Alternative view on Trump, his portrayal by the media, and "The Wall"

[Anonymous]

First I would like to state that I do not get into politics and I do not want any extremist responses. That said, I do believe there is a reason he is being slammed by the mainstream media and there is a reason he fanatically wants to build a wall between the U.S. and Mexico. I'm not claiming any of this as absolute truth but I think it's stuff that many people don't think about. For the record, I do not consider myself a Trump supporter.

1. Trump is the first president that was a billionaire before taking office.

No other president in the history of the United States has come close to having the equivalent amount of money either before or after taking office. Every president in recent history has had their campaign funded by the super-rich (Goldman Sachs & others). Since Trump is a billionaire, he wouldn't need any campaign funding and shouldn't want any bribery money. It's part of the reason some people voted for him because they believe he won't necessarily just be pushing the agenda of the super-rich like every other president.

2. I think everyone can agree that the mainstream media is biased at best and brainwashing/lies at worst.

Most people have lost faith in the mainstream media as has been shown by polls. The media is controlled by the super-rich and they have been using it to brainwash the masses in order to manipulate the world into accepting whatever changes they want to see, regardless of why. Perhaps they want Trump impeached because he does not agree or go along with their agenda, which is why he is constantly attacked by them in the media.

3. This is conspiracy theory territory but I ask that everyone at least entertains the idea.

I have long since heard (years before Trump ran for president) that the "globalist elites" (richest people in the world) have a vision that they want to eventually merge the entire world into essentially one nation with themselves in control. They allegedly want to merge the U.S., Canada, and Mexico into one nation as a starting point to make this happen. I'm sure Trump realizes this, especially since he is a billionaire himself who talks about conspiracies. Perhaps he disagrees with them and does not want to merge North America, and in attempt to stop it from happening has decided he wants to build a wall along the border of the U.S. and Mexico.

Please make responses as to the point as possible. No immaturity or name-calling.

[John_Doesnt]

Those are some alternative facts.

[madhatters4]

to your points
1. yes he may be a billionaire but it doesn't mean he's not concerned wtih making more money and doing what it takes to do that
2. yes news media is biased for the most part either in favor of trump or against him. i don't know why the picture is painted that all media is against trump
3. i don't buy that trump is some sort of real populist. he is an egoist and an opportunist. he will do what is best for him

[goaded]

As to 1, he also inherited nearly half a billion.

[Gothd011]

Look more so on your number two.

He doesn't help his self by twitting like a 14-year-old boy. . Unless your blind when the man talk he says shit that is offensive and just lies. Unless they in another zone

All bullshit pushed aside. His character doesn't help him one bit. And that to me speaks more volume despite the political standpoints.

When you can present a selfless man who isn't for "self"... only than can I even take politic serious.

[myTake Owner]

I agree but many people prefer someone who is outright rude over someone who just pretends to be nice. That was part of his appeal as well. All the presidents lied when it came to their campaign promises but the reasons are debatable.

[Gothd011]

I agree on both accounts. I also think the American people should be ashamed of themselves if they are to "scared" to speak their own minds. After all the government was supposed to be for the people by the people. As far as Trump goes... eh... some people just have a way of just being... too extra. That the nicest way I can say it.

[myTake Owner]

It seems pretty obvious by the amount of people who disagree with his sentiment that he does not represent the majority of Americans mindsets. The government was supposed to be for the people and that was supposed to be ruined when the government granted the Federal Reserve Bank the power to print currency and pull money out of their ass.

[Gothd011]

Sigh... where did we go wrong.

it just sad to watch my country be so simpleminded and separated by so many silly ideas and beliefs. My father served for this country. I am always proud to be an American. But I am appalled how these days everything that made America is now just dust in the wind and it holds no value it seems. It really seems so made up now.

[Miristheiss]

All you said basically is "I don't personally like him"

Who cares.

Is he getting stuff done? Is he doing stuff that is helping the country? That is all you need to comment on. Yes or no, on that point and what examples of yes or no?

[DanoMR98]

OP wanted a civil response, so I am going to refrain from calling him "alt-right" or a "crypto-fascist" for the sake of keeping the peace.

To anybody seeking to respond to OP, I only recommend ignoring him. Do not have a "debate" with the alt-right. They never act in good faith. If you'd like to read more about debating the alt-right, I'd suggest you take a look at this piece I wrote about it.

Rhetoric for Lefties: Dogwhistles and Bad Faith ↗

[myTake Owner]

guy says he's not going to call names then goes on to call them. ignores the first line in the article which clearly states i don't get into politics and am not a trump supporter. perfect example of why people think leftists are crazy. no i won't be reading anything you post.

[loveslongnails]

I can't see Trump as someone's willing puppet or part of a greater conspiracy. He could unwittingly be someone's puppet, but he's too much of an ego maniac to accept ANY role except the boss. And let's face it, he can't put 12 sentences together without falling all over himself, so he's no "New world order" leader. He's just a prick who cares about the wealthy and making money, and not much else. Oh wait, I just described most of the Senate leadership !

[RolandCuthbert]

1. We have no independent confirmation of how rich Trump is. Because he is the first President in modern times to not release his tax returns. The only person saying he is a billionaire is himself. No doubt he has gotten richer since he has been in office, so maybe he is one now. Who knows?

2. The mainstream media excuse has been running for the last several years before Trump took office. People want to blame something for their ills. The media was a good goat to blame everything on. Trump was smart here. But I don't know what to say about the nonsense of "Trump being impeached". We all know he won't be impeached. The Republicans hold the Senate and there is no scenario where Trump supporters will believe that Trump is guilty of wrongdoing. So why would you post something like that?

3. And you might as well post the conspiracy theory about the Global elites being Lizard Human hybrids also. That theory makes absolutely no sense at all.

[myTake Owner]

why doesn't the theory make sense? there is already a european union of 28 states all using the same currency. i have yet to see any reliable information that discredits the theory.

[RolandCuthbert]

Because it isn't based upon facts. Most people know why we have the European Union. A little thing called WWII. Only 80 million people died in that war. So forgive Europeans if they seem a little concerned about ethnic conflicts causing the end of mankind.

I mean, what is more plausible?

Its weird. I always thought human beings were on a march to become smarter and learn from the mistakes of the past. But perhaps not.

[myTake Owner]

we didn't need world war in the first place. if you look at the history of events that took place it started because of money. propaganda was used to make people accept going to war and there are so many holes in the official story it looks like swiss cheese. it's not surprising that history repeats itself. the indians understood time as cyclical and not linear.

[RolandCuthbert]

Its like you haven't even studied one thing about the root causes for the war.

The root cause was extreme nationalism.

Germany and Japan were the biggest culprits. But pretty much all European nations engaged in it in some fashion or another. The UK, the French, the Italians, etc.

Its like you don't know the United Nations was founded in 1945. Its like you don't the International Court of Justice was established in 1946. Or maybe you forgot the Universal Declaration of Human Rights was set down in 1948. And it is like you don't know why on earth these organizations would arise, declaring global standards for rights and freedoms. And a global court for settling disputes, etc.

It is like this whole globalism thing is something that happened overnight.

Nah dude, it started almost 70 years ago. And it arose out of a need to stop nations from going to war and endangering all of our futures. But you guys don't really think about the context. You are too wrapped up in conspiracies to actually think about the type of world you wish to live in. And how important it is that we have international norms and standards that need to be observed by everyone.

[myTake Owner]

i'm fully aware that the official narrative is that extreme nationalism was the root cause and not the byproduct of war. just like the official story of the war in the middle east was to stop terrorism instead of being about oil and money. just like the war on drugs was to save society instead of imprisoning political dissidents and making money. i guess after everyone is dead, there's no one left to fight.

[RolandCuthbert]

Yawn, you don't even address my points. You are the one who claims that Globalism is some new movement.

It isn't.

It is older than your parents.

[myTake Owner]

because i'm tired of the conversation honestly. you are the one claiming that i claim globalism is new. go ahead and quote where i said that, otherwise you are a lie.

[RolandCuthbert]

Whatever dude. Conspiracy mongers aren’t the type that like facts. But for those who are reading along, I just wanted to give the context and background. Globalism ain’t new. And since 80 million people died in a conflict fostered by extreme nationalism, folks thought it would be wise to focus more on what people have in common. You and yours dislike that.

I don’t know why you pretend this is so complicated.

[myTake Owner]

trust your government and its rulers. go back to sleep. history isn't written by people that won.

[dy8alexUk]

Litraly thousands cross border daily legaly and thousands try to cross ilegaly and they are happy to kill border guards. high fence would help overstretched border force. watch on YouTube lots on about it. Democrats want to scupper anything your President Donald Trump wants to do he has saved USA 100s of millions in lost revinew and will make USA great AGAIN get rid of democrats next election give Trump 100% control then USA will prosper not before

[Poormanscomedian]

I agree with first two, but I think he wants America #1 and to itself. You are talking about the one world new order that Bush Sr talked about. Yes the insiders from the swamp want one religion, one currency, and Government. The bible predicts that it will happen. President Trump can only delay it.

[myTake Owner]

the picture that bush painted was one of a peaceful and good place whereas the picture the bible paints is one where satan takes power and destruction runs rampant. not surprising since the government has been selling the public on the idea that war = peace for how many decades. it's interesting that the bible predicts the end times to start in 1914, literally the same year that the federal reserve bank opened and started printing money.

[Anonymous]

• Trump is facing 17 criminal investigations
• Trump was named as an unindicted co-conspirator in a federal felony
• He's told over 8000 lies in 2 years
• The former head of his campaign is in jail
• His former national security adviser is likely headed to jail
• 2 campaign advisors have plead guilty to crimes and are cooperating with prosecutors.

And your complaint is about media bias?

LMAO, you trump cultists are out of your minds with this alternate reality bullshit.

p. s. Point 2 is way off. the media has done a great job of exposing Trump's lies and corruption.

[myTake Owner]

did you miss the the first paragraph where i clearly stated that i am not a trump supporter? this is why i don't watch the news media, so i don't become a paranoid hate-filled biased moron.

[MarketData]

Well you're partly right but partly wrong. There is a global elite and they do control the world but they have no vested interest in merging all countries. They already control the world financially. Also some sections of the media ostensibly support Trump.

[0112358]

You don’t seem to understand how rich people do things at all.

Trump is the most financially controlled president in my lifetime.

[myTake Owner]

you're saying i don't understand yet i'm only stating objectively what others think. how many billionaires do you know which makes you so confident about understanding them?

[0112358]

I’ve met one or two. A friends grandfather in law is one.

I’ve met lots of real estate/pe managers.

If trump didn’t want to make more money he’d never have done 90% of the stuff he did. He inherited 100s of millions. He didn’t need to work. He -does- have a very strong desire to be viewed as a winner and big success.

Anyway thanks to his real estate and other businesses he’s -very- ties to foreign money. Whether you think it’s being used to influence say his policy with Russia and Saudi Arabia or not you can argue but the fact is they were backing him with billions before he ran for president, and he never unwound those relationships.

Nobody in the industry thinks he’s good which is why nobody domestic has invested with him in the past decade.

[myTake Owner]

as far as i can tell, it appears likely that he is a sociopath and the world rewards those people. money in general is the biggest fraud the world has ever known.

[jacquesvol]

globalist elites is now rightist code language for Jews.

Nevertheless, a good take!

[Anonymous]

Nooooo
Not another post about Trump again
I'd rather see a MyTake about Donald Duck lol 😂

[myTake Owner]

[Opinion Owner]

Hahaha 😂 😂

[Anonymous]

If the president was a Democrat president did the same things, the media would love him.

[Opinion Owner]

@madhatters4
Exactly. But at least when Obama wanted to stop illegal immigrants, he wasn't labeled a racist for it.

[madhatters4]

was his tactics, rhetoric EXACTLY the same as trumps? No. so we can't compare reactions the same way.

[Opinion Owner]

@madhatters4
I'm only comparing the biased media.

[madhatters4]

but you can't compare reactions or specific labels when the actions aren't the same.
it's a logical fallacy

[Opinion Owner]

@madhatters4
LOL Of course.

[madhatters4]

bush and clinton weren't called racist for deporting illegal immigrants. but if clinton, bush, or obama called those people rapists, drug dealers, diseased, etc, etc or labeled countries primarily occupied by people of certain colors "shit holes" and the media said nothing then perhaps we could have the conversation about differential treatment in regards to similar or identical actions

[Opinion Owner]

@madhatters4
You're so full of crap. lol

[Meoir34]

Interesting take thanks for sharing

[HereIbe]

You are not in the least bit alternative. You are a very typical brainwashed cultist who merely parrots the cult line.

[myTake Owner]

Speak for yourself.

[SketchForger]

Well okay then...

1.) He started his bus

[SketchForger]

Fuck...

Anyways

1.) He started his business from exuberant amounts of money from his father. He would even use his father's properties to market and appeal to his real estate investors. Giving him the ability to earn his revenue based on properties he didn't even own. Earning him 60% more revenue than he would have if he did not advertise his father's properties as his own.

2.) Usually the worst thing the "mainstream" media does is play Trumps speeches out of context. And even before that they would have entire shows dedicated to the entirety of clips from Donald trumps rallies. Most of Trumps actions are more self incriminating than they are spun to appear that way.

3.) I've heard this theory over and over again and it holds no actual validity, no matter how much benefit of doubt you place upon it.

He has clearly stated he has a problem with Illegal immigration, from Mexico specifically.

Globalism isn't about uniting countries, it's about spreading influence and support to allies. Globalist Elite don't exactly have a valid positive, and to imply that would mean there is something to gain from a bunch of left leaning leaders in a dark room with the illuminati symbol is laughable. And to assume there's some sort of secrets society based on little evidence and lax connections, give me a migraine.

[myTake Owner]

why do you say it holds no validity? we know that the world's rich and powerful meet together in secret, just research the bilderberg group. personally, i don't think it should be allowed without transparency. secret societies exist which is why we have the term in the first place. what goes on inside them is speculation because they are sworn to secrecy but we know that 4 presidents were members of skull & bones at yale.

[SketchForger]

"secret societies exist which is why we have the term in the first place. "

Murphy's law is not an explanation for political conspiracy.

[myTake Owner]

whatever helps you sleep at night. i personally will never trust world leaders or the super-rich since history has already proven them to be mass murderers and parasitic sociopaths.

[SketchForger]

Speculation for the sake of speculation is just paranoia.

[Blueeyes81]

*puts on my tinfoil hat.

[myTake Owner]

they want you to think tinfoil will keep you safe. better build an underground bunker.

[Secretgardenblood]

Nice take