How normal men view women VS how misogynists view women

[Anonymous]

It doesn't really matter how you view women or to which category you belong to. This is as much of your personal choice as are your beliefs and philosophies and values. I will not say which is right or wrong.

There will be lots of hate and the urge to slam that keyboard. I can smell it. I don't care. For them haters being a "simp" (which means normal man right now) is worse than being homosexual back in 2000.

The normal man

(or as some internet blues call them any of these silly terms: "Blue pill, white knights, simps" and so on)

The misogynist

(or as we know them as: "Red pill, MGTOW, incels" and so on)

[Anonymous]

It’s disgusting how many misogynists exist nowadays and then they have the audacity to complain about misandry. Like if you weren’t misogynistic in the first place women wouldn’t feel the need to counteract this behaviour. Anyway, sexism is stupid and disgusting period. Whoever disagrees is just outting themselves as one.

[Stephen_77]

Correction, men became misogynistic because of misandry.

[Opinion Owner]

@stephen_77 congrats on putting yourself as an ignorant misogynist. Hope you’re proud 🤡🤡 also no misogyny was rooted since the beginning of time. Educate yourself because there are very few misandrists out there which are a result of people like you.

[Opinion Owner]

@stephen_77 just looked at some of your awful takes, yeah you’re the very reason some people are extreme feminazis, luckily most men are not disgusting pieces of shit like you. Change your ways before coming at women... Misogynists go to hell, see you there.

[he-takes-a-part]

was going through the comments, the girl has proof enuf to be a misandry coz the way she got triggered and gave a comeback only someone at the back of their head with such a mindset waiting to give oppotunity could do that. @Stephen_77 maintained the integrity and did not bulshitt the owner of the opinion at all. People here would know you easily by reading your comments and yes you are anonymous so its easy to say those shit and go check out someones profile. By the way no bad words but no doubt the disrespect that you honestly paid seems you are kid mentally and ugly one. You can call me whatever way floats your boat. But that was such horrific you should be banned from the internet. I have seen girls utter whatvr comes in their mouth, this is your definiton of empowerment you will soon meet a gang lol. All the best

[he-takes-a-part]

FIrst go learn some balance opinion although neither i am feminist nor mysogynist but i will have decency to talk to and have convincing argument and not be outspoken and hundreds of personalities whichever suits the place.

[Stephen_77]

Like I give a flying shit what feminists like you say. It's men who are the biggest victims of sexism, not women.

[Opinion Owner]

@stephen_77 says the one who says the most disgusting things about workmen. Stfu you’re less educated than a fetus. Sorry that I like equality, unlike you.

[Opinion Owner]

@he-takes-a-part All I said was sexism is bad and he decided to disagree with me lmao. If you’re sexist just say so. And I’m not a misandrist, I literally stated in my original comment that I think sexism is wrong, period. And if you read all his opinions, he’s very misogynistic and downright disgusting. If you’re defending him then that says a lot about you and your values.

[Saph765]

I’m getting a lot of men in my comments to my reply talking about women’s faults when the original post talks about men 💀 they got so offended

[yoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyo]

I think you're ignoring the point of the discussion here...

[yoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyo]

Misandry, is the same thing as misogynism, just reverse. It is not at all misogynistic to defend the male image from misandry, at all...

Matter of fact, doing so preserves the quality of what equality truly is, especially for men's and women's rights.

If you think women should be able to get away with hate towards men, or should have more rights than men, that makes you a supremacist, as well as vice versa.

If you think supremacy of the female should be the focus of the country, then in fact, you reject the feminist idealogy of equal rights among sexes, no?

I think supremacy of any kind is fascist and evil, and should be stopped, because I want to preserve your rights, as well as his rights, and make sure everybody has an equal opportunity.

I guess if you don't want men to have the same rights as you, then you don't want the same rights as men, right? It's a balanced scale, if one side weighs more, the other will tip.

I don't think either side should tip. I think everybody should have equal playing ground

[Opinion Owner]

@yoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyo bruh did you even bother reading the last line? I literally said sexism is bad period. Clearly some people like sexism based on who disliked my comments, and look at that, they’re all men too...

Misogyny is worse than misandry because misogyny has always existed to just hate women whereas misandry is to defend themselves from those misogynistic people. NOW READ THE NEXT LINE VERY CAREFULL BECAUSE CLEARLY YOU MISSED WHAT I SAID LAST TIME: neither should exist. Equality is the goal. Neither gender should have more rights than the other. I’m not accepting misandry. I’m just saying that I get where they’re coming from.

Point is, women and men should be equal and anyone who disagrees from either side, are dumb and disgusting.

[Ninjazzed]

@Stephen_77 Jesus, you are poorly deluded and confused.

Men's misogyny women leads to systemic discrimination, degradation, and violence.

Women's misandry is a result of said misogyny, discrimination, degradation, and violence, and leads to us being cautious for our own and each other's safety and well-being.

That's the difference.

[Stephen_77]

Sue me

[Stephen_77]

@Ninjazzed Nope, it's women's sexism against men that causes men to be misogynistic.

[Opinion Owner]

@stephen_77 no it’s not lmao, misogyny started first. Are you that fucking stupid? Jeez I don’t hate men but I sure hate men like you, the dumb misogynistic type. Seek help or off yourself idc.

[Stephen_77]

Nope, men were always the biggest victims of sexism, which is why men were the ones who had to work in dangerous jobs while their wives got to put their feet up at home.

[Ninjazzed]

@Stephen_77 Misogyny existed before misandry, you dumb prick.

[Ninjazzed]

@Stephen_77 So men are sexist against themselves? Is that your argument? Men making themselves the breadwinners and not allowing women to work outside the home? Jesus, you really are confused.

[WomenAreInfants]

Your foul mouth, condescending attitude toward men, self entitled expectations and dishonest approach to this subject outs you as a typical American female exploiter of men that you hate.

You're not capable of loving a man, you only love what men do for you or give you. you're a dime a dozen in the USA today, unfortunately.

[Opinion Owner]

@womenareinfants bruh all I said is sexism is bad, if you disagree that says a lot about what a disgusting excuse of a human you are. I’m not even American and I have a loving boyfriend who isn't a misogynist, we’re both against misandry and misogyny and that’s why we work well. We do things for each other equally. I don't know where your disgusting assumptions came from, but have fun staying single

[Stephen_77]

@Ninjazzed In the olden days most women wouldn't have been able to do mens jobs due to the heavy lifting. Men had more physical strength. We didn't have computers in the dark ages you dumb turkey.

[TruthBringer]

@Stephen_77 No point in arguing with these snowflakes, mate. It is clear that they want to get away with their misandry while punishing those who spread so-called "misogyny". Anyone who criticizes certain female behaviors or at the very least disagrees with them is a "misogynist" in their eyes. In reality, they are projecting the very thing they are. Women like that make me appreciate my girlfriend even more who is the complete opposite of what they are. My compliments to you for having patience and refusing to get thrown into an emotional state like they desperately trying to get you in.

[Opinion Owner]

@TruthBringer And men like you are disgusting lmao. I literally said I don’t support misogyny or misandry, so congrats you just outted yourself as a misogynistic piece of shit. Equality is what we need, no ones higher than anyone. But clearly you disagree with that, so see u in hell.

[Opinion Owner]

Wow look, it’s only the men who disliked my comment, is equality that hard for you guys? Hope those who think sexism is good does a slow death

[TruthBringer]

@Anonymous Not sure how I sound misogynistic when you're literally being an apologist for misandrist. Your claim to have sexism is contradicted y blaming one side (men's side), which actually exposes your misandrist tendencies. Equality, true equality is what I also want, and nowhere in your comments points to you wanting that. The fact that you had to put yourself as "anonymous" goes to show that you're scared to get backlash for posting pathetic comments. But by all means, keep coping and projecting sweetheart.

[Opinion Owner]

@TruthBringer well this question is about misogyny so I’m gonna bring up misogyny lmao. I’m anonymous because this isn’t even my account, it’s my sisters and I don’t want her having backlash for smt I said. Plus you’re the one with a private profile dude. You sound misogynistic because you’re blatantly defending a misogynist. I literally said “sexism” is disgusting and you disagreed with me. So no I’m not a misandrist but if I meet one more misogynist I might reconsider. True equality is what I want but since most people don’t want it, how’s it ever gonna happen?

[TruthBringer]

@Anonymous Me defending misogyny? I would love to see you prove your words with some citations and valid interpretations. Please do your best not to engage in false confirmation biases. No sweetheart, I’m simply exposing the inconsistency within your words like the others are. You say you’re against sexist, and then put the blame on one group for being sexist. As much as I condemn both misandry and misogyny, I can at the very least see why men turn misogynistic. My profile being private is a lot different compared to posting anonymous things. The fact you felt the need to check out my profile goes to show you’re desperately trying to find anything to use against me, which points to your lack of debating skills. Which is exactly why I put my profile on private considering it doesn’t help the likes of you in search of ad hominems. How about you create your own account instead of bringing such pathetic excuse. Don’t worry about me, love. I don’t defend misogyny. If I were a true misogynist, then I would not want to have anything to do with women, I wouldn’t be in a relationship and neither would half of my followers be women as they are now. But of course this will create a cognitive dissonance within your brain.

The difference between you and I is that I don’t call out to stop sexism and then proceed to blame one side for sexism. But it is clear that your ego got bruised because someone pointed out an error in your comment. By all means stick to your logical fallacies since you clearly can’t argue without them.

[Opinion Owner]

@TruthBringer If you read stephen_77’s opinions, the vast majority of them are misogynistic and bringing down women. Secondly, he was stating something that was just untrue, he said misogyny is rooted from misandry and even 4th graders would know that that is in fact false.

Yes I was a little rude and I could’ve worded it differently but I posted my opinion after reading multiple genuinely misogynistic comments in this chain. I haven’t seen any women say anything misandrist hence why I didn’t bring it up. I’m seeing a few comments like that now but during the time when I posted my opinion, I only saw rude male sexist comments. I never put one group with all the blame, im simply stating that I can see why misandrists exist, if you had any reading comprehension skills you would know that I never stated that misandry was good either.

The difference between you and I is that you feel the need to insult and belittle me when you were the one who didn’t understand what I was trying to say in the first place.

No I will not make my own account, this place is filled with so many awful people (not you but just in general the amount of creepy people on here is insane) I come on here occasionally for the political side.

Nice try.

[Ninjazzed]

@Stephen_77 Never said we had computers? No shit, dumb Neanderthal.

[Property_Of_Jocker]

@anonymous See how many misogynists there are here? Crazy 🤣

[TruthBringer]

@Anonymous Lovely how you lecture me about insults while you started off by calling me "disgusting". Pot. Kettle. Black much? Try not to contradict yourself next time. When it comes to misogyny, I can tell you that today's misogyny has A LOT to do with how men are being treated by women, how society is misleading men in the way they should behave in order to get women and end up not getting them at all, or at the very least get used by them. Misandry of today has a lot to do with misogyny as wel as indoctrination of the feminist movement. Unlike you, I don't flap my beak denying actual facts. I call it as it is. If today's women weren't acting the way they are now as well as won't shame men for merely being born male, then much misogyny wouldn't be there. Not that I condone any of it.

Next time if you're going to try to make a moral comment, it is best not to side with one side while trying to put blame on the other (which yes you did and no amount of denying on your end will change that). Whatever the case, I'll leave you with the last word since you're clearly desperate in having it. Not that I will read it ;)

[Opinion Owner]

@truthbringer And you’re racist too huh? LOL not surprised most misogynists are racist too, no I’m not black lol not like it matters. Imagine bringing race into something that has nothing to do with it. Try not to defend terrible human next time, and maybe you won’t end up in hell.

[TruthBringer]

Racism? Thanks for showing you're not very knowledgable. You clearly have never heard of the phrase "The pot calling the kettle black" (short: Pot. Kettle. Black.). And you're sitting here lecturing me on my reading comprehension. Back to school, little girl. I have seen enough, thanks for the good laugh

[SomeGuyCalledTom]

Misogyny and misandry are equally deplorable, and neither should be justified as existing merely in reaction to the other. It just spoils the broth for everyone else.

[SomeGuyCalledTom]

P. S. I'm just responding to the OP comment, clearly there's some debate going on in the following comments, but I don't have a horse in that particular race.

[Opinion Owner]

@truthbringer I thought you said you weren’t gonna read it LMAO. shut the hell up, I’ve heard enough from you as well. Just say you hate women and go. Literally you keep debating but all I hear from you is belittling rude comments as well as your internalized misogyny coming out. No wonder you’re single.

[Opinion Owner]

@SomeGuyCalledTom did I ever say either were good? I’m not saying misandry is justified I literally stated sexism of all sorts is bad and everyone got mad. Kinda sad and it really shows how many people are truly misogynistic on this app. Is it that hard to accept equality (not directing this at you specifically, but everyone else I’m debating)

[TruthBringer]

@Anonymous HAhaha oh look getting meotional now and doing the very thing you lecture others of doing, which is using insults. This goes to show you're not only uneducated to not know know common phrases and immediately assume 'racism' is at play when someone types "black" (lovely how you've completely ignored that), but you've just exposed yourself as a hypocrite aswel now. We get it little dove, you lack the intellectual capacity to come with a valid argument without the use of logical fallacies. All this because someone happens to disagree with you and show you the error in your comment. And I'm the one who is "internalizing" misogyny. Keep amusing me girl. Your little temper tantrum of damage control failed. Try again.

[Ninjazzed]

@WomenAreInfants Your username is indicative of your stupidity so I think this one checks itself out.

[Opinion Owner]

@TruthBringer why are you still replying lol? We’ve already established that I apparently “lack education” which I don’t but go off. So why are you still here? Go debate someone who’s “worthy” then. No actually I’m only reciprocating the energy, all your paragraphs of aggression in it by belittling me and calling me a little girl and stuff, yeah that sounds about rude. And yeah sorry I shouldn’t have replied at like 3 am when I just skimmed through your messages without reading it so I admit that was bad on my end. Why’s it so hard for you to accept equality? You’re only mad because I said sexism is bad, which it is. I never justified misandry, but you can’t help but feel that every female is a man hating person. So sorry if equality is so very hard for you to accept, we don’t live in the 1950’s love, deal with it.

[TruthBringer]

@Anonymous I actually agree with you that sexism is bad and that equality is a good thing. I merely pointed out that one shouldn't try to make a moral statement and then proceed to put blame one one group. "you can’t help but feel that every female is a man hating person." - says the girl who falsely accuses anyone who corrects or disagrees with her on certain points of "misogyny". Nice projection there, love. I merely pointed a flaw in your comment and then you proceed to call me a misogynist. I have no issue accepting equality, but you clearly find it hard to accept you made a mistake when attempting to take the moral highground. Suit yourself, love ;)

[Stephen_77]

@Property_Of_Jocker YAWN

[Opinion Owner]

@TruthBringer if you actually agree, then why defend a misogynist? It takes one to defend one. Like I said, I admit I could’ve worded it better but you didn’t even bother understanding my intent on my original comment. Plus I don’t see you taking the high ground either since you’ve clearly been quite rude and went to belittling things to me. I’m sorry I accused you of being a misogynist, but it’s hard to not assume when you were defending someone like that. Maybe you didn’t know, I don't know.

[TruthBringer]

@Anonymous the fact you assume I'm defending misogyny sums up that you need to do something about your reading comprehension. Either re-read what I said or just be on your way.

[Opinion Owner]

@TruthBringer the fact that you don’t even acknowledge my apology or anything else I said says a lot about your “maturity” and I never said you defended misogyny, I said you defended A misogynist in the comments. You lack reading comprehension as well, reread that.

[TruthBringer]

@Anonymous I accept your apology. And if I happen to "defend" a "misogynist", then that means you're implying I defend misogyny. Nice try love, but your manipulation tactic doesn't work here.

[Opinion Owner]

@TruthBringer it’s not the same thing though, I could defend a person and not know any of their morals. You defended this guy and he’s a misogynist, I don’t put the blame on you, but even when I told you he was one, you didn’t bother and you ignored it. Hence why I was upset and why I said what I said. Anyway have a nice day, we dragged this out long enough.

[TruthBringer]

@Anonymous I base my judgment on what I see, not on ad hominems. You're right this dragged on for too long. Have a nice day aswel :)

[higirlypops]

@Stephen_77 bae-

[AdithyaR]

I've always found mgtow to be hypocrites
For people who supposedly go their own way, they seem to talk about women way more than others.

[hellionthesagereborn]

Then you've never studied anything about them or interacted with them in your life. I don't agree with them but claiming their hypocrits just shows you don't know anything. They mention the evils of feminism because they are actively trying to stop the very sexist laws that discriminate against men, how is that them being hypocritical? They have their own movement, they try to discuss men's issues like suicide and then feminist come in and issue bomb threats to shut down said events (this isn't hypothetical, its happened multiple times). Journalists ask about the movement and they agree to talk to them, only the journalist is a feminist so instead of hearing them out they do hit piece after hit piece and completely misrepresent them in all ways. Then you have women who have come out about this sexism and they have their lives ruined, their work attacked etc.(Casey Jay who did the documentery the red pill for example, or the man who ran the only male domestic violence shelter in Canada who was harassed demonized and eventually shut down thanks to feminist political clout resulting in him committing suicide, or the woman (I forget her name, Pizzy I think was her last name) who started women's shelters in england but upon realizing that women where just as abusive was then attacked by feminists, had her dog killed by them and her familiy threatened to the point where she had to literally flee the country). Do some research before coming to a conclusion.

[AdithyaR]

I'm sorry but I just spoke from experience, the mgtows I've met on this site or other places have never mentioned such issues, they just go on talking about how women are evil and men who treat women well are useless.

I care about men's issues cause the patriarchy hurts us all. I'm an ally to feminism and I can care about both men and women. I don't feel the need to make entirely different thing for it.

[hellionthesagereborn]

See, their is the ignorance. The "patriarchy" i. e. men, does not hurt us all, ignorance and refusal to accept that men and women are human beings (as feminist view point is that only men are evil and women are perfect which you are echoing with your claims of patriarchy (something of which you cannot even define or provide any concrete evidence of even existing). That is what hurts us, refusal to accept reality, and refusal to acknowledge the wrongs women commit and the refusal to accept that men can also be victims (which is done by feminists and men like you who immediatley blame something else for it i. e. patriarchy). When do we make women accountable for their actions? When do we acknowledge the sacrifices men make? Well with feminism and your view point, never, we will never do that as long as you hold your view and feminists hold said view. So until then we will continue to suffer.

[AdithyaR]

Okay so there's no point trying to reason with you.
Keep your view bud.

[TruthBringer]

@hellionthesagereborn Don't waste your time on him, bud. Let him stick to his delusion

[hellionthesagereborn]

Do you not know what reasoning is? Reasoning with some one is discussion and showing that they may be mistaken in their view by providing reason and evidence to back up your claims. Thus far I have provided multiple examples that contradict claims made, you have not. I have also provided points of contention with your statements and why they show that your argument is not rational and is coming from a tribalistic world view, thus far you have not provided that.

The problem is reasoning with people isn't about them just believing everything you have to say, its about talking things out and seeing what is the more rational conclusion, so far I have presented my case, shown that you have not researched this topic and are ignorant about it as a result (nothing wrong with that, we can't know everything), you have done no such thing.

[AdithyaR]

I know what reasoning means buddy, and I was halfway through typing out an entire paragraph but I deleted cause it's not worth it. I don't want to argue with you and go down a whole rabbit hole. From what I've read, we both believe in one thing, both men are women are human and can do good or bad things irrespective of their gender.
So I trust that you are a good person. Our views might differ beyond this, so let's agree to disagree.

[Stephen_77]

You've taken the cowards way out because you can't argue with facts. Another male feminist mangina simp.

[AdithyaR]

Cool story bro

[hellionthesagereborn]

If that is what you wish.

[yoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyo]

I'm convinced that men who call others simps for being loyal, I don't know the term for them really, but we'll just call them fuckboys. Fuckboys are just that, fuckboys. They got a dick for brains. They tend to spend their time trying so hard to convince the world around them of how straight they are.

I don't give a damn.

I think a man who is afraid of commitment in a relationship, is the biggest pussy there is!

What kind of bigotry must you be involved with, to call a grown ass man something so childish, because you let a bunch of ratchet hoes suck your wittle peepee, when they only do the shit for self entertainment, because they think it's funny how much you think you're the shit after.

Men talk about one night stands so often, because that's all a woman will give him!!

Try dating a real woman, one with morals and values, and holding it together for a few years, yeah? Consistently! Once you can keep a woman happy that long, and you can put up with all that and still maintain to keep her happy with you and loyal to you, then you will be a man in my eyes.

Otherwise, if you disrespect women, you aren't nothing but a worm.

Thoughts?

[AdithyaR]

@yoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyo totally agreed with you, guys who call others simps for treating women are the worst.
And I agree that men who disrespect women are horrible too.

Personally I don't think a man needs to be in a relationship to be a man. I don't ever plan on dating or getting married cause I'm not cut out for that, but I don't believe in one night stands either, they just feel wrong to me.
As long as a man treats everyone with respect and acts mature and like a good person, he's fine in my eyes.

[Celtero]

It's amusing how many times what you say has been effectively copy-pasted. If you try really hard, maybe one day you'll have an original thought.

[AdithyaR]

Cool 😂

[FalconTakanashi]

@hellionthesagereborn See, here's the thing. MRAs and MGTOW love to bang on about men's issues on the internet, but when it comes down to it, they care very little if at all about said issues.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@FalconTakanashi That is factually incorrect. What makes you claim that? They have rallies, they have protests (which feminists call bomb threats on so as to shut them down) etc. What your saying sounds more like an attempt to dismiss their claims then something that is rooted in fact (because utlimately, it is).

[FalconTakanashi]

@hellionthesagereborn
MRAs when a man rapes a woman: Men get raped too!
MRAs when a woman rapes a man: Lucky bastard!

[TruthBringer]

@yoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyo Let's see what "simp stands for: 'Suckas ideolizing mediocre pussy". And the definitions lead to the following: "it means a guy that is overly desperate for women, especially if she is a bad person, or has expressed her disinterest in him whom which he continues to obsess over."

Men don't call others "simps" for being loyal. Men call others "simps" for being loyal without getting something in return. They become "loyal" to women who don't give a rat's ass about them and are out there to exploit them. These are the same men who pay for OnlyFans, donate to E-girls on Twitch and defend women just for the sake of them being women. All in hope to get something in return (like sex), even though they intellectually know they never will.

As a man who is in a committed relationship with a wonderful girl who is also committed to me, I've never been called a "simp". Neither have I seen a man who is in a committed relationship and is loyal being called a "simp". Either you've seen some unicorns calling men in relationships that or you're falsely representing those who use the term "simp" to call out pathetic men who lack self-respect, standards and morals.

In the end, those who get called simp often display any of the behaviors as mentioned above. And for good reasons as these behaviors need to be shamed. No man of value who also has self-respect will 'simp'.

[TDDMS]

I've always found the entire MGTOW movement to be quite annoying. At this point, any criticism of MGTOW is seen as an attack on their ego, which when ideology reaches that point it's really no different than religion. A lot of their reasons for avoiding women are legit. Look at the court system and how it treats men and what they say is true and backed by real evidence. And that's where I depart from them.

Personally I can't stand weak males who just whine and whine. When this movement began about 8 years ago on YT, it was quite common to see these boys make multi-hour videos just complaining about women. And like others have pointed out, for a bunch of men going their own way, they sure spend a lot of time online bitching about women.

They never liked me, which is no big lost, because many times I would point out how enculturation has played and plays its part in how, in this case, current women's behavior has come about. What they don't like about what I've said is how is it when I stopped dating American women and focused on east Asian and Quebecois women, I found dating and relationships to be effortless. They would all bemoan their nonsense that the women were using their top secret tactics to ensnare me and blah blah blah. And I've always maintained and continue to do so that many of the dating and relationship problems that women cause is because many American women don't know what it's like to be held responsible. I even see this in engineering, where one firm hired a woman simply because she is female (a real female), she sits at her desk collecting a pay check, and she is dumb to the point that she doesn't know the difference between centripetal acceleration and centripetal force. Which begs the question: How did she get there? The answer is quite simple, her parents never held her to standard, her public school passed her along, and her college passed her along. Because anyone in that chain had they been honest with her and held her to a standard like men are, they would have been seen as destroying her self esteem or as a misogynist.

Then there is their MGOTW's obvious hypocrisy. They say they support men, so why is it when a man is falsely accused of rape, sexual harassment, etc., they are not pooling their money to pay for a lawyer to defend the accused? Instead, they just resort to defeatist mindset. Why don't they work at the local government level to change misandric laws? Again, because they must maintain the victim narrative.

There's more I can say, but I will end w/ this, about 6 years ago, a FB group was started, but one could see all of it's users which consisted of weak pathetic males who seem to be only interested in playing video games. Who in their right mind wants to associate with such people?

[VanillaSalt]

It seems your misunderstanding something. Distain for women is not the core of red pill/MGTOW. The core of red pill is understanding the world is the way it is including people are the way they are and will generally look out for themselves during trouble like women during divorce and such… meanwhile the core of MGTOW is men’s refusal to place themselves in a compromised situation. The distain for women comes from incels that mistake their failure in dating solely as women’s standards when they focus on happiness and don’t strive to improve. It also stems from women’s hypergamy and anger at feminism.


I’m 100% MGTOW. If I found the perfect girl I wouldn’t marry her. We wouldn’t even live together without a cohabitation contract. Women have too many rights, too much control, and too little accountability. Men do not share the same rights in court, relationships, reproduction, anything when compared to women. When a man and woman have a child the man HAS to pay child support… We often think the man knew what he was doing so he should pay child’s support. But what about the woman who choose to open her legs to a man she hardly knew whom may not have been ready for kids. It’s always the man’s fault not hers and it shows in court, society, and the remorseless actions of women.


Some women ARE trustworthy but, as a man, your a fool to trust any woman in today’s society. It’s not that all women WILL screw you over, it’s that they CAN. MGTOW’s refuse to be in this compromising position until the laws catch up to the new society that feminism has pushed.


Feel free to downvote and throw your hateful comments my way idc.

[Silas_153]

"But what about the woman who choose to open her legs to a man she hardly knew whom may not have been ready for kids."
You do know that the male has a choice, don't you? He doesn't HAVE to have sex with every female who "chooses to open her legs", as you so crudely put it. The responsibility for bringing children into the world lies with BOTH people who have sex. If you don't want children, then the way to prevent this is really simple - don't have sex (especially with strangers you barely know). What do you think marriage is for?

[VanillaSalt]

You are correct and in that regard they share responsibility… but the woman has unchecked authority over abortion. What if they used a condom and it broke? It’s unrealistic to believe men and women will just stop having sex. Women have equal responsibility up until the choice is made to or not to abort… women hold majority responsibility for children.

As for what marriage is for… marriage and a ltr are the exact same thing minus a social contract not truly enforced by the government. For better or worse. In sickness and in health. Until death do us part… with does that even mean anymore. Marriage don’t mean anything anymore.

[TruthBringer]

@VanillaSalt You have nailed it perfectly!

[Kaamraj]

Although I don't completely understand the phenomenon but MGTOW, Red-Pill, etc. are part of related philosophies which are about one thing: choice, and the maximization and utilization of the same.
The Red-Pill is about dissociating oneself from the propaganda that society and mainstream media teaches for their own socio-economic benefits and analyze the facts and draw one's own conclusions from an individual capacity. So, all it teaches is individuality.
If you go by the data than it is without a doubt that men have a much higher suicide rate, homelessness, workplace, and combat casualties, lose in child custody battles, divorce settlements (with women filing for around 70-80% of all divorces, now if it were that previously women were stuck and now they have options then that figure should be around 50-50), child support (regardless of whether wanted to be a father or not), alimony, divorce and family courts being overwhelmingly against them, etc.
So, there is data to back up their grievances. I suggest that if you want to propose a counter claim then instead of pasting some pictures and captions why you don't present your data with logic and let the people decide.

[AFellowWeeb]

Hmm, ok, the last time i was ont his website i was arguing with a 18 yo girl that used a guy to pay for a dinner to her, apparently dumped her boyfriend not long time ago and already had another crush on a guy from tinder, she's just 18 by the way, but ok, we are the weirdos. And years, women here in the west have it better, 75% of suicides are men, women are more promiscuous than men, and yes, fuck boys do exist and hypergamy is a real thing, 30% of men till the age of 26 are still virgins here in the west, while women are only 15-18%, basically half. There is no wage gap, 90% of deaths in the workplace are men, why? Because men go for high risk high reward jobs and work overtime, bc if a guy is broke, no woman will ever want to date him, but still, 75% of homeless people are male 🤔. We dont hate women, we hate un fair treatment, we are currently on the same position of men ( yes, it were men ) that created first wave feminism to give women all of the same rights as men, no one likes us, even tho we are just fighting for real equality, third wave feminism is a brainwash propaganda, just to employ lazy women with fake jobs such as activists. Back when doctors and scientists were allowed to speak up without censorship, they allways said that promiscuity leads to depression and unhappy marriage lives, women always report being more unhappy than their husbands nowadays, and they are the ones that file for divorce more often, this is why 50% of marriages in the us end up in divorces, hell, even pewdiepie already points that out on one of his recent videos, this is why we say that women are just for fun these days and are not marriageable anymore.

[AFellowWeeb]

Links:

Deaths in the workplace:
www.publichealthpost.org/.../

Homelessness:
endhomelessness.org/.../

Promiscuity effects on marriedge:
www.everydayhealth.com/.../...eaten-longevity.aspx
ifstudies.org/.../does-sexual-history-affect-marital-happiness

[MzAsh]

Misogynistic, low value men will view women as beauty objects and service sources before anything else. To them, it’s all about how good she looks and how well she can cook and clean for him, and take care of his children, etc. These are the type of men women should avoid at all costs.


Good men respect and honor a woman in all facets, from her mind, personality, her autonomy, desires, and what she brings to the table other than the shallow things misogynistic men want from a woman. A good man views a woman as a valuable partner and team mate, not an object or toy.

[KrakenAttackin]

@MzAsh. "Low value men", you mean the Chad Thundercocks who fuck their way through Tinder? Women throw themselves at these guys so by definition these are "high value" men.

Also, his many modern women "cook and clean"? Modern women need a GPS just to find the kitchen, not that they can do anything worthwhile once in it.

[MzAsh]

Being a high value man has a whole hell of a lot more criteria involved than managing to convince a few girl-children on tinder to scree him before realizing he sucks in life. Tinder is bottom of the barrel.

[TruthBringer]

The ironic thing is, high value men actually put a lot of importance in a woman's traditional skills and her ability to take care of children. The key point that you have chosen to ignore that these men don't ONLY value these qualities, but also other qualities. So you're deliberately being dishonest here by manipulating the reader into thinking that men who put value or even priority on a woman's ability to cook, clean and taking care of the kids did not go unnoticed here. With that logic, low value women would give importance to a man's education, his ability to provide and how well he treats the kids. While in reality, these are one of the most important things to seek in a man. It is obvious that you just despise men for wanting traditional qualities that don't go hand in hand with the feminist ideology, despite research clearly showing that traditional couples are far happier than "modern" ones.

[MzAsh]

You say that they don’t ONLY value those qualities, which I’d be willing to believe if they ever spoke on what those other qualities are. Yet, we never do. What are they?

[TruthBringer]

@MzAsh The reason why they don't speak a lot about other qualities has more to do with combatting feminism that has taken away key and basic qualities men seek in women and indoctrinated many generations that they should throw away these qualities and not "serve" a man. This is equivalent to women complaining that men don't have jobs, houses and no money, but still expect women to have their own shit together, because some anti-woman movement tells men to. When these qualities are there, men like myself focus on underlying qualities such as her looks in life, the way she practices her loyalty, the way she presents herself to the public, if she believes in a faith, how she sees herself when she becomes a mother and a lot more.

These examples are secundary and not being mentioned since the PRIMARY requirements are not met. So instead of blaming men for talking solely on cooking, cleaning, sex and motherly skills (primary requirements for men), the true question you should be asking is why they do. And the answer lies in many (western) women don't know how to be good partners. They refuse to cook, clean and take care of their husbands while the men are expected to bring in the money, fix the car, be the shield in case of an attack etc. This contributes to the decline of marriage. Many western men, including my fellow Dutch countrymen seek women outside the borders like in Asian countries where women still hold the values for being traditional and taking care of their men. That wouldn't happen if western women weren't so self-absorbed and expect a traditional man, but not want to be traditional themselves. Classic case of wanting a cake and eat it too. Acknowledging this has nothing to do with misogyny, but rather looking at the world from a realistic lens.

[KrakenAttackin]

@MzAsh. Actually it doesn't. "High value" is on the eye of the beholder. When you have 80+% of women chasing the top 5-10% Chad Thundercocks, those men are high value by definition.

[MzAsh]

It seems that most *people* aren’t good partners. And it’s not just today, but always through time. Most people are awful at direct communication, active listening, conflict resolution, emotional regulation, and working together. These things are what brings a relationship to last. Not whether or not a woman looks good and can cook and clean. Not how much money a man makes and how well he can provide and protect. Everything we’ve both mentioned has it’s place in a long lasting relationship. It’s up to you to decide how much importance to place on the things that actually sustain the connection.

[TruthBringer]

@MzAsh Judging by the statistics over the years, it seems like we are in a decline when it comes to quality relationships. Even though shitty people exist throughout time, certain time periods are better than others.

For your information, there is more to a relationship than communication, being able to reconcile etc. A relationship is a joint effort to lead and enhance each other's lives. So yes, whether a woman can cook, clean, take care of the kids, give sex etc. is actually something that is needed for a relationship to remain healthy. Another manipulation attempt on your end that doesn't work here. A car can't drive with only its chasis, but not the wheels. If one of the main pillar of a building is missing, then odds are that building is going to collapse sooner or later if not immediately.

[MzAsh]

Fundamentally, all adults would benefit from knowing how to cook, clean, and take care of their kids. People can choose for themselves how much or how little they want to do these things in their relationships and find a partner who is either complementary or agrees to equally share these responsibilities.

[Not_Average]

Men place an extraordinary amount of value on her traditional skills. We have different needs than a woman. We value respect, admiration, shared recreational interests, beauty, sex, and submissiveness. You can say that’s misogynistic, but women view financial security as greater importance and men don’t. We have our differences. The book His needs, Her Needs really taught me a lot.

[MzAsh]

That may be true for you and some other men, but definitely not all of them.

[Not_Average]

Sure but these fundamental differences of needs in romance are driven by biological differences within multiple realms such as psychology and endocrinology. There are outliers, and they’re entitled to whatever they like, but the more one deviates away from biological and societal norms, the greater chance of the relationship failing.

[MzAsh]

Deviating from norms is a huge part of why mine IS so successful.

[Not_Average]

Sure there are outliers and variations of when it’s positive to deviate. I’m just basing that statement off of logic.

I’m just saying, a guy isn’t a misogynist just because his innate and biological desires are to have a nurturing traditional submissive woman. This is actually natural.

[TruthBringer]

@MzAsh It seems my point went right over your head. Despite us all needing to know how to cook and clean, men still want traditional skills in their partner. Just as women want men to uphold their traditional qualities (providing, leading, guarding, etc.). You claim only "some men" put value on that, I would argue that the majority if not most men do. A decline in long term commitments within western societies, the decline of marriage and an increase of western men seeking Asian women who do hold on to their traditions tend to point to that. Once again, your manipulation tactic doesn't work. If only a minority of men seek traditional values, then the majority of men would date feminists, which we clearly do not see happening.

[TruthBringer]

@MzAsh "Deviating from norms is a huge part of why mine IS so successful." That's great, then you happen to be part of the minority. Studies point out that traditional relationships last longer:
www.washingtonexaminer.com/.../the-happiest-marriages-are-the-more-traditional-ones

www.kstatecollegian.com/.../

Which leads me to the famous line: Exceptions of the rule do not disprove the rule.

[MzAsh]

How happy are they really? These are the women in traditional relationships who come to me with with consulting questions because they are either bored or feel taken advantage of.

[TruthBringer]

@MzAsh Happy enough not to initiate divorces it seems. Happy enough to not take antidepressants or seek out therapy. That rhetorical question made no sense. You can stay in denial all you want, it won't change the fact that traditional couples are the happiest. Which is funny considering you're trying to claim men who seek traditional values and expect women to uphold them, as they uphold theirs as "low value". And the irony of this, that it is coming from a "modern" woman with clearly feminist values. What an epic fail. If you're truly interested in knowing how these studies have been performed, then it is about time you start reading them.

[MzAsh]

I didn’t say those with traditional values are low value. I said Misogynistic and low value men view women as beauty and service objects before anything else.

[MzAsh]

If men and women want traditional values, that’s one thing. It’s not for me but I know not everyone is for me. But based on the decade long studying I’ve done on men with a red pill lends, I’ll never encourage women to have anything to do them.

[TruthBringer]

You implied men who happened to put value on traditional values are misogynistic and low value. Backtracking won't help you. A man doesn't have to be red pilled to want traditional values. I would also argue that after studying "modern" women who hold on to modern feminist views, men could best stay away from them at all cost. Red pill men happen to recognize the dangers of "modern" dating and equalitarian relationships. Often those who advice other women not to have anything to do with red pill men often do so out of their bruised ego considering they cannot manipulate, control a man or get away with as much as they want. Red pill men are generally men who know how to put people, in particularily women in their place. Which makes them the cryptonite of feminists or those with feminist lends. I'm red pill aware and the way I treat my girlfriend, she would have it no other way. And it seems like the red pill side is slowly, but surely winning. More and more people (men in particular) are discovering the red pill and MGTOW (im not MGTOW) and for good reason. To you, anyone who studies or associates himself with the red pill is "low value"and "mysoginistic", which is absolutely pathetic as you've only exposed yourself to project your own misandrist tendencies.

[Saph765]

Look at the like to dislike ratio 💀 the men are really offended

[MzAsh]

Indeed, Saph. They’ll deal.

[ManHater]

Then why do women dress like they are complete sluts. Half naked?

[MzAsh]

How a woman dresses doesn’t give anyone a pass to treat her poorly.

[ManHater]

I'm still going to judge her for what she chooses to wear.

[TruthBringer]

@ManHater Don't bother with them, I tried. It will all go one ear in and out of the other. The very ones who have to deal with it all, considering men's rights movements are making their way to the mainstream faster than ever. So they are panicking since their shaming tactics towards men with self-respect and standards aren't working 😂.

[KrakenAttackin]

@MzAsh. How someone dresses says a lot about a person.

[MzAsh]

ManHater, that’s your own business. No one needs to know about or care what judgements you have. But it will never give you the right to treat someone with disrespect. Just keep that in mind.

[Not_Average]

Wow this conversation is still happening lol

[Ninjazzed]

@TruthBringer Traditional couples aren’t happier? The man is happier, not the woman.

Couples back then didn’t believe in divorce so they stayed together, despite being incompatible.

It goes both ways. If he wants her in the traditional feminine role of caretaker, he should be in the traditional masculine role of provider.

It’s different now. If I began my relationship with certain expectations and pretexts and he is now changing his, I am in no way obligated to stay.

I understand that in the old days, the secret to a happy marriage was discrete and respectful cheating until the couple was old enough everything dried up and dropped off, as neither had tools to use anymore. Also men beat their wives so this wasn’t beneficial for both parties.

Moreover, a divorce was one of the most socially disgraceful things anyone could do as it indicated some sort of abuse, or other insurmountable personal problem which left one considering themselves above the children.

Not only did it mark one as a failure but a horny divorcee meant to be kept away from all married people as well as singles too unless they wanted to pick up dirt by association. Resulting, people cheated discreetly so they could retain the “image” of a good and faithful marriage.

It was actually expected of men to cheat and some wives preferred it, as then he wasn’t underfoot making a mess of the house and everything else which needed to be kept clean for visits from the milkman, the mailman, the paperboy, the plumber, electrician, yardman, pool boy, chips man, or any other delivery man for that matter, or doctors who made house calls.

All in all, it might be said that marriage used to be quietly “open” whereas now, people are expected to be faithful.

So, it’s mostly a matter of social standards.

[MzAsh]

Ninjazzed, my grandparents had a traditional marriage. They stayed together for a long time. Growing up, it always looked like they were good together, but he died in 08 and now I’ve heard the truth from her about the way things were and what all the norms were. Pretty sad stories.

[Ninjazzed]

Yeah it’s not all it’s cracked up to be.

[TruthBringer]

@Ninjazzed Actually, traditional relationships ARE the happiest. I thought I made myself clear on that. Not sure where you're getting your information about men being more happy than women. I would like to see some sources about that. And no, this isn't a rhetorical request, but a genuine one. What is clear that you can clearly see that traditional women are generally more happy than "modern" women or women who are in "modern" relationships. See these:

http://ftp.iza.org/dp4200.pdf

www.theguardian.com/.../womens-rights-happiness-wellbeing-gender-gap

[Saph765]

Well this all comes down to the Male gaze vs the Female gaze. The male gaze, typically, is more masculine in a toxic way. Ex: Men typically find muscular builds the beauty standard for men. Whereas women tend to not necessarily have a preference and most times prefer the “dad bod” appearance in a man. Female gaze has more to do with someone’s interests and who they are as a person etc, whereas Male gaze has more to do with surface level appearances. Too much of one or the other can be a bad thing but balancing out both could be a benefit. People on both sides are very stuck in their ways because they were most likely taught that way and that way only and that any other view is wrong or seen as weak/dense. Ex: Male gaze sees men being kind to women as weak etc, whereas Female gaze sees uneducated men/one track mind men as dense. It all comes down to a lack of understanding of both men and women towards each other.

[ProCoffeeAntiSleep]

This isn’t entirely wrong but its somewhat more complex, its less to do with what is being framed as desirable than the autonomy of those represented.
So, e. g. In ‘ways of seeing’ by John Berger notes how women can be beautiful in many ways, but beauty is something not from environment, effort or desire of those around them, but of their person. The camera will assume a beautiful person is always beautiful, but an ugly one is always ugly.
So like in the post, ever photo represents a girl doing something, but all are represented as part of her fundamental character, not something that she just happens to be doing at that time. Interestingly this is something that also true for men. They are strong/ weak/ angry, but this are almost never something that is seen as true in the moment but rather shown as products of their fundamental character.
The female gaze then in theory is intended as the inversion of this, so films like the Love Witch will have very fetishizated characters, but this are represented as a product of their actions not something which is a fundamental truth. However theirs debate over wither this can really work. Mulvey, who coined the term male gaze, though that essentialism was too fundamental to the language of film to be properly subverted.

[TruthBringer]

Women who "like" dad bods like them because they are afraid of competition when they have an in shape guy. This is merely a coping mechanism.

[hellionthesagereborn]

Right, men are always peices of shit and women can do no wrong ever and are always perfect in every way. Do you not see your own hypocrisy?(of course you don't). This is what the problem is. We all can agree when a man acts like an asshole but when a woman acts like an asshole NO woman calls it out and all the men who call out the bad behavior are accused of hating women. We don't accuse you of hating men just because you literally equate masculinity with something to be ashamed of (that is what toxic masculinity is).

As for your claims, entirely false. Statistically men like women thicker then women think men do i. e. the ideal female body has more body fat then women's ideal female body. As for "female gaze", yes women do objectify men all the time and no they do not like the dad bod. This is statistically been proven. In fact one study found that while men found women to be on average, average looking (exactly what one would expect), they found that women on average found that 80% of men where BELOW average, a statistical impossibility.

[hellionthesagereborn]

In addition, while many women on dating sites stated they would ignore a profile if it had a picture of a shirtless man on it, the data shows that women consistently seek out these profiles thus showing that women are just as likely to objectify men in a sexual way as men are. In fact during the olympics multiple female centered publications actively cultivated male objectification by rating male athletes "bulges". Your claim is so laughable that its actually sad because women lie about something that is so obvious (their is a reason why every leading man in hollywood has to starve and dehydrate their bodies to get a six pack (very unhealthy compared to what women do i. e. not be obese)) and yet they think men are just that stupid to fall for it.

Your the problem here, if your unwilling to admit to your own flaws, admit to what women do, that is only going to increase the anger and frustration and division between men and women. IF you can never own up to your mistakes and flaws you will never fix them and that is what is causing this tension between men and women, not "toxic masculinity", not MGTOW, you refusing to admit your a person like every one else with all the flaws that entails.

[TruthBringer]

@hellionthesagereborn Absolutely well said! Let's see her come back from this. I'm not going to hold my breath. Our words will fall on deaf ears 9 times out of 10. These women know nothing about accountability

[hellionthesagereborn]

@TruthBringer Unfortunately most people refuse to change their views on anything, especially when they have been indocrinated with them since grade school (as feminists have). But their is always hope.

[Stephen_77]

@hellionthesagereborn Are you claiming that women are attracted to the male body just as much as what men are attracted to the female body?

[Saph765]

This conversation was about men. We can certainly have a conversation about women if you all would prefer that. But the target question of the original post was about men, so I made my answer about men. Women can absolutely be self centered and objectify men etc. It’s seen everywhere, I never said they couldn’t lmao.

[hellionthesagereborn]

No it wasn't. It was about the claim that if a man has a criticism he is some how a misogynist. That isn't about "men" that is social shaming designed to silence criticism of female behavior that is detrimental to men and society (and women themselves).

As for claiming you never stated women couldn't objectify: "The male gaze, typically, is more masculine in a toxic way. Ex: Men typically find muscular builds the beauty standard for men. Whereas women tend to not necessarily have a preference and most times prefer the “dad bod” appearance in a man. Female gaze has more to do with someone’s interests and who they are as a person etc, whereas Male gaze has more to do with surface level appearances."

That is a direct quote, you are minimizing female objecification and demonizing male "gaze" i. e. male sexual attraction to women in an attempt to make men look bad and women look good (its also objectively false). So yes, yes you did state that men objectify and women do not. Again, that was a direct quote, you don't get to pretend that didn't happen.

[Anonymous]

what most morons forget is there are real scumbag women and scumbag men in this world and the good ones are usually taken most of the time the good ones are taken. i've noticed some repetative patterns on this shithole site. 1. women look for egoboosts from simps (desperate guys looking for a woman's attention) 2. women like to branch swing monkey branch dick hop ride the cock carousel by screwing around with a 100 guys while they have a boyfriend and ask complete strangers for validation and permission for their whorish behavior 3. women who come on here and whine and complain about the guy they're with being a bad guy to them and look for any emotional tampon they can find to whine to for free therapy aka free therapist from an emotional tampon. 4. guys being misogynist towards women redpill blue pill bullshit takes place a lot with them 5. if a guy sticks up for a woman or has a girlfriend he gets viciously attacked by these keyboard warrior mgtow redpill incel bullshit losers 6. the guys on this shithole site are complete and total fucking losers redpill mgtow incel losers who desperately act like keyboard warriors and their opinions mean far less than a feminazi's opinion

[CindersFire]

I mean I don't necessarily have a problem with your disdain for MGTOW or such groups, but you have to realise that your post reeks of hipocracy. You say that your not willing to take a stance on which side is right or wrong while very clearly using words and images that show a clearly designed to favour the "Normal man".

[myTake Owner]

Fair enough. However if you think about it, it would be really hard to find images fitting for the MGTOW parts, that doesn't paint women as evil or aggressors or attackers to protect yourself from. I'd argue it might be impossible due to the extended core philosophy of MGTOW. Nevertheless these fit incels and misogynists still.

[hellionthesagereborn]

Why do you keep trolling? Is it because you find it amusing or is it because you really believe this bullshit? Either way its sad, please stop.

Pointing out that when you let women run rampant and not be held accountable for any of their actions results in a very abusive society towards women isn't hating women, its pointing out a fact. The idiocy of this is mind boggling. We would never suggest that a man raping a woman and being applauded for it is a good thing yet we actually have women who have openly admitted to raping men and being applauded for it. Pointing out that women are human beings and need to be treated as such is not men hating women, its not men being evil, its men pointing out reality. Stop with this please, you either simping or being a woman posing as a man to push this agenda isn't helping men and it sure as hell isn't helping women. Stop being sexist and have a little self respect.

[hahahmm]

OP is hoping some woman will want to have sex with him based on his posts... not realizing that feminists secretly hate soy boys.

[hellionthesagereborn]

@hahahmm That does seem to be the case. Well that or its a feminist disguised as a blue anon to push their propaganda.

[captain_voidwalker]

A wise man once said you can love women, or you can understand them. Speaking the truth about women dosen't make a man a misogynist. Whilst most men who get red pulled go through what we call the red pill rage (which is a perfectly natural reaction to realizing you've been lied to your whole life). After the rage passes we aren't misogynist, frankly we just don't care about women. Wouldn't piss in thier mouths of thier teeth were on fire. Thats about as not giving a shit as a man can get.
And to all the ladies. If men suddenly wanting to make thier lives better instead of your lives better is a problem. Guess what? Its your problem not ours.

[TruthBringer]

Absolutely well said!

[Silas_153]

I've seen quite a few of these people here at GAG:

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi2.wp.com%2Fwww.masculinedevelopment.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2018%2F12%2F1_H3a8OH1eVSIpXH5NteZFvw1.jpeg%3Fresize%3D1024%252C576&f=1&nofb=1

The Incel Scale. They actually believe that masculinity has some value, and isn't 100% completely toxic. Yes, insane, I know.

[VanillaSalt]

Sigh so a man’s toxic because their masculine. Well fuck you too.

[Silas_153]

@VanillaSalt Why are you taking this personally? I'm pretty sure you've got very low testosterone levels.

[VanillaSalt]

I’m pretty sure you don’t even know what being a man is. Bet your wife lets you have you balls on Tuesdays and Thursdays. Probably a good thing you don’t have offspring.

[KrakenAttackin]

@silas_153. Are you fucking kidding me? What you just posted is the ultimate self-hating bullshit. Do you not have eyes? Do you not see what modern females have become?

[KrakenAttackin]

@silas_153. YOU are the problem and men like you. You enable the absolute worst female behaviour and defend them no matter what. Your ilk have created the monster that is "modern female".

[TruthBringer]

@VanillaSalt The dude's profile pic says that he is single. It looks like he is trying to white knight his way towards coochiepoints lol

[TruthBringer]

A single 53 year old talking smack about other men's testosterone levels, oh the irony 😂

[Silas_153]

@KrakenAttackin Another triggered incel! Gee, they seem to be out in force today. You people really do need help. See a psychiatrist, asap!

[Silas_153]

@KrakenAttackin What the hell is your problem? I realise you're insane, but that's not my problem.

[Silas_153]

@TruthBringer There's nothing wrong with being single, and no, I'm not trying to "white-knight", because I simply have no need to.

[KrakenAttackin]

@TruthBringer No kidding. Being a damn Simp only makes you a useful idiot for narcissistic females.

[Silas_153]

@KrakenAttackin There is no such thing as a 'simp'. A 'simp' to people like you (i. e. Incels and MGTOW boys) is a male who simply treats women with decency and respect. That, to you, is 'simping'. That's how utterly INSANE you people are!
Your misogyny is disgusting, and I'm glad that people like you are finally dying out, because you're all a bunch of dinosaurs. Hell, even the dinosaurs served a purpose for a time, but the same cannot be said for you.

[KrakenAttackin]

@silas_153. Right. Just like there is no such thing as a pedophile, only men who love children.

And yes, I am comparing Simps to pedophiles.

[Silas_153]

@KrakenAttackin You really are deranged. Shall I compare Incels and MGTOW idiots to paedophiles? I may as well, because they exist too, and you're one of them. Simps don't exist, except in the warped imaginations of loser neckbeards like you.

[TruthBringer]

@silas_153 Nothing wrong with being single indeed, but engaging in white knight behavior is just absolutely pathetic. You don't have to be a white knight to respect women. It only shows weakness on your end, and no, it doesn't turn them on. The majority of white knights pander to women in hopes of getting something in return. Odds are, you're just like them.

[Silas_153]

@TruthBringer I'm not engaging in "white knight" behaviour. I'm simply being brutally honest here, telling the truth as I see it. I don't want "anything in return" (like what?) for the opinions I express here.

[TruthBringer]

@silas_153 Actions speak louder than words, mate. But whatever floats your boat ;)

[Silas_153]

@TruthBringer Your "boat" has a big hole in it, and is rapidly sinking.

[VanillaSalt]

Will you guys stop talking to this fucking nut I can’t turn off notification to this post.

[Silas_153]

@VanillaSalt See the three dots at the very top of the article, just above the title on the right, next to the light-bulb icon? You can block this topic from showing up by clicking on the dots.

[TruthBringer]

@silas_153 Sure buddy, keep on simping 😂😂

[RuralAmerican]

How do manage to get so many drama queens to gather in one place? I happened upon this site by accident and have been laughing ever since. Masculinity is not inherently evil. it's not necessarily a good thing either at least in the cases where guys exhibit the behavior in excess. Bottom line with that type is weakness. They are too weak to put in the work to let go of those toxic actions. These labels they give other guys they feel do not exhibit enough of it are ways to brush aside their own weakness. I have and will look you straight in the eye and tell you that to your faces. As a matter of fact There are about a dozen of this type I have picked up along the way that I guess will glare at me every time we encounter each other until the end. The one thing those so-called alpha males has not found the courage to do is try it again. It's pathetic watching their behavior and the anger that resides in many of them. All I have for those of you with the hate and anger issues that look down on others that don't exhibit the same as less somehow is to tell you what I have for years and will continue to tell you and that is quit being so weak. It's pathetic the level of fear you carry around inside you. You cannot treat your partner as a complete equal because it's seen as (insert excuse) You simply cannot compromise because it's seen as weakness and the list your weaknesses goes on and on. I do all of those things and it's rare one of you so-called alpha males step up and to this date your team is running 0 for about 30. The only thing you all have in common is this anger and disgust inside you towards a guy that dares laugh and acts in a manner you don't consider alpha enough. Have your anger I will walk my path and continue to feel sorry for those of you not strong enough to let go of the anger for fear of being seen as... Who knows maybe some day down the road one of you might actually pull it off for the small price of a living lifetime of fear.

[Anonymous]

I agree. I have seen mgtow guys who view any man as simp if he does not hate women and marry women. Simp originally meaned a guy who worshipp women but nowdays if you are nice to your girlfriend, you are called simp. Players are seen as alphas aka ultimate goal for many mgtow guys in my experience -so they are ok with playing with women for sex but hate women who do the sama aka play with men for money. You can look up mgtow channels on youtube and look at the commentsection. If the genders were reversed and so women act like this, they would be called feminazis. Anyway it is good thst they dont procreate and so they get eliminated forever

[SlightlyEccentric]

A fair enough point

[Stephen_77]

The covid vaccines will kill off most of humanity anyway.

[Opinion Owner]

Hey stephie, why are you spamming people. Retards like yoz and real feminazis should be out on island - yes real feminazis since critizising some men make retards like you call you feminazi. I am really done with incels like you who blame all women for their failure in dating life. No wonder why the number of feminazis increase

[Stephen_77]

Your comment shows that you have mental health problems and very low intelligence.

[Opinion Owner]

No, i just talk in your "language". I know that i can't discuss with stupid insane incels like you. I have seen you spamming many other female gagers. So just stfu and i know what kind of people you are. I have been on gag many years. I know how people like you are and that is why i am not going to talk normal with idiots like you since it is pointless. So this is why i rather troll fags like you

[Opinion Owner]

Maybe i am little unfair to you. If you prove me that you want to discuss with me with in normal nice way, i will give you chance. Whenever i was very nice to people like you, i only get insulted and these people were rude to me. Since then i ain't nice. Your first post under my comment is troll. So you probably a troll. I am not going to nice to trolls

[Opinion Owner]

"Your comment shows that you have mental health problems and very low intelligence " says the one who spam many other female gagers and blame their dating failure on whole female population. Sorry but how should i take you serious when you literally hate women?

[Opinion Owner]

Just tell me whether you want to discuss with me or not. I promise to be nice then.😊🙂 Maybe i should not be that harsh and rude to you

[Stephen_77]

It's okay, I understand. Your daddy dropped you on your head when you was a baby and now you hate all men. You're as mad as a box of frogs.

[Opinion Owner]

Disliking incels like you dont make me a man hater, idiot. By this logic everyone is antiwoman for disliking feminazis, cunt. You ain't a man. You are a little boy that blame all women for your own stupidity and immature behaviour since women want men, not boys like you. Fuck off now. I knew that you just wanna troll like a fucktard. The way you insult is kinda cute lool

[WomenAreInfants]

" if you are nice to your girlfriend, you are called simp.", define 'nice' in this context. please.

I think a man is a simp if he let's his girl walk on him and denigrate his manhood, especially in front of others.

[WomenAreInfants]

Using the word 'insel' as an insult toward a man PROVES that you hate men. It's worse than a man using the 'C' word toward women.

You hate men, it's irrefutable. Get help or get some more cats.

[WomenAreInfants]

*incel

[Opinion Owner]

Who tf are. Stop spamming idiot. The word simp is overused/misused. This is a fact.

[Opinion Owner]

"Using the word 'insel' as an insult toward a man PROVES that you hate men. It's worse than a man using the 'C' word toward women." Every shit is nowdays antiman. You have to be a simp to be not seen as feminazi. Are you hating women when you use insults such as wh*re, sl*t, etc since it is sexist.. I am not politically correct when i insult, piece of shit. Dont annoy me

"You hate men, it's irrefutable. Get help or get some more cats." Fuck off fucktard. Typical incel insult. Go get yourself help instead of seeing every shit as antiman

[Opinion Owner]

Your profilname is a proof what an incel you are

[Opinion Owner]

By the way i call this person an incel for a reason. I have read his another posts too. Oh wait are you is another account or what? You are1 level.

[420Rachel]

Eh. I don't care. Doesn't effect my personal life. 😂 All of this incel, MGTOW, redpill/blackpill horseshit is irrelevant to me unless it actually effects me. I do however find it amusing 😂 I'm just trying to live my best life while all these losers waste their days away behind a computer screen complaining about women. I'd rather interact with people who don't have a distorted sense of reality.

[Stephen_77]

Fake as a three dollar bill

[420Rachel]

Haters gon' hate 😎

[Stephen_77]

Liars gon' lie

[420Rachel]

Explain please 😂

[Stephen_77]

Because you accused MGTOW of having a distorted sense of reality. And that is a big fat lie.

[420Rachel]

No? They hate all women in general just like the incels. Maybe they're not as extreme with their views but still. Good and bad people come from all walks of life, both male and female. Generalizing and hating a whole group of people, especially nearly a whole half of the Earth's population, is just ridiculous. 😂

[Stephen_77]

And that is a blatant lie. Where is your evidence thAT MGTOW hate all women?

[420Rachel]

Please enlighten me then. As far as I was aware they're just a step away from the ideology of the incels. And I know for a fact that pretty much all of the incels hate all female humans.

[googleplus]

until you break GODS law and are judged

[420Rachel]

Huh?

[googleplus]

look for the video

[Stephen_77]

So now you're picking on incels. If women don't like the way incels are, then they shouldn't deprive them of sex. It's women who created incels.

[googleplus]

@Stephen_77

what the heck does incels have to do with anything lol

[420Rachel]

How is stating facts picking on them? 😂 And I don't know who "created" them or whatever. I don't care about them and I don't feel sorry for them. Their mindset is absolutely disgusting. And it's the train of thought they possess that makes people see them in a negative light, not the fact that they are virgins. It must be exhausting to be that hateful all the time.

[Stephen_77]

But it's women who are depriving incels of the cure. Women stubbornly refuse to give them sex or make it very difficult for an incel to get laid. If women continue to withhold the cure, then they will just create more incels in the world.

[420Rachel]

Well I can't speak for all women but I'm attracted to what I'm attracted to. If I don't find someone attractive in some way I'm not going to have a desire to sleep with him. It's not something that can be forced. You can't make people do things they don't want to do.

[Stephen_77]

Yer but that's just a selfish attitude to have. If I came across a woman that I didn't find that attractive but I knew she was craving for sex, out of kindness and compassion I would give it to her. As human beings we should try to help others rather than just focus on our own needs.

[Anonymous]

Sometimes society is unfair. I know this guy. His name is Ethan. My best friend dated him. He is so generous. Paid for the whole table which was embarrassing for me because ahh he's not my boyfriend and I barely knew him. Anyways I really admired his willing to impress and provide. He is always a gentleman to my friend and everyone around him. However she broke up with him and I still don't understand why. I just hope he didn't get hurt and bitter about being dumped. He's a great guy and I hope he finds love someday. Anyways the point of this rant is, sometimes girls ruin good guys. There is hope though, just try not to stay bitter. The world has good and bad people. It just takes time to find the one.

[Stephen_77]

This is the main reason I gave up on women 17 years ago, they dump or shit on the good guys and go for the bad guys, and then complain when it backfires on them. Women are really screwed up.

[AFellowWeeb]

women do not want to be treated right, they are unsatisfiable, specially with the hook up culture raising more and more. You could literally be like jason mamoa and a girl would still dump you for no reason, women aren't worth it nowadays

[Stephen_77]

@AFellowWeeb So true.

[Ninjazzed]

Then again, I’ve known plenty of great women that have been crushed by shitty men simply because they low-key just wanted sex. Swings both ways.

Every guy wants to paint himself as the “good guy” but doesn’t want to keep up the act.

[Stephen_77]

@Ninjazzed Because it's women who go for the bad men and reject the good men.

[yofuknutz]

This is defined as a culture War

[Ninjazzed]

@Stephen_77 There is no such thing as a good man. Only men who want to be perceived as such.

[Stephen_77]

@Ninjazzed Ok, then there's no such thing as a good woman.

[AFellowWeeb]

@Ninjazzed dont give sex easely, women normally give up sex easely to attractive guys. If the guy you're interested in/ you're thinking about sleeping with him trying to stay with him, has a lot of girls on his dms, dont have sex with him, he's not interested in something serious.

[AFellowWeeb]

@Ninjazzed nt

[Ninjazzed]

@AFellowWeeb It doesn’t matter if you wait a few days or a few years to have sex, my point being that men lie to get what they want.. and what they want is casual sex. That’s not misandry, that’s just a truth of nature. Men in their teenage years aren’t focused on anything else but sex because of the influx of new testosterone.

Pretending you want a commitment when you really don't, to get sex, is a pretty shitty thing to do.

Guys are strange creatures. Most guys don’t want a woman who is into casual sex, because men are very territorial and often don’t want to share. They would rather opt for a “long term hookup” AKA they get all the benefits of an intimate relationship with none of the commitment.

This is why women are actively choosing to avoid getting into relationships with men because it’s just a waste of time.

[AFellowWeeb]

@Ninjazzed 30% of western men are virgins by the age of 26, your point? Go for lonely men if you want commitment, ho wait, they aren't apealing to you

[Ninjazzed]

@AFellowWeeb My point is that "lonely men" are lonely for a reason. You do the math.

[Gespenster_division]

[D_Bone_Steak]

You conflate misogynists with red pillers and MGTOW in this. They don't hate women overall, unless they're going through the infamous red pill rage. It's more about just understanding female behavior than anything else. True behavior versus what Disney/media/etc has tried to brain wash men into thinking. Thus the whole blue pilled/red pilled stuff.

[Losat]

I remember going through red pill rage. It was freaking horrible. Now I just kinda shrug and roll my eyes at a lot of the crap I see.

[SomeGuyCalledTom]

I feel like I just read the opening paragraph of an unfinished argument. What exactly is your point? I don't think "simping" should be rewarded or thought of as "normal" behavior. But being a mysoginistic pig should also not be rewarded or encouraged. I think the "middle way" is the best way: a man who has a backbone and his own standards and opinions, but who recognises his duty of care towards the woman or women he's involved with romantically or platonically.

[TruthBringer]

This is so-far one of the best comments

[mandylou]

These men are the ones who think all women are whores or pieces of meat that want to play a guy, and just like guys can be players so can girls. But to respect a woman, a good decent woman, and love her, is not weak nor is hating women and feeling bitterness strong. All people are on ranges of good, evil, selfish, kind, caring, loving, hostile, etc. It is the human condition. It is not a male condition or a female one.

[Jaysonava]

I think this has to do with the broader issue of America's endless opportunities, shrinking middle class, and and the bad living standard for low waged people.

Basically, nowadays there is a big drop between the middle class and the lower class making it difficult for people to feel secure in their income level.

Marry that with how there is, to this day, an unquantifiable number of monetary opportunities for any given person.

Opportunities in dating as well as income have made a lot of men anxious about their prospects and have imbued them with a fear of missing out. Same with women. Same with beautiful women.

[Goatmeal]

Ignoring for a moment the simping (yes, Reddit incels can be nuts, but so can feminists), those pictures are all arguably a bit sexist. All the women aree conventionally attractive. All the women are made up and styled and smiling. I would have trouble distinguishing them from the girls hired to welcome business travelers at conventions.