What Some People Don't Seem To Understand About Equality

[Anonymous]

After seeing this reference repeatedly over social media, I'm getting pretty f*cking agitated.

So for anyone who agrees with this post, here is what equality for females should mean:

1. Equal Pay

2. Equal Rights

3. Equal Freedom Of Speech

4. Equal Respect

Equal rights for women does not mean women are physically equal to you. And based on my beliefs, and the beliefs of many others, treating women with equal rights and respect does not under any circumstances give a man the right to physically hit a female.

We are mentally equal to you.

We are emotionally equal to you.

We are humanly equal to you.

We are not physically equal to you.

Do you understand the fucking difference?

[Chief16]

Yeah, completely agreed.
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Violence is wrong. If you wanna preach nonviolence, tell it to both sexes. Just cause men are physically more tolerant to pain, doesn't mean we're immune to it. And its definitely no excuse for the 'don't hit back' thing you've going on here. Violence is wrong. Doesn't matter who it is. Doesn't matter what the context it is.
P. S
Equal rights and respect does not under any circumstances give a woman the right to physically hit a man. And obviously vice versa.

[Kko123]

Hitting is NEVER appropriate in a relationship. It's physical abuse! You said it all, Chief16!

[Nice_Guy_Last]

Actually, although we are much more capable of physically doling it out, men actually have a lower pain threshold. We feel pain more vividly than women do.

[Kko123]

@Nice_Guy_Last I've heard that before, because of having to give birth. But that still doesn't make it okay for either partner to hit.

[Nice_Guy_Last]

@Kko123 No I agree. Violence should never be a part or a relationship.

[lightlysaltedchips]

@Kko123 I thought periods are the reason why you can get used to pain? you aren't just born with better pain tolerance you get used to it overtime

[Kko123]

@lightlysaltedchips That's possible. I haven't actually researched it at all, so I don't even know if it's scientifically proven. It's just something I've heard through the grape vine. Periods aren't bad for every woman. Giving birth on the other hand, is.

[Kirah]

"treating women with equal rights and respect does not under any circumstances give a man the right to physically hit a female."

Right, and same goes the other way around. After all, not all men are stronger than all women. I'm stronger than a few of my guy friends. You don't get a free pass for being female.

If a weaker man hits a stronger man, you don't tell the stronger man "you can't hit him back!!", so why should this be any different?

[Kirah]

Honestly, this whole debacle of "you can't hit a woman, ever!!" just reeks of sexism, unless you follow it up with "you can't hit a man, ever".

[hellionthesage]

But women have all of that and more? Their is no wage gap except in a few fields all of which are beneficial to women like modeling (the highest paid female model made 43 million life time earnings, the highest paid male model made 1.3 million) STEM fields (thanks to unfair hireing practices i. e. female highering quotas) and in social work where women make a dollar more then their male counter parts. So shouldn't it be equal pay for men? Women receive a third of the sentencing for commiting the same crime as men. Women receive equal or better custody of children 91% of the time compared to a mans 46% of the time due to court room bias. Women receive alimony and child support 80% of the time despite the fact that 80% of all divorces are filed by women, and if a woman cheats on her husband it in no way shape or form affects her ability to get alimony child support or by extention custody of her children despite her being the reason for the destruction of the marriage. Under federal law women have the right to choose to be a parent having the option of abortion, abandoning the child (safe haven laws), or give up the child for adoption. A man not only cannot avoid parentage if the woman decides it (she decides whether he is a the parent (paternity fraud is not illegal) and whether or not he gets to be in the childs life or not and she decides whether or not he pays child support all of which is out of his hands despite her getting to make those decisions for herself and for him. She can do all of these things with out the fathers consent, she can literally give the mans child away or kill it without any legal ramifications he doesn't even have to be notified. The court ruling hermsmenn vs. seyer stated that regardless of circumstances a man was obligated to pay child support, the land mark ruling which has been upheld in almost every state was one where a woman raped a 12 year old boy then sued him for child support, successfully.(this has happened multiple times). So shouldn't it be equal rights for men since clearly women already have far more rights then men do? Medical spending for women is 3x greater then for men in both public and private sectors. Prostate cancer kills more men then breast cancer kills women by a significant margin, yet breast cancer gets 2.5x the spending and research and all the publicity while prostate cancer gets none.

[hellionthesage]

Men are shown as abusers despite the fact that 70% of all nonreciprocal violence is perpetrated by women against men, and over all men are more likely to be victims of both domestic violence (violence from women) and over all violence (80% of all violent crime victims are male). 98% of all work place accidents and deaths are male, 75% of all suicide victims are male. 80% of the homeless are males (despite this feminist claim that poverty is a "women's issue"). Men in all mediums are portrayed as violent and abusive (despite again women being more likely to abuse their partner then men) as rapist (despite the fact that less then 4% of the population is responsible for all rapes and most sex crimes and the fact that according to the CDC, NCVS women rape men at almost the same rates) and as incompetent bumbling idiots when in a father role (if their not being violent) so shouldn't it be equal respect for men since clearly women are the only ones getting that as well?

[hellionthesage]

And when men bring up these facts all of which are backed by evidence they are shut down accused of being misogynist and hating women so when reffering to freedom of speech shouldn't it be freedom of speech for men as they are the ones constantly censored when they bring up their issues? This is what is wrong with the notion of feminism. Its not about equality its about priviledge and power. Women have always been treated better then men now its to such an insane degree that women are no longer able to reliably play the victim card because its just to blatently one sided.

[Kylesar]

"Treating women with equal rights and respect does not under any circumstances give a man the right to physically hit a female."

Bullshit. I don't know why women keep trying to defend women assaulting men. You hit me, I hit back. I'm not looking to hit a woman, but I will if I have to. I will stand up for myself and not take ANYONE'S shit

What if she has a weapon and clearly intends to use it? There's an entire show, called Deadly Women DEDICATED to women who kill. Do you try to restrain her then and get shot or stabbed in the process?

I'm sick and tired of women trying to do whatever they can to assault men and get away with it with the gender card. Your weaker strength doesn't entitle you to do whatever you want.

If you're mentally, emotionally, and humanly equal, you're smart enough to know you risk getting your ass beat if you try to assault someone stronger than you.

Keep your hands off of me and I'll keep mine off of you. Call me a misogynist, woman beater, whatever. If you can't show me enough respect to not hit me, don't expect me to respect you enough to not hit you BACK

Get this feminazi, superiority bullshit out of here. You clearly only care for equality when it benefits you. You want everything in the world equal to men EXCEPT equal accountability.

[10dsw]

Equality at it's best:

My co-worker's brother's wife has never had a job but was overly good looking and swooped into his life (he was a bit of a pushover himself). They had 4 kids. After 10 years of being together there was a domestic violence incident where she stabbed him once. She then stabbed him 71 more times. Surprisingly he survived.

She claimed "self-defence" in the court room and received 2 years probation and custody of the children 4 days a week. Moreover she took possession of his home and 70% of his assets.

He now lives in an RV and is likely going to have his custody reduced because the court claims that an RV is not a suitable living environment for the children.

Let's break this down. He had a successful career as a fireman. He had a home. He was a loving, caring father. Custody of his kids was granted a woman who has never had a job and who attempted to murder her husband. Stabbing someone 72 times is not self-defence, sorry.

Equality at it's best.

[MagiAlphaOne]

I have read about this way too much! Ladies, this is a great example of why Men won't marry you. Domestic violence. 50% divorce rate. False rape charges. The Family Court System that sides with Women the majority of the time. I could go on and on. What woman would want him now? 70% of his assets are gone. Since the ex-wife has custody of the kids, he is paying child support on four kids. If he ever looses his Job, GOD HELP HIM! He could end up in jail because of his inability to pay child support.

[10dsw]

@MagiAlphaOne Well I'm not getting married that's for sure. I drive my car knowing there's a less then 1% chance I will get in an accident and die, and yet I still feel uncomfortable...

And I'm supposed to spend $30,000 on a 50% chance that half my assets will be taken away, as well as my kids and knowing that I will have to pay alimony?

Thanks for the comment MagiAlphaOne. Agreed, this is why marriage rates have plummeted. People (in general) are smartening up.

[FakeName123]

Actions > Words.

You can keep up with your internet-feminism all you want, but the reality is different.

1. Equal Pay -> You get paid the same if you perform the same. If your decision is to work less overtime and such you naturally earn less.

2. Equal Rights -> There is not a single right in the west that men have and women don't. There are a few where it is the different way around

3. Equal Freedom Of Speech -> Freedom of speech is free of gender

4. Equal Respect -> Respect is earned and not inherently given. What you mean is common courtesy. I can show common courtesy to a person I do not respect.

"We are mentally equal to you."
"We are emotionally equal to you."

Both are wrong since the male and female brain operate very differently.

Conclusion: Think before you write.

[dragonfly6516]

I'm offended by your implication that a woman cannot be as physically strong as a man. They may have a higher threshold for pain in some instances, but we can be just as tough.

If a woman physically assaults and attacks a man for any reason other than in self defense, he has just as much right as she does to defend himself. If you don't want to get hit, then don't hit others! What happened to "treat others the way you want to be treated"?

I'm not saying he should hit her with his full force, but he does have a right to attempt to stop any assailant from trying to cause UNDO physical harm. There are too many women out they're going around just hitting men for shallow petty superficial reasons just because they think it's OK, because they think they won't get hit back. And most men won't hit a woman even in self defense because they know most woman can't take that much pain.

[dragonfly6516]

@TheTrueLordJ

[ScottSummers]

ty , you are amazing XD

[TheTrueLordJ]

I agree completely. Since you are my girlfriend, you already know that I will most likely never hit a female, even if provoked. However, that could change if I am very agitated and/or pushed to the edge. For example, if I am being hit by a female, I will tell her to stop three times. Three, because maybe she didn't hear me the first two times over her hand/fist/whatever hitting me. After that, I may hit back in self-defense. If you can't take it, don't dish it.

[Anonymous]

Bullshit!

1. Equal Pay
2. Equal Rights
3. Equal Freedom Of Speech
4. Equal Respect

You have all of those by law. What we need is an educational, legal, political and media system that doesn't condone and encourage sexism against men. What feminsim means is:

A media that depicts men as morons and women as superhuman
A school system that treats boys as defective girls
A government that hands out billions of dollars more in aid to women
A labor market where it is acceptable to deny men jobs because of their sex
An arena where men are silenced for speaking the truth about what feminism is.
A society where it is acceptable to abuse men, even found funny

You are not only equal, you have way more rights and special treatment than men, its sexist and disgusting.

Do you understand the fucking difference? Doubtful, like other feminists your hate has probably blinded you...

[Jager66]

You assault someone don't be surprised when they defend them selves and beat your ass down, regardless of gender. If I punch The Rock in the face and he beats my ass I have it coming, relative strength has nothing to do with it.

Also, notice how you don;t care if men have equality only that women get it, you are not for equality you are for Feminism/gynocentrism/superiority.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BNxVAWcu7Q

[jamiejean1021]

I'm just hung up on the phrase "you don't care if men have equality" What rights do women have legally and socially that men do not? What is it that is 'unjust' towards men?

It is a simple fact that the male gender as a whole (yes there are exceptions) are physically built differently than women. That's why, as equal rights would have it, women are free to apply to the NFL and Navy SEALS, legally.. they can do so, but thus far women have been unable to meet the same physical demands as the men fighting for those same positions.

Legally there is no different punishment for a man hitting a woman, as there is for a man hitting another man, either way it is assault and battery and you're going to jail for it... the difference is, as a man, why would you WANT to physically injure a woman who you know to be at a disadvantage physically? Toddlers throw tantrums and hit their parents... that doesn't give the parents a right to beat them for it.

[Thisperson98]

@jamiejean1021 if a grown person punches me, I will punch them back, I don't care if they are male or female. They deserve it.

[Jager66]

@jamiejean1021 A legal right is : Lawfully guaranteed powers a legal entity acquires from winning a court decision.

Some of the rights women have that men don't,
-The presumption of innocence in a DV dispute.
-They are 165% less likely to be convicted of the same crime.
-They receive 63% shorter sentences.
-They are not discriminated against in school and University.
-Paternity fraud isn't considered a crime, the only gendered crime.
-The right to vote, without the expectation to die for that vote.
-The right to genital integrity.
-The right to social programs (eg: 50% of DV victims are men, 1% of funding goes to men)
-The right to choose parenthood.
-The right to be assumed competent care givers for children.
-The right to call unwanted, coerced sex, from the opposite gender rape.
-The right not to be assumed sexual predators.
-The right to government enforced gender quotas.
-The right to gendered tax benefits for being a business owner.
-The presumption of innocence in college rape

[Milomir]

I'm all for equality
Real equality, where we are humans and not males/females
Girls should be able to work wherever they want, oil drill? Np, as long as she can handle the job as a man can.

Same job, same amount of work = same pay

Literaly everything should be the same for both sexes, female being weaker than male has nothing to do with anything. There are females who are stronger than males

Also, if a girl gets pregnant both female and male should decide what to do. Female can't abort on her own

[ScottSummers]

1:31 what is her problem? She thinks its funny to abuse poor guy sleeping there doing nothing?
Women like her are disgusting.

[Jager66]

@ScottSummers yeah seriously! she's all laughing like it was cute be to an abusive cunt.

[TheTrueLordJ]

I disagree. My girlfriend already commented on here, and I have my response to her, so now I will givebitnto you as well. I would most likely never hit a female, even if provoked. However, that could change if I am very agitated and/or pushed to the edge. For example, if I am being hit by a female, I will tell her to stop three times. Three, because maybe she didn't hear me the first two times over her hand/fist/whatever hitting me. After that, I may hit back in self-defense. If you can't take it, don't dish it.

[MagiAlphaOne]

Thats what I call "Chivalry 2.0". LOVE IT! If a woman decides to hit a Man and she won't stop, hit her back. Youtube is full of videos of women attacking men. Some of them are on subways where its impossible for the Man to retreat. He has no choice but to hit back.

[Fearless_banana]

If you stood for equality you wouldn't be supporting feminism. It's a good thought in theory but the reality is that women and men are not biologically wired the same no matter how hard leftist try to push that. I stand for equality but it is much more complex than that first picture. What I don't stand for is supremacy and entitlements. Third-wave feminism is exactly that. You can support equal rights without being a femininst.

[MagiAlphaOne]

AWESOME! Feminist often say that if you are for equality, then you are a Feminist. FALSE. Feminists don't own "equality". There is Egalitarianism!
Fearless_banana, I hope your take pisses off some Feminists!

[Anonymous]

What kind of bullshit is that? First of all they're women who are stronger than men which I hope you know by now. Second domestic violence against men have been increasing over the years. Third if a woman is trying to attack me with a knife and kill me what the fuck am I supposed to do? Die? You need to rethink this shit.

[MagiAlphaOne]

Women that lack strength compensate with a weapon (knife). They also manipulate or even pay other Men to hurt/kill him. This will go against the narrative, Women AND Men actually abuse each other equally!

[alb84]

equal rights for women, means that a women who hits a man, has to be as harshly punished as a man who hits a women... LAWS (SHOULD) JUDGE ACTIONS.. NOT GENDER.. OR RACE.. OR HEIGHT, OR WHATEVER.

you can have equality, or you can have privilege... you can't have both.

[99percentangel]

Nah if I hit anyone I certainly fucking hope they defend themselves. I don't care if I'm a girl. If anyone hits ANYONE, they should get hit back. If someone hits me, man or female, I will defend myself, and I hope if I ever strike someone (which I won't) they defend themselves.

[Righttobeararms83]

Be that as it may everyone has the right to defend themselves regardless of the gender of their attacker. If you violently attack someone and are physically weaker then that's not your victims fault and thus deserve to be put down. This strikes of justifying domestic abuse which is always wrong man or woman.

[Anonymous]

You have failed to define equality between men and women. But here is my take on this...
1. Equal Pay (if all factors, besides gender, are equal)
2. Equal Rights (law and privilege does not discriminate between gender)
3. Equal Freedom Of Speech (no brainer, everyone should get that)
4. Equal Respect (if all factors, besides gender, are equal)

[frecklejuice]

I'm not sure if I agree with your take. The issue is that some women tend to use the physical difference as a justification to commit physical violence against men. "We are weaker, so you can't hit me back." This makes no sense to me.

Yes, we are physically different. That's why we shouldn't go shirtless in public. Yes, we are physically different, that's why we get maternal benefits and other privileges pertaining to women only. But to use that to justify physical abuse against men?

[Alex88F]

We are mentally equal to you. < then stop for the love of god providing or encorauging women in being total sluts and in the same time princesses or sex-and-the-city wannabe witches.

We are emotionally equal to you. < nah i dont think so. males are more rational and women more emotional.

We are humanly equal to you. < true. we should have the same rights

We are not physically equal to you. < false, it's all about hormones. work out really hard and you can get buffer than any other guy

[Anpu23]

There are times when self defense is called for, a legitimate threat to your well being is one of them. In domestic violence situations a woman are more likely to use a weapon then a man. A person who is attacking you with a knife is a legitimate target, just as an example.

[Anonymous]

- AS LONG AS WOMEN DON'T APPROACH GUYS NOR ASK THEM OUT
- AS LONG AS THE GUY HAS TO DO ALL THE EFFORT FOR BEING AROUND
- AS LONG AS WOMEN CARE ABOUT HIS MONEY, JOB
- AS LONG AS WOMEN REJECT MEN BECAUSE OF THEIR NICE PERSONALITY (BECAUSE IT'S NOT MASCULINE... HE'S NOT AN ALPHA, NOT SO DOMINANT AND CARRYING)
- AS LONG AS WOMEN DON'T COMPLIMENT MEN THE WAY MEN DO
- AS LONG AS WOMEN JUDGE MEN'S PERSONALITY BY THEIR LOOKS MORE THAN MEN
- AS LONG AS WOMEN "CAN" CRY, BE SENSITIVE, AND SUBMISSIVE AND MEN CAN'T BECAUSE IT'S NOT WELL LOOKED UPON

--> WE'LL NEVER BE IN A POSITION TO TALK ABOUT EQUALITY

[Phoenix98]

Well "your" type of feminism isn't the type of feminism most people follow and third wave feminism is not at all about equal rights in any way shape of form. It's a hate/supremacy group, nothing more.

Also your wrong on some of the things at the bottom.

[NanaXXXX]

Actually she is right pretty much with the entire article. The only problem is that girls with this understaning of feminism fear to call themselves "feminists", because too many angry people (both men and women) have ruined the reputation.

If anyone tries to use "feminism" as an excuse to spread hate, they are just idiots.

[Phoenix98]

@NanaXXXX Not really, plenty of evidence to show the contrary.

[NanaXXXX]

What evidence?

Maybe you just hang out with the wrong type of people, because everyone I know has the exact same understanding of feminism that the mytake author has. . .

[Fearless_banana]

@NanaXXXX No the OP is wrong and science can confirm that. We are not biologically wired the same and it's only within our generation that women are trying so hard to go against the grain and defy that.

[Fearless_banana]

@NanaXXXX You can't just dismiss and render biological science all null because it fits your narrative.

[NanaXXXX]

@Fearless_banana I agree - and never said we were biologically wired the same. Men and women will never fully be same, since there's a biological difference. But that isn't an excuse to not try to achieve rights that are as close to equality as possible.

[Thisperson98]

@NanaXXXX what right do you not have? You probably have more rights than I do.

[Fearless_banana]

@NanaXXXX Sure. Then I suppose you are admitting that what the last part the OP said was false because we are not emotionally or mentally equal. We are quite different.

Equal right? Women are already there. They have been there. Feminism was great during the Susan B Anthony days and the suffrage movement. There is absolutely no need for feminism here in the US anymore. I'm for equality not for supremacy and entitlements.

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1. Equal Pay
2. Equal Rights
3. Equal Freedom Of Speech
4. Equal Respect

Women literally have all of that.. we have a woman running for President. Women are graduating university at a higher rate for a reason. Seriously what else do they want? It's a bullshit movement.

[Fearless_banana]

@Thisperson98 It's funny you mention that because in theory women actually have more rights than men do from a sociological perspective. Much more.

[Fearless_banana]

That sounded like I'm disagreeing with you but I am actually agreeing and adding onto your statement.

[NanaXXXX]

@Fearless_banana Well. . . I would really like to see how we have more rights than men? Susan B. Anthony. . . really? ;)

We have those in theory. But that's the point. Society lacks in following through with them. Women get paid less for the exact same amount of work and effort they put into their work. This isn't being entitled or suppressing anyone.

Concerning University: There generally are more women doing their degree. But not because men don't have the chance to. Yet, ironically, a majority of professors are white, heterosexual males. . . (Isn't always the systems fault. Just saying)

[Fearless_banana]

@NanaXXXX I said from a sociological perspective you do. Women have been given the upperhand socially in every way. Now they have the justice system backing that with ridiculous laws like when I mentioned Rape by deception above in that other opinion.

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Women do not get paid less by any means in my country. That has been debunked numerous times now and pretty much everyone has recognized that so you're late on the bandwagon there. No reputable economist will ever vouch for any wage gap between men and women in the US.

[Fearless_banana]

@NanaXXXX Why would you discredit Susan B Anthony. She was an extremely important femininst figure and woman's right activist. Social reform would be an understatement.

[Fearless_banana]

You saying you get paid less than men when you work just is hard is actually some false victim entitlement which is exactly what I said I don't stand for. It is considered to be false because there is factual information that has been proven to show that. So riddle me this.. if we are equal within terms of our paygrade and women are pushing for more.. wouldn't that be deemed towards supremacy?

[Thisperson98]

@NanaXXXX What wage gap? Most of the studies that say their is a wage gap, never tells you the hours that the people work.

[NanaXXXX]

@Fearless_banana :) I didn't mean to discredit her. We need to focus on what is happening in the time we live in though. Not a hundred years ago. Then please enlighten me about how it was debunked.

Those laws might seem ridiculous, but they are posing to disable people to be jerks. If nothing of that kind happens there will be no consequences. If those things happened to men and they would go to court over it, there should be equal or similar consequences.

[Fearless_banana]

@NanaXXXX No it's ridiculous. It's making men fear approaching women sexually. It's giving women the upperhand socially for reasons I've already explained. How many times do you tell white lies when you meet someone that you are interested in to make yourself appear better than you actually are. We actually ALL do it. Men do it more so because men biologically initiators given the context we are referring to.

[Fearless_banana]

@NanaXXXX https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uccExOPMrI
This is reality. Men and Women ARE not the same sexually. People are laughing at this guy complaining because he sounds fucking ridiculous. People naturally recognize that men are the initiators. His actions in this situation is deemed odd for a reason.

[Fearless_banana]

Are not the same socially*

[NanaXXXX]

Don't get too heated up over this. All I am saying is: If you consider me wrong, then show me a proper argument or statistic that proves your point. If I am wrong, I will gladly acknowledge it.

How is asking for a raise victim entitlement? It was if you tried to drag the other person down. But standing up for yourself in order to get paid more (in a reasonable manner) isn't being a victim. If we were, of course it would be. Would you still consider it supremacy if we were equal in that matter and a man pushed for a rise?

@Thisperson98 You might not believe this, but I do agree on this one. As I've just said before. A lot of times people have different hours or different effort put into their work. It's hard to measure this. If they work more or harder they (no matter if man or woman) need to be paid more.

[Fearless_banana]

@NanaXXXX I'm not getting heated up at all. I debated at my college for a year. I love this stuff.

[DouglasM]

One of the problems is that many people start off believing the propaganda that feminism=equality yet have not actually read any of the feminist literature that formed feminist policy, nor examined the actions of current feminist organisations. By the time they get around to doing so, they often have been defending the same lie and find it hard to change their attitude.

So long as someone believes that feminism=equality, they won't even ask why feminism arose at the same time - and as a counterpoint to - egalitarianism. Instead, anyone holding egalitarian views will be accused of being against feminism (correctly) and therefore agaisnt equality (clearly wrongly).

[admles]

"We are not physically equal to you."

So? This doesn't mean you get a free pass if a man hits you.

Raise your hand in violence to anyone, expect to get hit back. End of story.