Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it
In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; But which becometh women professing godliness with good works. Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding they shall be saved in childbearing
they shall be saved in child bearing (CHRIST)
is that what you wanted to hear or do you want more verses
You didn't give the correct answer. I didn't ask how a husband should treat his wife. I asked how a man should treat a woman. HERE is the REAL answer:
Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty: that will make for greater purity for them: And Allah is well acquainted with all that they do. (Surah an-Noor verse 31)
yeah I know I have read the Quran to be sure I had the right GOD cause you know my GOD said study to always have an answer so good luck proving your book of lies and that's easy to prove now
I'll debate Dr. Zakir Naik Mufti Menk Dalia Mogahed
So you getting attention is more important than a woman being able to have a dignified life? Yeah I totally see how much you respect women. I hope you never get laid.
Enjoy it while it lasts. When women hit the wall (looks start to fade) and they aren't getting as much attention as they did when they were younger, they start to envy the younger women getting the attention.
You can't decide for us whether or not we are gonna enjoy it. I never heard an old woman saying that she misses being catcalled. I understand that some miss being the popular girl in school or even just being loved by their husbands during their youth, most don't like being catcalled.
Well, as strange as it might sound, yes, that is the best option. If you're not going up to ask her out and you don't know her, the best option, is not to say anything. Because well, you don't need to. Also harassment and something nice kind of complete opposites.
@yoshi_wanna_ask That also means, don't help them either. Do your civic duty and call the authorities but don't lend a hand, don't even offer. If you don't know the female just leave her to fate.
fate? I didn't realise that was defined by refusing to say anything 'nice'. I'm okay if you want to be melodramatic, please go right ahead, but here she's talking about (certain) guys harassing women they don't know with unwanted, over the top, sexual comments. A guy yelling "Hey bring that sugar my way baby!" from across the street (which isn't nice) isn't exactly the same as someone at the bus stop saying "Hello, how are you on this beautiful morning?" (which is)
But random strangers tryna pick up a new one night stand and gentlemen striking up a friendly conversation is something women can determine pretty quickly. Which is why the polite guys gets a smile and a wave and the cat caller gets a finger... or a restraining order.
@yoshi_wanna_ask It's not my job to interpret every little mood every female might be in at any given time. All it takes is one thot on her period when a man says hi and there's a trial. Western females have gone insane and it's better to avoid these irrational engines of destruction than to spend two years of your life proving your innocence.
@yoshi_wanna_ask It's not melodramatic to protect oneself from a potential threat and western women represent exactly that. When a man can be destroyed 20 years later with "regret", that's a threat.
What are you talking about? I'm glad if you're standing up for women who are being mistreated but I think we're talking about two completely different things. So this thread is about people who yell things at other people thinking that will make them attractive.
Your comment seemed to say "If women don't like those 'compliments' which are being yelled at them it's not worth saying anything nice to them at all". I said, it's well worth not saying anything to a woman you don't know if you're only thinking of saying "Hey sexy!" and now you're talking about being torn apart from regret 20 years later? I think there's something missing here. If it's important to you, I'd like to understand it. But if you got sidetracked and would prefer to keep it private, I understand and I'll respect that. Okay?
@yoshi_wanna_ask And talking to a woman is a completely different thing. The fact about that is, a guy has to understand when and where it is appropriate to do so.
An adult responds to inappropriate comments or gestures on the spot not wandering around claiming victimhood. When are these strong and independent women going to arrive?
@yoshi_wanna_ask Nice and catcalling are determined at the time of the event. Perspective on most of it is left to the person hearing it. While I agree that most of what the poster has illuminated is aggressive and sophomoric there's still the condition of reaction responsibility that has not been addressed, just victim narrative.
I think we're coming from two very different angles here. Okay, so 'catcalling' as I understand it, is *only* someone yelling something sexual or inappropriate at a passerby, whether that's down the street, on the road, across the workplace, whatever. As the author said, a few women like this, FEW, and recent studies state that over 95% of women greatly dislike it. There are almost no cases where a girl who has something screamed at her about her ass is going to feel safe & complimented by that. I mean if there's a victim there's a perpetrator, right? If women have so repeatedly and unanimously showed they don't like this, what is your solution to a situation like that?
If you're panicking because someone whistled at you then you have some serious issues you need to deal with alone. What you described is tentamount to PTSD in soldiers, that is not men's fault. Deal with your own problems.
Sure whistling at random people is an issue, I'm not denying that. But to put it as if it's a traumatic situation you come out with PTSD-like symptoms as if you're a war veteran is one far ass reach.
Some guy said "hey baby" to you, big deal. You're not a survivor, or even a victim. Get over yourself.
One incident is nothing. But when it happens over and over again, then it gets bothersome. And yes, when I was young, about 10 or 11 I used to get scared because I was new to it and had no idea what these dudes want from me.
I can see how a lot of those cat calls can make someone feel uneasy. But some of them are just more excitable wordings of "hey.. you're really hot!" If that hurts your little feelings and makes you feel unsafe, you're the problem, not them.
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deal with it
I got hit on by girls when I went shopping
I said im not looking for anything
I walked away went home and ate food
Get catcalled and stalked by girls almost every time you step out of the house. Then tell me what I should do about it.
look ugly and bring a knife
im guessing you live in new york
Honey! Countries that are NOT America exist. People who are NOT Americans exist! Get out of your bubble.
get out of that lesbain as country and come to america
so you can get some dick lol
No thanks. I am way better here than a country with idiots like you.
whats the sky made of?
lets see how smart you are
Mostly empty space. Everything is mostly empty space, even the Empire State Building. Not my words! It's Physics.
its made of glass
you can literally see the reflection of the sun and moon off of it
(two moons in the sky)
Job 37:18
hast thou with him spread out the sky which is strong and as a molten looking glass
true knowledge comes from GOD
Tell me how long it took for the earth to be created, since you have so much knowledge.
what ever GOD says 6 days not hard
Hmm not bad. Do you know how a man should be behaving with a woman?
Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it
In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; But which becometh women professing godliness with good works. Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding they shall be saved in childbearing
they shall be saved in child bearing (CHRIST)
is that what you wanted to hear or do you want more verses
You didn't give the correct answer. I didn't ask how a husband should treat his wife. I asked how a man should treat a woman. HERE is the REAL answer:
Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty: that will make for greater purity for them: And Allah is well acquainted with all that they do. (Surah an-Noor verse 31)
I am not Christian.
sorry hun Allah does not exist true knowledge comes from Jesus Christ
the GOD above the waters
Job 37:18
Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass
THE SKY IS MADE OUT OF GLASS LIKE MY GOD JESUS CHRIST SAID
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FmrGYvYcUo
Genesis 1
and GOD put water on top of the Firmament
there is water on top of the glass dome that's why the sky is blue
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAcp3BFBYw4
sorry hun GOD real but you got the wrong and if you are not ready to be hated by your family and the world good luck getting to heaven above the dome
god is real but you got the wrong GOD
As if you saying anything is changing my faith, lol.
ok then!!!
good luck in hell
you do not have eyes to see
you are blind
for my Lord Jesus Christ has put you here for a reason
but your eyes have waxed old
for my GOD has spread out the sky like glass
he has place the waters of judgement above it
the reflection of the sun and moon show his power
he lays the earth out like a carpet
and has his angels holding back the 4 winds
wp.production.patheos.com/.../FlatEarth.jpg
Glory to my GOD above the dome
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI0MVd7q5t4
I could tell you the same stuff, you know?
yeah I know
I have read the Quran to be sure I had the right GOD cause you know my GOD said study to always have an answer
so good luck proving your book of lies and that's easy to prove now
I'll debate
Dr. Zakir Naik
Mufti Menk
Dalia Mogahed
any of them
I will destroy them not hard
I don't have time to waste on blind people like you. Go debate with an Islamic scholar if you wish. Goodbye.
I’ve neve catcalled it’s insane I’m way too shy to act like that big of an idiot
What about if I'm completely invisible to women unless I do catcall?
Then remain invisible.
Yeah no, I'd rather get noticed.
So you getting attention is more important than a woman being able to have a dignified life? Yeah I totally see how much you respect women. I hope you never get laid.
Friend, what are you talking about? To get a woman, a man has to troll her and then reveal his true colors.
Do you not know how seduction works?
" I hope you never get laid. "
I sense great hatred. P. S.: I have already gotten laid.
Catcalling is not seductive, and if you think that it is, you're trash. No one likes trash.
But it is hilarious. And my life is all about the LOLZ.
She won't be traumatized. Rape is something that will traumatize a human. Words aren't. That's just a simple fact.
She would be, if it keeps happening again and again, especially if she is young.
Actually, that's not true at all. She would have to be very mentally weak for that to happen, in which case, it would be her fault.
But this is america, bullying is the norm and people approve of it. Just ask donald trump
Oh you post a disgruntled political opinion on a social issue thread?
**Sarcastic Gene Wilder lean**
You must be a social intellect.
@yoshi_wanna_ask Ill pretend to understand
It's an older meme
www.google.com.au/search
What is America? GirlsAskGuys? My country? No? Only your country?
Get out of your little bubble already.
They world is not going to sanitize itself because some people think they are delicate flowers.
Toughen up.
The world is simply not gonna give in to all shit that happens. Grow up.
Enjoy it while it lasts. When women hit the wall (looks start to fade) and they aren't getting as much attention as they did when they were younger, they start to envy the younger women getting the attention.
You can't decide for us whether or not we are gonna enjoy it. I never heard an old woman saying that she misses being catcalled. I understand that some miss being the popular girl in school or even just being loved by their husbands during their youth, most don't like being catcalled.
I hate being catcalled
Me too.
Well said and powerful message.
Yup very much agree with this article
Nice Take, I agree it's rude and demeaning
Best idea is to never say anything nice to a woman. It gets right past the possibility this particular female doesn't like being in a conversation.
Well, as strange as it might sound, yes, that is the best option. If you're not going up to ask her out and you don't know her, the best option, is not to say anything. Because well, you don't need to. Also harassment and something nice kind of complete opposites.
Yes. I don't need strangers to tell me something nice. I have my family, my friends.
@yoshi_wanna_ask That is defined by the mood the woman is in and how attractive she finds that particular male.
No one likes being mistreated and even good looks doedn't make someone get away with mischief.
That's a flat lie. Played out at every club on the planet.
I don't go to clubs.
@yoshi_wanna_ask That also means, don't help them either. Do your civic duty and call the authorities but don't lend a hand, don't even offer. If you don't know the female just leave her to fate.
I mentioned it somewhere else earlier, don't interact with outside women unless it's needed.
And it IS needed to save a person in danger if you are capable of doing so. This is regardless of who you are and who the person in danger is.
Nope
Yep.
fate? I didn't realise that was defined by refusing to say anything 'nice'. I'm okay if you want to be melodramatic, please go right ahead, but here she's talking about (certain) guys harassing women they don't know with unwanted, over the top, sexual comments. A guy yelling "Hey bring that sugar my way baby!" from across the street (which isn't nice) isn't exactly the same as someone at the bus stop saying "Hello, how are you on this beautiful morning?" (which is)
But random strangers tryna pick up a new one night stand and gentlemen striking up a friendly conversation is something women can determine pretty quickly. Which is why the polite guys gets a smile and a wave and the cat caller gets a finger... or a restraining order.
@yoshi_wanna_ask It's not my job to interpret every little mood every female might be in at any given time. All it takes is one thot on her period when a man says hi and there's a trial. Western females have gone insane and it's better to avoid these irrational engines of destruction than to spend two years of your life proving your innocence.
@yoshi_wanna_ask It's not melodramatic to protect oneself from a potential threat and western women represent exactly that. When a man can be destroyed 20 years later with "regret", that's a threat.
If you don't wanna take the responsibility of understanding her mood and comfort zone, you don't have the right to even talk to her let alone catcall.
What are you talking about? I'm glad if you're standing up for women who are being mistreated but I think we're talking about two completely different things. So this thread is about people who yell things at other people thinking that will make them attractive.
Your comment seemed to say "If women don't like those 'compliments' which are being yelled at them it's not worth saying anything nice to them at all". I said, it's well worth not saying anything to a woman you don't know if you're only thinking of saying "Hey sexy!" and now you're talking about being torn apart from regret 20 years later?
I think there's something missing here. If it's important to you, I'd like to understand it. But if you got sidetracked and would prefer to keep it private, I understand and I'll respect that. Okay?
@yoshi_wanna_ask I am responding to him saying that it is not his responsibility if a woman feels irritated by catcalling.
@yoshi_wanna_ask And talking to a woman is a completely different thing. The fact about that is, a guy has to understand when and where it is appropriate to do so.
When do women take responsibility for acting like adults in communication and not just passive "victims" of it?
An adult responds to inappropriate comments or gestures on the spot not wandering around claiming victimhood. When are these strong and independent women going to arrive?
@yoshi_wanna_ask Nice and catcalling are determined at the time of the event. Perspective on most of it is left to the person hearing it. While I agree that most of what the poster has illuminated is aggressive and sophomoric there's still the condition of reaction responsibility that has not been addressed, just victim narrative.
I think we're coming from two very different angles here. Okay, so 'catcalling' as I understand it, is *only* someone yelling something sexual or inappropriate at a passerby, whether that's down the street, on the road, across the workplace, whatever. As the author said, a few women like this, FEW, and recent studies state that over 95% of women greatly dislike it. There are almost no cases where a girl who has something screamed at her about her ass is going to feel safe & complimented by that. I mean if there's a victim there's a perpetrator, right? If women have so repeatedly and unanimously showed they don't like this, what is your solution to a situation like that?
You are talking about how an adult should behave?
I got catcalled since I was 10, and I am not an adult yet. Lemme tell you how an adult should behave. Adults don't catcall.
@yoshi_wanna_ask point.
@yoshi_wanna_ask Like I said, ignore them at all points unless necessary for business.
well written, good take
Good take. :)
Thank you. :)
Ladies and gentlemen, this is prime example of why no one takes feminism seriously anymore.
I lost my childhood, you didn't. I saw girls in panic for being catcalled, you didn't. So shut up cause I didn't talk about feminism here.
Exactly
If you're panicking because someone whistled at you then you have some serious issues you need to deal with alone. What you described is tentamount to PTSD in soldiers, that is not men's fault. Deal with your own problems.
One incident of whistling is insignificant. Several cases of it happening over the years is an issue.
If a guy says "hello beautiful" to you, you get scared?
@thottiana I don't get scared, but I get irritated.
Sure whistling at random people is an issue, I'm not denying that. But to put it as if it's a traumatic situation you come out with PTSD-like symptoms as if you're a war veteran is one far ass reach.
Some guy said "hey baby" to you, big deal. You're not a survivor, or even a victim. Get over yourself.
One incident is nothing. But when it happens over and over again, then it gets bothersome. And yes, when I was young, about 10 or 11 I used to get scared because I was new to it and had no idea what these dudes want from me.
Okay you'll just keep saying that same line over and over again. We're through here.
Because I have m final word here. There is nothing more to say.
So letting a girl know she has value actually lowers her value?
Logistics..
Yes it does. Cause the one who didn't value her feelings didn't value her.
I can see how a lot of those cat calls can make someone feel uneasy. But some of them are just more excitable wordings of "hey.. you're really hot!" If that hurts your little feelings and makes you feel unsafe, you're the problem, not them.
Of course I will feel unsafe. It causes self-consciousness. It causes uncertainty.
Being called beautiful by perverts never made me feel beautiful. They never will.
So what defines a pervert in your eyes?
Who sees women as being only worth their bodies and nothing else. -.-
How do you KNOW he sees women only for that though?
By their behavior.
Thanks for wasting my time with your whining
Great take!
Thank you!
Not gonna lie i wouldn't mind being catcalled
Not gonna lie I absolutely hate it.
*Reads title*
Let's not.