Well I do not support sex being taken advantage because that's the main cause of unwanted pregnancy. How ever you're still in denial that there are actually women who get raped which is an issue.
And are you just gonna blame them for not taking responsibilities? That's one sided. Why would you care about something that can't talk, think or have feelings?
Always has to go back to that, rape. The women's favourite weapon as always. And if they took some responsibility on that front, it would not be much of an issue.
Just because they use "rape" as a weapon doesn't mean rape is invalid. Don't give me any reason but there are thousands of orphans out there if you're so against pro choice. Why don't you adopt one right now? Don't give me any reason.
Abortion shouldn't have excuses. Rape is not an excuse. If a girl is raped. And if she can abort. Its her decision we remain indifferent. I won't judge her.
Otherwise if you're having sex with consent and if you concieve. Then i dont support abortion in this case. I would obviously call her "irresponsible" and "insensitive".
Firstly, judging people is not bullshit. If you don't have judgement about what is right or wrong , then you're a dummy. You can't even love someone if you dont judge them properly. Having a judgement is extremely important. Besides it is human nature to judge and everybody must have their own judment.
Although the foetus can't think, it doesn't make it insignificant. A foetus or a baby is the sign of love between two people. How can you kill your own child? How can you run away from your responsibilities? Anyone who does that is "insensitive".
And I'm aware there are different kinds of judgement. Judgement for their own good AKA encouragement and Judgement because they just wanna throw it out there AKA discrimination.
Discrimination (= unfairness) is different and it is wrong. Its not only because of judgement. Discrimination is when you dont follow your righteous path due to biased opinion about someone. Discrimination is directly related to unfairness in providing benefits , love , rights, etc.
But you can't say that you discriminate against murderers by putting them in jail. You see, discrimination hapoens when you deserve something but you dont get it.
Unfair behaviour becomes right good or correct when it has valid reasons.
And do you think it's fair to call someone bullshit? The reason why judgmental freaks are called such is because they judge unfairly like discrimination. Just like calling someone gay for having long hair. It's judging someone for having it and not fair.
I didn't call anyone "bullshit". And many people like to keep long hairs. Its seen as a fashion. Normally long hairs are not criticized or judged either. If someone is doing it then he's abnormal.
I guess it happened to you. I can see your long hairs in your p. p. and they look good.
And i have been called "gay" and bullied by my classmates. I know how if feels when your closest people call you gay.
That is a different thing.
Having judgements is a different things.
I hate people who judge by looks. My teacher wore a traditional dress and my friend said that she looked like a "aunty". It shows that he looks down upon "aunties". I absolutely disliked his opinion. But i didn't say anything.
If you have proper judgement about yourselves then you can prevent your judgements from reflecting upon your behaviours. Its essential to follow righteous path, behave in a dignified way and to restrain your activities. Just dont loose your senses.
Sure you didn't call anyone bullshit. Just like this. For example if you're a feminist Men = Bullshit but you didn't call anyone bullshit. How would that not trigger men? That's just an example of what you're actually doing.
I'm a pro choice and you call pro choice bullshit. You're calling me bullshit. That statement screams butthurt. How about you don't lose your senses. That's a freedom of speech? Is that your idea? Then that doesn't mean no freedom of consequences.
I am a feminist. But i feel ashamed to call myself feminist because i am not a western feminist.
I am a feminist but i dont do all the stupid things that the people in western developed countries do.
I am a feminist but i dont act upon it.
I am basically aginst sexism. I live in a lesser developed country where some women are not allowed education, jobs, etc. So i am of the opinion that women should be allowed education, jobs and other opportunities. But i won't do stupid things under the name of feminism..
I am a feminist for valid reasons and i know the limits upto which women should be supported.
I won't support women beyond certain limits. So, i am just a feminist. A proud feminist. But i feel ashamed to say it because of the western feminazis who call themselves "feminists" . I have seen some videos of feminist women stripping nude in public. Its disgusting. I am not that kind of a feminist.
You're just trying to start a new argument here. And by the way you just explained something that's not feminism. Feminism is man hate which isn't justified anymore in the west. It is still man hate extreme or not.
Nope, i am not aginst men. Not even against gays or lgbt people.
I am agianst extreme liberals who normalise unacceptable behaviours like for example, stripping nude in public and having more that three sexual partners.
Dude , i made it clear that i dont hate men. Do you want me to justify all the bad things that some bad men do? If a women wants to work and if her husband doesn't allow her to work because her husband thinks a women should be confined to kitchen and laundry. isn't it unfair? Or tell me how is it fair? I just keep an opinion that her husband should give up foolish beliefs and let her work peacefully. This opinion makes me a feminist. You see, i dont hate her husband. Irs just a demand for fairness. You are the same person who was talking about discrimination. Now how do you not see any discrination in such cases.
Listen dude. Feminists are not man haters. The definition of feminist is different in well developed countries like America and the definition of feminism is different in the rest of the countries which are not well developed.
You should either understand the real meaning of feminism or stop talking about it.
Ignorant little fool, there are other countries in the world where women dont have freedom.
And as a man i understand your concerns. We do not intend to give them (women) absolute freedom.
We just want to give them little feeedom to work, which is a good thing. And they are asking for their rights. Everybody should have the right to do (good) things if they want. How would you feel if you are not allowed to work because your wife thinks you should be confined to the kitchen?
You fool. women should have fredom. But they should not have absolute freedom. They are not begging for it. They are "demanding" it.
Women in developed countries like America have been given absolute freedom with minor restrictions., which is not a good thing.
feminism is no longer needed in such developed countries. It cannot even exist in such countries.
From the way you're saying it it is known that You would never be understand it. Live with your misunderstandings. I dont care.
Oh, so you are putting youtube videos too. But i am a slow typer and i wouldn't be able to express my views clearly as i am not a native English speaker. And you're putting big things like long mytakes and youtube videos that would need explaination. So i give up.
Yeah , you should better call them "bad men" and not simply "men". I hate bad nen and not men as a whole. And i guess its normal to hate some category of people. I mean, you can't love a terrorist or a murderer.
And similarly, i hate "bad women" too.
I am not supporting anyone holding the banner "proud slut". Indsead i would shame on them.
See dude, its normal for everyone to hate some people who do such unacceptable things. That doesn't mean you would call everybody a hater. So stop trolling around and make some valuable points. I mean, dont eat shit.
I said men in that area you're talking about. Didn't you see? Even if there are good men in that place, they're still so welcome to use their men's rights. Taking them away is an act of misandry.
If i dont understand terms, i will use the dictionary.
Thats a good habit i developed while learning history. Ypu dont have to care about my ability to understand English..
I can't express myself in English as clearly as you do. And i am a slow typer. Thats just what i wanted to say. Either you're just trying to harass me or I guess you dont have the ability to understand people. So sad. You should learn behaving politely first. And develop some thinking skills.
"I said men in that area you're talking about. Didn't you see? " I saw. And i mean "bad guys" in our area. I also hate "bad girls" in any area. So i hate some bad men as well as some bad women. I am not a man hater. I hate "unfairness" .
"Even if there are good men in that place, they're still so welcome to use their men's rights." Yes they are welcome to use their rights and i would support them too. I willl support anyone irrespective of their gender, only if they are asking/demanding/requesting something that is for the well being and betterment of society as a whole.
" Taking them away is an act of misandry." sorry, but who is taking them away? We are just demanding fairness from some bad men. "It just means they deserve it for the oppressed women you're talking about. Are you done?" Excuse me? Deserve what? We dont intend to harm or punish them, "unless necessary". We are just explaining them that what theyre doing is unfair ( if it really is).
If you're going to continue the new topic or bring up new topic to avoid the first topic then i'm just going to have to delete your comment. Your new topics are not welcome here.
The eastern feminism is good and merely says that *" you should treat women better"* without demanding absolute freedom for women. Eastern feminism exists because it is needed. Eastern feminism preaches tolerance. it doesn't support women beyond certain limits.
Western feminism is "man hate". It asks for absolute freedom for women, which is invalid. It exists because of a bunch of misognistic people.(western feminists). Western feminism is not needed. Its utter bullshit.
And western feminism has created confusion among people because of people like you who are ignorant of good feminism in eastern countries. And i am not shocked to know that you dont understand it and that you want to understand it.
You keep this opinion because western feminists are doing misognistic acts under the name of "feminism" which is unacceptable.
Western feminism is unacceptable not only for you but also for me.
Look I can't believe I left this one. I'm not done with you yet. That still doesn't really make you truthful. Infact the history of feminism is an act of man hate in order for them to be equal with men. That's the reason behind the affirmation feminism is a man hate. Justified at some places but it's still man hate.
So yeah if you don't respect pro choice and judge us as a pro abortion then you pro lifers are supporting suicide. Same here. I'm a virgin for the record.
"I can already hear people talking about their feelings or religion. We don't need that here so set that aside. Anyways, lets begin." I said it before and I say it again
Even tho I know that they're not a part of their mom's body "The child it self can't decide if they wanna be born or not. Stop assuming all fetus wants to be born." Can't you read? You're just disagreeing with me because it's just what you believe. You don't give any reasons because you're comfortable with your own ignorance.
I really like how people attacks without any reason. I sense you're a sociopath and a waste of time. You're being an anon cuz you don't wanna embarrass yourself. I know you're gonna run out of logic.
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Basically just selfish millennial women who are snowflakes, spoilt and won't take responsibility.
Well I do not support sex being taken advantage because that's the main cause of unwanted pregnancy. How ever you're still in denial that there are actually women who get raped which is an issue.
And are you just gonna blame them for not taking responsibilities? That's one sided. Why would you care about something that can't talk, think or have feelings?
Always has to go back to that, rape. The women's favourite weapon as always. And if they took some responsibility on that front, it would not be much of an issue.
Just because they use "rape" as a weapon doesn't mean rape is invalid. Don't give me any reason but there are thousands of orphans out there if you're so against pro choice. Why don't you adopt one right now? Don't give me any reason.
Appreciate you defining this. Good Take.
Yeah, nice take
Nice take
Fair point
Interesting.
I agree
Pro choice = bullshit
Anons not stating reasons is bullshit. Set your feelings aside and explain.
I can sense more pro lifers butthurt of pro choicers than pro choicers butthurt of pro lifers
Abortion shouldn't have excuses. Rape is not an excuse.
If a girl is raped. And if she can abort. Its her decision we remain indifferent. I won't judge her.
Otherwise if you're having sex with consent and if you concieve. Then i dont support abortion in this case. I would obviously call her "irresponsible" and "insensitive".
And why so? Because feelings? As if that fetus can think, feel or say anything.
How about this. Judging people is more bullshit
Theyre free to do whatever they want. I Will mind my own business. I just dont support abortion when sex is consensual
Firstly, judging people is not bullshit. If you don't have judgement about what is right or wrong , then you're a dummy. You can't even love someone if you dont judge them properly. Having a judgement is extremely important. Besides it is human nature to judge and everybody must have their own judment.
Although the foetus can't think, it doesn't make it insignificant. A foetus or a baby is the sign of love between two people. How can you kill your own child? How can you run away from your responsibilities?
Anyone who does that is "insensitive".
And I'm aware there are different kinds of judgement. Judgement for their own good AKA encouragement and Judgement because they just wanna throw it out there AKA discrimination.
Discrimination (= unfairness) is different and it is wrong. Its not only because of judgement. Discrimination is when you dont follow your righteous path due to biased opinion about someone. Discrimination is directly related to unfairness in providing benefits , love , rights, etc.
But you can't say that you discriminate against murderers by putting them in jail. You see, discrimination hapoens when you deserve something but you dont get it.
Unfair behaviour becomes right good or correct when it has valid reasons.
And do you think it's fair to call someone bullshit? The reason why judgmental freaks are called such is because they judge unfairly like discrimination. Just like calling someone gay for having long hair. It's judging someone for having it and not fair.
I didn't call anyone "bullshit". And many people like to keep long hairs. Its seen as a fashion. Normally long hairs are not criticized or judged either. If someone is doing it then he's abnormal.
I guess it happened to you. I can see your long hairs in your p. p. and they look good.
And i have been called "gay" and bullied by my classmates. I know how if feels when your closest people call you gay.
That is a different thing.
Having judgements is a different things.
I hate people who judge by looks. My teacher wore a traditional dress and my friend said that she looked like a "aunty". It shows that he looks down upon "aunties". I absolutely disliked his opinion. But i didn't say anything.
If you have proper judgement about yourselves then you can prevent your judgements from reflecting upon your behaviours.
Its essential to follow righteous path, behave in a dignified way and to restrain your activities.
Just dont loose your senses.
Sure you didn't call anyone bullshit. Just like this. For example if you're a feminist Men = Bullshit but you didn't call anyone bullshit. How would that not trigger men? That's just an example of what you're actually doing.
I'm a pro choice and you call pro choice bullshit. You're calling me bullshit. That statement screams butthurt. How about you don't lose your senses. That's a freedom of speech? Is that your idea? Then that doesn't mean no freedom of consequences.
I am a feminist. But i feel ashamed to call myself feminist because i am not a western feminist.
I am a feminist but i dont do all the stupid things that the people in western developed countries do.
I am a feminist but i dont act upon it.
I am basically aginst sexism. I live in a lesser developed country where some women are not allowed education, jobs, etc.
So i am of the opinion that women should be allowed education, jobs and other opportunities. But i won't do stupid things under the name of feminism..
I am a feminist for valid reasons and i know the limits upto which women should be supported.
I won't support women beyond certain limits. So, i am just a feminist. A proud feminist. But i feel ashamed to say it because of the western feminazis who call themselves "feminists" . I have seen some videos of feminist women stripping nude in public. Its disgusting. I am not that kind of a feminist.
You're just trying to start a new argument here. And by the way you just explained something that's not feminism. Feminism is man hate which isn't justified anymore in the west. It is still man hate extreme or not.
Nope, i am not aginst men. Not even against gays or lgbt people.
I am agianst extreme liberals who normalise unacceptable behaviours like for example, stripping nude in public and having more that three sexual partners.
Sure you're a man hater but not to the extreme but that's what your country need then. If you don't hate men then don't call yourself a feminist.
Dude , i made it clear that i dont hate men. Do you want me to justify all the bad things that some bad men do? If a women wants to work and if her husband doesn't allow her to work because her husband thinks a women should be confined to kitchen and laundry.
isn't it unfair? Or tell me how is it fair?
I just keep an opinion that her husband should give up foolish beliefs and let her work peacefully.
This opinion makes me a feminist.
You see, i dont hate her husband. Irs just a demand for fairness. You are the same person who was talking about discrimination. Now how do you not see any discrination in such cases.
Listen dude. Feminists are not man haters. The definition of feminist is different in well developed countries like America and the definition of feminism is different in the rest of the countries which are not well developed.
You should either understand the real meaning of feminism or stop talking about it.
Why feminism Is Misandry ↗ More elaboration. I don't need that kind of argument.
"Real meaning" There are lots of "real meaning" Stick to the dictionary
Ignorant little fool, there are other countries in the world where women dont have freedom.
And as a man i understand your concerns. We do not intend to give them (women) absolute freedom.
We just want to give them little feeedom to work, which is a good thing. And they are asking for their rights. Everybody should have the right to do (good) things if they want.
How would you feel if you are not allowed to work because your wife thinks you should be confined to the kitchen?
You fool. women should have fredom. But they should not have absolute freedom. They are not begging for it. They are "demanding" it.
Women in developed countries like America have been given absolute freedom with minor restrictions., which is not a good thing.
feminism is no longer needed in such developed countries. It cannot even exist in such countries.
From the way you're saying it it is known that You would never be understand it. Live with your misunderstandings. I dont care.
If you want to understand the real meaning, you would understand it.
But you dont want to understand it. As i have said, ignorance is dangerous.
Three little kids ignored my advice in the train and what was the result? They died of train accident.
Even after telling them to protect their lives, they were foolish enough to ignore it
. Even a simple cell doesn't need to be told that it should try to protect itself in drastic conditions.
But we human beings, we have self consciousness, we ignore it. Why? Because we consider ourselves very smart. Thats the foolish part of our behaviour.
I couldnt see your mytake. I am a slow typer and i was busy in typing
And that's not my problem
Oh, so you are putting youtube videos too. But i am a slow typer and i wouldn't be able to express my views clearly as i am not a native English speaker. And you're putting big things like long mytakes and youtube videos that would need explaination. So i give up.
Sure you're not a feminist in the west. You're a feminist for those area where women are oppressed. it's justified that you hate men in that area.
Yeah , you should better call them "bad men" and not simply "men". I hate bad nen and not men as a whole. And i guess its normal to hate some category of people. I mean, you can't love a terrorist or a murderer.
And similarly, i hate "bad women" too.
I am not supporting anyone holding the banner "proud slut". Indsead i would shame on them.
See dude, its normal for everyone to hate some people who do such unacceptable things. That doesn't mean you would call everybody a hater.
So stop trolling around and make some valuable points.
I mean, dont eat shit.
I said men in that area you're talking about. Didn't you see? Even if there are good men in that place, they're still so welcome to use their men's rights. Taking them away is an act of misandry.
It just means they deserve it for the oppressed women you're talking about. Are you done?
If i dont understand terms, i will use the dictionary.
Thats a good habit i developed while learning history. Ypu dont have to care about my ability to understand English..
I can't express myself in English as clearly as you do. And i am a slow typer. Thats just what i wanted to say.
Either you're just trying to harass me or I guess you dont have the ability to understand people. So sad. You should learn behaving politely first. And develop some thinking skills.
But that don't really apply in the west.
And are you offended? That's not my problem you're here. You know this topic will be filled with something you don't wanna hear.
You started this argument and called me rude. I don't accept that claim.
"I said men in that area you're talking about. Didn't you see? "
I saw. And i mean "bad guys" in our area. I also hate "bad girls" in any area. So i hate some bad men as well as some bad women.
I am not a man hater. I hate "unfairness" .
"Even if there are good men in that place, they're still so welcome to use their men's rights."
Yes they are welcome to use their rights and i would support them too. I willl support anyone irrespective of their gender, only if they are asking/demanding/requesting something that is for the well being and betterment of society as a whole.
" Taking them away is an act of misandry." sorry, but who is taking them away? We are just demanding fairness from some bad men.
"It just means they deserve it for the oppressed women you're talking about. Are you done?"
Excuse me? Deserve what? We dont intend to harm or punish them, "unless necessary". We are just explaining them that what theyre doing is unfair ( if it really is).
And by the way, men and women can never be equal. Men will always lead. That's because male nature is dynamic. Women are static and its their problem.
In Today's World of Feminism ↗
visit this mytake and keep wondering how dumb you are.
It highlights the difference between western feminism and real feminism. They guy who posted it is real feminist.
I told you i don't need this kind of argument. Stop bringing it up there's nothing you can do to me me change my mind.
If you're going to continue the new topic or bring up new topic to avoid the first topic then i'm just going to have to delete your comment. Your new topics are not welcome here.
That's because you dont understand anything. Neither about abortions nor about feminism.
Learn to think better.
There are two different meanings of feminism.
The eastern feminism is good and merely says that *" you should treat women better"* without demanding absolute freedom for women. Eastern feminism exists because it is needed. Eastern feminism preaches tolerance. it doesn't support women beyond certain limits.
Western feminism is "man hate". It asks for absolute freedom for women, which is invalid. It exists because of a bunch of misognistic people.(western feminists). Western feminism is not needed. Its utter bullshit.
And western feminism has created confusion among people because of people like you who are ignorant of good feminism in eastern countries.
And i am not shocked to know that you dont understand it and that you want to understand it.
You keep this opinion because western feminists are doing misognistic acts under the name of "feminism" which is unacceptable.
Western feminism is unacceptable not only for you but also for me.
While living in the western world, dont ignore the rest of the world which is way too different.
Look I can't believe I left this one. I'm not done with you yet. That still doesn't really make you truthful. Infact the history of feminism is an act of man hate in order for them to be equal with men. That's the reason behind the affirmation feminism is a man hate. Justified at some places but it's still man hate.
But you keep saying they don't hate men. You don't see it because it's indirect and that's what you're trying to justify? Why don't you think more?
I'm pro-life
I have no freaking idea about it
Better just stay indifferent. It's non of our business.
Why such a reply? I didn't understand
I don't know. Why such opinion? The only way you didn't understand is that you didn't read.
If you don't want a baby, keep your legs closed.
Didn't you read the last sentence? You telling me to take that advice? And what if I told you, unwanted pregnancy can also happen because to rape.
Still not an excuse to murder your own child
So yeah here's an advice. Keep your dick in.
i'm a virgin
If you're all like "pro choice supports murder" I can also say you pro lifers supports hardship on women.
women who have non procreative sex deserve hardship
So yeah if you don't respect pro choice and judge us as a pro abortion then you pro lifers are supporting suicide. Same here. I'm a virgin for the record.
suicide? bruh what?
Not just one but 2 hardship. The mother and the child?
that is not suicide bruh
Ok why don't you have a child right now? Don't give me excuses. There are thousands of orphans out there
Young mothers who don't want children have a high risk of suicide and so does her child. That's a bigger issue
i don't have a woman to breed with, and i'm a broke college student, so no adoption agency would give me a kid
Such an excuse. Girls who get raped and have that as a reason to abort her child is what you always deny
"I can already hear people talking about their feelings or religion. We don't need that here so set that aside. Anyways, lets begin." I said it before and I say it again
It's not fair to the child to kill them because their father is a rapist
Why? Because feelings? I told you to set that aside
Lucky you you can't get pregnant
because prenatal infanticide is wrong
"but God said"... NO! God made a brain for us to think rationally.
You keep saying it's wrong without any explaination. That doesn't validate your argument
and women who get raped need to suck it up and have the kid. they can always give them up for adoption
If you really wanna talk about feelings then sure. You're heartless for making a woman suffer.
I believe "Always" isn't really true. It takes more than that to actually render her child to an orphanage
you're heartless for being okay with an innocent child dying
You cannot decide what women do to her body. The child it self can't decide if they wanna be born or not. Stop assuming all fetus wants to be born.
unborn children aren't part of their mother's body
Again I challenge you to prove how killing a fetus with out any rational thoughts is wrong.
because it's a human being
Even tho I know that they're not a part of their mom's body "The child it self can't decide if they wanna be born or not. Stop assuming all fetus wants to be born." Can't you read? You're just disagreeing with me because it's just what you believe. You don't give any reasons because you're comfortable with your own ignorance.
And? A human being who can't talk, think, feel, what else?
you're ignorant
There is a benefit about that abortion. There is no benefit keeping a baby you can't race.
there's no benefit to abortion
I really like how people attacks without any reason. I sense you're a sociopath and a waste of time. You're being an anon cuz you don't wanna embarrass yourself. I know you're gonna run out of logic.