Why the Trump Wall Matters!

[RationalMale]

This MyTake is going to be short and sweet. It's for anyone who doesn't see why the Wall matters and we are at such a critical point right now.

No, it will not actually stop all illegal immigration. Not even close. It's not the point, either.

The point of the Trump Wall is very simple--symbols matter, and moral victories matter.

Do you know why this story was so important for the media, about tear gassing mobs of Central Americans as they tried to break through the US border? Because the Media, and the Left, deep down, does not believe the American people have a right to exist. They don't believe the USA has a right to exist. They believe Central Americans, or Arabs, or Africans, have a moral right to settle the United States and control it.

The battle about the wall isn't about money, either. We already give billions of dollars in foreign aid every year. We already spend over half a trillion dollars on the military and defense every year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States

The Wall is simple, it's a battle between different nations in the USA.

If the Wall is built, then the European Americans have won a battle and declared that the United States does belong to Americans. It declares the USA has a right to control its borders, to make their own choices.

If the Wall is defeated, then the Africans, the hispanics, and the leftist whites have won. They will have won a victory declaring there is no American people--that anyone can be an American, and by extension, no one is actually an American. They will have won a victory declaring the USA belongs to the world and Americans have no more right to it than Hondurans or Mexicans or Kenyans or Chads, and that Americans have no moral right to prevent themselves from becoming a controlled minority as their home is settled by foreigners--in essence, throwing open the city gates and declaring that the residents have no claim on the city anymore than the invasion force does.

This is why fundraisers matter little. Why the pretend claims of budget concerns matter little. The issue of the Wall is whether there is an American people, and whether they have a moral right to exist.

While I personally would be glad to see it built, I don't think Americans have the willpower or stomach to forcefully say they have a right to exist, or a right to control their country. Violent civil war and ethnic cleansing, historically speaking, seems much more likely.

[Anonymous]

So many things wrong with this take. I'll just grab a couple and explain.

"The point of the Trump Wall is very simple--symbols matter, and moral victories matter." - Moral victory for whom? fivethirtyeight.com/.../ Less than half of all americans want the border wall. This wall would demoralize a majority of the country.

"Because the Media, and the Left, deep down, does not believe the American people have a right to exist. They don't believe the USA has a right to exist." - Where's your source on this? You literally made this up out of thin air. You're claiming that more than half of voting americans don't think American people have the right to exist? Do you understand how neurotic you come off as saying that?

"If the Wall is built, then the European Americans have won a battle and declared that the United States does belong to Americans. It declares the USA has a right to control its borders, to make their own choices.

If the Wall is defeated, then the Africans, the hispanics, and the leftist whites have won. They will have won a victory declaring there is no American people--that anyone can be an American, and by extension, no one is actually an American."

- Again where are you getting this crap? I like how you differentiate between white people on the right as "european americans" and white people on the left as "leftist whites" really shows your extremist bias.

So here's something for you. If you were any kind of American you'd know what's engraved on the Statute of Liberty

"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore." These people against the wall embody the American principles and values far more than you do.

[RationalMale]

Ahhh you're one of those ignorant people who think that a statue the french gave us and a poem someone wrote in 1883 is Sacred Law that Shall Never Be Gone Against.

Wait. You probably think the United States was began in 1880 on Ellis Island, don't you?

[Jackpot1977]

According a CNN poll? Hahahaha what a joke

[Sparda20xx]

Didn't Trump say that Mexico would pay for this? Wonder why that, didn't happen. Second most republicans talk about how they love the troops. The troops are government agents. Guess who isn't getting paid.

[RationalMale]

Hmm my brother is in the army and still is getting his paycheck...

[Sparda20xx]

Apparently he's the only one

[Logorithim]

Entire military gets paid during government shutdowns. I know this because I was serving when it was shut down once in the 1990s.

[Anonymous]

If we ever do get rid of all "illegal immigration" and armageddon strikes because we will have removed a significant part of our tax base and labor force, and republicans ironically will have to outsource more work or raise wages because Americans won't work under the same conditions that undocumented workers have to... I want all right wing, republicans to bear the extra tax burden of an America that has just ejected millions from the labor force. And if and when we would have to face the consequences of an aging society that ironically needs more immigrants, I want the tax burden to hit them the hardest as well. Of course, it won't happen that way because that would be too just. But for once I would like the heaviest consequences to fall solely on those who asked for it. These uneducated, backwoods idiots constantly cost so many people so much. Is it too late to let them secede from the union? Like damn, maybe we should evacuate all people of color from red states and just let them me happy on their own. We would not miss them.

[RationalMale]

You remind me of John McCain saying Americans wouldn't pick lettuce for $50 an hour.

[Opinion Owner]

I should remind you of how labor and taxes work but that may be asking too much.

[NerdInDenial]

So you want a slave labor... nice Mexican slaves for all

[Opinion Owner]

@NerdInDenial No, I don't want that and I think we should be paying them fair wages and giving them labor rights. still, ejecting millions from the labor force and tax base will have consequences, if we were to actually get rid of illegal immigrants living and working here. More to the point, most Americans are not looking for a lot of those jobs and we most likely wouldn't be able to fill them at a pace quick enough to make up for the loss of mass deportation. And we already have an issue with social security. Remove millions from the tax base that supports that, and what are you really doing for your country? Developed nations tend to have fewer births as well, so without immigration, that means fewer young people to replace jobs as older people step out of those positions, and a smaller economic force. Facts are facts. We need to resolve the treatment of undocumented workers but deporting all people here illegally would have massive consequences for American citizens. Dollars and cents, my friend.

[NerdInDenial]

That’s where automation comes in. A lot of these “undesirable” jobs can be taken care of by robotics or the wages would be increased to entice people to work those jobs. You do not replace your current population with people who do not want to be Americans. They are here to just use the system but do not really care about this country. They take more than they put into the system also.

[ChetAtkins]

Oh My God! Where do you people come from?
Have you ever heard of a "work visa?"
Apply for one, and then come here in a legal manner.
We have plenty enough killers in this country. We don't really need to import more.

[Ellie-V]

America was built on foreigners taking other people’s shit without asking, and now years later when karma comes slapping you in the face—y’all want to complain 😂😂😂

[Other_Tommy_Wiseau]

Man... life comes at ya fast 😂😂😂

[ladsin]

"Because the Media, and the Left, deep down, does not believe the American people have a right to exist. They don't believe the USA has a right to exist. They believe Central Americans, or Arabs, or Africans, have a moral right to settle the United States and control it." "Because the Media, and the Left, deep down, does not believe the American people have a right to exist."
Ah, so you plan on being incredibly hyperbolic. Gotcha. I agree with a fair amount of the ideas behind your comments (ie the battle over the wall is not financial), but think your other comments distract from your points. So I guess first we'll talk about where we agree. I agree that a physical barrier to entry would be effective although not entirely effective. I agree that the battle over the wall is a battle of the symbolism and not the actual costs. I also agree that the people arguing for open borders are tacitly arguing for the destruction of the sovereignty of the nation state.

I disagree with you on some other points though. Firstly, I don't think that the "left" is trying to argue that the white Americans should die off. This is an allegation that is typically used in the European nations where there is an ethnic relationship to the nation, as opposed to the US which is a nation founded and run by immigrants. Race should not be an issue when looking at migration. We should be assessing whether the immigrant in question would have a net positive or net negative impact on America, and if they will make our nation better then let them in. If they won't, then don't. It's pretty simple in my estimation.

[DJB72]

So much stupid.

First your images.

What does Gandalf riding with Pippin towards Gondor have to do with a president whose name means "fart" and his fear of everything?

Symbols do matter. Moral victories matter. But the son of a woman who would have been deported under his own policies - WITH HIM - shouldn't be throwing stones around in his glass house.

The "American people" are descendants of Europeans that slaughtered the Plains Tribes, Aztecs, Incas and anyone else that they deemed unworthy, then passed their prejudice onto their children aall the way down to you. Indigenous Central Americans are genetically more entitled to inherit North America than any European. African Americans are mostly descended from men and women forcibly torn from their homeland and sold as livestock.

There are not different "nations" in the USA because some support the Hitler of our time and some don't.

The Founding Fathers believed anyone could be an American. Lincoln solidified the thought with the Emancipation of the Slaves after the Civil War.

"Americans have no moral right to prevent themselves from becoming a controlled minority as their home is settled by foreigners" - you mean like the Sioux, Apache, etc 300 years ago?

You're the worst kind of hypocrite. You don't know your own history well enough to learn from the mistakes.

[OnitheWanderer]

Okay, now i don't know where to start and where to end. First, of all if i am to be honest 2016 presidential elections did not have the best candidates I wouldn't vote for Trump either Clinton on my eyes i deemed them both unworthy to hold the presidential title. With that been said, you considered Trump a great leader for protecting USA from Central and South America immigrants. Because you are afraid that America is becoming to multicultural and diverse. News flash, my friend America is a country based from immigrants. Also, according to true history of America, the "white americans" aka the European descendants stole it with from the true Americans the so called "Native Americans" by brute force, genocide etc. Also, according to a Forbes article your dear president owns taxes upto 2 billions dollars and his willing to delay public funding so, he could take more loan in order for him to finish the wall. So, are you willing to tell me that the completion if the wall is more important than the public workers paychecks or the teachers paychecks or the maintenance of keeping the streets cleans and schools working? Like think about it. He feed ignorant people like you with lies and promises in which he couldn't keep or would never achieve to keep especially saying that the wall Mexicans will pay for it. The ONLY thing I can say he did right is that there is an increase on economic growth. Nothing else. My friend I would really recommend you check your facts in depth. Also, about the money issue that amount they spend on military wouldn't it be more beneficial towards the country inner problems rather than the outwards "potential" problems? 🤔
Side note: I'm not an American but I'm just expressing my opinion on your matter.

[JustWorthlessMe]

Would any of the wall folks care if the country south of us was mostly white?

"If the Wall is defeated, then the Africans, the hispanics, and the leftist whites have won. They will have won a victory declaring there is no American people--that anyone can be an American,"

Your statement reveals your prejudice and, ironically, shows your mistake... The Statue of Liberty (remember her?) states that anyone CAN be an American... it doesn't say "whites only" .

"Americans have no moral right to prevent themselves from becoming a controlled minority as their home is settled by foreigners--in essence, throwing open the city gates and declaring that the residents have no claim on the city anymore than the invasion force does."

Stop pretending that you care about Americans... you care about white Americans. If the left-wingers made a big deal of wanting to stop immigrants from white countries in, you'd be OUTRAGED and saying the exact opposite of what you are now.

That's the transparent thing about your type... you love saying bigoted things but aren't quite man enough to own up to it. You use the same old plays from your playbook... deflect, project, and just spout the same old lies. Kind of like when the second wave of Confederate monuments was erected during the Civil Rights era, the intent was obvious but claims of "coincidence" were screamed by people like you

Of course, you'll do what your type does and attack in a weak attempt to blot out things you don't like but it won't matter. The folks here will read what I said and nothing you and your type say will change that... I won't even come back to read your response... I already know what you're going to say in your impotent attempt to discredit me.

[MyMintFrappe]

So much ignorance so little time. You make so many baseless assertions and provide empirical evidence to support literally anything you said other than military budget (really you could have used a government site for budget but you used wikipedia? Shows where your education level is at) and many americans believe we do need to reduce our military budget so I don't see how that helped your argument.

The irony of your name having rational in it. This was an incredibly irrational take.

[MyMintFrappe]

*don't provide empirical evidence

[Sparda20xx]

I agree so much ignorance

[KC1545]

This has got to be the most RACIST and IGNORANT post I’ve ever seen. Are you insecure? Those Central Americans and middle Eastern People are seeking REFUGE. I’m pretty sure they wouldn’t want to come here unless they had to, I know I wouldn’t come to a country if the majority were idiotic bums like you. As a Christian woman, denying people refuge because you don’t want a “multicultural” nation will send your racist behind right to hell. Good thing the United States is becoming more diverse. Soon the “multicultural” people will be the majority;) and guess what? The United States will still be THE UNITED STATES. Trump really got you losers all riled up for a wall.. Insecure racists.

[Rissyanne]

The police officer that was killed be that illegal criminal... his blood is on your hands.

[DanielTHAgreat]

@Rissyanne I'm pretty sure illegals aren't the only ones that killed a cop before

[Rissyanne]

@DanielTHAgreat they aren’t supposed to be here. Why are you defending criminals?

[KC1545]

@Rissyanne you are literally stereotyping them all as criminals. What’s wrong with you. Americans have killed cops too, it’s wrong but you can’t stereotype them all as criminals.

[Rissyanne]

Actually I can. They are breaking the law just by being in the country. That’s what ILLEGAL means.

[KC1545]

@Rissyanne ok first of all. It is NOT easy to get your citizenship here. Those people are literally suffering in their countries. Whether it’s war or famine, they want to get their families to a safer place. Have some empathy.

[Rissyanne]

I do have empathy... for American citizens. Stop prioritizing these illegals over American citizens. I don’t care how hard it is to come into this country. These illegals steal American citizens identity. They are criminals

[KC1545]

@Rissyanne bruh how do you even think that. I’m a natural born American citizen and I grew up around immigrants legal and illegal and natural born citizens from natural born parents. Literally no one has your mentality here. I probably grew up around more immigrants than you’ve ever been around in your whole life. Like my teacher said, it’s always the people that aren’t around immigrants that have the most negative opinions about them 🤷🏻‍♀️. Whatever, in a good 20 to 30 hopefully they’ll be more empathetic people in America.

[Rissyanne]

You just don’t get it. They are here ILLEGALLY! If you love them so much. Then you let them live in home. You don’t pay taxes so you just don’t understand

[KC1545]

@Rissyanne my dad pays taxes and he thinks EVERYTHING that’s happening with the immigrants is sickening. He’s around your age too 🤷🏻‍♀️.

[Rissyanne]

So... well then you and him need to take in a couple of the families. Don’t try and force other people to pay for them

[Bananaman177]

[Anonymous]

Old white uneducated Americans think a border wall will solve all of the problems in America because an orange faced carnival clown scared them with flat out lies. The old white people are looking for someone to blame because they were unsuccessful in life and are racist and think they failed because of immigration. Trump is a great cheap carnival barker that knows how to sell his snake oil to chumps in rural America. Too funny.

[Logorithim]

The racist here is clearly you, and, unsurprisingly, remaining anonymous. Then again, you're probably just reading from a script.

No one thinks the wall solves all problems in the US, but having open borders definitely solves no problems and causes many more.

[Opinion Owner]

@Logorithim You may have been brainwashed by Trump's lies about needing a border wall. He is an expert salesman at sounding like he is speaking truth. Older white people love his simple and blunt mean language against brown people.
I am not trying to sell myself here, so it does not matter my name and image. I am focusing on the conversation point--that is the importance here if you are unaware.
I am a white college educated American. I probably just scared you with that statement. I am only stating facts about the typical Trump supporter being older, white, uneducated, and live in rural areas of America (you probably fit most of that profile). I could care less if you agree or disagree with me. People like me are now stepping up and deciding Trump's fate--and his staying in office is NOT looking good. Now, please leave me alone.

[Stripes99]

Hey anon do you have a lock on your front door or maybe a fence? Take them off. In fact, put up a sign that says “free food”. See what happens.

[Opinion Owner]

@Stripes99 Are you afraid that immigrants coming here with nothing will do much better than you and leave you in the dust with their success? You are afraid of something and that must be it. Immigrants work harder and longer than lazy generational Americans--everyone knows that.

[Jackpot1977]

The wall does matter and people act like if you want the wall you went completely right wing on this issue but the truth is the Democrats used to want it the only reason they don't know if so it looks like Trump doesn't keep his promises no other reason

[Jackpot1977]

You can give me a thumbs down all you want the proof is right there in the footage of Obama, Hillary and Schumer saying how bad they wanted a wall.

[0112358]

They didn’t want a wall across the southern border.

They did vote for 700 miles of fence.

[Jackpot1977]

@0112358 the bottom line is they wanted to secure the border and now they don't simply because Trump wants to they are acting like children that is their logic Trump wants it it will make him look good to keep a campaign promise let's obstruct him

[0112358]

I didn’t downvote by the way.

There are a lot of people who do want a secure border but think the wall would be a stupid and incredibly wasteful approach. As many people have noted most illegal immigrants do NOT secretly slip in - most drive in claiming they’re just visiting, or arrive by flight. On top of that huge stretches of the us Mexico border are very difficult to cross right now and building roads to support a wall would make them easier to cross.

If the goal is securing the border there are better uses if the money. If the goal is to reduce illegal immigration there are probably even better opportunities not at the border.

However as OP notes, only the wall is a huge fuck you to non white immigrants and liberals.

[AngryNoctis]

I think I lost braincells reading this garbage. You're just as racist as that criminal Trump and his band of corrupt and shitty administration. Remember the white people you see today were immigrants at one time too you fucking waste of human life. People like you and the president AKA the stupidest moron alive hate what was once a good place to be. So in turn go fuck yourself and take your Trump dick sucking bias the fuck out of here. You slimy piece of walrus shit.

[Kemil_Zhoki]

The wall is a waste of money.

1. Ban anchor babies. That was the actual intent of the 14th's citizenship clause
2. Only count citizens and legal immigrants in the census. That will remove the incentive, the 5 of more extra House seats, for Leftist California to have open borders. Other states will also lose representation that they shouldn't have anyway.
3. Enforce the laws already on the books. Aiding and abetting illegal aliens is a felony. Punish sanctuary state legislators and executives to the full extent of the law.

[Deathraider]

Even if we got the divert the funds from the military and foreign aid to the wall, we'd still increase the national debt. I think both sides of the political spectrum can agree they don't want to pay for it. And it's not like Trump can force Mexico to pay for it.

Besides, even white people are not the original ones here. They came here from a foreign land. The people of America is not one constructed of natives, but of foreigners.

And besides there is a lot more useful endeavors with this money like solving climate change or improving the education system.

[Xangia]

Build the wall or start shooting them like most other countries. Y'all want to bitch about the cost but your fine paying more than that with all the sex and drug trafficking. I have seen the rape trees in Texas from the coyotes leading them over. There is a right and wrong way to come in and no-one is saying they can't come legally.

[dan111]

You destroyed your own argument in the first paragraph. If it doesn't serve a purpose other than symbolism then it's pointless. We don't live in ancient Egypt. Nobody is building pyramids anymore and symbolism without purpose (unless it's art) is not only pointless but a terrible waste of resources. The only reason anyone would want a wall at this stage is because they can't admit the whole idea is and was a joke.

[Dchrls78104]

On the one hand, I see xenophobia. This is what jumps at me the most from this take.
On the other hand, there's the issue of illegal immigrants smuggling themselves in and soaking up scarce resources without contributing anything meaningful.
The two issues come face to face in the take.
Sneaking yourself into someone's home is wrong just like stealing.
Xenophobia is just as wrong, is founded on hypocrisy, and cannot solve the problem of illegal immigration.

[AdmiralBailey]

I hope whites do take back our country #MAGA & #MAHA (make America hate again because America was better when we had axioms of hate)
Them Mexicans get more job opportunities and special treatment then blacks. I hope they all burn to death for all I care. African immigrants can kiss my ass too because they love talking shit.

America is for whites and a few negroes.

Trump is my president for life!
~Mr Bails Extraordinaire

[Anonymous]

I just voted yes on this earlier. Will you help Trump build a wall? ↗

[Anonymous]

You are so completely out of touch with reality.

People on the left don't want the wall because it's stupid, pointless, ineffective and a total waste of money.

Reich wingers want the wall because they're racist, brainwashed, xenophobes stupid enough to believe an applause line from a game show host president.

[Pink2000]

Trump sold a lie to a bunch of country bumpkins. That wall will never get built and Mexico is never gonna pay for it.

[Kemil_Zhoki]

Yes, everyone who didn't want to vote for Hillary "Extinction Level Event" Clinton is just an inbred hick. You might want to expand your circle beyond the Leftist Ghetto.

[Pink2000]

@Kemil_Zhoki that’s not what I said. You might want to learn how to read 😊

[Pink2000]

@Kemil_Zhoki he did sell a lie to a bunch of country bumpkins. How is that the same as saying everyone who voted for trump is a country bumpkin?

[DaMack999]

@Kemil you definitely right. I don't like Trump but hiliary n Obama sugar coated the world for us. It's time we get things in black and white. Clear.

[Anonymous]

I read a story and saw video of border agents saying that a border wall is not going to work and that other items needed to protect the border. Seems like they would know more about what is going to work.

[Stripes99]

Some border agents. Yet the majority of then support the wall.