Personally, I think that feminism should be about equality. Fighting sexism will ultimately help everyone, not elevate any group of people over others.
I appreciate your viewpiint but I don't see how feminism could possibly be about equality. Men & women are wired so very differently, each with their own quite different strengths & weaknesses. Science bears this out. Naturally, I believe in equal work for equal pay, but that's about as far as I can accept the equality issue. Let women so what their brains are designed to do, likewise for men but with gynarchy redirecting their competitive & hostile urges. Women are natural leaders but it will take a few generations to implement changes universal enough to reflect real change in society: there eventually would be fewer if any wars, we'd see our poor fed, housed, & getting medical care just like the upper crust gets in our present patriarchal societies. It would be a world where people (totally regardless of religion) could live in harmony, if not exactly loving one another then at least respecting one another.
@mardyh I do agree with your opinion, as you said that women are natural leaders and they will be doing much better than men done all over the past. It must start with educate everyone of their strengths. I am more comfort when I have a female boss at work, and even in my relationship as well
Feminists are the biggest hypocrites of society to date. You are going to fight sexism by being sexist? This whole thing is filled with ignorant statements about males and how they behave.
Bonobos would go extinct quickly if humans didn't protect and hide them from chimps. The male chimps would rape and kill all the female bonobos and kill the males until they all died out or became part of the chimp genepool.
@justkidding93 You're right, but the fact that they've made it this far is admirable. The odds are small considering the majority of species that have been around since the beginning of life on Earth 3.8 billion years ago, are now extinct. I think humans have a lot they could learn from Bonobos, despite they fact they aren't faring so well. In a violence-dominated society their misfortune seems inevitable. Yet they are still a happy, peaceful species that uses affection to solve conflict. So they seem to be doing something right in this world full of, a lot of the time, mindless chaos.
nah, because bonobo society only survived because they where lucky enough to live in an environment that had all the food, resources they needed and easily gathered, while at the same time lacking predators. Humans cannot live like bonobos because we would have never progressed if we lived like them, mainly because matriarchies doesn't lead to innovation and progress, because men are more creative than women. As soon as problems that need to be solved appear a lifestyle like the bonobos have would not work out, they would not be able to solve it.
@justkidding93 I'm not saying we should live like them, just that we could learn from them. They don't only live in matriarchies either... they live in a society where everyone is equal, studies have shown they are even all bisexual. They choose who they seem to see as fit to rule without taking gender into consideration. Men are not more creative women.. there are creative men and there are creative women. We all have good and bad qualities and we are all people, whether we are male or female shouldn't matter.
wrong, bonobos are pretty all living in matriarchies. And another reason it kind of "works" for them is because they are very promiscuous, the females give out sex very often for all the males as long as they abide to them, if a male isn't acting like the females want him to they often gang up on him and bite off his penis etc, and the other males doesn't help him because they are satisfied with their sexual needs being met. So technically they dont really see everyone as equal as the females make the rules among bonobos, they also have low sexual dimorphism for this reason as the females get pregnant by pretty much any type of male they have access too with being so promiscuous. And again you're wrong. Men are definitely more creative than women on average, its cold hard fact, and it doesn't matter how much you are in denial it will always be scientific fact.
Stupidity transcends race , gender and sometimes even religion We want the most capable , trustworthy and competent in positions of power not any one group.
I think matriarchal society, slowly will increase, of course few women believe in it, but with time I think we need a matriarchal society to have peaceful world in the future, I personally support women to lead the relationship and had good many experience with it
lol that's an utopia. it will never work, women cannot even run their own business (there is a link somewhere at internet which showed what happened to a company after the boss let the females take in charge), let alone a country!
I'm sorry, but what has society been ruled by since forever? MEN! We've been the unquestioned lord and masters of the world since the beginning and the world is okay. I see no reason to change.
Those achievements happened in a time when women weren't allowed to have an education or work in those areas. Of course it was "all men" who discovered those things because women were never given the chance to. Let's say that from the beginning it was women who ruled and men were the one's considered inferior: all those things would still have been discovered, it just would've been the women and not men. Also, we have not actually time traveled, we just discovered that there is a possibility to.
@PancakeFury And also to add to this, it wasn't "all men" who did those things.. you just never hear about the women who have contributed because they don't get any credit. There have been countless hidden women figures that most people don't even hear about that have made big contributions. We are where we are today because of men AND women. We are all human, and we all have something to give. If you do your research you'd be surprised. Women have invented Apgar tests, circular saws, dishwashers, electric hot water heaters, elevated railway, engine mufflers, fire escapes, globes, ironing boards, Kevlar, life rafts, and I'm sure a lot more that history has forgotten. A lot of women were working in the background at NASA as well as contributed to getting us into space. At the time, women weren't even allowed to be educated and it was considered bad for them to want to learn and be creative.
@PancakeFury You have no idea who would''ve invented what if women 'ruled'. All we know is what has been invented. See, men were trying to get stuff done. We weren't worried about fair. We were actively building the foundation and structures of society from the ground up, therefore a lot of those inventions had to be dreamed up by us because we were doing the actual work. We weren't asking womens'' opinions about the inner workings of the power grid, dredging canals or anything else they knew nothing about. Do you know why there's no doubt in my mind that women wouldn''t have built society even if given the chance? 'Cuz all the occupations, jobs and trades that were necessary to build it women to this day have almost zero interest in, have almost zero presence in and barely know half of them exist 'cuz they're too busy looking in the sky for the.5% of the ruling patriarchy instead of around and under them where 65% of the patriarchy are doing the worst blue collar jobs on the planet.
@PancakeFury So men and men alone are responsible for racism. And religious intolerance. And hunger, which last time I checked means there's nothing to eat... and somehow the only means of that happening is men. Child abuse...'cuz mothers are saints and never abuse kids. Domestic violence... once again 'cuz wives are saints and never get handsy. Abuse ;in general' just takes the cake. Hey everyone, women are perfect... except for the one with the giant-sized ego.
@doobie345621 Not to rain on your parade, but the fire escape was invented and patented by two different men. The circular saw was invented by Raymond Dewalt. Electric hot water heater - Edwin Ruud. Elevated Railway - Charles T. Harvey & engineer James Swett (but I think you meant Sarah Guppy's supports for suspension bridges) and yes, the engine muffler was El Dorado Jones, which eventually led to her idea for the airplane muffler as well. NASA employed both men and women, I know (saw Hidden Figures). I can't help who went to college and who didn't in 1950. Neither of my parents did.
I'm a feminist but it will be a cold day in hell before I allow that to happen, I'm a gun owner and I will rebel if that happens. We need equality, not one sided power.
Well that is going to require! A country full of @-alpha ladies like @natured
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A year ago I would have agreed with you. Then came the election of 2016 where half the women voted for a misogynist. I no longer support women's causes because I now believe it has all been a waste of time. Women support the very people who put them down. I also have come to believe there is some truth to that whole " women like jerks" thing. I wouldn't have said that a year ago, but now I believe it heart and soul.
That because these women are truly have their heads up their asses because they are more privilege then certain groups in other countries or even in the United States. I bet most of these women who voted for Trump where upper middle class and upper class. Or they wouldn't had voted for him. A news article went viral recently of a white women who voted for Trump, believe in his immigration policies then have the nerve to make it public that her husband got deport to Mexico and she wanted a pity party.
Women are capable of making mistakes. They're capable of believing in self-destructive ideologies just like men, including Trump. I assure you that he would not have won if it was just women voting, however. So no, "women" as a whole did not vote for Trump.
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It seems to me that this entire post can be summed up as "women should rule the world, because men suck".
P. S. I didn't read the article, I skimmed it
P. S. S. We live in a meritocracy, not a Patriarchy
Personally, I think that feminism should be about equality. Fighting sexism will ultimately help everyone, not elevate any group of people over others.
I appreciate your viewpiint but I don't see how feminism could possibly be about equality. Men & women are wired so very differently, each with their own quite different strengths & weaknesses. Science bears this out. Naturally, I believe in equal work for equal pay, but that's about as far as I can accept the equality issue. Let women so what their brains are designed to do, likewise for men but with gynarchy redirecting their competitive & hostile urges. Women are natural leaders but it will take a few generations to implement changes universal enough to reflect real change in society: there eventually would be fewer if any wars, we'd see our poor fed, housed, & getting medical care just like the upper crust gets in our present patriarchal societies. It would be a world where people (totally regardless of religion) could live in harmony, if not exactly loving one another then at least respecting one another.
@mardyh I do agree with your opinion, as you said that women are natural leaders and they will be doing much better than men done all over the past. It must start with educate everyone of their strengths. I am more comfort when I have a female boss at work, and even in my relationship as well
Feminists are the biggest hypocrites of society to date. You are going to fight sexism by being sexist? This whole thing is filled with ignorant statements about males and how they behave.
Im not being sexist.
Is promotion of patriarchy sexist? The promotion of discriminating against people in places of power based on their gender is sexist
Matriarchy, if it were implemented, would be the end of the human race.
Bonobos live in mostly matriarchal societies and they're doing pretty well! Besides the fact that humans are killing them..
Bonobos would go extinct quickly if humans didn't protect and hide them from chimps. The male chimps would rape and kill all the female bonobos and kill the males until they all died out or became part of the chimp genepool.
@justkidding93 You're right, but the fact that they've made it this far is admirable. The odds are small considering the majority of species that have been around since the beginning of life on Earth 3.8 billion years ago, are now extinct. I think humans have a lot they could learn from Bonobos, despite they fact they aren't faring so well. In a violence-dominated society their misfortune seems inevitable. Yet they are still a happy, peaceful species that uses affection to solve conflict. So they seem to be doing something right in this world full of, a lot of the time, mindless chaos.
nah, because bonobo society only survived because they where lucky enough to live in an environment that had all the food, resources they needed and easily gathered, while at the same time lacking predators. Humans cannot live like bonobos because we would have never progressed if we lived like them, mainly because matriarchies doesn't lead to innovation and progress, because men are more creative than women. As soon as problems that need to be solved appear a lifestyle like the bonobos have would not work out, they would not be able to solve it.
@justkidding93 I'm not saying we should live like them, just that we could learn from them. They don't only live in matriarchies either... they live in a society where everyone is equal, studies have shown they are even all bisexual. They choose who they seem to see as fit to rule without taking gender into consideration. Men are not more creative women.. there are creative men and there are creative women. We all have good and bad qualities and we are all people, whether we are male or female shouldn't matter.
wrong, bonobos are pretty all living in matriarchies. And another reason it kind of "works" for them is because they are very promiscuous, the females give out sex very often for all the males as long as they abide to them, if a male isn't acting like the females want him to they often gang up on him and bite off his penis etc, and the other males doesn't help him because they are satisfied with their sexual needs being met. So technically they dont really see everyone as equal as the females make the rules among bonobos, they also have low sexual dimorphism for this reason as the females get pregnant by pretty much any type of male they have access too with being so promiscuous.
And again you're wrong. Men are definitely more creative than women on average, its cold hard fact, and it doesn't matter how much you are in denial it will always be scientific fact.
Well said!
@justkidding93 You are woefully mistaken. Science will out. Women are more innovative & creative than men. Check out some science.
Stupidity transcends race , gender and sometimes even religion
We want the most capable , trustworthy and competent in positions of power not any one group.
I think matriarchal society, slowly will increase, of course few women believe in it, but with time I think we need a matriarchal society to have peaceful world in the future, I personally support women to lead the relationship and had good many experience with it
lol that's an utopia. it will never work, women cannot even run their own business (there is a link somewhere at internet which showed what happened to a company after the boss let the females take in charge), let alone a country!
I'm sorry, but what has society been ruled by since forever? MEN! We've been the unquestioned lord and masters of the world since the beginning and the world is okay. I see no reason to change.
Poverty, rape, child abuse, domestic abuse, drug abuse, abuse in general, world hunger, racism, religious intolerance, etc...
@PancakeFury flight, electricty, space travel and time travel: all men.
Those achievements happened in a time when women weren't allowed to have an education or work in those areas. Of course it was "all men" who discovered those things because women were never given the chance to. Let's say that from the beginning it was women who ruled and men were the one's considered inferior: all those things would still have been discovered, it just would've been the women and not men. Also, we have not actually time traveled, we just discovered that there is a possibility to.
@PancakeFury And also to add to this, it wasn't "all men" who did those things.. you just never hear about the women who have contributed because they don't get any credit. There have been countless hidden women figures that most people don't even hear about that have made big contributions. We are where we are today because of men AND women. We are all human, and we all have something to give. If you do your research you'd be surprised. Women have invented Apgar tests, circular saws, dishwashers, electric hot water heaters, elevated railway, engine mufflers, fire escapes, globes, ironing boards, Kevlar, life rafts, and I'm sure a lot more that history has forgotten. A lot of women were working in the background at NASA as well as contributed to getting us into space. At the time, women weren't even allowed to be educated and it was considered bad for them to want to learn and be creative.
@doobie345621 women don't do anything useful. Even now you're wasting a man's time with that text wall.
@PancakeFury You have no idea who would''ve invented what if women 'ruled'. All we know is what has been invented. See, men were trying to get stuff done. We weren't worried about fair. We were actively building the foundation and structures of society from the ground up, therefore a lot of those inventions had to be dreamed up by us because we were doing the actual work. We weren't asking womens'' opinions about the inner workings of the power grid, dredging canals or anything else they knew nothing about. Do you know why there's no doubt in my mind that women wouldn''t have built society even if given the chance? 'Cuz all the occupations, jobs and trades that were necessary to build it women to this day have almost zero interest in, have almost zero presence in and barely know half of them exist 'cuz they're too busy looking in the sky for the.5% of the ruling patriarchy instead of around and under them where 65% of the patriarchy are doing the worst blue collar jobs on the planet.
@PancakeFury So men and men alone are responsible for racism. And religious intolerance. And hunger, which last time I checked means there's nothing to eat... and somehow the only means of that happening is men. Child abuse...'cuz mothers are saints and never abuse kids. Domestic violence... once again 'cuz wives are saints and never get handsy. Abuse ;in general' just takes the cake. Hey everyone, women are perfect... except for the one with the giant-sized ego.
@doobie345621 Not to rain on your parade, but the fire escape was invented and patented by two different men. The circular saw was invented by Raymond Dewalt. Electric hot water heater - Edwin Ruud. Elevated Railway - Charles T. Harvey & engineer James Swett (but I think you meant Sarah Guppy's supports for suspension bridges) and yes, the engine muffler was El Dorado Jones, which eventually led to her idea for the airplane muffler as well. NASA employed both men and women, I know (saw Hidden Figures). I can't help who went to college and who didn't in 1950. Neither of my parents did.
@PancakeFury I have ruled over Omicron Persei 8 for decades and have no need of females and their weak ideas.
Dude...
You do know most people don't care about people in power right?
I'm a feminist but it will be a cold day in hell before I allow that to happen, I'm a gun owner and I will rebel if that happens. We need equality, not one sided power.
You'll get your Matriarchy soon don't worry.
I just hope that will finally get you to stop bitching and pulling out of feminist waves out of your fat lard asses 😒
You think women will treat men better? Yeah right. Good luck with that. And men never treated women bad.
Really interesting myTake, thank you for sharing it :)
Well, I know who wears the strap-on in this relationship!
Anyone that claims lordship over another should be put to death
I'd much rather have a man in charge, but if it came down to it, I'd take a conservative woman over an emasculated libtard.
You said it. I know a hundred women who have more balls than this, doesn't mean I want to have them own me though.
Well that is going to require! A country full of @-alpha ladies like @natured
A year ago I would have agreed with you. Then came the election of 2016 where half the women voted for a misogynist. I no longer support women's causes because I now believe it has all been a waste of time. Women support the very people who put them down. I also have come to believe there is some truth to that whole " women like jerks" thing. I wouldn't have said that a year ago, but now I believe it heart and soul.
That because these women are truly have their heads up their asses because they are more privilege then certain groups in other countries or even in the United States. I bet most of these women who voted for Trump where upper middle class and upper class. Or they wouldn't had voted for him. A news article went viral recently of a white women who voted for Trump, believe in his immigration policies then have the nerve to make it public that her husband got deport to Mexico and she wanted a pity party.
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Women are capable of making mistakes. They're capable of believing in self-destructive ideologies just like men, including Trump. I assure you that he would not have won if it was just women voting, however. So no, "women" as a whole did not vote for Trump.
@Marinite You might want to check the stats on that.
She is right, if you look on the stats more women voted for Clinton than they did Trump so if it was just Women voting Trump wouldn't be president.
Ahh matriarchy. The fallacy of assuming women can't be as abusive with power as men.