Why the Aesthetic of an Older Man Is Socially More Acceptable than the Older Woman (Page 2)
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"When we see a middle-aged woman and compare her to the middle-aged man we're socially programmed to see the imperfections the woman has "
Horse shit.
It's a question of biology, not "social construction".
Back up that claim with some scientific sources then.
@lumos As opposed to posting a quote without any sources?
Burden of Proof is on OP.
You're the one who made the claim that it's biology. So prove it.
Women are sex objects, men are success objects! Hey at least men like women for gender specific traits and can actually be considered heterosexual unlike women. Anthropologists say women don't even have a sexual orientation, just an amorphous mess based on narcissistic sexual self affirmation.
Girl it's all biological not enforced by society, i can go far deeper, bateman's principle etc. this is basic biology.
Old people are old, they aren't meant to have sex appeal to me tf. I don't find george cloony hot or any of the old "studs". Why? Because they've all got dad bods. College age everyone is the most attractive.
I think men tend to take care of their appearance more in their middle-aged, where as women are prime in their 20's.
There is a major difference in appearance for "college age" people.
@EnglishArtsteacher Not so much, women and men who take care of themselves look equally as good in their middle ages. See the Rock and Taraji b Henson
Some examples, yes. But I know many young men who look like total slobs, and don't even care.
well I think you missed the big picture here. women main value to men is her ability to have children. age shows she is no longer of value to anybody other then her family.
Fertility decreases with age, thus they look physically unattractive. Women in their 30's know they have competition with young beautiful women reasons why they end up settling with unattractive men or being alone with dozens of cats.
Extremely harsh but accurate.
well said
Well... why is the aesthetic of a younger woman socially more acceptable than the aesthetic of a similarly young man?
Same question.
I think you're just worried that you're hitting the big 3 0 and men stop paying heed to that age =P
It's not social conditioning: older men are still fertile, that's why they're seen as more attractive. With young people it's the other way around.
If you train yourself to look at women as HUMANS and not as objects, it helps a lot. The photoshopped images of young attractive women are there to sell products. It's no secret that sex sells, but reducing women to just that is a mistake.
I think i agree with this I find there are plenty of very attractive older women mahnoor baloch for example.
and i use adblock and don't like regular ad field and less convenient tv vs the on demand ad free netflix , youtube , and just reading articles.
So i dont see may of the photoshopped images just actors doing things.
Women are innately sex objects, as 1% of men can knock up 100% of women, thus 99% of men are superfluous to reproduction. Shit even "straight"(there is no such thing as a straight women) are more aroused by the female body than the male body indiana.edu/.../Chivers_Seto_Blanchard_2007.pdf (Scientific proof of that statement).
@amphet11 Most women's goal isn't simply to get pregnant with someone with good genes and 1% of men can't keep 100% of women satisfied even if that 1% all come into money and retired in their early 20s and made it there 24/7 mission which they won't.
The most successful 1% of guys can sleep around a lot more if they want and or be really choosy for a relationship but nearly all of them will still be in 1 to 1 relationships not many women want to share.
@amphet11 one woman can have sex with 100 plus guys... a man can't do that.
Over population is result of your thinking.
Many cultures to stop overpopulation they have one woman and several husbands.
It's just explaining the possible reproductive dynamics, it obviously isn't that extreme, but it is why dating is far easier for the average women, and why women are biologically intrinsic sex objects.
@Warmapplecrumble I think sometimes 1 woman and more husbands could work but also the other way round. It just depends what works.
@sedrftvgyhujik it already exists in Asia several men and one wife.. due to overpopulation
@amphet11 women can still have sex till death even after._. For evil necrophiliacs (ughh) .. if men can't get erect its another story
@Warmapplecrumble Ok looks like it really dose happen
news.BBC.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4461196.stm
It didn't exactly come top of in the search results though?
@sedrftvgyhujik why would I lie?
@Warmapplecrumble Don't know but I'd never heard of it. Is it just in this 1 place in Nepal then or is it more common in Asia?
@sedrftvgyhujik well look up Hindu scriptures,
For example several times in Mahabharat, first is a lady who's husband asks his wife to have children with demi God's.
And another is when this lady called Draupadi, in her pervious life time she does good things and she gets asked what she'd like by Shiva (the God of destruction) and she says several things: Handsome, Strong, Wise, Funny etc... and Shiva says so be it.
And she is born into a new live... reincarnation. Where she marries the great warrior and Prince Arjun and his mother accidentally shares his wife amongst 5 brothers.
So even in mythology it exists. Thus, it must be happening... way before... it actually makes a lot of sense.
A woman needs many protectors, these guys can't all be out of work and population won't increase like crazy.
There are actually less women on the planet at the moment due to certain people aborting baby girls..
@Warmapplecrumble That makes sense except for how many women could actually keep up with 2 or more guys?
@sedrftvgyhujik its easy... men are always zoned out
@Warmapplecrumble I mean in bed. Apparently a lot of women actually report losing interest in sex.
@sedrftvgyhujik cleoptra had sex with many guys...
@Warmapplecrumble And where not always zoned out were normally just focused on different things.
@Warmapplecrumble She was a queen though so she could have whoever she wanted whether they where all satisfied or not.
@sedrftvgyhujik she became after that... lol not before
@Warmapplecrumble She will certainly have had some power as a member of the role family though.
royal
@sedrftvgyhujik her royalness gave her the ability to sleep with so many men I guess
its in our DNA. younger women are more attractive because they are more fertile. we can't help that. #sorrynotsorry
I agree with your central premise, that we should accept ourselves and others for what we are. That said, the reason men are accepted at older ages asmen, is that they can continue to function reproductively as men.
It's a generalisation not a rule take the 2nd from last pic the woman aged vastly better than the guy.
I think men and women both look better as young adults.
When you have less wrinkles more hair no potbelly more toned body.
They are just because they want to and media provides sexy and erotic just because it sales better
Luckily for men, women are attracted more to what a man can offer, rather than a man himself. So looks don't really play a part. #hughhefner
i think girls are more interested in 'facial expressions' than 'face,' for example..
more propaganda from this user, of course
I've got news for ya, it doesn't matter who's older. age is nothing but a number
my mom and dad prove it
That's patriarchy for you.
Pure Biology and Nature's own thing... Not Patriachy. Any small thing you call patriachy... Go and blame the nature that made it that way. Beauty is an attribute to women... But unfortunately; nature has it that as a woman ages, so was her beauty as well as fertility. And if the beauty fades away, so was a man's attraction for that woman. You don't have to blame us, 'cause we are so engineered biologically to be captured by a vibrant, young and a beautiful body.
But as it is.. it is not actually so in the case of a man because even at 40 men even began to rock in handsomeness adding to the stylish rinkles which are boasters as in the pics above.
*AN AGING WOMAN IS AN AGING WOMAN*
@TheCreativeMan I think men around 40 just need to hit the gym regular, eat healthier, have some resources and dress smart to get access to young beautiful women. Men that are married and in long term relationships tend to become unattractive around 40s because they get lazy, stressed and most of their income is taken away from the woman they're with and kids but when your single your stress free, have money and no choice but to stay healthy if you want to attract women. An if you want quick sex just get model escorts while your building yourself back up again after relationship.
Think I'm interested in your blabbing around, blue users? That's my opinion. Go write your own and get out of my hair
That's ignorance for you!
@Tony1974 cry me a river
Your going to turn in to sour milk in your mid 30s
If your from the west then how exactly is there still patriarchy? Men dont have advantages nowadays beyond basic biology like being a bit stronger.
if anything there's a matriarchy now
You 're Crying and you 're asking someone to cry you a River... Double Standard
@TheCreativeMan Women know after their mid 30s that they dont have any options to find a good man and the older they get the less options they have. Female value decreases with age because there sexual market value is determined on her beauty and fertility.
Feminism thinks men care about womens status, money, career and achievements the same way as us guys. Men dont care about these things because its not our programming, reasons why feminism is retarded.
@Mrwoo99 Exactly... So let them go blame the nature that made it that way and leave us alone
@TheCreativeMan I find that old women are just as attractive as old men. The reason why women still like older men is because they learn to accept and love... unlike men._. Who are incapable of love
@Warmapplecrumble Were not incapable of love.
@sedrftvgyhujik then why do you loose love/attraction when a woman ages :-(?
@Warmapplecrumble Well I'm 24 so i'm not old enough to have done that to someone and your 25 so your not old enough for someone to have lost interest in you for looking old.
But i'd guess for the millionaires and workaholics there not actually that close to begin with and a lot of the reason there with them is just to keep up appearances.
Also if you mean having less sex than part of it is you geting older growing old isn't exactly ideal for anyone but mostly its that our labidos decline as we age. A guy may want sex twice a day in his 20s but only twice a month when he's 70 something.
@sedrftvgyhujik can a guy even get erect at that age? I see average guys complaining about old women. :-/
Why can't men love women who are old? As in respect them... We've lost the culture to respect our elders.. especially women who went through so much pain to lookafter us :-I
@Warmapplecrumble Its because nobody likes sour milk sweetheart.
@Mrwoo99 then why we eat cheese?
@Warmapplecrumble goaskalice.columbia.edu/.../mens-sex-drive-and-age for some yes but it dosn't look great and now i wish i haden't looked it up!
All in all we have bading , performance issues and beer gut if where not careful. It sounds like it's basically all downhill once where in our 20s. Fairly bleak.
@sedrftvgyhujik yes we both actually start dying at 25 ... that's when the brain scientifically stops growing :-I
@sedrftvgyhujik ahhhhhh I'm dying :'(
@Warmapplecrumble I'm dying too :'( and apparently it's going to be drawn out over 50 odd years.
@sedrftvgyhujik and you can't kill yourself :-/ when young knowing you'd come out 100 percent dead :-( :'( and... I'm scared of people harming my dead body
@Warmapplecrumble Dear... Respecting an old woman is a total different case from being attracted to an Old Woman
@TheCreativeMan how so?
@Warmapplecrumble said 'The reason why women still like older men is because they learn to accept and love...'
Nope... The reason why women still like older men is hugely because of
1) Personality.
2) because women are not absolutely visual just like the way men are prgrammmed, therefore even as a man gets on older; it becomes not much of a case to women..
3) A little Bit of a charming Body has a play because some older men do maintain themselves in other to concur with what I called 'Men's Aging Handsomeness' ... check those pics above
@TheCreativeMan few thing about old men
1. Beer belly
2. Erectile dysfunction
3. Wrinkly skin
4. Bald head
5. Lack of enthusiasm for anything
6. Man boobs due to estrogen dominance
7. Gain in fat due to lack of testosterone
8. Impotence
9. Lack of strength
... women like their aged men because they love them... for them not their bodies, so when it disappears its not a shock... unlike men
@Warmapplecrumble few thing about old men.
1. Beer belly...
2... etc
Thats exactly what TheCreativeMan is saying and you just almost narrated my point...
2) because women are not absolutely visual just like the way men are programmmed, therefore even as a man gets on older; it becomes not much of a case to women..
SO therefore all those things became less important and less of a shock when their men is aging; just like when you said '' ... for them not their bodies, so when it disappears its not a shock... ''
But on the other hand the visuality aspect of men tends to make them stick to attractions which gradually fades as the woman get older
So it became clear that the woman goes for a man's personality and less interested otherwise.
@TheCreativeMan Men with age look better than women and are more attractive because we become distinguished/masculine, attain achievements, wealth, resources and sometimes social/career status. Unlike women they look deflated, begin to look manly/unfeminine, have epic love handles and sometimes have a mustache. To me older women look like men with makeup on... yuk.
Men with age look like George Clooney, women with age look like... well George Clooney.
@Mrwoo99 Hahaha... tell them
@Mrwoo99 don't compare tv models... they hav make-up, surgery, and necks pulled back.
So your mother looks like a man to you? Great. ._.
Women give you life, the teach you how to love, they push you to reach for more, they loose their body to produce you a new life - and all you see is ugly.
You are very ugly in the way you think.
Don't start with me I am not in best of moods... I am menstruating.. so my wrath will come out on you. ._.
@Warmapplecrumble No no no we are just trying to explain the realities of nature here
The Unfairness that nature has bestowed on mankind... Please Don't unleash your wrath on us; Its not our Fault. Hahaha
@TheCreativeMan Dont forget those big flappy bingo wings (arm fat) that these women carry in to their late 30s. All that crows feet and droop from all baggage she had whe riding the cock carousel with bad boys and players now no longer can find a partner or nice guy because of how hideos she's become. Women so LOSE in the end and it gives them decades of misery to reflect back on for what they did to all nice guys and the choices they made.
@TheCreativeMan._. Men look as wrinkly as women. Can we stop saying that old people look ugly? ... ._. Just accept it... part of death.. one day we all turn to manure.
@Mrwoo99 you too when you die will forget everything and turn into manure...
Remember that almost without exception all of those magazine covers have been severely PhotoShopped.
After I saw the picture of Hilary Duff in shorts - I forgot what I wanted to say, great photo... I mean Take :P
"women have what men want when they are young, men have what women want when they're older" thats why lol
I don't even think this take is universally acceptable.
This is all speculation and subjective.
Older men can still bring forth children. Many older women are extremely limited in her fertility.
Nobody looks at an 80 year old man and thinks, "now that's the absolute epitome of virility". Older men usually aren't reproducing, nor are they expected to. The fact that they CAN reproduce longer than women can has nothing to do with the fact that wrinkles are a flaw on women but not on men.
Plus, women can begin to get wrinkles as soon as their early 20s, depending on their skincare routine, stress levels, genetics, etc. Wrinkles aren't actually a sign of infertility.
@samhradh_leannan
Yes but it is acceptable for wrinkled men to reproduce but not wrinkled women. People sadly astute attractiveness as applying more to women when being fertile than they do men and mainly on appearance.
Maybe it happens, but it's not logical or justified. Wrinkled women reproduce successfully all the time- like I mentioned before, women can begin to get wrinkles as soon as their early 20s, depending on the circumstances.
@samhradh_leannan
True but wrinkled women that are pregnant get mocked. People assume she should look perfect.
I've never seen that happen.
Regardless of whether it happens, though, it isn't fair and it shouldn't happen.
@samhradh_leannan
I agree it shouldn't happen but it does and mostly men do it.
@samhradh_leannan pregnant women never get mocked, dont listen to him. If that did happen, it would be a huge scene and everyone would jump on the guy/girl mocking her. Besides that, you are right women do get wrinkles in their late 20s sometimes because their skin is naturally thinner than a males. I also think that a lot of that makeup and all those other products play a HUGE role in that.
@Bobbyhill1 They don't just get wrinkles in their late 20s, they can start to get them in their early 20s too. It may not be the most common time to start getting them but it definitely happens.
@samhradh_leannan I think that has to do with premature aging and not their actual biology at play here
@Bobbyhill1 A few fine lines don't constitute premature aging. And yet they would certainly be considered a flaw.