You Do NOT Have The Right To Be Believed (Page 2)

[Water_Bottle]

This is the same public that voted for a man who promised to bring back the Coal Industry. Again, these damned articles sound amazing on paper but are complete shit in reality; if you were the one who was standing trial in court and there was zero evidence other than your testimony you would be overwhelmingly crushed when your assailant walked away completely because you were in a room alone with them without your Paranoid Camcorder (which I sell for $19.99 +tax) and thusly totally fucked.

[myTake Owner]

I would understand. I don't expect a jury to convict a man based solely on my testimony. Otherwise, I could go and accuse just about anyone who crosses me.

[Water_Bottle]

So exactly how would you win such a case when you have habitual but not predictable harassment?

[myTake Owner]

Habitual harassment is an easier case to win. There's no immediate danger, and it's easier to gather evidence if it's recurring.

[Water_Bottle]

Not if it isn't consistent or predictable. In fact that's one of the major flaws; you may get harassed months and months apart. Some of these people really only saw their harasser / assailant a few times a year and obviously not on ever occasion were they assailed.

Again, in the land of logic, it SOUNDS really simple. In reality it isn't; you don't have the ability to gather any form of real evidence because unless you have that Paranoid Camcorder ($19.99 +tax, deal ends soon) on you ALL THE TIME you'll never get evidence of it!

[myTake Owner]

Disagree entirely. We all have smartphones. It's easy enough to pretend to read a text and to get a recording or video of the incident. Besides, harassment cases need not always be dealt with in court.

[Water_Bottle]

So you actually are going the paranoid camcorder route.

[Astoriana]

For someone who claims to be opposed to sex offenders, you seem to be defending them pretty hard.

There is no other crime where the victim is assumed to be lying from the start. Is that right?

[myTake Owner]

There is no other crime where the victim is believed from the start... without proof. I'm not defending sex offenders. Obviously. My entire premise is to defend whomever is telling the truth.

[Astoriana]

Yes, there is.

If you go to the police and report a robbery, they come and take your statement.

If you go to the police to report a rape, they ask you what you were wearing and if the perpetrator could have misinterpreted you saying no.

[El_Prez]

Tbf if you got rob or physically assaulted (fight) and you make a police report, they would ask you what you were wearing for the purpose of identification or if it was part of the crime ( blood stains, rips etc). Reporting a simple slap to the face is like a 3 page report. They ask you every little detail , things you wouldn't even think is important like the direction you were facing when the crime occurred.
So with reporting sexual assault, it's going to be the same procedure like every other crime.

[Astoriana]

@El_Prez apologize for blaming victims all you want. I’ll still think you’re a dick.

[El_Prez]

What? I'm just pointing out the procedure for reporting a crime and I'm a dick?😂😂

I literally spent over an hour at a station giving an eyewitness account to an incident I wasn't even directly involved in but I'm a dick for pointing out how the system works... lol

[Astoriana]

@El_Prez you are also boring. Cheers.

[crswalkerr]

God I hate law. It's followed me home... But yeah, I agree. Our whole society needs this foundation of evidencing otherwise it could cause chaos. Witch-burning times are behind us.

[JackIsBack7699]

Great Take. I 100% agree. I hate this weird double standard where if a guy is accused of any kind of sexual misconduct it's automatically considered true. It's absurd

[jjhonn]

You are right that the accused may lose in the court of public opinion in a matter of hours, but a fair trial will still take place and justice will most often be rightfully served, whether through acquittal or conviction.

[myTake Owner]

If you think public opinion can't nor does not ever influence the outcome of criminal proceedings, you're wrong; but my point was to say the same legal principle should guide the way these issues are handled by... particularly employers.

[jjhonn]

I do think public opinion can effect criminal trials, it's unfortunate that judges aren't sequestered the way jurors are.

[jjhonn]

Also bribery and politics...

[zagor]

You don't need to be convicted in a criminal court to lose your job, your family, your friends...

[jjhonn]

@zagor That's what I'm saying..

[Anonymous]

Great take. It seems to me that part of the problem today is the fact that an accuser has the legal right to remain anonymous but the accused has no such right, which serves to enable the potential issues you warn about.

[Djaaay]

Everything sexual is either (disarrangement) -harassment ) or arrangement. It's determined either by agreement of both or disagreement of one. The public and courts will swing from vine to vine unless sound proof is presented otherwise.

[HamAndCheese]

You have a right to be believed, HOWEVER, it's your job to convince people that they should believe you. What you mean to say is that there exists no obligation on the part of jurors for them to believe a defendant.

[bbb10]

The various media companies should get sued for deformation of character.

[GayHowellMeme]

Very good Take, I can totally see why and I like this.

[AllThatSweetJazz]

Correct throughout. But try telling that to "listen & believe" people, you get an earful.

[Anonymous]

Although it is a good thing to feel finally comfortable enough to share a painful memory with the public, the media needs to pump the breaks a bit and at least do a little fact checking.

[Anonymous]

Yeah the legal system is biased against males and generally if a female makes a claim, it is "proof" enough to have his life destroyed and he is guilty until proven guilty.

[Stamps]

Good take and everything, but there has to be something more to talk about on GAG than just sexual harrassment... gosh

[Anonymous]

*Grabs popcorn* can't wait for the feminist to see this and go crazy...

[Anonymous]

Trump grabbed my dick !

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[kayeleva]

women can't afford opinions these days i hope they are saving for a big comeback.

[Anonymous]

Great Take. I agree 100%

[JastyForLife]

Correct. Innocent until proven guilty.

[FýrdracaDócincel]

Absolutely beautiful.