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3 Reasons Why Brazil Is More Sex-Positive Than America (Page 2)
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Hoping to meet a Brazilian girl in England. Anything is possible eh? :)
I admit people who's sexuality flows naturally and is part of their being. A lot of sexuality is shamed in the West, when it should be something so natural.
Exactly! Do you think there's such thing as a country being too sex-positive, though?
Well, there's only one way I can find out, girl :P
I haven't been to Brazil, so I don't know what it's like. But I wish I'd have been brought up in a more physical and demonstrative culture. After people get home here, they tend to slump in front of a TV.
I meant theoretically. Do you think it's possible for a country to be too sex-positive?
no as all the goverments are control freaks
@PleaseNoPineapples Too much of anything is bad. But I think Westerners certainly could stand to be more physical and more natural about sex. It's something to be enjoyed, just as a teen you enjoyed it's naturalness and freedom without shame and the weird perversions that can spring up from awry influences.
I disagree that too much sex-positivity is bad. Do you think public nudity should be legal?
I used to wear short shorts when I was in my early 20s and I did get harassed by guys. Worst thing was being bullied by other women because they didn't like them.
I'm in Australia and I think we have a long way to go.
Why don't you wear short shorts anymore? And how exactly did you get harassed by guys?
Being groped and grabbed, western men have no self control.
I still wear shorts buts not as short, shorts are way more comfortable than skirts.
https://imgur.com/vAFsnaz
I've been told that these are too short 😕 because I'm too old 😞.
I even go to to Konga classes where I've learnt how to twerk.
Of course those aren't too short! All my shorts and my mom's shorts are shorter than that. Why do you care what haters think? If you wanna wear short shorts like you did in your early 20s, just do it! My mom doesn't care what people think she's "too old" for. She's been judged for participating in bikini twerk contests with me but she doesn't care.
Haha I dragged my 19 year old coworker along to one of my Konga classes and she really wasn't sure what she was looking at it 😆.
My husband loves the way that I can twerk.
Do you mean you only twerk for your husband? Twerking is more of a public thing in Brazil. In all those bikini twerk contests, my dad was watching me and my mom and he didn't mind at all.
There is nothing "feminist" or "positive" on trying to mainstream promiscuity and irresponsible behavior.
As a sex-positive feminist, I couldn't disagree more. What's wrong with promiscuity if safe sex is practised?
1) True.
2) Depends... do you think here dosen't have any conservative people? Haha... here have A LOT (it's a massive cristian ountry) and depending the time, place and occasion, YES Twerking can be considered 'Slutty'. But in general... nah.
3) Griding you mean with a totally Unknow Guy? Yes we will like, but we will not take this girl 'serious'. But Griding with Boyfriend/Husband? Normal, nobody cares.
I've grinded with lots of totally unknown guys. Why does that mean you don't take me seriously?
Brazil is more sex positive than America because they are a nation that doesn't accept Jesus and God as the moral living to sexuality. Premarital sex, extramarital sex, casual sex is rampant in Brazil because people don't want to accept God's sex law and think their own morals is greater than God's. Anybody can believe in their own morals. A person who rapes can believe it's righteous. You need a moral standard and only God can set that, not individuals with different ways of their own thinking.
I agree but guess what? As an atheist, I think all those things are good things (except cheating)! You probably look down on me for having casual sex but I don't look down on you for being religious. How does that make you feel? I don't have a problem with religious people so it's funny when they judge me. We need more positivity in the world (not just sex-positivity)! :)
So if your 12 year old daughter had premarital sex, you'd be happy for her? if she sucked the wiener of a 25 year old man, you'd support her?
Since you're atheist, there's no ultimate moral authority. You can simply murder and rape people and if you die not caught by government, then you'd receive no afterlife punishment as well. Without God, life is meaningless. If it's a finite existence isn't worth having an existence then.
Atheists are more religious than Christians.
If it's not sex situated, why don't little boys and men in Brazil wear short shorts and show skin too?
I'm slut shamed here in America too.
Being an atheist doesn't mean I don't have morals. When did I say wearing short shorts and showing skin has nothing to do with sex? The difference is that in Brazil, it's considered common sense for girls to own their sexuality (at least in terms of clothing). What's wrong with that? I get that you're against casual sex but is girls showing skin really that bad to you?
But being an atheist, if you chose to rape and murder and wasn't caught on earth, you'd get away with your evil deeds if no God or Hell.
Why is it just the females? Why can't little boys and men own their sex and show skin and wear short shorts? And God said sex is more the marriage bed only. That's why it's immoral.
Of course little boys and men can wear short shorts. But why would they?
Why would little girls and women wear them?
To show off our bodies. What's your point?
Then why can't little boys and men wear them to show off their bodies?
Little boys and men can wear short shorts. What point are you even trying to make?
You said they shouldn't but said girls should.
No, I said it wouldn't make sense for little boys and men to wear short shorts. What's your point?
Why wouldn't it make sense for little boys and men to wear short shorts but would make sense for little girls and women to wear short shorts?
Because men and women are different! Isn't that obvious? But if guys wanna start wearing short shorts (especially guys who work their legs out), I won't mind! :)
How are they different? What makes the skin of little girls and women more important to show that the skin of little boys and men?
You say we're different but what makes those differences in terms of showing their bodies?
The difference is in attraction (men are more attracted to women's thighs than we are to men's thighs). But like I said, I definitely wouldn't mind if men started wearing short shorts. Again, what's your point?
How do you know what men are attracted to or what other women are attracted to? You only know what yourself is attracted to. How would you know men are more attracted to women's thighs than women are to men's thighs? Even if that was true, why would it matter between little girls and little boys?
Why should the showing of skin matter what the opposite sex is attracted to? So you should wear short shorts if it attracts the opposite sex?
I wear short shorts a lot and no women notice me and I see women wear short shorts a lot and I don't notice them.
It matters for little girls because that's not too young to want boys to notice you. What's your point with all this?
Which country isn't more sex-positive than America? lol
Aren't lots of countries less sex-positive than America? I think every country could be more sex-positive (including Brazil).
Sure, but there's this stereotype that Americans are shocked about sex crazy Europeans and Brazilians or many more nations..
Do you think there's such thing as a country being too sex-positive?
If it exists, I haven't been there yet.
I meant theoretically. Do you think it's possible for a country to be too sex-positive?
A country is too sex-positive if someone doesn't agree with it. So yes, theoretically, there are countries that are too sex-positive for some people.
What are your thoughts on the Free the Nipple campaign?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_the_Nipple_(campaign)
Normal guys welcome the sight, normal girls welcome a new freedom that they don't 'have to' participate in. Win-win.
Have you ever flashed? I've flashed way too many guys to count lol.
So in other words? Women in Brazil aren't seen as women but as sex objects? Much like they are over here?
If a woman choosing to wear short shorts and twerk and grind makes her a sex object, what's wrong with being a sex object?
It's degrading.
How is it degrading? I find it empowering to do all those things.
That's why it's degrading. That's not a woman, it's the actions of an unintelligent, immature girl. I hate women like that and those types run wild here in America.
If you want to do those things then go ahead, you have the right to. But if you think for a moment that I am going to or should respect you for your decision, you're sadly mistaken
Then I guess you hate me and all my friends lol. Can you actually explain how it's degrading? I can explain why I think it's empowering. It's literally empowering in that you're using your sexual power over guys. Does that make sense? When I wear short shorts or twerk or grind, I'm the one with the power.
Haha, glad you think that. You have the power because we let you. The second we demand control, you're fucked. Literally. And you're inviting that type of negative behavior. You want to know why men don't respect you? Because you don't respect yourself, because you contribute to the sexualization of women.
Women today are so empowered! I wonder what the suffragettes would think of this behavior.
Of course I'm sexualizing myself when I wear short shorts and twerk and grind (that's the whole point). So, your argument is that I shouldn't do those things because some men won't respect me? I don't care what slut shamers think.
And thats your decision, a decision you should be able to make and that others can make. But, that doesn't mean I or anyone else has to agree with your decisions. And that's what I'm saying, I'm not saying not to do what makes you happy. I'd what makes you happy is behaving like a slut then do it. I won't stop you and I should not be able to. But I do have an opinion and my opinion is that I am not interested nor do I respect women who engage in that sort of behavior. Which I have the right not to do.
America is not sexually oppressed, America is one of the most blatantly sexual countries on the planet. Hollywood, porn, feminism. All of it strives for women to be sluts and me even saying that it is slutty makes me a pariah.
I don't agree with your life style choices and I don't have to. Nor do you have to agree with me on my opinion. That's the beauty of freedom of expression, to speak freely with another individual who may have a difference if opinion and then move on.
I get that you wouldn't date a girl who wears short shorts and twerks and grinds. But why does that mean you don't respect me? I don't think respect should have anything to do with it.
And that's why I don't respect you. You're ignorant on how you present yourself and what it does to you and others. It has everything to do with respect, you are acting in ways some view as undesirable and disgusting. So of course we won't respect a person who engages in something we find deplorable.
For the record I know people probably think my reason for having this opinion is because my religion influences my decision. That could not any further from the truth. I'm atheist and hate religion and I don't respect too many people who are religious either. So I'm not a white American Christian.
What exactly do you think is disgusting about me wearing short shorts, twerking, and grinding? Are you gonna elaborate on that? Which of those 3 things do you find the most disgusting? Why? Do you also find sex disgusting?
Wearing short shorts is not seen as ideal when looking for a girl but it's the least atrocious action of the three. Grinding being by far the sluttiest as it is sexual in nature and being done to random people who you are not in a committed relationship with. Twerking is just stupid and gross looking. I don't know why it just is, my brain naturally says, "ew, that's gross".
As for sex I don't find sex it'self to be disgusting. Sex is one of the most precious things two people can do together. It has such a high esteem in my opinion that is the reason I despise and look down on people who don't respect and value sex the way it's supposed to be.
So, you find casual sex more disgusting than any of those 3 things? I've had casual sex lots of times and I've never regretted it. Love should be special but why should sex be special?
Sex is only special when it's being done with someone you love. That's the fucking point I'm been making this whole time...
Please do not reply again, I'm sick of this conversation.
I'm gonna reply as long as you keep replying lol. Why should sex be special in the first place? Why can't it be just pleasure?
1 is absolutely wonderful (come on, it's just bodies, it's just skin, we weren't born with clothes), 2 I feel pretty good about as well (moving your butt in a dance isn't necessarily a bad thing)...3 I don't like so much, as it's a bit too explicit, but different strokes for different cultures.
Why do you think grinding is too explicit? I disagree with "different strokes for different cultures" (I think every culture should be as sex-positive as Brazil).
Same reason I don't like seeing people french kiss in public... it's just not appropriate.
Of course, that's all subjective... maybe I'm just a bit prude, but currently I am not comfortable with couples slurping in each other's faces, or girls rubbing their butts on their boyfriend's crotch till they get hard in public... lol.
But in general, I agree with you. Better for a place to be too sex positive than not enough. Sexuality is literally the most natural thing there is out there, and repressing it only causes more perversion.
Plus, better have a sex crazed culture than a violence crazed culture... for some reason young kids seeing someone get their head cut off and salt in their eyes is fine, but two people playing with each other is not...
At Carnival, girls rub their butt on guys' crotches till they get hard in public but it's usually not their bf's (I know from personal experience lol). Why exactly does it make you uncomfortable?
Ah, so it's not even their boyfriends... well I can't say that in America people don't hook up just for fun either.
And as for why exactly it makes me uncomfortable, there's not much to it... it's just not considered a decent thing to do, and though a lot of people still do it, it's look down upon where I live.
I used to grind with other guys right in front of my ex-bf (he didn't mind). Well, you just explained why people don't consider it to be decent. But why do you personally find grinding in public uncomfortable? Do you think you'd change your mind if you did it?
If I did it no... but if I was raised in a more sex-positive culture, then yes, probably.
What exactly about grinding in public makes you uncomfortable?
Didn't you just ask the same question a few replies ago? But either ways, it's just simply not socially acceptable around where I live. Plus, what are small elementary schoolers supposed to think when they see that?
My friends and I used to grind in public when we were small elementary schoolers lol. Do you think that was wrong?
As elementary schoolers? That could vary in different countries, but where I live (Orlando Florida) Elementary schoolers are like 5-10 years old... some of them might be a bit younger or a bit older depending on their birthday or what age they started, but generally they are 5 in kindergarten and 10 in 5th grade... I didn't even have those feelings and no one talked about that type of stuff till I was like 13 in middle school, in 8th grade...
Our parents obviously wouldn't have been okay with it but we still did it. Do you think it was wrong? Why?
I mean just wtf, lol. How were you even interested in that type of stuff at like 5 years old? At 5 years old my main concerns were playing in the playground, watching Mister Rogers' Neighborhood, and eating ice cream. I didn't even know sexual stuff existed till I was like 13-14.
We were older than 5. Do you think it was wrong?
Define "older than 5"...6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11?
I was 7 the 1st time I grinded. Do you think it was wrong?
Not necessarily... I don't consider anything truly "wrong" really unless it's hurting anyone... but inappropriate, yes indeed. Before I even began to think about that type of stuff I was like twice that age, lmao. I was like 13-14.
As a girl who dresses conservatively and generally avoids a lot of attachment with the opposite gender, it was really interesting to read this post. Kudos!
Do you think you wouldn't dress conservatively if you were raised in Brazil? No girl dresses conservatively in Brazil (it just doesn't happen). It's just considered common sense that of course girls should show off their bodies.
I don't think so I would.
That's interesting. What's your reason for dressing conservatively in the first place? I don't dress conservatively because it's cooler (in terms of the weather), it's more comfortable, and I get more attention from guys. What advantage is there to dressing conservatively? Just less chance of being slut shamed in America?
@PleaseNoPineapples There's nothing wrong with dressing conservatively. A lot of girls dress that way because they feel more comfortable and they enjoy not giving every man a free look at their bodies. I have no respect for girls that have everything hanging out like they do in South American countries. I always hated Brazil and their sense of pride with promiscuity and dancing around like animals. The only thing I like, as a martial arts practitioner, is Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. At least they did that right... LOL.
@InTimoreDei There's nothing wrong with "showing skin" as well... the only reason bodies are considered "bad" is completely made up by men. We were all born naked, it's just how our bodies is.
And I have absolutely no problem with covering up or showing skin AT ALL unless one side decides to attack the other. THEN I get mad. And that's exactly what you have done. Go fuck yourself.
What you find good or bad is up to you. Period. -.- So what if I dress conservatively?
Also, I am totally against slut shaming, so no question of dressing conservatively because I would get slut-shamed, and in America? I don't live in America. I dress conservatively for God, not for the public. If you have any problem with it then stop replying.
@InTimoreDei Why do you not respect me just because I like showing off my body?
I don't think there's anything wrong with you dressing conservatively! I was just curious about your reason for it (you said it's about God). Do you think you wouldn't dress conservatively if you were an atheist? Again, I'm just curious! I'm not judging you.
I don't know. Maybe I would, maybe I would not. Our environment influences us so much!
Why do you think you maybe would still dress conservatively if you were an atheist? Wouldn't it be obvious to not dress conservatively simply because you'd feel cooler on hot days?
I might as well have different ideas, you see. Even Atheists have their own ideas about how much skin showing is fine.
Would you go nude at a nude beach for a million dollars? I've been to lots of nude beaches (for free lol).
No I wouldn't. My body is more precious than that to me.
It's interesting to me how we're so different! I remember what you said about me sleeping with that guy who grabbed my ass on the beach. Would you really have started fighting him?
I wouldn't be up for a fight. I'd give him a slap or punch then leave.
Are you also waiting till marriage to have sex for religious reasons?
Yeah.
Don't you ever get "urges"? I could never wait till marriage.
@PleaseNoPineapples It takes strength. A strength she has, clearly.
Of course I also have hormone kicks! But it doesn't mean that I have to give in to these urges, do I?
@InTimoreDei Are you telling me you've never masturbated?
So, you just do nothing when you get those urges?
The case with masturbation is that, once you start it and give in to the urges coming afterwards... at one point you can't stop. It's better not to even start doing it in the first place. I'm no angel free of physical needs, but we are all capable of overcoming them.
I know what you mean by not being able to stop lol. I've even masturbated with my brother and parents in the room. Do you mean you've never masturbated? What about just squeezing your legs together? I do that when it's too risky to masturbate.
I would be lying if I said that I never did it. But I am not into it.
Do you mean you masturbated to porn?
I don't want to get into details. But I am not into porn as well.
So, you masturbated but not to porn? Have you never watched porn?
Let's talk in private if you're so curious! I'm not comfortable with talking details in public but you're a girl so it's fine in private. :)
The shit women value in life... Its a 3rd world country in many parts and crime is insane. What else do poor people do butt *&@? Get it butt &*@? Its akin to typical black culture here in America.
You can praise parts of something while thinking it overall needs improvement. The same thing applies to American black culture. If it's more sex-positive than American white culture, shouldn't that be viewed as a good thing? Or do you think America should be even less sex-positive?
Sex positivity (god what stupid language these days) creates what net benefit to society? By that logic legalize prostitution and lower the age of consent to something more 3rd world-ish i. e. 13.
You ruin a man's innate desire to care for a woman provide and protect etc when you cheapen sex and you destroy a woman's desire to pair bond. After enough dick women don't even know what love is anymore. You've transformed it into a tool, a hobby, a cigarette on your lunch break. Granted this happens anyway as human beings are shitty users and abusers these days, but at YOUR age is NOT a good outlook. Fertility rates drop, child abuse and neglect increase, drug usage increases, narcissism increases, all manner of shitty behaviors typically associated with women goes up.
You, do whatever you want but don't kid yourself into thinking this is a net GOOD for your culture. Mothers twerking with their preteen daughters, and their infant sons are watching... and THEN posting it online.
... and men are just like "meh, free pussy!" So they lose their desire for a proper wife and mother.
Pssst, and as an older man, devaluing your ace in the hole for attracting men with resources is not smart, ask an older used up former feminist. We start to look overseas for wives and mothers when we've ejaculated in enough random chicks for 20 years, while you guys kid yourselves with articles like this at age 42
www.eharmony.com/.../
www.vice.com/.../i-tried-to-give-up-on-men-for-a-month
www.bolde.com/.../
My mom never posted it online but twerking with me when I was a preteen while my brother and dad watched was normal to us. What does that have to do with promiscuity, though? Not that your slut shaming is okay but twerking doesn't even have to do with promiscuity.
Why not mention the native American indians who scalped their enemies? At least they weren't afraid of the taboos of murder? Right?
America has some sense of boundaries.
Are you really comparing wearing short shorts, twerking, and grinding to murder?
I am using an absurd example to show how comparing different cultural morals has no traction. Just because they do this doesn't make it acceptable. If you see everyone around you scalping others, does that make it okay? Of course not. Now think of it with this example.
What's not okay about wearing short shorts, twerking, and grinding?
It is hyper sexual, and isn't respectful to ones own body.
What's wrong with being hyper sexual?
like all desires the more you fuel it the more it grows and the lesser self control you have.
What does self control have to do with it? I have a high sex drive but that doesn't mean I can't control myself.
Hmmm... I'm thinking about moving to Brazil LOL... although Portuguese isn't the easiest language to learn. Short shorts and grind dancing sound awesome, but I think twerking just looks stupid and not sexy at all.
That's interesting that you think grinding is awesome but not twerking. Why do you think twerking looks stupid?
Why do you prefer one thing over another, whatever it is? I just find it unattractive. It's not sensual to me. It's like a loud washing machine versus one that makes no noise. Same thing for me, for example, with piercings. I think the one through the nostrils with the little ring makes a woman look like a little piggie ready to be put on a barbecue. But a nice little stud through the nose, or the lips, looks sexy as can be !!
Why exactly do you find twerking unattractive? Are you more of a "boobs man" than an "ass man"?
No, I just think it looks goofy and unattractive... that's all. I prefer something like belly dancing.
Why do you think twerking looks goofy?
Next thing you would be having public sex on the sidewalk and you wouldn't want people to call you slutty
That'd obviously be inappropriate but wouldn't it still not be slutty? It's not like that girl would be having sex with every guy.
Isn't it that important to you to express yourselves using your bodies? can't you skip this way and use something else?
What do you mean by expressing myself using my body? Are you talking about twerking? Grinding? Something else?
Yes, like why do you enjoy these things? and hate when people call them taboo?
Why wouldn't I enjoy twerking and grinding? They're fun. Have you never grinded?
Nop why would I
Because it feels good! Don't you like girls? Don't you wanna grind with them?
Only one girl she is my girlfriend and that's okay but grinding with a stranger or someone I barely know is disgusting no matter how hot they are
Why do you think grinding with a stranger is disgusting? I've grinded with lots of strangers.
Well that's why I disagree with you, we can't do everything just because we enjoy it
Why can't we do everything just because we enjoy it? I enjoy grinding with strangers so I do it. What's wrong with that?
Your setting example for other girls, which might turn to be real sluts from observing your actions... they could get pregnant and abort their unwanted child... being a slut and doing whatever you want is never ok... no religion in the world agrees with that... you just want to find an excuse to such things without being criticized but criticism will not harm you... there will be other consequences that are worse
According to you, my friends and I are sluts. What's wrong with 1-night stands as long as you don't get pregnant? Haven't you heard of birth control?
Haven't you heard that birth control doesn't guarantee 100% that you won't get pregnant?
Imagine I got pregnant from a 1-night stand. Why would you care? That'd be my business. I don't understand slut shamers like you.
Reason why brazillions show a lot of skin is because 90 percent of the women are fit and they know it...
Have you been to Brazil? Lots of Brazilian women aren't fit (but we still show a lot of skin)! It's just a different culture.
Not fit as in exercise fit lol... fit as in gorgeous
Do you agree that America should be more sex-positive like Brazil?
Yes but they are a bit squiffy
Do you think there's such thing as a country being too sex-positive?
Also, I would think Brazilian women are more proud of their bodies or aren't ashamed if someone compliments them on it.
Yeah, I've never understood why some American women think being complimented on their ass is a bad thing! That type of objectification is just viewed completely differently in Brazil. Does that mean you agree that America should be more sex-positive like Brazil?
North America period should be more relaxed I think. Even Europe is much more sexually liberal than us here. I'm from Canada myself.
Yeah I have had a lot of experiences and have many Brazilian friends actually. I find even the women are very proud of their bodies and actually desire to be complimented on the like. The attitude of Brazilians is very comfortable in their own skin
And it's not that they are promiscuous, since it's a highly Christian society, they just feel the body should be celebrated and appreciated more I suppose or freely at least. Brazilian women are so sensual.
Yeah, it's considered common sense in Brazil that women wanna be complimented on their bodies. Well, I'm an atheist. Are you implying that being promiscuous is a bad thing?
Depends on the basis of your promiscuity really. If you are using it to gain or manipulate, than I would think not really. But if it's just because you are sexual and love having sex, than as long as you're safe and you respect yourself than it's all good.
How do you define promiscuous? Do you consider yourself to be promiscuous?
To me promiscuity is you just have sex with whoever. Like if you have sex with someone multiple times, and someone else multiple times, than it's just you like having sex with these guys. But if it's like a different person a day, than you might be using it to replace something else missing in your life.
I guess I'm promiscuous according to your definition. What do you think I'm missing in my life? Why can't I just enjoy being single?
Nothing wrong with enjoying being single. I guess I'm putting a wrong judgment on you then. I apologize. It's just most women say that they look for a connection rather than just the physical part of sex. So then, being promiscuous is not the "norm" for most women, since not many women have a connection with many people to be sexual with.
Or maybe, it's the fact you are so confident in yourself and trusting in the male populous that you aren't worried about being hurt or you don't invest yourself or your heart enough to put a worry on what sex will do to your feelings? Sex really does have a connection to that person to me, even if you're not in love with that person, you still have to have an affinity for that person to want to or to enjoy sex with them. But maybe that's not you, maybe you just use men as "masturbation" tools in a sense instead of a dildo or whatever toy you want to use for masturbation?
Am I right in assuming you've never had a 1-night stand?
Pfff I've had a few actually. My sexual past is fairly interesting to say the least. But I don't see it as a normal thing for women to do.
All my single friends and I have had lots of 1-night stands. Don't you see how what you're saying makes it seem like you support double standards?
Loving in Florida I interact with many Brazillians and must agree there seems to be much less tabboo surrounding sex.
What do you mean by there seeming to be much less taboo surrounding sex? Do you mean us talking more openly about it?
I agree. But to be fair, being more sex-positive than America isn't exactly hard to achieve in the western world.
Do you think there's such thing as a country being too sex-positive? I think every country still has a long way to go in terms of being sex-positive.
I don't know of any country like that, do you?
I meant theoretically. Do you think it's possible for a country to be too sex-positive?
As long as sexual liberties concern consenting adults only, I don't think so. But maybe I'm not thinking this through enough. What do you think?
I don't think it's possible for a country to be too sex-positive. Why do you think it should only include adults? Why not teens?
I said consenting adults.
Why not consenting teens?
Consenting teens are fine too (with each other), but the problem is there's quite some grey areas. From what age on should a teen be considered able to consent, for instance? Opinions differ quite a bit about that around the world. This needs a lot more nuance. With adults it's clear.
I lost my virginity at 14 to a random guy I hooked up with. Do you think I was too young? To clarify, the age of consent is 14 in Brazil.
That's hard for me to tell, as I don't know you or your life.
You said consenting teens are only fine with each other but the guy I lost my virginity to was 19. Do you think that's wrong? There's no right or wrong answer! I'm just curious about your opinion.
There's a lot of grey area with this stuff, so it's really hard to say. I think it was morally wrong of the 19 year old to do that. He's young too, but he's 19 and an adult. Especially during those young years, a few years make a HUGE difference in terms of maturity and consent.
From your perspective it makes sense, why wouldn't you have done it if you were into him. But from his perspective I think it was not okay by any means. Whether he intended too or not, he was taking advantage of your young age.
It always makes me question his sexuality. Why would a grown man be sexually into a 14 year old girl? The offical term for that is hebephilia, which is like pedophilia but not concerning kids but early pubescent teens (ages 11-14).
Many typos in this, sorry.
I'm the one who initiated sex with that 19-year-old. Why do you think it was morally wrong for him to agree? It's legal in Brazil and he was attracted to me. So, how was it wrong?
I'm not talking about legalities. Even if you were the one initiating it, he was the one taking advantage of you. Look, I'm not trying to offend you or anything, I don't think you did anything wrong. I think he did something wrong.
I basically pressured that 19-year-old into it. So, do you think I was also taking advantage of him? In my opinion, consent is consent.
He was the grown up, not you. So no.
Consent is only consent if it's given by someone who's mature enough to give consent. A 14 year old is hardly mature enough. But like I said, it's a lot of grey area.
And consent aside, like I said before, I find it kinda problematic of a grown man to be sexually interested in a young teen (hebephilia). But whatever, you seem to disagree either way, so I guess there's no point in continuing this. Unless you want to?
I wanna continue this because I'm curious about your opinions. Why do you think it's weird that he was attracted to me? Forget about labels (like hebephilia). Why do you personally find it weird?
Because he was a grown man but you weren't a grown woman.
Would you have found that 19-year-old's attraction weird if he were 17?
Like I said, it's a grey area. It's hard to draw a specific line. But also like I said before, during your teens, these few years make huge differences in development of maturity.
Since you think 14-year-olds are "hardly mature" enough for sex, do you think it's wrong that the age of consent is 14 in Brazil?
I didn't say that 14 year olds are harly mature enough to have sex, I said they're far from being on the same maturity level as adults. I have no problem with underaged teens being allowed to have sex with each other.
That's interesting that you think I was mature enough to have sex with other 14-year-olds when I was 14. Why do you think I needed more maturity when I lost my virginity to that 19-year-old? Didn't I do the same thing (have sex)?
I never said that, you misunderstood me.
Actually, in my last comment I explicitly said that I didn't say that.
Didn't you say you have no problem with underaged teens being allowed to have sex with each other?
Yes, I did say that. But I never said that teens shouldn't have sex.
Since you have no problem with 14-year-olds being allowed to have sex with each other, why do you have a problem with them having sex with 19-year-olds?
I have explained that before. Because one of the two is an adult and the other is an early teen who is not on the same mental maturity level as the adult. I really don't think we will be able to come to a mutual understanding here...
Why do you have a problem with that, though? Why the weird obsession with their maturity levels being the same? Both a 14-year-old and a 19-year-old have at least the maturity level of a 14-year-old. Isn't that the only thing that matters (the minimum maturity level)? Do you get what I mean? Someone being more mature can't possibly be a bad thing.
So, would you say a 14 year old should be treated as an adult in all other aspects of life as well? Legally, socially, and so on? If not, why not? Do you think a 14 year old should be a allowed to vote? If yes, why not a 13 or 12 year old as well? Do you think a 14 year old should be allowed to quit school and leave their parents' place and live on their own? If yes, do you think they should also have to pay taxes like everyone else? Do you think a 14 year old committing a crime should be punished the same way as an adult?
Of course not. I just don't get why you think it's okay for 14-year-olds to have sex with each other but not with 19-year-olds. Why does it matter that a 19-year-old is more mature? Isn't it a good thing that they're more mature?
So then tell me, why is your answer "of course not"? What are your reasons for that opinion?
My answer's only "of course not" due to the financial situation of 14-year-olds. Can you answer my question now? If 2 people are having sex, shouldn't only the minimum maturity level matter? Someone being more mature can't be a bad thing.
Wait, so you think a 14 year old should be allowed to legally emancipate from their parents and quite school and get a job and live on their own, if they wish to? The parents should have no right to stop their child from doing so? Am I getting this right, or am I misunderstanding you? I just wanna avoid misunderstandings before I answer your question.
No, my answer was "of course not" (due to the financial situation of 14-year-olds). Can you answer my question now? Someone being more mature in a sexual situation can't possibly be a bad thing. Of course, it'd be even better if both people were 19. But isn't it at least better than if both people were 14? I don't get why you think having more maturity in a sexual situation is a bad thing.
Umm, okay I'll try again:
Wait, so you think a 14 year old should be allowed to legally emancipate from their parents and quite school and get a job and live on their own, if they wish to? The parents should have no right to stop their child from doing so? Am I getting this right, or am I misunderstanding you? I just wanna avoid misunderstandings before I answer your question.
I will answer your question, don't worry. But I'd like to understand your reasoning first, os can you please answer these questions above?
No, I don't think a 14-year-old should be allowed to do those things. Can you answer my question now?
Well, my answer to your question is probably the same as your answer to the question WHY you don't think a 14 year old should be allowed to do those things. That's point I was trying to make.
Instead of arguing, try to put yourself in my position. Imagine you're 14 and just lost your virginity to a 19-year-old. Would you feel like something bad happened? Why? You consented to it and enjoyed it. You even basically pressured him into it. So, what's the problem?
I'm not trying to argue with you. In fact, I was the one who said long ago that we're probably not gonna come to an agreement, you were the one who wanted to continue this conversartion. Which is fine by me, but please don't say I'm arguing with you.
I never said that you did anything wrong back then.
If you want to continue our conversation, I suggest we do it in PMs from now on.
Do you think that 19-year-old did something wrong? And why do you wanna move our conversation to PMs?
I don't wanna discuss this publicly any further.
It was pretty interesting to read about this. The first point, I wish could be incorporated in our country. I really do.
Do girls get slut shamed a lot for wearing short shorts where you live? Has it happened to you?
Yeah, they do. Like, they aren't looked upon as good women.
I was wearing this swimming costume, like damn! It's not even a bikini. A swimming costume, and I'm like pretty busty... and I was the only one girl in the swimming pool except this old fucking man. Shameless, as he was, he was staring the shit out of me and not like through the corner of his eyes. Directly.
O decided to ignore, once, twice. But that was it. I asked him, what he was staring at. And he simply denied. After, swimming, when I came out of the pool, the maid there says "You can't really blame him. You've worn such short clothes. It really isn't what the culture says. If you give them things to look at, they will. Try wearing clothes that cover your body!. "Like wtf? It's a swimming pool. What am I supposed to wear? Sari? Or a sweater and pants that cover my body entirely.
Isn't that an example of pervy men, not slut shaming? The same thing happens in Brazil. But when old men stare at me wearing a bikini on the beach, I just find it flattering. Although, I get that some girls find it uncomfortable!
Yeah, but I was actually trying to focus on what the maid said... The conservative behaviour.
Slut shaming? If a woman goes to buy a condom in a medical shop, they slut shame her. It caught in camera. And well, there are too many instances...
That sounds horrible! Has that happened to you (being slut shamed for buying a condom)? Or being slut shamed for having casual sex?
I'm pretty much a virgin, so no.
It hasn't happened to me but I've seen my friends being slut shamed.
Are you a virgin due to the fear of being slut shamed? Or is it your choice?
I am 17 years old, unlike the profile here which says 21. So, I have a long road before I finally lose my virginity. As for your question, I'm a virgin but choice. I believe in losing my virginity to my husband, as conservative as that sounds. I'm not afraid of being slut shamed, coz honestly it doesn't matter. People will always have zillion things to talk about you, against you. How long are we gonna think Scott what others have to say.
So, in short, I'm a virgin by choice.
**think about
We're opposites in a way. I mean, I lost my virginity at 14 to a random guy I hooked up with. But everyone's different! Are you waiting till marriage for religious reasons? Just curious.
Not religious reasons... I really believe in keeping myself solely for the person I'll get married to. I mean, having sex with a stranger never excited me.
But again, I'm not the one to judge. I have lots of friends who aren't a virgin, one lost her virginity to her cousin at 11 (her own choice). I guess, it's just a matter of preference. I prefer losing my virginity to my husband. Someone else has a preference different to mine. It's fine.
What do you think?
That's interesting that sex with a stranger doesn't excite you. It might not be your preference but how can you say it's not exciting? Do you think you'd change your mind if you tried it? That's like the main benefit of having sex with a stranger (that it's exciting).
It really doesn't excite me, frankly.
I won't try it, so I don't know. It's almost like, I've made up my mind. And I don't change my mind easily. Lol. I mean, if I were a different human being, and tried it, maybe I'd have views different to mine. But atm, no.
And I'm not saying that having sex with a stranger isn't exciting. I'm saying, it doesn't excite ME. It maybe exciting to someone else. You understand what I'm trying to say?
I don't think you can really say if something would excite you till you try it. So, why not just try it? It's weird that you won't change your mind because if you get married, you won't be able to try it. Do you get what I mean? If you get married, you won't be able to do anything about those regrets.
But I don't want to... It's more like, I want to lose my virginity to only one man. And he'll be the only one I'll ever have sex with. Think about it this way... He's that special person...
I've always believed in "the one" concept. So, I guess my ideologies are because of that.
I'm not sure, but I believe that I won't regret not having sex with any stranger. I'd rather be happy that I'm keeping myself raw for the man I'll get married to.
Have you thought about waiting till marriage to have sex but then having an open marriage? I just think you'll eventually get the urge to cheat if you don't do that.
No no no no. Not an open marriage.
I don't understand, why would I want to cheat? I mean, If you love someone won't you be happy giving your everything to him and only him? How would you even think about having sex with others?
Can you PM me? I can explain but there's some things I don't wanna share with everyone.
Send me to brazil will you
Ill sneak in your suitcase
I wanna see
Short shorts
Twerking
'Freak dancing'
Lol
Sexy brazil girls fack 😛
Can't you see the same thing in America? It's just more socially accepted in Brazil (you'll see twerking and grinding in public more often).
no lol
the girls in south america are... way more open minded and sexier lol
when I went To Dominican... that was obvious... the girls just aren't afraid to get close and look really hot
What exactly do you mean by us being more open-minded? More open about sex?
Men can't even get near women in the US right now. A simple hello is considered sexual harassment. You really think with that attitude in this country will help the gender roles?
That's an exaggerating of I ever heard one. A little common sense goes a long way in avoiding sexual harassment.
Exaggeration*
So, you support America becoming more sex-positive like Brazil? Being sex-positive isn't only about making things better for women.
WTF is sex positive? Who defines that? You?