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Do women but they have tons of valid reasons to be
Lol, yes all that special treatment is certainly fucking with their head.
@6suejsjsj special treatment? What is this the 50s. Guys are just as sexist but no where near as chilvarous. Men had a reason too treat women like crap back then, now not so much. It still wasn't ok but I at least saw where they were coming from
I don't know what you are talking about women factually get special treatment anywhere in the west.
Women should really stop obsessing over a past that they didn't encounter.
Mine must have been the most innocuous comment...
Like I said, I only used comments that held bitter tones. I did not see your comments as bitter but rather speaking in a factual, none emotional way.
I know. Just how I am.
Probably men. Women don't have a MGTOW equivalent.
Then what's feminism, Even hitler said it was in the name of God for good reason but everyone knows what it was.
Feminism is no different they speak its for equality where in fact the name itself contains female and their actions are no different than what people perceive.
Feminism is about the closest and well known thing. But there is actually WGTOW. It exists. Look it up. As somebody associated with the actual, true MGTOW I actually respect true WGTOWers quite a bit. I agree with Aaron that feminism and equality are a bit hard to equate, because feminist is associated with feminine, therefore imbalanced, as masculinity is not a part of it, even though for true equality, it has to be part of the conversation.
True equality means true equality, so:
-If women earn more, they need to pay more
-women should ask men out far more often
-single men and women must be equally left alone if they don't want a relationship
-women AND men should be able to do anything. No exceptions. That means zero stigma with either signing women up for selective service and allowing them to even be a super high position, like a top ranked marine general, if they prove deserving
-on the other hand, men need to be able to have jobs dealing with kids if they chose to, with zero stigma whatsoever. That means male babysitters, male kindergarten teachers, male caretakers, etc MUST be treated no different than a female one.
The issue here? Too many girls disagree with at least one of these, but claim to want equality. That won't lead to equality. That leads to matriarchy. Matriarchy and patriarchy both lead to disaster, especially if they are both going on at once.
Feminism is for equality, MGTOW is just cry baby men who are crying about women behaviour. If everyone followed their ideology then no one is gonna reproduce
🤣🤣🤣 Good luck SIMP
Define simp. Because you dont even know what it means. MGTOW is basically red pilled men who are bitching about women 24 7. Feminism isn't that good because of some individuals but the initial intent is better than MGTOWS. Now go cry about women hypergamy
I don't cry like you. I'm wise enough to avoid bad people in my life.
Defining stealing as God's work doesn't make it good.
Similar to defining feminism for equality doesn't make it right when in fact all they care is about women ignoring men. action speaks louder than words.
You sound hurt. I dont even know what you rambling about. Since when did god or bad people have anything to do with the initial conversation.
And feminism is womens equality, metoo, rights to vote all that bullshit. Yes there's some terrible people in that group, but the goal of that group is way better than MGTOW
Mgtow is just crybaby men who want to be monks over some women behaviour.
If all womem ignored men like MGTOW is doing to women, u wouldn't like it right?
You couldn't even understand analogy.
I mean you can define feminism as something glorious thing/movement but their actions and consequences are way different than their definition/real Goal.
Their goal was achieved in earlier wave of feminism Now all they want privilege over equality.
You can see how laws, custody, divorce are all biased towards women. What kind of equality is that.
@lockster Aaron has a point. I just explained why feminism just in name alone isn't about equality, but more so the assumption equality will be achieved by women being able to do anything a man can, without the reverse. That's called matriarchy, not equality.
MGTOW by the name itself is men GOING THEIR OWN WAY, meaning, every man a part of it is declaring themselves as an independent, regardless of societal rules. For some, yes, that means whining all day about women, but for many others, and what is very much encouraged is wonderful: to work onself and live the best happiest life possible, REGARDLESS of whether women are involved. "Blue pilled" means dependency on a woman involved in your life in order to be happy. The "Blue Pilled" often live for the sake of being with women, not to focus on their own self.
@lockster Feminazis are JUST as bas as misogynistic men
**bad
Agree. That MGTOW is hilarious when I first heard about it. Men need to chill.
@continentalbreakfast What's unchill about declaring independence? Don't confuse MGTOW for a lot of fakes within it. It is literally, "Men going their own way." None of those words specify ANYTHING about women, only men.
If a man wants to be/live with only guys, girls, trans, robots, dolls, themselves, or absolutely nobody, it is simply a statement of independence from the status quo, which tries very hard to force a man to be with a woman.
The ultimate goal of MGTOW when done right is very positive, which is 100% focus on improving oneself to the best of one's ability, regardless of whether women involved in that or not.
I figure if women encourage that sort of thing for themselves, why can't men?
Lol MGTOW is just bitter guys who can't get a girlfriend
@continentalbreakfast Sounds like a bot statement to me. What's your next statement going to be? "Oh you are just bitter, stfu"? Keep living in denial. You're already supposedly 25 already. Don't end up asking "where have the good men gone?" as you were warned.
Sorry kiddo I'm married 😁 and yeps , anyone who is MGTOW just sounds like a bitter woman hater to others. Have a great night though ✌
Just go to the mgtow sub reddits, its literally men bitching about women behavior
@lockster Dude, the MGTOW reddit is not all MGTOW guys. Just like feminist tumblr is not all of feminism. If you're a guy. Ik for a fact you agree with at least a few MGTOW principles, you are just denying it, cause A) You're scared it'll make you look bad and B) You likely think it is just a bunch or alt right or whatever. It is literally dedicated to men helping men. It helps you, whether you see that or not, just like feminism helps women, whether they see it or not. Stop trying to be one of those "male feminist" types. Guarantee you'll just be considered a fake nice guy at some point and left to rot with all the other former male feminists.
I once called myself a male feminist. I dated a SJW and was well associated with it and I ended up leaving MGTOW behind over it. But then it showed its true, hypocritical colors and I went right back to MGTOW. MGTOW ironically is what helped me get a girlfriend in the first place bc I didn't chase after her, she went after me! Wake up.
Im not trying to be a male anything dude. I dont care about feminism. Its just mgtow leaves that impression lol.
I don't know where all of u are gettig these assumptions out of your ass
Just stating the facts 🤷♂️🤷♂️.
he's wacky, that MGTOW mindset brainwashed him
Thats just this entire website, its either men complaining or incels from reddits. But im the bad one basically. These guys gotta grow up or something
Lol you heard of feminism?
@lockster Many say that before running to it later. Many associated with it are very wealthy, successful, etc and could easily screw more women than you can dream of if they wanted to. But it's because they've gotten to know women as well as they have over time that they've come to understand what often happens in their mind and they can't stand it after a while.
2. You sound like a feminist simp quickly pushing one lined assumptions. Just to put it bluntly.
3.. I'd rather be able to survive and die with peace of mind, helping people that already exist, rather than bringing in additional burden to a world. I guess not being selfish is looked down upon and is evil? Many people have kids as an excuse to fuck, not cause they want kids. Just truth.
@lockster you're also 18. get to at least 24 having actually dated a few times before you talk ok kid?
Would have to say its even in their own way.
It is probably about even.
Women these days are worse than a virus