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What Some People Don't Seem To Understand About Equality (Page 2)
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Equal rights does not mean equal.
Very few women are mentally equal to me. Very few men are either.
Many women have this thing called PMS. Never had it myself, but there are some women for whom I have marked on the calendar when to avoid them.
One woman army captain I met one time is not physically equal to me. If we were in a firefight together, I want her in front.
So basically, "you can't hit me, I'm a girl!!"?
How about no one hits anyone? Your pussy pass has been revoked, stop whining.
So why so much fuss about not having equality? All what you said equality is, is what women have in the West today.
There's equal pay (yes there is, read economists, not freaking feminist bloggers -_-)
There's equal rights.
There's freedom of speech (could even say women have more).
There's equal respect.
Too many whiners I see... hmmmm
There is not equal rights, unless your only definition of equal is "do women have everything that men do?"
Men are LEGALLY discriminated against. That is not my concept of equality.
Do you really believe that there is equal respect? How many times has your government discussd male isses in the oast year, and now often female issues? How many times have public discussions of female matters been disrupted by agitators, and now many times have feminists disrupted attempts for men and women to talk about male matters?
Sorry but you can't have your cake and eat it. If we go by your flawed logic then that means a weak man can hit a strong man and the strong man isn't allowed to hit the weak man back. Truth is, feminism is not about equality. Women already have more rights and privileges than men in the Western world. Feminism is really about shaming and blaming men and getting more women into positions of power and authority. Fuck feminism.
We are mentally equal to you... not you are actually not.
We are emotionally equal to you... not even closes.
We are humanly equal to you... correct.
We are not physically equal to you... correct.
There is not such thing as "equal rights for women", you have "equal rights" or you don't. Otherwise we need "equal rights for men" as well.
When men and women have equal rights by law, then the fight is won, until then we still have issues. Feminism however is counter productive, and making the law less equal.
How is feminism making the law less equal?
@NanaXXXX The American justice system favors women to an extreme. Look at this new law. This obviously fits to a woman's favor.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_by_deception
@Fearless_banana Are you really using Wikipedia to make an argument? This law is not specially in favour of women though. Only the examples given in the explanation happen to describe women having sex without consent. If these happened to a man consequences would apply accordingly.
@NanaXXXX @NanaXXXX It is in favor for women though. THe logic behind why I say this is men biologically initiators. Men who initiate women for sex have to sell themselves in the best way to impress the women enough to see him as a suitable partner. The woman being initiated would have no motive to tell white lies to get in someone's pants. It's making men fear women more than ever thus putting women in a higher position socially.
The definition of consent has been mistreated and maniupulated by third wave femininst. Regret is not rape and the US justice system seems to believe that these days. I can back that with factual statistics and information if you like. That is supremacy and entitlement.
I don't know why you would discredit wikipedia as a source either.
@Fearless_banana Because anyone can edit and rewrite a Wikipedia article.
You're right. A lot of people are misusing power to make up for what they regret. That is not limited to women though. You disagreeing with what I've said doesn't make your opinion the right one...
Men aren't actually "biologically" initiators. They socially are though. But I really don't see how you think justifying a man having sex with a woman, who isn't his girlfriend, while she is fully asleep, by saying "they are biogically initiators and have to prove themselves" make any sense at all. If someone is asleep or unconscious it happened without approval of any kind.
@NanaXXXX The law is still there and I will provide sources elsewhere if needed.
"You're right. A lot of people are misusing power to make up for what they regret. That is not limited to women though."
It's absolutely tailored towards women though. Men aren't going to be utilizing this law to sue women for a very logical reason. Women aren't pursuing men sexually at the rate men are. There is no motive as to why a women would have to make up white lies given our social statuses as men and women.
Men are absolutely initiators given the context we are talking about. I can provide factual information to back my claim when I say that. Like I said before you can't just discredit factual biological science to fit your unhinged narrative.
@NanaXXXX That context of you saying a man fucking a woman while she is asleep and drunk fits your narrative as well. Most rape cases in the US have been in the following sequential order.
>Man and Woman get drunk at a college party
>They make out
>They go to the bedroom and decide to fuck each other both being drunk
>Woman wakes up the next day and says omg I don't remember what happened
>Then she claims rape and wins the case
That's regret.. not rape and that's how most cases have gone down if you bother to read any of them. THe situation you described is a rarity. That is rape and men are held accountable to their actions in a circumstance like that.
@Fearless_banana :D I love how we're the only ones arguing about this. We migh just have to agree to disagree. It might be tailored to women, but that doesn't mean they are going to misuse it. That's what a judge is for.
"Women aren't pursuing men sexually at the rate men are. There is no motive as to why a women would have to make up white lies." "Men are absolutely initiators given the context we are talking about. Like I said before you can't just discredit factual biological science to fit your unhinged narrative."
You don't need to provide any kind of evidence, dude. Men might be initiators to sex, but that doesn't mean they don't have to reflect on the consequences of their actions.
There might be some case in which this actually happens and women try to make up for what they regret. But most of the time people don't know what if force was involved. There are also cases out there in which women are drugged or pass out and then are actively raped without their consent.
Because of cases like those you described those people are having a hard time even being taken seriously. And they don't always get justice. There also are a lot of cases in which men think they can do whatever and not be held accountable. These laws and regulations are not made for date/party scenarios in which both play a part in how the situation evolved.
Plus (and this is actually my last public comment on here), I think this conversation escalated pretty quickly. My initial point was to say: There have been loads of people ruining the reputation of "feminism". So much so that it is now regarded as something completely different from what it should be and from how most women see this! Most women don't complain if their male counterpart works harder. Most women don't complain if they get comments on the street. It is not suppposed to degrade anyone. People who do this are jerks. No matter of their gender.
@NanaXXXX The American justice system have already established an unfair bias given those drunken situations with women. Who is to say they won't develop an unfair bias towards this one. It is tailored for women in every way and there for it give them supremacy in social situations like that. It's as clear cut as that. Men are becoming afraid to even look at women these days sexually. Yet women complain that men don't approach and are becoming pussies lol. The dynamic is all fucked up. Third wave feminism is making men and women miserable.
"There might be some case in which this actually happens"
That's that thing though. This is where the major problem arises and why I despise this movement. Social institutions are now backing this notion that regret is rape. If you took some time to actually look at these cases here in the US then you would see that everything I said is true.
@NanaXXXX Look I'm not some bitter misogynist. I'm extremely rational in my reasoning behind all of this but I absolutely despise feminism for the reasons that I've listed. They stand for supremacy and entitlements. Women in my country have equal rights and are actually in an upper hand from a sociological perspective given all that facts I've presented with you.
Most women these days don't like feminism either. My mom hates it.. my sister hates it.. my ex girlfriend said femininst made her cringe. If you thought gender wage gap was true then that tells me you haven't done your homework, I say you research the facts from an unbiased perspective and collect your thoughts. I guarantee that if you do this you will have a different perspective. You can support equal rights without being a femininst.
Wikipedia has citations after almost every sentence. I don't get why everyone has such an intense hatred of Wikipedia.
That's retarded. That isn't equality. If a woman is disrespectful enough to a man then she deserves to get hit back and vise versa.
So if you get hit by a much smaller woman is it not okay for you to retaliate? Is it not okay for a man to defend himself if a woman boxer attacks him? You're ridiculous.
i dont think people should ht people smaller than them. at least to be careful about the force. but being a woman doesn't mean you're going to be weaker/ smaller. a 6 ft 2 woman is likely not going to be weaker than a 5 ft 2 guy. likewise a 5 ft 5 woman weight lifter is not going to be weaker than a 6 ft guy who sits in a chair all day.
Unless women become capable approaching men as much as men approaching women, I call bullshit on equality. Approaching men does is not physically demanding on you now, is it ladies? You can't play the 'we're physically weaker' card here. Joke's on you!
P. S. Sorry for being crazy, I watched Suicide Squad just minutes ago! ;)
I'm in my 40s. I have never hit a woman. I haven't hit anyone outside of a martial arts scenario since I was 10.
If I see a man or a woman hurting one of my kids I'm throwing at them as hard as I can.
Combat sports are about fair fights.
Any other situation violence is only appropriate if defending yourself or someone else and in that case the entire point isn't to be fair. It's to overpower.
You are not physically equal with other women too. I bet you wound not hit a woman much stronger than you, because she would wipe the floor with you.
Do not use your gender as an excuse to be an abuser.
I'm going to say this once. Equality is NOT uniformity. Equality is egalitarianism, equal opportunity. You reap what you sow, but you have to sow. You get the right to choose, but you have to live with those choices. With every right there is an equal responsibility to use it wisely, or face the consequences, of yourself, within yourself alone, without a consequence free safety net that invalidates the gravity of those choices. You do NOT have a right to equal salary. But you have EVERY right to walk the fuck away from an employer that does not respect your talents for what they are worth, in favor of one who does. The world does not bow to what you think you deserve. But if you even have the choice to take action and better your life in the pursuit of happiness, then you have absolutely nothing to complain about. The only person responsible for your life, is you.
This was the dumbest thing I have read today, thanks
wow yeah. i guess this must be downright retarded then.
web.mit.edu/norvin/www/somethingelse/twain.html
We may be physically different but I'm still going to hit you back if you hit me.
Fuck you for spreading this bullshit about women being the exclusive target of physical violence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yi1nsxThml4Sometimes we are so blinded by the notion of equality that we forget self development in the process.
The idea of fighting for your rights seems tempting, but I always choose to EARN the deprived rights, that path is more difficult but more rewarding for the society.
Indeed. Sometimes, people need their right to equal OPPORTUNITY supported by society/law but this should never become a call for equal outcome. However, that is right where society is now, and anyone who presents facts of discrimination under the law - against males - will be shouted down.
if you hit me you are gonna get your face bashed in and i dont care what hangs between your legs.
please...
A man who isn't defending himself could be severely injured within seconds by a woman, and killed within a minute or two. 45% of severe DV victims are men. STOP FEMINAZI!!
Great MyTake... I'm sure you'd get hate by Radical Feminists for this for life if you didn't go Anon... so tell them I did it... Heh heh heh >:)
*Grabs Popcorn and awaits my victims*
Yeah, fuck this. If I hit a man he has EVERY right to hit me back. I'm a grown adult. Not a child.
what does humanly even mean? Id also say that women are mentally and emotionally different to men from personal experience and that isn't necessarily a bad thing. For some reason there's this whole thing about women doing traditionally 'mens' things purely for the sake of doing mens things. For example as I went through school girls shifted from doing rounders to doing cricket. Why? Rounders isn't inherently worse than cricket (personally rounders is more fum to play for me).
I can't STAND when a dude says "I would hit you, but your a girl" or "your too fragile" like hit me you fucking pussy!