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1. The German Militaries 88

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"[American troops] knew that the greatest single weapon of the war, the atomic bomb excepted, was the German 88 mm flat-trajectory gun, which brought down thousands of bombers and tens of thousands of soldiers. The Allies had nothing as good, despite one of them designating itself the world's greatest industrial power.

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— Paul Fussell, 1989"

It started life as an anti-aircraft flak gun but the Condor legion in Spain quickly found use for it as a devastating Anti-tank, anti-vechile and anti-infantry weapon. During the battle of France it easily knocked out superior French heavy Char B1 and British Matilda 2 easily at range, later they would prove devastating against the k1 and superb T34 as well as American Shermans and Grants. In the anti-tank role they were devastating, the wermarct using sword and shield tactics waited for advancing allied tank forces to attack drawing them on to their long range 88s anti tank guns, wiping them out, then the Panzers would attack. An American tanker who survived losing three tanks wrote to Chrysler after V-E Day that "an 88 sure makes quick work of them. They go through them just like they were a piece of paper".This weapon and Wermarcht tactics were the major reason their tanks were so successful in battle despite often being inferior or mostly equal. Things got worse for the allies when designers decided to mount this weapon system on new tank designs such as the Tiger & Panther which cut a swath through allied tanks despite being badly out numbered. Who knows how many allied aircraft and tanks this fearsome weapon wiped out.

2.Sturmgewehr MP43&44

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Though produced in too few a number & too late in the war this first assault rifle made itself known and towards the end of the war allowed the Wermarct to hold the line. With its revolutionary intermediate round and high capacity 30 round magazine it was way ahead of anything allied forces had, even the m1 garrand. The assault rifle proved a valuable weapon, especially on the Eastern front, where it was first deployed. A properly trained soldier with a StG 44 had an improved tactical repertoire, in that he could effectively engage targets at longer ranges than with an MP 40, but be much more useful than the Kar 98k in close combat, as well as provide covering fire like a light machine gun. It was also found to be exceptionally reliable in extreme cold. The StG 44's rate of fire was 500 rpm. The US & Soviets would not have anything near as good up until the 60s with the AK47 & M16. It was stilled used post ww2 in limited numbers by US special forces, the French foreign legion, by West & East German soldiers and in the middle East. Few were produced and few survived. A cache of 5,000 were captured by Syrian rebels in the city of Aleppo in August in 2012. A few were known to be brought back by US soldiers, this is a classic rare antique weapon that sells for $40,000 each here in the US.

3. BF109

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This most produced fighter aircraft in history, with a total of 33,984 airframes produced from 1936 to April 1945 and for good reason, when it first went into mass production in 1937 it made every other fighter in service obsolete even fighters that were still on the drawing boards or had yet to go into production such as the P40 or the Hawker Hurricane. Serving with the Condor legion in Spain pitted against the best fighters the Soviet union and France had to offer often flown by experienced Soviet or French pilots, the BF109 tore them apart. The BF109 would only meet it's match against the British Spitfire in 1940 during the battle of Britain and even then it would still have the edge over it as a fighter at least for a time. In 1941 during operation Barbarossa the BF109 destroyed a huge number of 21,000 Soviet aircraft half of which were in air to air combat. Like most fighters designed in the prewar peace time of the 30s it was primarily designed as a short range high performance defensive fighter that would intercept high altitude enemy bomber aircraft and this is exactly what it excelled at. With two machine guns, two 20mm cannons and sometimes a 30mm cannon with the option to add rockets or cannon pods it was the bane of RAF bombers who were forced to fly at night or USAF B17s flying fortresses or B24 liberators who were easy prey for this warbird, it was statistically safer to be in the US army infantryman in ww2 than to be in a used bomber over Europe. The BF109 design was constantly updated during WW2 still remaining a competitive war machine despite the arrival of newer designs like fockerwulf 190 and me262, but eventually when in 1943 the British decided to put a Spitfire engine into a mustang they finally found they had a long range bomber capable of escorting bombers all the way to Germany and back and still dofight competitively with the BF109 the game was up. USAF aerial warfare tactics took time to develop to take full advantage rather than just escorting the bomber to and from the target the Mustangs would hunt the Luftwaffe in the air and on the ground. Waves of Mustangs would be sent out before a bomber wave to tempt Luftwaffe fighters up to fight, others would hit the Luftwaffe in the ground, others would escort the bombers to target then go looking for enemy fighters in the air and on the ground while another wave of Mustangs and shorter range fighters would escort the bombers home. The highest scoring fighter pilots in history all flew BF109s. The boyfriend 109 was flown by the three top-scoring German fighter aces of World War II, who claimed 928 victories among them while flying with Jagdgeschwader 52, mainly on the Eastern Front. The highest-scoring fighter ace of all time was Erich Hartmann, who flew the boyfriend 109 and was credited with 352 aerial victories. After the war the BF109 would remain service with other airforces like the spainish & finnish airforces for many years and even served with the Israeli airforce witj weapons supplied by the Soviet union to help them win their independence. It was probably the greatest fighter of WW2.

4. U-Boat

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The lethal U-boat was the weapon of choice for the Kriegsmarine to strangle the British Empire during the Battle of the Atlantic sinking vessels & convoys supplying Britain with war materials and food in "wolfpacks". With Americas entry into the war British invented sonar devices mass produced in US factory lines allowed for allied surface ships to better detect and sink U-boats, especially deadly were allied bombers equipped with sonar detection equipment and depths charges and Allied inteligence reading the Kriegsmarine enigma codes eventually the U-boats had nowhere to hide. Armed with their deadly torpedoes by the end of the war, although the U-boats had sunk 6,000 (3,500 merchant vessels) ships totalling 21 million GRT, the Allies had built over 38 million tons of new shipping, the allies winning this battle of attrition but it's no doubt their effectiveness in combating the allies war effort and you could argue they held back the liberation of Europe greatly.

5. V1 ballistic missile.

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This so called vengeance weapon was the Wermarcts response to the bombing of German cities in 1944 and Luftwaffes inability to strike back or defend German airspace as the war drew to a close. At peak, more than one hundred V-1s a day were fired at south-east England, 9,521 in total. With a warhead of 1,000 kg and inexpensive to produce the V1 was a cost effective weapon compared to Luftwaffe air attack, each one costing 1000 times less than a B17. With a jet engine flying at 400 mph and launched from mobile sites it was difficult for most allied fighters to intercept even newer RAF fighters such as the Hawker Tempest or the jet thr Gloucester Meteor had trouble keeping up to shoot them down. When it reached its target the jet engine simply shut down and the v1 glided to its target. Granted it only hit it's intended 25% of the time but that's at least as accurate as the B17.

6. Bismarck-class Battleship

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The Bismarck-class were a pair of Kriegsmarine battleships built in the mid 30s in response to the French navy's Richelieu-class battleships. When the Bismark and Tripitiz were completed they were the most powerful Battleships afloat (disputed with the Japanese battleships Yamato& Musashi ) displacing more than 41,000 metric tons (40,000 long tons) normally, they were armed with a battery of eight 38 cm (15 in) guns and were capable of a top speed of 30 knots (56 km/h; 35 mph), equipped with three FuMO 23 search radar sets, mounted on the forward and stern rangefinders and foretop. At the Battle of the Denmark Strait 24 May 1941 the famous Royal Navy Battlecruiser HMS Hood and the brand new battleship Prince of Wales were sent to intercept the Bismark and the heavy cruiser Prinz Eugen in an attempt to prevent them from breaking out into the North Atlantic to raid British merchant vessels, after an 8 minute battle HMS Hood exploded when a shell from the Bismark penetrated her deck and hit the cordite in her rear ammunition magazine, breaking the Hood's back, all three of her crew of 1,419 men with her. The HMS Prince of Wales laid smoke and fled, the Prinz Eugen was detached to commence commerce raiding leaving the Bismark alone to make for Saint-Nazaire for repairs. Prime Minister Winston Churchill ordered all warships in the area to join the pursuit of Bismarck. The British battleships HMS King George V and HMS Rodne, The aircraft carrier HMS Ark Royal, The heavy cruisers HMS Norfolk and HMS Dorsetshire, The light cruiser HMS Sheffield, destroyers HMS Cossack, HMS Sikh, HMS Zulu, HMS Maori, HMS Mashona, HMS Tartar, The Polish destroyer ORP Piorun were all sent to sink The Bismark. Two old Revenge-class battleships were ordered into the hunt Revenge, and kept in reserve with HMS Prince of Wales block Bismark's escape. Force H from Gibraltar with aircraft carrier HMS Ark Royal, the battlecruiser HMS Renown and the light cruiser HMS Sheffield was sent to engage Bismark also. On the 26th of May the Royal Navy with Swordfish from Ark Royal launched an attack damshing Bismark's rudder, On the morning of the 27th Battleships Rodney and King George V drew into range and began firing on Bismark with by the large guns of the British battleships, with the heavy cruisers Norfolk and Dorsetshire adding their firepower eventually putting the Bismark's guns out of action, Bismarck continued to fly her ensign and her engines were still working despite HMS Rodney firing at point blank range and King George V firing vertically to penetrate Bismark's. With no sign of surrender, despite the unequal struggle, the British were loath to leave Bismarck. Their fuel and shell supplies were low – a demonstration of how tough it was to sink a Bismark class battleship even in an unbalanced engagement. When it became obvious that their enemy could not reach port, Rodney, King George V and the destroyers were sent home. The Bismark's first officer ordered the ship to be scuttled and to abandon ship. The Tirpitz saw little action during WW2 instead acting in a strategic role as a "fleet in being", its mere presence in the Baltic and Norwegian waters was a threat to British shipping forcing the Royal Navy to dedicate significant warships to contain her. Many times the British tried to sink her with a daring by mini-sunmatines and unsuccessful large scale air raids by the by the RAF& Royal Navy. 12 November 1944 the RAF were finally able to sink the Tripitiz force of 32 Lancasters from Nos. 9 and 617 Squadrons dropped 29 Tallboys on the ship, with two direct hits and one near miss. It's a testament to how difficult this ship was to sink that the RAF had to resort to bunker buster bombs so large and powerful that only one could be carried by a single Heavy bomber like the Lancaster.

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7. Tiger Tank 1&2

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Tiger 1: This is one monster no allied soldier would want to encounter on the battlefield. This is the much feared Tiger Tank. Only 1,347 of this heavy tank were produced but it certainly earned it's reputation in terms of destruction of allied forces and the fear it spread otherwise known as Tiger fever. During Operation Barbarossa the Wermarct & SS tank divisions were shocked when they encountered Soviet tank designs like the Soviet T-34 medium and KV-1 heavy tanks which were better armoured and armed, German tanks had to get close to destroy one, though lucky for them Soviet tank crews were poorly trained and Soviet tank tactics were weak, mostly anti-tank 88s were used to take them out. In 1942 the British army first encountered the Tiger in North Africa where they quickly found their anti-tank guns were useless and the Tiger with its 88 out ranged any tanks they had and even their best armed and armoured American made M3 lees and M4 Shermans couldn't take on a Tiger 1 at almost any range. Against Allied forces it had a 10:1 kill ratio though this was not sufficient to hold back the sheer volume of Allied forces as Tigers were expensive to build. Only heavy anti-tank weapons, dedicated up gunned tanks or allied heavy tanks could match a Tiger, often Sherman drivers would havr to charge a Tiger hoping to get behind it to destroy it at point blank range where it's armour is weakest. Only the Soviet Iosif Stalin 2, United States M26 Pershing were comparable. SS Tank Ace Micheal Whittman on 13 June 1944 while in command of a Tiger I tank, Wittmann destroyed up to fourteen tanks and fifteen personnel carriers, along with two anti-tank guns of the British 7th armoured division, within the space of fifteen minutes. For his actions he was promoted to SS-Hauptsturmführer, and awarded the Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross with Oak Leaves and Swords.

King Tiger ( Tiger2) : This beast replaced the Tiger 1 and was the deadliest Tank of WW2 with the same thick armour of the Tiger1 but now incorporating it in a sloped design like the Soviet T34 and with an improved 88 anti tank gun. The 503rd equipped with Tiger 2s in the Hungarian theater of operations for 166 days in October 1944 accounted for at least 121 Soviet tanks, 244 anti-tank guns and artillery pieces, five aircraft and a train. This was set against the loss of 25 Tiger 2s.

8. Panzerfaust anti-tank rocket.

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This cheap disposable anti-tank weapon was the end of many tanks and soldiers too. It was simple to operate and even the untrained volunteers from the Hitler youth and Volkssturm could be taught to use it effectively and they made good use of them as the Russians smashed their way into Germany. When used against tanks, the Panzerfaust had an impressive beyond-armour effect. Compared to the Bazooka and the Panzerschreck, it made a larger hole and produced massive spalling that killed the crew and destroyed equipment. One informal test found that the Panzerfaust made an entry hole two and three-fourths inches in diameter (~7 cm), whereas the Panzerschreck made an entry hole at least one inch in diameter (~2.5 cm), and the Bazooka made an entry hole that was only a half-inch in diameter (~1.3 cm). The US Army's AT-4 copied the Panzerfaust to produce the same effect against modern main battle tanks. In 1944 34% of British tanks in Normandy were taken out by Panzerfausts and on the eastern from 74% of tank kills were from Panzerfausts. The US 82nd Airborne Division captured some Panzerfausts in Scilly and found them to be a superior weapon system compared to their bazookas, they even used them in operation Market Garden and during the Battle of the Buldge.

9. MG 34/42 ( AKA Hitler's buzzsaw)

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They called this Hilter's buzzsaw and firing 800–900 rounds per min its not hard to see why. This is the light & medium machine gun the Wermarct structured it's infantry tactics around and Allied armies had nothing comparable or as effective with the American BAR, British Bren gun, Lewis gun all being heavier, having a slower rate of fire, lower capacity and being heavier. It was much the same for their Vickers and Browning medium machine guns. The only way Allied forces were able to match their fire power was with the higher rate of fire of the US Garrand and British Lee Enfields as well as adding more light machine guns to companies. The Russians mostly just threw more men into the fire or with more submachine gun armed soldiers armed with the capable PP41s. Special training films were prepared for US soldiers to prepare them for the noise of the MG 33/42 to stop them crapping themselves whenever it fired. Heinrich Severloh a wermarch soldier stationed at Omaha beach on D-day while manning a MG42 is said to have killed possibly 2000 US soldiers. This was a superior design and this weapon system so good that it is still used today by the Bundeswehr as the MG 3 and Italian MG 42/59. It also spawned the Yugoslav nearly identical Zastava M53, Swiss MG 51 and SIG MG 710-3, Austrian MG 74, and the Spanish 5.56×45mm NATO Ameli light machine gun, and lent many design elements to the American M60 and Belgian MAG.

10. Luftwaffe guided anti-ship bombs

A. The Henschel Hs 293 was a World War 2 German anti-ship radio controlled glide bomb with a rocket engine slung underneath it. It was launched from a bomber at sufficient distance to keep the aircraft out of range of anti-aircraft fire, radio controlled by an observer over head in the bomber it was guided to a ship. It had quite a high success rate during the allied invasion of Sicily & italy With many ships sunk. It was also used to attack land targets such as bridges.

B. Fritz X

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A forerunners of modern anti-ship missiles and precision-guided weapons this anti-ship glide bomb with an armour piercing warhead, it had success against allied ships.

Note: By D-day allied forces had worked out how to jam these weapons, though the fact that the Luftwaffe was able to build such weapons and attack ships was a classified secret for decades.

....stay tuned for part 2.

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  • Waffles731
    Oh my god I found a wild wehraboo

    Let's go over this.
    1. Its just a Triple A gun
    2. Arguably the American M2 Carbine was a better Assault Rifle
    3. Its manueverability was a serious flaw and the soviets eventually realized it was too fast to the point where they threw a Machine Guns on a bunch of Crop Duster Biplanes and it was too fast to actually score a reliable kill and the Crop Dusters could eventually shoot it down.
    4. Everyone had fucking submarines, but it was only the German's who had to rely so hard on destruction of shipping lanes, as the only Allies the U. S had to supply in the Pacific were the Tough as Nails Australians and New Zealanders while we had to supply the British and the Soviets, and later the French and Italians.
    5. The V1 and V2 couldn't reliably hit their freaking target, the real innovation, that of launched rockets was useless at the time for actual warfare, rockets meant for london often fell in the countryside or into the sea.

    6. The first Bismarck was destroyed by the British in '41 the second in November of '44 Yeah real effective considering D-Day happened five months before.
    7. You saw how few Tigers they made, they were too resource heavy to actually make a dent in Allied Forces, furthermore, when a Tiger was destroyed almost all tankers were killed.
    You know what the safest tank to be in was? A Sherman, Sherman's were INCREDIBLY easy to leave when hit and on average only one crewman was killed per destroyed sherman, and not infrequently every one of the tankers got out alive, this was because of the Sherman's design. When a Tiger was destroyer its occupants were fucked, when a sherman was, its occupants could easily get the hell out and they were armed better with Tanker Garands, M1911A1's, and often a M3 Grease Gun the best rifle of the war, the best pistol ever made, and a decent Submachine gun.
    8. Hardly, The Bazooka was so effective that the Germans literally copied it and called it the Panzershreck
    9. Hardly at all the best Machine gun of the War, that goes to the still in service M2 Browning, the second is the Browning 1919, like with the M1911 German engineering has jack-shit on the genius of that Gunmaker from Utah.
    10. Yeah they were useful, then the Allies rendered them useless, and notice they couldn't fucking stop Operation Husky or Operation Avalanche.
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    • 1. A flak gun that killed more tanks than any anti tank gun in history.
      2. The m1/2 was a carbine for jeep drivers, it lacking hiting power and even full auto versions failed to kill at more than 50 yards, in other words there's a reason your m2 didn't replace the garrand or even the m14 instead of the m16.
      3. False, as demonstrated in the spainish civil war when the BF109 demolished your so called crop dusters. The BF109 reigned supreme over Soviet airspace up until 1944 when Soviets developed comparable aircraft and tactics that allowed them to go tow to tow with the BF109. As seen at the start of babrossa and the spainish civil war Soviet aircraft were outclassed.
      4. The Germans weren't "relying" on destroying merchant shipping, its was total war and an effective cost efficient way of attacking their enemy's supply lines and war materials as well as tying down naval and air assets. Without the U-boat D-day would have happened in 1943. If you wanted to mention that other countries had subs why didn't you mention US subs devastating effect on the Japanese shipping basically cropping Japanese war production.
      The British supplied themselves paid for with loans, gold and thrir latest technology like radar and jet engines. Supplying the Soviets was about keeping them fighting, it was strategic more than anything.
      5. The B17 with its norden bomb site was advertised as being able to hit to put a bomb into a pickle barrel at 3000ft but the truth was it only hit it's target 31% couple that to the fact bombers often got shot down or crashed on take off before reaching a target along with the price and training of the aircraft and crew and you see how effective the v1 was as a fire and forget weapon when all the 8th airforce could do was area bomb cities to destroy German industries. The V2 was a revolutionary but too expensive and was a waste of resources which is why I never mentioned it.

    • 6. Tigers had a 10-1 kill ratio nuff said, no other tank had a kill rate that high at the time and only two mk1v could be build for a single tiger. The Sherman's were no safer than any tank, the Germans used to call them Tommy cookers when the British first started using them because when they got hit (usually by an 88 anti tank gun) they caught fire, they were also known as Ronsons (because "it lights the first time, every time") or zippos after the cigarette lighter. The Sherman did well in the Korean war against the T34 due to the ammunition it used and experienced tank crews.
      7. Very effective because it tied down massive amounts of allied resources, a whole fleet of at least 2-6 RN& USN battleships in fact waiting for the Tirpitz to come out, those are ships that didn't serve in the mediterean or Pacific that were needed. The Royal Navy couldn't send an aircraft carrier to the Pacific to fight or protect the Prince of Wales and Repulse from air attack. The sheer number of airfleets, resources and ships tied up by one ship the Tirpitz was huge. D-day was protected by 7 battleships, 6 heavy cruisers, 19 light cruisers, 70 destroyers and escorts and other vessels. The Tripitiz was damaged before D-day and under repair and the allies knew this, there was probably a few battleships tied up in reserve in case Tirpitz tried to slip away.

    • 8. The Germans copied the bazooka and made it more powerful, plus the cheap Panzerfaust was a better anti tank weapon unless you are arguing with the 82nd airborne?
      9. Best light or medium machine gun. The M2 Browning is a heavy machine gun thst needs to be mounted on a vechile, aircraft, ship or heavy defensive emplacement. Believe me it's heavy not suited to an infantry role.
      10. They were useful, so useful they remained a secret for decades.

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  • OlderAndWiser
    I assume that you will have an installment dedicated to the weapons of the Allied forces. This was very informative and makes me appreciate even more the monumental effort of the Allied forces in overcoming the technological advantages of the Third Reich.
    Is this still revelant?
    • The good ones. The Wermarct had a lot of crap equipment too ie boots.

    • Krosskort

      I hope so too! History is all about looking at both sides.

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  • DeeDeeDeVour
    Since your take is giving credit to the German systems of WW2, I will add that both the Bismarck her sister ship, the Tirpitz, were each a sight to behold. It's unfortunate that the Tirpitz turned out to be of very little use. Both Axis ships' shear size & capabilities were, however, overshadowed by the awesome Yamato & Musashi duo built by Germany's Axis ally in the Pacific, Japan.

    Meanwhile, I always admired the wing design of Germany's Junkers Ju 87 'Stuka' as I looked at the models my brothers assembled. The Stuka's wings also remind me of another WW2 aircraft with smiliar-looking wings, the Vought F4U 'Corsair' of the Americans.
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    • Enjoyed studying history & learning about WW2 events & battles.

    • The Tripitiz was of great use, as one ship it formed a fleet in being meaning the British and later the Americans always had to hold back a fleet of battleships, aircraft carriers, cruisers, destroyers to contain her as well as bomber squadrons and inteligence operations, that's ships and aircraft that were not escorting merchant convoys, fighting in the mediterean or in the pacfic. The allies tried at least ten times to sink her in costly operations. Tying up these allied resources was worth more than the Tirpitz could ever possibly sink.
      In naval warfare, a "fleet in being" is a naval force that extends a controlling influence without ever leaving port. Were the fleet to leave port and face the enemy, it might lose in battle and no longer influence the enemy's actions, but while it remains safely in port, the enemy is forced to continually deploy forces to guard against it. A "fleet in being" can be part of a sea denial doctrine, but not one of sea control.

      Sounds were great when the Germans had air superiority but we're slow and carried only one of maybe 2 bombs, the corsair on the other hand was a world beating fighter and possibly the best propeller fighter in history that was also a fighter bomber, it could fight and carried more bombs than a stuka.
      The Japanese battleships Yamato and Musashi were larger with bigger guns but unlike the Bismark and Tirpitz or American and British ships didn't have radar contoled gunnery which meant they could be hit first and more accurately even in poor visibility or at night. Yamato and Musashi were sunk by bombers and torpedoes from aircraft carriers yet the Bismark was so tough that it was still afloat after constant air attacks and attacks from two and heavy cruisers. The Tirpitz was only sunk when Lancaster heavy bombers dropped bunker busters on it.

    • markscott

      DeeDee: Though the Stuka was a nice looking plane, and wrecked a lot havoc, it was actually an outdated design. Too slow, and with a fixed wing.

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  • The_White_Queen
    What no spitfire?
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    • Waffles731

      That's what you get when dealing with a wehraboo

    • October808

      @Waffles731 The Hurricane was the better aircraft. They even had a debate about this on Grand Tour. The spitfire was described as a milk crate. And after playing it in sims I have to agree. The ME-109 is the best German fighter. The Mustang P-51D was the best US fighter plane able to hit ceilings no other plane could hit. They also took on German rocket planes and shot them down using amazing aerial tactics (seen in Battlestar Galactica).

    • @October808 they took on German rocket planes and jets by hitting them on take off or landing

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  • ADFSDF1996
    Let’s not forget the Walther P38 which would inspire the design of the Berreta M9 series.
    • I feel the m1911 & Browning high power were much better, which is why both were used right up until the 80s by the US and UK militaries and continued on my special operations forces like the SAS and Delta. The 1911 was in service for maybe 60-70 years, over 100 if you count special operations forces that still used them. Same as the hi-power with NATO forces only starting to replace theirs in the mid 90s with glocks, hks and SIGs
      The Wermarct actually used versions of these to great effect.
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  • Hans222
    For me, the P-51 Mustang: that wing was so good it could do more with the same engine power.
    And, it had the flight range to excort the heavy bombers as far as Berlin, meaning the losses decreased by a lot.
    Moreover, on the way home the Mustangs could often use their remaining ammo on targets of opportunity like German military trains. They gave the ennemi a beating in the last year of the war.
    • They did give them a beating after changing tactics form just escorting bombers to being set loose to hunt enemy aircraft in the air and on the ground.

  • broncobryan
    Best airplane of world war 2 the p51 mustang. Best rifle of world war 2 the m1 garand and the 1903 sprigfield. Best battleship of world war 2 the uss Missouri and her sister ships. Best overall weapon system of world war 2 is hands down the American industrial might. We could make and build 200 sherman tanks and have them delivered to the front lines before germany could build 1 tiger tank.
    • The best aircraft is hard to define as they had different roles. Best bomber B29, best transport C47. Best naval fighter USN corsair. The P51 was the best bomber escort fighter.
      Chief Naval Test Pilot and C. O. Captured Enemy Aircraft Flight Capt. Eric Brown, CBE, DSC, AFC, RN, tested the Mustang at RAE Farnborough in March 1944 and noted, "The Mustang was a good fighter and the best escort due to its incredible range, make no mistake about it. It was also the best American dogfighter. But the laminar-flow wing fitted to the Mustang could be a little tricky. It could not by any means out-turn a Spitfire. No way. It had a good rate-of-roll, better than the Spitfire, so I would say the plusses to the Spitfire and the Mustang just about equate. If I were in a dogfight, I'd prefer to be flying the Spitfire. The problem was I wouldn't like to be in a dogfight near Berlin, because I could never get home to Britain in a Spitfire!"
      The Iowa class battleships were treaty ships but had heavier longer range guns and better radar gunnery control, the Bismark class was tougher.
      America could probably build 30 Pershings for every Tiger.
      But when considering the capabilities of German industry during ww2 you got to look at the fact that they suffered severe shortages of war materials through the war and had to invent new ways of doing things. Even after the 8th airforce levelled factories production went on. After the war the US sent experts to examine how German industry just kept going. Nazi Albert Speer was even brought to the US.
      The M1903 was a good rifle design but there was quality problems with some built during and before ww2. The M1917 American Enfield is a far better rifle, the Springfield has a low capacity and has the same drawbacks as the German 98k who's bolt action design Springfield had to pay royalties for. The Garrand is good and I have two myself but if your going to war as a soldier you reach for an m16, AK47 or if your a German soldier an MP43/44.

    • Agreed, best bomber escort. Best fighter/bomber dehavelin mosquito. Best fighter me109.

  • Alex_988_2
    I think the best weapon would be...

    My thick cock.. can destroy any hole lol
    And the article was soooo long that I'm guessing you like long stuff (that was for only humour nothing sexual I'm legit straight😓)
    • ... to late, prepare to be sodomized within an inch of your life lol

  • "Best" weapon systems, yay... as though mass death and violence is something to be lauded and sought after. Great.
    • Agreed it was great.

    • ... sigh.

    • Celtero

      Quit your virtue signaling. You don't have to applaud the destruction to marvel at the technological ingenuity.

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  • DevilsAdvocator
    Wow. You know, reading this, the first thing that came to mind was this guy: Wehrboo to the core- ranting and ranting, on and on, about how superior and 'manly' pieces of old military hardware were, solely on the grounds that they were produced by Nazi Germany. And my response'd be pretty much exactly the same as hers.
    "Say hi to the Fuhrer for me, would ya?" BANG
  • AustinMan
    I agree with you generally but I am convicted that the P-51D is the best prop fighter ever made. It was so versatile and had such a long escort range that it was the secret sauce that made the B-17 raids really effective and efficient. Before it came online we were losing 25% of our bombers every mission.
    • The boyfriend 109s war record speaks for itself. Some say the P47 thunderbolt or F4U Corsair was superior, some say the later griffon powered spitfires, the Hawker fury or tempest, some say the Fw190

  • blutwolfe
    yeah some of the first hand accounts of allied soldiers tells the stories. Truly terrifying in that age. I used to listen to the mighty jingles in the background, he'd definitely talk about some interesting accounts and stuff to read.

  • sheepdip
    Why is the t34 not on here? Like really?

    In a lighter note, the daft new Zealand tank needed an honourable mention.
    • T34 was the equivalent of the Sherman. The two met in korea

  • Physics-Man
    My favorite WWII weapons systems were the FG-42, MP-40, STG-44, M1 Garand, M1 Bazooka, and Panzerschreck.
    • I'm a big fan of the garrand myself, Lee enfield, 98k and moron nagant. I actually would chose the Russian PPS 41 over the mp40, its so good the Germans 'reused captured examples.

  • Passinggas
    Well your knowledge in this far exceeds mine and I do think the water-cooled Spitfire (@The_White_Queen) was a superior plane. I have had one buzz by over the field which is an almost spiritual experience at over 200mph. However, the Enigma Machine is the most intriguing to me because I believe it was their greatest weapon initially and their greatest defeat. And, of course we can thank a Polish inventor, Turing, and BP team for that defeat.
    • Well there's great debate over the spitfire vs BF109 both continued to be developed over the course of the war and newer models of both planes gained the edge over each other but at the battle of Britain the BF109 was the superior machine.

  • angecandy
    Nuclear bombs?
    And also, wasn't the first computer created in german?
  • spartan55
    Great stuff, thanks for posting this! I love WW II history!
  • monkeynutts
    Very comprehensive, thanks for the read. Look forward to reading more.
  • Kezzz
    I think the subs were the most ingenious inventions during the WW. Fascinating at that time
    BF109? lol
  • Kiran_Yagami
    The Bismark? Before WWII even started, battleships were obsolete. All major naval engagements were between carriers, and U. S. carriers literally blew everyone else out of the water. The Bismark was a fancy skirmisher that ran hit and run on enemy supply lines, but she was ultimately inconsequential to the war. And you also missed the only semi-automatic infantry rifle during the entire war, the M1 Garand. Everyone else was still using bolt action rifles, which were easily out gunned against semi-auto, 30-06 goodness.
    • Wrong about the Bismark and Tirpitz, they held down fleets of allied warships including carriers. Carriers aircraft from 4 carriers launched 7 air raids against the Tirpitz and could sink her, in the end it took a squadron of heavy land based bombers with giant bunker buster bombs to sink her. The Bismark was still afloat after constant air attack by carriers. Carriers may have replaced battleships as the preeminent warship on the waves but they still required a huge fleet of destroyers, cruisers and battleships to protect them. The sharnhorst sank a carrier, the Americans lost a lot of carriers to submarines.
      The Germans had the Gewehr 41& 43 which was a semi-auto but they sucked. They had FG42 Which can be classed as an Automatic rifle, Battle rifle and light machine gun. Of course they had the Sturmgewehr MP43&44 which is a superior weapon to the garrand which is why the US army uses m16 variants today and not the garrand. The Soviets had the SVT-40 which was a semi-auto. The difference being that the US had the numbers for ever soldier which made up for in the deficiencies of the BAR. The marines were still using the Springfield in 1942, the US also produced large numbers of the Johnston 42 semi automatic rifle and the marines used them for a time as did the Dutch, it was also used in the bay of pigs.
      Best Weapon Systems of WW2 (Part 1)✌

    • Wrong about the Bismark and the Tirpitz. They didn't hold down fleets. The Bismark survived only one battle in which it scored a lucky hit on the HMS Hood's magazine and sank her, but after that her days were numbered. After being crippled by a fighter she was ran down until the crew was forced to scuttle her. Battleships were always obsolete in WWII. Their one and only fear was U-Boats, which could be found and sank by much smaller destroyers. STG 44's barely saw service. The German's were already losing the war badly at that point and couldn't get enough raw materials to make them. Same with Tiger IIs. They didn't have any fuel to run them and both Tiger generations were wearisomely maintenance heavy. They spent just as much time being fixed as they did in combat. The marines are always a generation behind with their duty rifles. They get army hand-me-downs.

    • It's well documented thst strategically the British considered the Bismark& Tirpitz a "fleet in being" and later so did the US navy. The Tirpitz held down a fleet of 3-6 battleships, 1-7 aircraft carriers, 4-5 heavy cruisers, 8-10 cruisers, 40 destroyers, 8 submarines and multiple torpedo boats stationed at scrapa flow waiting in case the Tirpitz came out from 1939-1944 when the Tirpitz was finally sunk. Battleships were not obsolete, they were needed to protect carriers from other battleships, like how the aircraft carrier HMS Glorious was sunk by the battleship Sharnhorst or when the Yamato sunk the USS Gambier Bay which it was able to do because it's USN battleships had left it in pursuit of a Japanese diversion. The USN built fast battleships to keep up with the carriers to protect them like the Iowa class battleships. Battleships also provided sea to shore artillery bombardment (20 miles inland) covering amphibious landings. Far from obsolete and ww2 carriers were vulnerable to surface and submarine attack. The Bismark didn't score a lucky hit against the hood, the hood was a ww1 design that was in need of refitting and as a ww1 Battlecruiser was no march for a modern battleship. That lucky hit you describe was a common occurrence on British Battlecruisers and related to a design flaw and bad cordite storage practice and safety measures that dates from ww1. In theory HMS Hood& new battleship HMS Prince of Wales should have been more than a match for bismark and her escort heavy cruiser Prinz Eugen but Good was easily sunk and has Prince of Wales retreated with heavy damage.

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  • PrettyRegular
    Looks cool. I actually think the guns haven't changed too much since WW2. I might be wrong.
    • Celtero

      They've changed a great deal. There weren't many automatic weapons that fired rifle cartridges back then.

    • @Celtero the Bar, Bren gun, Lewis gun, m1941, Johnson machine gun, fg42 and most machine guns fired common rifle cartridges.

    • Celtero

      Yeah, I'm not saying they didn't exist, but the average footsoldier wasn't equipped with a machinegun. These days everybody has an automatic magazine-fed rifle.

  • YHL6965
    The Wehrmacht had amazing tools at their disposal, but one thing that made them fierce were their very modern and advanced tactics. The blitzkrieg is a great example of that, but you could also mention their squad design with most men having Kar98k and a light machinegun per squad. Germans were ahead of their time when it comes to tactics and equipment but lack of ressources was their downfall. Sure things like the Tiger or the STG44 were great, but they were terribly costly. I think it was also the main weakness of their tanks, the sheer fuel consumption needed to move these behemoths.

    I also love the creativity Germans had at the very end of WWII, spawning odd machines like the Ba 349 Natter or the Horten Ho 229.
    • Well the StG 44 cost roughly $26 to produce while the Garrand cost $85 per rifle. The StG 44 cost wouldn't have been an issue if produced before 1943 the real problem was they just couldn't produce enough of them or the intermediate 7.92 round to arm every soldier, but even a single one in a squad greatly added to its combined firepower. There was many incidences towards the end of a few Wermarct or SS troops armed the StG holding off vastly superior numbers of Soviet troops in urban warfare or in the Austrian mountains.
      The Tiger had a 10-1 kill ratio and the Tiger I cost over twice as much as a Panzer IV and four times as much as a StuG III assault gun, destroying at least 10,300 enemy tanks, and 11,380 AT guns and artillery pieces but even if their kill ratio was 50-1 there would still have been too few of them and too many allied tanks. The Wermarct would probably been better off producing more of the Panzer IV which was comparable to the Sherman but it was defenitley inferior to the T34, bad strategic planning and inteligence in 1940-41 hadn't properly examined the T34 as a challenge to in service Panzers. The Panther tank was probably the best tank produced of WW2 except for Its reliability problems, it was less expensive than a Tiger and not much more expensive than a Panzer IV, it had thicker sloped front armour than a Tiger, was faster and more mobile. The big problem the Germans had was in industry, unlike the allies they hadn't the huge factory stamp pressing assembly lines mass producing materials, everything was done by hand welding and milling components, like the quality was good but it cost too much time. Then there was also the fact that a lot of the Wermarct logistics was done by horse and cart all through the war. Shortages of resources and not being able to capitalise on their territorial gains of basically most of Europe took its toll as well as having to fight on multiple fronts.

    • I always liked the Me 163 Komet rocket powered interceptor, the gonads a pilot would need to fly this thing. I didn't include because i dont think it was effective.

    • YHL6965

      All of these late war interceptors required massive balls as some of them were literally a jet engine in a wooden frame that was made to be disposable.

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  • coolbreeze
    Interesting take.
  • Massageman
    Lots of good research. Thanks.
  • pizzalovershouse
    time for complete peace
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  • MisterSir
    thank you
  • Anonymous
    So just wehrabooing?

    1. Allies had several AA guns equal and comparable to the 88mm. (US 90mm, British 3.7 inch one, Soviet 85mm)

    2. Allies didn't have a direct equivalent of the Stg44 in WW2 but the Soviets adopted the AK-47 in the late 40s. US kept using M1s till the 50s and 60s.

    3. boyfriend 109 was good but there are so many variants that are totally on different levels when it comes to capability.
    A 1936 BF109 is totally different from a 1945 BF109. (Also don't forget the FW190 which was superior in many ways, even if it didn't replace the BF109)
    And the allies definitely had comparable and sometimes superior fighter planes (P51, P47, Corsair, Spitfire, Yak-3 and Yak-9, etc)

    4. German submarines were good and they used them effectively until the allied change in tactics and strategy made them less effective (still being the most effective part of the German navy)
    On a technological level they weren't really anything special (for the most part) The British, the Italians, the Japanese and the US had very good submarines, some of which were better than the german ones. (except for prototypes like XXI) It was more about the utilization than the boats themselves. (USA used their subs in a similar way against Japan and sunk most of the Japanese merchant fleet plus huge numbers of Japanese navy ships, including carriers)

    5. V1 was probably annoying and scary to civilians but it wasn't that effective, militarily speaking. It was a lot cheaper than the V2 but a lot easier to counter. (80% of V1s being shot down in the late war) Neither had a real effect on the war but obviously influenced post-war technology.

    6. Bismarck was a good ship but it wasn't inherently special, just a decent and solid design. The Hood was equal in terms of weapons, speed and armor (Bismarck did have better fire control and damage control) Hood lost because of bad luck (and to some extent, bad tactical decisions), not because of bad design.

    The KGV-class ships had smaller guns and were slower but were better armored and had similar or superior radar (while being smaller in size since the UK was still following ship treaty weight limits at this point) while the new American battleships of the time were better armed, had better radar and AA and similar armor while being a bit slower. (the later ones were faster on top of all the other things) And the Japanese Yamatos were obviously a thing, though they weren't allies.

    7. Tiger was probably scary to allied soldiers and a scary opponent in the tactical sense but strategically speaking it wasn't that great, it was unreliable and expensive, making more Panthers, PZ IVs and STUGs would probably have been more cost-effective on the long run.
    The Panther was cheaper, faster, had better cross country mobility, it's long 75mm gun had better penetration than the 88mm on the Tiger 1 and it had better armor in some places, including a sloped front.

    Both the US and Soviets had equal or superior heavy tanks by the end of the year (IS-2 and M26 Pershing)

    8. Panzerfaust was definitely a cost-effective weapon. It could penetrate the armor of pretty much any tank in WW2. It did have short range and less tactical flexibility compared to the Panzerschreck or the Bazooka. But it was definitely a good low-price mass produced AT-weapon.

    9. German GPMGs were good and flexible, allies didn't have any direct equivalents, since they had separate LMGs and HMGs. Obviously they didn't change the war but did affect post-war weapons tech.

    10. German guided bombs were fancy for the time and seemed to work pretty well when they could be used. They were MCLOS-guided and had range less than 10km (still really good compared to regular bombs with no guiding, of course, any kind of after-release guidance is useful)
    US did have their own guided bombs, both the AZON which was similar to the German ones except shorter ranged and the radar guided ASM-N-2 Bat, which could be used at long ranges (once hitting a Japanese ship from 37km away.

    • 1. They had yet don't have the same kill rate.
      2. The late 40s was 1949 after the war was over and not until the mid 50s in any numbers that matter. Also the soviets introduced the SKS semi auto rifle in 1949 comparable to the garrand or m14.
      3. The bf109s service length and kill ratio speaks for itself.
      4. I guess it was how they used them. Still D-day would have been in 1943 if not for the U-boat
      5. The v1 was cheaper than the Luftwaffe wasting planes to bomb British industry it was very cost efficient.
      6. The good lost because it was an outdated ww1 design battle cruiser and they probably weren't safely storing the cordite gun charges, the royal navy had a similar problem at Jutland with ships exploding after a few minor hits.
      Most US battleships were bound by the Washington treaty and us quickly realised faster than anyone that the aircraft carrier was king not the battleship.