Why "The Problem is Toxic Male Masculinity" is Wrong (Page 2)

[OldS0ul]

I used to work in a gym full of male clients and coworkers and I rarely if ever experienced what I would describe as "toxic masculinity". I have experienced arrogance, rudeness, and aggression, but these aren't strictly masculine characteristics.

[bubble_tea]

I think you're right that toxic masculinity is about toxic parts of human behaviour in general. I assume people call it some of those toxic parts toxic masculinity, because for who knows how many centuries those traits were said to be masculine traits.. traits good men should have and desire to have, but good women should avoid possessing.

[jellyroo]

What is toxic masculinity supposed to be, honestly?

[Paultripps]

Exactly

[Al-Khawrazmi]

Well, almost anything can be seen as toxic depending on the context. Even water can be toxic, if you try to drink 50 gallons of it. Indeed, masculine behavior can be toxic in certain context, but so do femininity, water, oxygen, etc. If you want to ban masculinity, because it can be toxic in some cases, then you should ban femininity, water and oxygen too
We need less hypocrites in politics (both at right and left) and more scientific thinking, instead. Otherwise, we will just keep discussing imaginary problems, instead of focusing on real challenges.

[RaijuRainBird]

It’s the societal pressures to force men not to be feminine or gender neutral.

[Deuteros]

A way to demonize men.

[FakeName123]

Toxic masculinity is actually a thing, but not how SJWs and feminists describe it.

Toxic masculinity is when boys and men are incapable of learning how to valve their masculine energy, aggression, etc. in a positive manner. Ironically the left-wing does exactly the opposite. It tries to suppress those masculine energies and thus creates actual toxic masculinity.

[ryancg]

As far as I can tell "toxic masculinity" is just a buzzword that some people like to use to disguise their sexism towards males.

[Aynsof]

You do make some interesting points
And I do think you touch upon something of a general problem
We do need unity
For society to function we need each other
And we need to value each other
But we live in a decaying civilization people exploit division between us for monetary or political gains and we let them as we have been all sold on hailing individualism... and it is killing us but we do care as long as someone else has it worse
We need a different mentality

[Gedaria]

TOXIC, What does it mean one definition say poisonous to the system. Feminists have been said to be toxic, but it isn't poisonous , it actually does a lot of good , gives women a voice . Toxic males they keep and perpetuate this evil male dominance as if they are the best. Sadly guys it just shows how pathetic it is when you have to use force to keep the ladies quiet. Thankfully their voice is getting louder and it cannot be stopped , thanks ladies keep on going...

[Kurαȷ]

Toxic parts of human behavior, you mean something like... you name calling groups you don't have the slightest idea about?

Yes, we should start approaching the problem of toxicity in human behavior.
For example, you can start with yourself.

[Max_winner1]

Easy turn boys into girls starting at school to be little submissive bitches who don't have balls to stand up for what is right.

Nothing wrong with masculinity, it's just feminists who have issues with all men in general.

[Chris_Humble]

Props to you OP. You are on the right track. There is nothing wrong with masculinity. 'Women' aka Feminists just want to push against their ficticious enemy called 'patriarchy'. They do this because they know if they blame men directly the backlash would be big. Same with 'toxic masculinity' instead of just blaming plain ol masculinity. It's really just bullying.

[CubsterShura]

When we talk about toxic masculinity, we do not mean that there is no other toxic behavior existing in the world.

[Kiran04]

There is nothing toxic about masculinity. Never was, never will be. The only thing toxic is the rhetoric surrounding it.

[Fataters]

But if there is toxic masculinity and toxic femininity, whats the point of focusing on one and ignoring the other completely, as if it is the one biggest problem? It just implies you do not acknowledge the presence of the other. Actions speak louder than words

[Fataters]

Bringing up African hunger while a group of people is trying to solve hunger in Brazil is irrelevant and stupid, but in problems so closely related to each other like this, you have to address the other when you talk about one in order for your argument to be anywhere near relevant.

[CubsterShura]

There is nothing toxic about masculinity or being male. There are many things toxic about guys putting too much stress on themselves and others just for the sake of masculinity.

Look at how y'all got pissed despite me mentioning that other kinds of toxic behaviors DO exist. When did I say that the other kinds are not a problem? Lol I'm done with y'all and your victim mentality, boo.

[SirRexington]

Finally, someone in the middle with an understanding of human behavior. There are social constructs that hinder as individuals but being a man and naturally having a male oriented brain is real too and shouldn't be hated.

[Jager66]

It's just a part of the Feminist threat narrative, like all threat narrative it's rooted in hate and deception.

[Deuteros]

Calling half of humanity "toxic" may be a great way to start an argument, but it's a lousy way to start a discussion.

[Pyrofox]

I dont see a problem with it so long as its not abused by women and their addiction to abs. LMAO.

[Pineapple_Boy]

There is no such thing as toxic masculinity. It's a shaming term by feminist who need some sort of leverage over men.

[LogicBomber]

There is no such thing as "toxic Masculinity", feminism is toxic and they make up bullshit concepts like toxic masculinity.

[NerdInDenial]

People want to be the victim and until the incentives disappear for being a victim, the discrimination accusation will continue.

[Anonymous]

I think by “toxic masculinity” people usually mean societal acceptance of invasive aggression.

[Kiran04]

And yet no one in society accepts that. We demonize everything about men. The whole "people make excuses for men!" has always been horse shit. Everyone's always willing to throw men under the bus whenever tragedy strikes, but no one is ever willing to stand up for them. It's no wonder men act out in violent and anti-social ways when all of society is against them.

[Opinion Owner]

But wanting to end violent ideation is good for everyone. ESPECIALLY men, who are most likely to die in war, gang violence, etc.

[Opinion Owner]

Rich men exploit poor men - fighting in their wars & battling it out over scraps instead of collaborating to keep wages low. I don’t think women are necessarily better, though. Just less likely to be at the top of the food chain in wealth & power.

[Opinion Owner]

Toxic rage. Toxic hate. Toxic intolerance. Maybe better phrases. Though stats show men tend to endorse xenophobia & violence more.

[RaijuRainBird]

You are absolutely right. I’m currently working on a MyTake about exactly this topic. Stay tuned.

[Anonymous]

I largely agree with this. A lot of people go to far in their thinking and actions, as you pointed out.