Toxic masculinity and patriarchy: How the society dehumanizes men and turns them violent towards women! (Page 2)
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Nice "men are rotten and evil" collage you've constructed here. I see how you went with the everything in existence that's wrong angle. I kinda think it looks like a turtle playing a ukulele.
I will say that I've cried my whole life. It's never helped. Also, I'd rather die than sleep in a room without the AC on at least 70. I am hot all of the time, not cold.
The first part really is just some of the differences between men and women, men want to be independent, they don't break down and cry like women do because they're not as emotionally fragile (mostly because of how male friendships work in adolescence and beyond), men like to be problem solvers, they don't ask for help as quickly because they want to be the one who figured it out. The second part really sounds like a problem with the general culture of Pakistan and similar countries, it's not like that at all in the West.
To be honest, your Take is tl;dr but going by the negative reactions you're getting by dudes who couldn't have a serious discussion about masculinity even if their balls finally dropped... chances are good you said something at least halfway correct.
honour killings and female infanticide only happen to women.
Female infanticide only happens to women *by definition*.
Err, my bad. It only happens to females.
This has to do with culture in specific regions in the world.
As for the men crying thing. That has nothing to do with the "patriarchy". It has to do with women finding it unattractive. Masculinity is influenced by women and not other men. Eg women like "Bad boys" so men try to be bad boys.
female infanticide also happens because of patriarchy.
It is about consent. girls who want bad boys give their consent to allow them to become boyfriends. There is a difference between a naughty boyfriend and a rapist. One is given consent and the other is not.
And what will a woman-nay, a girl-ever know about being a man? About why we have to be masculine? If you're weak nobody values you. If you show gaps in your armor people note their location to stick a dagger in later. You speak softly and not a soul feels the weight of your words.
... but it seems most of your take is about 3rd world culture... which I don't understand why is relevant in the dialogue of Western culture and behavior.
Yeah, that sucks that your women can't wear shorts and all... but where I'm from they wear pants that show every wrinkle, cheek, and underwear with a big cameltoe while their boobs are almost falling out, nipples poking through their shirt.
hahahahahaha
female infanticide also happens because of patriarchy.
Toxic masculinity and patriarchy... to made up anti-male feminist words used to attack and shame the one sex that creates and maintains all things in the world that make their entitled narcissistic asshole lives comfortable.
Those who use the words and believe they are real things prove they have a mental disorder and are incapable of thinking past the mind of a child.
When was a man killed in the name of honour or shamed for giving birth to a daughter?
When was a pregnant woman forced to have a abortion just because she was expecting a son?
When did a man get arrested for not wearing the hijab?
That isn't toxic masculinity.
Being killed for protecting your family isn't toxic. Without the shit you consider toxic... we would not have the society we live in. Which is why the only societies 100% controlled by women are two tribes that still live in grass huts.
Being shamed for having a daughter is a nonsense cultural thing, NOT toxic masculinity.
Don't blame males for the bullshit ideas of one culture.
Also, the absolute shit society and beliefs of 3rd world religious idiots is not toxic masculinity, it's toxic bullshit religious nonsense.
Should we call women killing their children toxic femininity?
Should we call the abuse of the gynocentric society toxic femininity?
Where 13-40 year old women walk around almost naked without recourse and then shame males for taking attention?
How about the female abuse of the parental system and courts?
The paternity fraud?
The epidemic of female teachers having sex with children and not getting punished for it?
The absolute violence and abuse women get away with simply for being female?
All the bullying and violence of the bullshit feminist movement?
If you ask me, femininity is WAY more toxic than masculinity.
Women act like everything revolves around them. Just sit the fuck down mate. The world could give two less shit about what you think. We can be whatever we want. This “toxic masculinity” is bullshit. The last thing I want to hear is a woman telling me “how to be a MAN”. Nonsense.
have any opinion on female infanticide.
I do not get why men are so aggravated by this post, most of them are from the western culture and act like it is a personal attack on them for some reason. Yes, women also take part in shaming other women because they have been subjugated to such culture but that doesn't make them less opressed by male dominance, it is a circle from which it is extremely hard to escape if you live in a society like that...
I agree with you completely, patriarchy is the worst possible system... stupid gender roles, I blame the church, and all the Abrahamic religions in general.
They are the reason why I'm single and never been in a relationship... a virgin in my late 30s.
female infanticide also happens because of patriarchy.
I know, sad but true :(
If you want to do the comparisons, toxic femininity is much worse than toxic masculinity. Toxic femininity has murdered more humans from the face of this earth than all mass murderers, all tyrants, all rulers, and all wars combined since the beginning of mankind. And toxic femininity has sent millions of men to prisons can caused men to be murdered though false rape allegations. And toxic femininity has caused more men to commit suicide by stealing their children away from them and their rights to see their children while at the same time enslaving them via using their children and the system as tools IE a gun to men's heads with extortion via the system to do so.
Let's get the conversation started on toxic femininity.
You know, I had to stop at the "do men cry?" meme. Because that by itself proves that this isn't just a patriarchy thing. Women share a lot of responsibility in this. Ask how many girls, both here and irl how fast they would dump their boyfriend if they caught him crying once, twice or more.
Then ask how quickly and deeply they lose attraction to him when he cries.
Men don't hide their emotions for no reason.
I have never cried at a funeral, but then again I guess in the back of my mind, I figure that if you go to heaven after you die, you will meet up with your relatives and friends anyways.
From a biblical standpoint. King James Version bible that is, during the rapture when the dead rise from the grave, then the living and both go to heaven, it will be as if all that who have been asleep and came back to life no matter how long they have been dead and asleep rose all at the same time.
No. Lol. Not even close. You know what you get when you want to men "express themselves". You get that guy who cried during the Star Wars trailer. THAT'S men "expressing themselves". You get pussified weaklings who can't even handle the emotional burden of every day life. You're a total moron if you think men not showing emotions outwardly means men don't have emotions, but emotional control and balance is coveted trait Emotionally controlled and balanced men don't hit women, because we aren't ruled by our emotions like anger and rage. That's what your "expressive" men do. Emotions aren't a bottle that you have to release periodically. They're a wild mare to be tamed, and if you let it run amok it'll never become a horse you can ride.
I will speak against female infanticide, honour killings, domestic abuse, forced marriages, acid attacks, rapes and harassment.
@Shezadi The hell are you even talking about? None of that has anything to do with men "expressing" themselves. Honor killings are purely religiously motivated. Domestic abuse is more closely linked with individuals who were abused themselves when they were younger. Forced marriages is again, religious. Acid attacks. 3 guesses! Religious. Rape is more closely linked with sociopathy. And harassment is something everyone has to deal with.
Female infanticide, honour killings, domestic abuse and forced marriages have a connection with patriarchy and gender inequality.
@Shezadi Only in your head. And if you're against female infanticide does that also mean you're against abortion? If not, then you're a hypocrite.
An American will never understand what pain and struggles an Asian woman goes through.
@Shezadi I am Asian you jackass.
A Man will never understand the pain and struggles a woman goes through. I don't expect any sympathy from a Asian man, who have always oppressed women since the human race began. I am happy for foreign Asian girls who have legal rights to protect them from domestic abuse, forced marriages and their legal rights give them the right to marry whoever they want to and wear whatever they want to. You enjoy your freedom that will be a mirage for many women.
@Shezadi No matter how far you keep moving the goal post, nothing you say precludes me from having empathy or understanding. I can understand and I can empathize. You don't get to determine what I can or cannot understand or empathize with, and even under you own logic YOU, as a woman, cannot understand what I, as a man, can or cannot understand so your own argument is self defeating. Stop pretending you're special.
Those who try to break my self esteem are cowards.
Well written , this is NOT an attack on men of ALL creeds and cultures. Middle Eastern and most South Asian cultures are patriachial in the extreme , female infanticide from the Middle East through to
China and " hounour " killings are partly why there are nearly 10% more human males than females worldwide , the birth ratio is always male heavy naturally everywhere , this imbalance is bad for both genders
This sort of thing annoys me, I have had my bad times with women but never gone off one like you portray. Maybe because I was brought up in s female house and learnt to respect people mainly women. I don't see me was the master of the genders and just because I have a cock between my legs gives me any intitlement to bullie anyone most certainly not women. Some will say I am wrong but I think they should look how they treat people first before pointing the finger...
I will speak against female infanticide, honour killings, domestic abuse, forced marriages, acid attacks, rapes and harassment.
Yes men have piled up a lot of trouble against women. I wish I had the power to reverse these , men have this thing as if women have been here to do their bidding. It makes me so angry, ...
mind blowing take esp the Asian men point, it's all pointless to control another human being. I've this surfacing growing hatred for toxic masculinity, what is society tryna prove?
female infanticide also happens because of patriarchy. Pakistanis justified Asma Aziz being tortured just because she was a party girl. They troll Pakistani actresses for wearing short clothes. Honour killings, domestic abuse, forced marriages, acid attacks, rapes, harassment are a big problem in Pakistan but the bigger problem is shaming victims. Shaming women is the root cause of honour killings, domestic abuse, rapes and harassment. Islamic extremists think any woman who has her head uncovered or has a white skin, doesn't deserve respect. In Iran, non-Hijabis are attacked in public. Patriarchy gave birth to female infanticide, honour killings, domestic abuse and forced marriages.
Great, another woman trying to ladysplain to men what we think masculinity is and what she think's we're supposed to be like.
What are the tenets of toxic femininity? Is there such a thing?
This idea. To me, it is simply an attack on masculinity, itself. Not "toxic masculinity". Masculinity, in general. The American Psychological Association recently came out with a statement saying that 'Masculinity is a mental disorder.'
In a couple years from now, I'm guessing your perception will change to masculinity itself is a sin. "The only good man is a woman in a man's body."
This idea of yours. To me, it is toxic femininity. Very toxic. Claiming that men are defective women. That if only men behaved more like women, everything would be perfect. I don't believe that. I believe men need to be men. And that our fundamental nature is to protect and love women.
Men are not defective women. We are men.
honour killings and female infanticide only happen to women.
Okay. Most killings are of men, overall. And women kill babies and young children the most.
You're so focused on women, you don't see men or boy's suffering, at all. Or, it's likely that you will say "Well, that's because men ask for it." Or some shit like that, yeah? No judgement. I get it. But I feel you could benefit more by looking at things objectively. If humans are suffering, that's bad. It doesn't matter what they have between their legs. In my opinion. If you believe otherwise, that's cool, too. At least you're coming from compassion, on some level.
"At least you're coming from compassion, on some level."
yes
I think you'd enjoy reading Josette Sona's book: Are Men the Weaker Sex.
It touches on a lot of what you described here. Good take!
female infanticide also happens because of patriarchy. Pakistanis justified Asma Aziz being tortured just because she was a party girl. They troll Pakistani actresses for wearing short clothes. Honour killings, domestic abuse, forced marriages, acid attacks, rapes, harassment are a big problem in Pakistan but the bigger problem is shaming victims. Shaming women is the root cause of honour killings, domestic abuse, rapes and harassment. Islamic extremists think any woman who has her head uncovered or has a white skin, doesn't deserve respect. In Iran, non-Hijabis are attacked in public. Patriarchy gave birth to female infanticide, honour killings, domestic abuse and forced marriages.
Everyone cries except that men dont cry as much as women do. Yeah ill tell you one thing , a man who cries often and for flimsy reasons have no value between men, niether does a man who can't control emotional outburst. You dont see a lot of men crying as much as women. That is universal and not part of any patriarchal propaganda. No propaganda is strong enough to affect the wide majority of men dispersed across continents and cultures.