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Why Abortion Will Always Be Murder (Page 3)
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You have to consider more than the existence of life, the quality of life is just as important. If the quality of life would be low, then perhaps it would be better off not being born. Some people live torturous lives because their quality of life is not considered.
Everyone should be given a chance. Not all is set in stone.
@123cheesecake so if the baby is addicted to crack because the parents use drugs that's just okay for you, we should see how it plays out? Many of the people who get abortions are irresponsible or not able to provide for a kid and they would destroy the kids life anyways.
@123cheesecake and then those kids turn into fucked up adults who are more of a detriment to society anyways.
Do ALL kids who lived in poverty STAYED in poverty?
Quiet a generalisation there huh?
So lets say the cops that assaulted on a racial basis means all cops have to be subdued because all of them ARE RACIST?
Do you get it yet? Its not a one size fits all. CPA are there to help if a child is being abused by their parents. Maybe the taxpayers money should GO TO THERE INSTEAD OF ABORTION CLINICS?
"Many of the people who get abortions are irresponsible or not able to provide for a kid and they would destroy the kids life anyways."
So? Let the parent suffer by forcing them to give the child to the orphanage THEN have them pay child support? The parents (parent if its a rape, have the rapist shoulder the costs) have willingly acted upon there impulses. Ding ding, become responsible for your actions.
Penalise those who have CHOSEN their paths with the appropriate response. PROTECT those which has NO SAY. Sounds familiar? Thats how justice should work!
Become more concerned with the actual innocents BY HELPING CREATE AN ENVIRONMENT that would help create opportunities for such children. Parents already damned themselves by willingly participating on an act they KNOW would create children.
Let us think logically here, with all the birth control pills, the chances of conception is actually quite slim to none. With RESPONSIBLE proper use; www.optionsforsexualhealth.org/.../effectiveness states that birth control PILL alone reduces the chances by 97%, add that with condoms and other contraceptives rationally, you'd have a better rate of just about anything rational happening to you than childbirth
NO EXCUSE. Dont come crying when you crash into someone and trying to fault them for simply BEING ON THE ROAD while you're having a little speeding joyride just because you wanted to speed and knew the risks of speeding but just can't CONTROL yourself.
Yes you're ending a life. I consider that life sub-human though. I don't value it much since it's not conscious at all. Some poeple do abortions really late into the pregnacny though at which point the fetus has some rudimentary form of consciousness and I start having a problem.
And don't give me that "it has the potential to become a conscious human being" bullshit. So does a sperm but nobody cares about the quadrillions of sperm that die every day.
Wow, 23 chromosomes does not have the genetic code to fully develop into a full human being. Stay awake in school please. Humans in average tend to have 46, but 47 can occur with some instances of genetic mutations.
what is it then if not a human? a rat or dog by any chance?
@123cheesecake A sperm on its own will not become a full human. A fetus on its own will not become a full human either.
Actually it already has the predetermined genetic code that will start producing the appropriate cells. The only difference is the cycle of the being. Picking on a fetus and saying 'its not human' is like picking on another cycle, say adolescence, and saying 'its not human. Newsflash- it is. It has been since both gametes have combined.
Prove me any case where two humans have pro created and resulted in another species being created.
Meanwhile, let me shut you up by using YOUR VERY EXISTENCE as my point. Isn't it painful that you're helping me prove my point simple by existing? Ouch!
You were once a zygote and an embryo. Case closed. Prove to me that you somehow skipped that part of the cycle- then we can talk.
@123cheesecake What does having the predetermined genetics have to do with the morality of killing something? My point is that an embryo on its own will die. Yes, I was an embryo once. Half of my genetic information was in a sperm at some point too.
Killing someone as an embryo and as an adolescent is not the same. Adolescents are conscious, embryos are not.
It is STILL a human though. Thats the bottom line. Maybe you should eat a dead human, then refute the claims of savagery by saying the corpse is no longer a human corpse and a piece of dead meat.
@123cheesecake Eating human meat has some health risks. Also it's disrespectful to the person whose body you're eating. Other than that there's really no problem with eating dead people.
An embryo cannot feel pain at eight or ten weeks gestation. I don't know who told you that, but they're wrong.
you can read that anywhere
I'm sure you can read that 2+2=5 somewhere but that doesn't make it true.
If you don't believe in them then don't have one. Just don't try to force your opinions on others.
no one has to read my my take mister
I honestly believe that it doesn't have developed mind yet and it fully in human form. That it is not considered murder. Plus would you want another child to suffer due to bad parents. Just the way I see it.
i explained that it is not what you ''believe'' in, Just because it is not fully developed it is not considered human? I know children with brain damage and some who have miss an arm or a leg, are they not human to you? It is obviously not developed because it's a fetus but it still is living it feels pain and even if it doesn't, it dies.
Like I said its just the way I see it. Have I ever done it no but I have nothing against others who do it. Every one has a right to make choices in their circumstances.
If you're accidentally pregnant and don't want children, people can adopt your child or become their foster family.
@curiousnorway true but i don't trust that system. Heard too many bad stories.
I don't particularly have a strong opinion about abortion, but right now I think if the woman becomes pregnant due to her own foolishness, she has the responsibility to raise that child or give it up for adoption - just let it live. It's disgusting that it's even possible to simply eliminate a developing life inside you. If the woman was raped, that's a different story and I don't have an opinion on that - I'll have to think about it.
my advice to prolife people
Prochoice people are insane because people who are NOT against murder of the unborn are abnormal people. They are for getting fucked and killing their babies cause they better get orgasms even if later they have to kill their babies. We should stay away from such people. They are dangerous for people who have empathy. So don't say you are against abortion. They may not only call you names but also use violence just because you defend the unborn.
Ya true, if you were hantung this irl I'd kill you wjth the bible you're probably holding.
@bente2 I believe you are capable of murder. If you are able to kill your own chlkd then what will stop you from killing other people?
True that. I just told you i'm very much capable of murder for a greater cause, to exterminate all anti-free people on this planet. I'd be happy to kill. But anortion still isn't murder. Bye sweet cheeks
@bente2 I wish all pro choice people killed themselves. I rather see them dead than the unborn
"They may not only call you names but also use violence just because you defend the unborn." Not only ironic but untrue.
How many doctors and clinics were threatened or hurt for refusing to perform abortions? Absolutely none in the US.
How many "pro-life" folk have not only threatened but actually hurt doctors and clinics that perform abortions? Definitely more than one.
Sure bb, I've had times where I'd rather see myself dead too. But that still doesn't have anything to do with abortion, just like everytime a pro lifer tries to justify their views. :')
@BuchitaBuchys if defending a human being requires using violence towards murderers then violence is justifying
Ya sure. I'll justify murder, too. I covered abortion, now let's get on with death penalty.
I hope to get fucked someday, seems nice. Byebye
Great! Really great. How about dumb people? Because you'll have no problem then!
@bente2 sluts are dumb. Only dumb women don't care about getting respect
Not true, actually. But not to worry! I'll explain!
"Slut" isn't even a real term. It's a word used to degrade women and often used wrongly if you believe it has an actual definition.
"Dumb" is subjective. You think I'm dumb because I believe in science and the choice of a woman about HER body. I think you're dumb because you're still following the bible..
I never said I didn't care about getting respect. It's just that sad people like you that take everything online super serious are hilarious to see enraged, even though I am guilty of it myself, hopefully causing others joy too. I don't need respect to be happy.
@bente2 slut is a woman who doesn't mind sleeping with many guys. You are one. You said "I hope to get fucked someday" Only sluts care about getting fucked not getting respect.
And you don't believe in science and this make syou dumb. Science proved that human life begins at conception
@llllplplpl hmmm nope. That's what meaning you give the word. I don't believe in calling people names that aren't even truly hurtful. All you're saying is 'you! You have lots of sex!' And that's not a bad thing at all. It just means you like sex, a natural part of being an animal. I am not dumb, thank you. I know very well that it starts at conception, but that still doesn't make it an actual human, a conscious being. It just makes it an embryo. It can't survive without its mum and an umbellical cord.
The only reason i said that is because sex is a whole other level of intimacy. It requires full exposure and that is something special. It doesn't matter if someone has sex, I don't respect anyone any less because of the number of partners they've been with. Respect is to be earned by personality etc. Not sexual encounters. You're the dumb one here.
Now, I won't be responding anymore because you're boring me with your continious statements that don't make sense and are the same.
@bente2 liking sex and having sex with many people are not the same.
And embryos can be killed just because they are helpless. ?
It's not justified because of the laws. You know, planned parenthood isn't breaking any laws but y'all are
@llllplplpl but neither liking sex ot having sex with a lot of people are wrong. tbh I don't care what someone does with their body, as long as they are comfortable with what they're doing.
Abortion might be morally wrong for you, but it has saved a lot of lives and spared a lot of children a sad childhood.
Honestly, I'm pro choice and... if supporting abortion and being willing to get one myself, makes me a murderer or at least potential/willing murderer, I'm OK with that.
I love debating, but... it is a human life so... I disagree it's on the same level as an actual baby that's been born, but since you are stopping a human life, it's almost undebatable to me. So I admit it then... I don't know how else to put it.
I just feel like if I decide I don't have the resources to raise a baby, then I should be able to make a choice so that it doesn't have to suffer... or me, since I could choose adoption, but pregnancy can have complications and be so...
You could say it's a little selfish, but I don't think so. It's my body and I want to protect it, and also stop a kid from suffering.
Reminder that pro choice DOES NOT mean Pro Abortion
Pro state rights does not mean pro-slavery.
hun get raped and then ill go up too you and say keep the baby of your rapist
lol
if you can do it ill be surprised
but other then that abortion is not okay
That doesn't work that way, at least not legally. If abortion is okay in the situation of rape, it must be legal in any other situation. Either it's okay to abort a fetus or it's not. After all, it's not like the fetus is at all at fault for how it was created. Hold your own personal opinions in regards to morality if you like, but legally it's ridiculous to oppose abortion in only certain situations.
If you make abortion only legal in cases of rape, a lot of innocent men are gonna end up in jail.
@cipher42
look im not saying its not wrong cause it is wrong
abortion is wrong
but how can you expect a women to hold a baby when it was through rape
its not a fun experience
she has to be REAL strong to go through with it
and most women are not that strong especially today
men and women today are mentally weak
today we can barely take advice and test things out without fighting with each other
over small things
some guy got killed for 100 dollars
you see how small that is
now GODs word said hey no abortion and he is right
but i can't control people they won't listen they believe there is no GOD cause they lack knowledge
but that's there own fault
they don't study
@tyber1
if i could i would stop abortion in general all of it
but who is gonna listen to me
So most of your argument is based on religion? That has even less legal basis, in the US in any case.
@cipher42
okay let's remove GOD anything goes
abort as much as you want doesn't matter
you go to the dirt either way
might as well rape you and your family
and kill the men
wouldn't matter either way cause nothing matters
no point to anything
Good to know you only do good things out of fear of punishment. You know that makes you a terrible person, right?
Also good to know you have no regard for the constitution. Just a great job all around and being generally terrible.
@cipher42
no i have love in me
cause GOD put love in me
remove GOD
i have no love
only anger and hate
you think you love on your own
he put love in you
so you can show love and give love
Thats what you believe. And since you believe that, you clearly believe it's not possible to take that away. So it shouldn't matter what we do or say. So actually following the constitution and not basing laws on religion should be fine, right?
@cipher42
hun are constitution is a lie
GOD made this place
he makes the rules
NO MATTER WHAT ANYONE DOES
abortion clinics there gonna be accountable
the LGBT movement there gonna be accountable
the Presidents causing war there accountable
the Women taking away the children from the father without cause there accountable to
its considered kidnapping and he has the right to murder her for what she did
now you say GOD is not real
have you even read and tested the bible?
NO you haven't
you are just talking without study
Your religion is no more valid than the thousands of other religions that have existed throughout history, your religion is no more likely to be correct than any other religion, so STFU and stop acting like your belief in God should have any bearing on other people and that they're ignorant for not being informed on the bible. The Bible is only the ultimate truth in your eyes, to the rest of us it's a boring book.
@tyber1
you haven't read it so why say its wrong
prove its wrong
@tyber1
if not shut up
The Bible makes claims about the universe. I don't have to prove it wrong, the burden of proof is on the Bible. Even a complete lack of evidence of wrongness doesn't even come close to proving that it's right.
There used to be people who were just as fervent as you in their belief in Zues and the Sun God, and they were all wrong, you have no logical reason to believe that your religious beliefs are superior, you cling to your delusions just as they did, foolishly living your life by false rules, worshipping a false entity.
@tyber1
no it isn't actually
cause im pretty sure you believe in evolution
which is what the fallen ones thought to the human race
which was written in the Annunaki text thousands of years ago
in5d.com/the-14-tablets-of-enki-the-anunnaki/
which is now taught in public schools to almost the whole earth
and you want me to follow the fallen ones lies NOPE
the difference between you and me is can have evidence for everything i believe
you have nothing
@tyber1
OHH you the the titans
they were real
zeus all those guys yes there real
and its easy to prove
Coool, so you're just a religious nutcase. Makes my job easier at least, I don't have to bother to convince you of anything since you won't listen to reason regardless. Byeee then
Genesis 6:4
There were GIANTS in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown
https://img.webme.com/pic/k/ka-ta/1.jpg
calmcrash.files.wordpress.com/.../...feet-tall.jpg
that's about 11 to 12 feet
muhammadabdo.files.wordpress.com/.../...apyrus.jpg
It was 12 ft 2 in (3.71 m) tall, weighed 2 tonnes (4000lbs) foot. tp://www.6000years. org/graphics/irish%20giant. jpg
now lets look at Greek history
TITANOMACHY
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanomachy
War of the Titans, Battle of the Titans
doesn't that sound like GIANTS fighting each other
read the story study the history
so did you think the giants had names
Cronus
Zeus
Uranus drew the enmity of Gaia when he imprisoned her children the Hecatonchires and Cyclopes in Tartarus
@tyber1
PETER 2:4
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment
@tyber1
It was 12 ft 2 in (3.71 m) tall, weighed 2 tonnes (4000lbs
www.6000years.org/graphics/irish%20giant.jpg
@tyber1
i study ancient history
you have been told its fake
your whole life
i say its real
so who is telling the truth you or me
now give me evidence for it being fake
@cipher42
come on hun prove me wrong in a religious nut job who doesn't study
@tyber1
you gave up cause im proving you wrong
you act like you know it all
prove me wrong
come you little punk lol
see you are a joke with no study
you have no idea whats going on lol
It really depends. If a girl was raped and got pregnant then by all means abort, that baby wasn't created out of love, and was probably going to a bad life. But even as someone who isn't religious, I still understand that it is a human being. The only other problem is society when you aren't prepared to have a baby. If I were a girl, I would put the baby up for adoption.
Adoption is all well and good for those who can manage it, but for some it's the pregnancy itself that's the bigger issue. So it's not as though abortion and adoption work for everyone equally.
Sure lemme talk to you when you grow a vagina, get periods and expience the pain of pregnancy and childbirth.
It's human nature. Human beings are the onl species destroying the planet. We are naturally selfish and will do the most evil things when we can get away with it. It shouldn't surprise you that abortion is acceptable in our society. Human beings have been killing each other for thousands of years. It's our evil nature.
I think people try to argue that is isn't murder or killing a living thing because it makes it seem more acceptable.
It's 100% killing a living thing...
But I still don't disagree with it. I have no right to get in between a woman and her reproduction rights.
No rational minded person would take this seriously. Roe v. Wade determined a long time ago that is a woman's right to abortion, so your belief on morality doesn't matter anymore. It stopped mattering before you were born.
I hate to be that person, but you are appealing to authority which is a logical fallacy. Heller v. DC decided long ago that the 2nd Amendment applies to all American citizens yet liberals have still been pushing to overturn that ruling.
@JRICHARDS1996 You must not be a rational minded person. As for your second amendment argument, you forget that Republicans have been pushing to outlaw guns from the mentally disabled. It goes both ways and we have overturned other retarded & unnecessary amendments as well. Humans have been having abortions for thousands of years and we're not gonna stop because a few idiots get all sad.
I am not the one who committed the logical fallacy. I am absolutely aware that Republicans have been inconsistent as well. Electing Trump who was an outspoken gun control advocate most of his life was an insane move. But that does not take away from the Democrats' disregard for the 2nd Amendment either. Humans have been murdering one another and possessing dangerous weapons for most of history yet we still have laws in place. Why does abortion get a free pass?
@JRICHARDS1996 abortion isn't murder because the definition of life is objective especially if it's a part of a woman's body.
If you don't like abortion then don't have one. It's none of your damn business if a woman you've never met decides to have an abortion. Also, making abortion illegal doesn't stop abortion at all it just makes it unsafe.
All pro-life people are very dumb, I am making that broad statement right now and I am certain it is true. I've never met an intelligent person who was pro-life. Enjoy being dumb.
Nice ad-hominem. Who is the dumb one when you have made multiple logical fallacies in our brief bit of dialog alone? I have appealed to nothing but the objective facts of biology, which are that the unborn are alive, human, and their own human like you and I. This is established scientific fact and no amount of rhetoric, appeals to emotion, or leftist politicization can change a single iota of it. Not even weaponized political correctness. I have never met an intelligent abortionist who can address the science or for that matter make an argument rooted in it. But what can you expect? You're the same idiots who deny the reality of chromosomes and our genitals by arguing that a man can be "trapped" in the wrong body, and that it is perfectly normal for him to chop off his penis and wear a dress.
Only three types of person could say that "abortion is a murder":
1. A priest
2. A religious fanatic
3. A rapist and/or incestuous person
Now I have only two questions for the creator of this myTake:
1. Which one of the above are you?
2. Why are you pretending to be a woman?
Abortion will always be murder because they are killing a human. Period! No if ands or buts.
Only brainwashed people who beleive it isn't. I once didn't think it was murder than I was like " But it a human being I would kill".
I think abortion might be okay in some cases (looking at it logically). Of course there will always be an ethical issue but at the end of the day it shouldn't be outlawed I think, maybe very strongly regulated and only presented as a last option if all else fails. Please, if anyone sees a flaw/misunderstanding in my view then reply (all hate replies can go up the ass :) )
Source that fetuses feel pain?
Anyway, I think my mom would've been better off if she had aborted me and my sister, and I wouldn't blame her if she went back in time & did so.
So true. I don't agree with it at all.
"Always" in your delusion. Don't even claim it's a fact because if that's the case, every time if men and women have sex, there are millions of sperms that dies. "Sperm is not a fetus" Ok if sperm is not a fetus them why is a fetus a human? They're still living things. We can all be delusional about abortion as we want. Nothing is facts about it.