owed the assistance of the strong.
so you used a lot of impossible word combinations here that sound nice but once we really understand them they don't work in the real world. equity means equality of outcome. you said you wanted equality of opportunity for people
there are 2 problems with this:
1. people are inherently unequal and thus can never have equal opportunities. some are smarter, some are prettier, some are more driven and thus will always be unequal
2. one generation's equality of opportunity is the last generation's equality of outcome because we pass our wealth onto our kids. so equity and equality are really the same thing. both are impossible
Why waste time and resources on those who can't succeed on their own? The issue in our country is that we try to pretend that 'every life matters' when in reality, we could do away with about 25% of our population and IMPROVE as a society. Instead of wasting money on the poor, that money could be used to research better ways of living for those actually contributing to our society.
We honestly just need to set up an island country for the poor to be shipped. They would be given plant seeds, wood and basic resources to survive on their own, but they have to grow their own crops and maintain their own shelters. It would be the USPA... United States of Poor America.
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