Ignoring for a moment the simping (yes, Reddit incels can be nuts, but so can feminists), those pictures are all arguably a bit sexist. All the women aree conventionally attractive. All the women are made up and styled and smiling. I would have trouble distinguishing them from the girls hired to welcome business travelers at conventions.
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Look Stephen_77 was wrong about his second comment, both genders are victims in different ways. Women sadly receive less opportunities and men are sadly more likely to have their emotions pushed deep inside them from the start. But he was right about men becoming misogynistic because of misandry from men and women. If a man is forced to be masculine and a man is assumed to be sexist just because he is a man then he will strike back and put the blame on all women because of stereotypes. Both men and women suffer from sexism and there will be no end to it for anyone if people keep attacking each other with bias opinions.
The #1 criteria, at the top of the list of 534 other expectations, that women expect of a man before she will consider dating him is if he has a job. Many dating poles, for decades, prove this. Then womyn make excuses for why this gold digger attitude is justified, while men have very few expectations from women, and her employment status is a negligible factor.
Putting gold digger photos in the misogynist column is purely gas lighting. Is it derogatory toward rattle snakes to think they might bite you?
Women place expectations on men that are very difficult or impossible to meet, I. E. high wealth and height.
What men want from women are far more attainable by women, I. E. being attractive and having a nice personality.
There was a study done once where men were shown pictures of random women & women were shown pictures of random men. In 100% of cases the women tried to guess the profession of the man. Men just commented on whether they found the woman hot or not. Ha ha ha.
The same patriarchy that damages women is the same that damages men.
The trope that certain men who don’t do “traditionally masculine” activities are effeminate and pathetic, is just another way that the patriarchy oppresses men though their own misogyny.
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This isn't even about any patriarchy at this point. What you described is what I call toxic masculinity.
Yes, evil men are responsible for every bad thing in the world because as we all know women cannot in anyway be held accountable for their own actions, actions are something men take and women are just objects who are acted upon. Or we can acknowledge reality that their is no patriarchy (you have no way of defning it or can show any objective measure of it), people act certain ways and yes that means that women can have "toxic femininity" and do (which is why you refuse to own up to your actions or acknowledge the wrongs that women do because of your toxic femininity).
This is just you projecting emotional epithets at this point.
Accountability is a man’s kryptonite, obviously. They never held themselves accountable for inventing the patriarchy in the first place. So they simply pretend it doesn’t exist.
There is just no patriarchy in your reality. Dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.
The way patriarchy hurts men and has always hurt men is it imposes a dominance hierarchy on men. The higher you are on the hierarchy, the more masculine and valid you are, and the lower you are the less you are worth.
If you're a man, you are ranked on the man hierarchy and where you are ranked determines who you can push around, who you are allowed to punish and who can punish you.
A man's ranking is traditionally determined by how good at aggressive violence and fighting he is, but it can also be determined by intellectual and interpersonal achievements which give you social power.
To exist as a man in the patriarchal hierarchy means you have to use your social power to assert and defend your place on the hierarchy by pushing around and socially punishing the men below you, while the men above you assert their place by pushing you around and punishing you for your occasional insolence and disrespect. That is the essence of patriarchal masculinity.
Things like homophobia and emotional repression that we associate with late twentieth century masculinity are not timeless measures of masculinity -- those things have changed and fluxed over the years and always vary by social class.
What never changes for men under patriarchy is the hierarchical men's ranking which involves a lot of fighting and jockeying for status and pushing others around while getting punished by those men above you.
Toxic masculinity, expectations such as “being the breadwinner/provider”, etc is all a direct result of a Patriarchal society.
@hellionthesagereborn Patriarchy means that men are more in power and more valued. That doesn't mean that the specifics don't change.
Essentially the way it works in most places today is that the patriarchy feels as though they get the power to hand out "man" cards, and have the ability to take them away if they think you're not properly representing the “virtuous” title of "man".
How the patriarchy operates today will look different, because things change over time and over cultures. That doesn't mean that it's not still the same general idea.
Anyway, it just seems like you’re being intentionally disingenuous.
Misandry and misogynism are equally the same in nature as they are in action.
Any form of supremacy is a threat to the well being and peace of others, as well as a fascist view in life.
So if you think women should have more rights then men, that is called misandry. That is Female Supremacy! And it is in nature fascist!
If anybody thinks men should have more rights than women, that is misogynism, and is Male Supremacy, which is fascist!
So question, is NeoFeminism focused on equal rights still? Is it focused on achieving the same rights as men, or achieving more rights than men?
If you seek to achieve more rights than the male gender, then you will never be equal to men, because there would be unbalance.
So if NeoFeminism is truly focused on equality, and not just trying to "stick it to the man" for lack of a better term (see what I did there), then NeoFeminism isn't true feminism, it is a gender charged supremacy, is fascist, and brings inequity to the common American.
I support equal rights 10,000%, HOWEVER, when will equal be equal?
You have more employment opportunities than males, women have a higher employment rate than males in the US, because yes it is sexist, but it's in your favor as a female.
You even have more LEGAL rights than males in most US states, including Ohio, which our court system favors the female first. Which, by the way, 92% of the prison population in the US is made up of Males, and don't say it's because we are more violent, but it's because women get different treatment in the courtroom!
The health system even favors the female before the male, in which they get treatment more accurately and faster than males.
I'm willing to say that educational opportunities for women, are more available than for men.
But if men were to fight for men's rights, I garuntee you would label it misogynism or hate speech, because you don't want to hear, nor do you care about when men have trouble with!
That includes the same men, straight men, that support your femenist Rallies.
The only time feminism has been in favor of men's rights, is when it comes to Gay men's rights. And that makes feminism flawed and guilty of not only double standards, but also of Stereotyping males.
So your misandry in itself is disgusting, and you should be ashamed. 😁
@yoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyo It seems as though you sorely missed the point.. you’re equivocally wrong. Only one of those is true. Women have more advantage when it comes to education.
Overall, you sound very confused and sorely deluded.
Men take their rights for granted, they were born with all of their rights intact while women have had to actively fight for them. Men have total body autonomy, meaning complete choice over their own bodies.. and don’t have to deal with getting sexually assaulted.
Women get raped not because they wear "slutty clothes" but because they are seen as weak and vulnerable. Women are seen as sex objects. Men rape fully clothed women.
Rapists rape a victim not because the victim is attractive enough to arouse rapists; it is because rapists know that they CAN rape the victim.
It is a predatory relationship where rapists see themselves as more powerful and therefore, they can do whatever they want to the victim. To add, this is why rape was used as weapon in colonization & wars.
Systematic rape of women is one of the military tactics used to suppress and take over communities.
Rape does not only destroy the victim; it demoralizes the whole community.
It either creates an atmosphere of fear or perpetuates victim blaming, or both.
Rape and the rape culture actually victimize everyone every single time it happens.
Again, rape is not about lust. It is about patriarchy and power. And women are twice as affected by it. I see way too many MEN trying to justify it.
@yoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyo Yes or no question: can men be expected to control their libidos?
If no, they are inherently dangerous.
If yes, explain why “but it’s hard for men not to assault a woman” was a point worth making.
Because that’s usually the argument that I hear the most.
It strikes me, by the way, that saying "men have an inherently harder time not committing sexual assault than women" IS saying "men just suck." If you had said the same about black people, you'd be racist. Why give men so little respect?
YES I REALIZE THAT MEN ARE RAPED TOO AND I ALSO WANT THEM TO GET THE JUSTICE THEY SO RICHLY DESERVE BUT IF THE ONLY TIME YOU TALK ABOUT RAPE OF MEN IS AS A RESPONSE TO RAPE OF WOMEN THEN YOU DONT CARE ABOUT RAPE AT ALL AND YOUR FALSE ADVOCACY ONLY ERODES THE MOVEMENT YOU CLAIM TO SUPPORT.
@yoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyo That’s your shitty, twisted take on feminism. Men exhibit the victim mentality for absolutely no reason. Yes, men can be oppressed.
Nobody is denying this.
But usually in ways that also oppressed women. Their oppression is more like a consequence of privilege. For example: When male victims of domestic abuse or sexual violence are not believed or mocked. Yeah, that's oppression. But that oppression stems from patriarchal structures of masculinity/femininity which dictate that women are weak and men are powerful and incapable of being victimized.
@yoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyo Also, that they are always after sex because women are constructed as sex objects. That of course doesn't detract from a man's experience of oppression.
The only difference being that women has been oppressed by men for thousands of years and are still considered second class citizens in many places on the planet, so women actually have a really fucking good reason to be pissed off about men and have a “victim mentality” so to speak, because it’s ingrained.
Women are equally intelligent, but have been oppressed for tens of thousands of years.
How could this have happened? Did they not tell anyone? Did men simply ignore the people in their lives they cherished most?
Because women have babies and nurse children? They started from a position of inequality as they’re forced to do all this extra work. It makes it easy to marginalize them.
Before modern democracy and law and civilization, power came primarily from physical strength. Whoever wins in a fight makes the rules. Men are just on average much bigger and stronger. All other forms of oppression (e. g. religion, child care) stem from there.
And no, you'll find that a constant in human history is that those with an imbalance of power in their favour will abuse it and not give it up. So men did not listen.
So physical power is meaningless against a person you love, who you let into your own home, who you trust to take care of your children. Women could just poison their husbands when they were sleeping.
Nobody is trying to gain more rights than men, we’re trying to gain the rights that men take for GRANTED.
@yoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyo There’s also a reason that men are more imprisoned and face longer sentences, because men account for most of the crime and commit the worst out of those crimes.
Domestic violence is the leading cause of death for women, at the hands of men.
Women make up more than 50% of the population, yet commit 14% of homicides. Soo I’m gonna hazard a guess and say we barely talk about it because women aren’t stabbing, shooting, and beating men to death. 🙂
Being a woman is dangerous because men are dangerous.. that goes for every single race.
@yoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyo Women don’t have a higher edge than men when it comes to employment.
Under normal circumstances, we recognize the corporate world for what it is, but in the context of gender equality—we want to think it's something it isn't.
If being a corporate executive was simply about business smarts and hard work, it would be hard to explain why women aren't better represented apart from plain old sexism.
I think rather than asking why an advanced society doesn't have more women doing this work, we should be asking why an advanced society places this kind of work as the pinnacle of individual achievement with the highest pay and professional accolades.
Being entitled means oppressing an entire demographic and shitting on feminism because they’re actively trying to undo your mistakes in the first place, and this deeply rouses you because it is a direct threat to your privilege.
Companies are more likely to hire a man. This is still a form of oppression.
For example, if a boss is more likely to hire men because they're afraid a young woman will quickly get pregnant and take family leave soon after being hired, then a man who gets a job instead of a woman has privilege, but the boss who made the decision is responsible for the oppressing.
While there is a connection, they're two separate things and privilege is more of a product of oppression than a generator of it.
Are you not taking the victim mentality right now? Do you feel attacked about the men's perspective on the movement?
I will not speak for predatorial men because this scum deserve to be kept away from society, the sex offenders among others who try to obstruct the liberties of any American.
And you just said a self conflicting statement. How are you going to say men have full control over being sexually assaulted? After just saying you understand we get sexually assaulted? Not only are men sometimes sexually assaulted by other men, but what about those who are assaulted by women? You think it right for them to physically defend themselves? Or are you to say that is wrong too? So how do you expect a male to defend themselves from sexual assault? I was sexually assaulted by my own aunt as a child!! But you don't know anything about that, do you?
I'm not defending sexual assault by saying that. I'm stating a fact. That happened.
And men are seen as sex objects too, we get sexualized by being shirtless in public!
And yes there's men can't control themselves and if you ask me, they need mental health help!!
But I CAN control myself, hell, as much as I answer questions on here related to sex, because I've been in a lot of relationships, I haven't even laid with a woman in almost 3 years!! AND IM IN MY PRIME!!
And by the way, all it takes is an accusation to put somebody in prison nowadays. So yes women are favored in court, and that is because we have adjusted to trying to fix the problems in society with sexual assault, isolate these problems, and extinguish them...
And by the way, women are employed more than men, because they are socially taught and seen to be not only better with people, but easier to manage things and keep things organized. In this decade, there are more female executives and business owners, I don't know about YOUR community, but in MY community for sure!!
You want to argue about sick leave, but men actually like to work. We are less likely to call off, shown on statistics, than females, and this is recorded by corporate companies recording the clock punches of their employees!!
Once again, I'm saying EQUALITY for both genders. Meaning SAME EVERYTHING!! So if you can accuse somebody of rape in court and make a scene with no evidence, like we've seen several times with celebrities, among others, then if men do the same you should be able to receive the same capitol punishment.
Because you ALSO are an American. Because you ALSO are a Human Being.
If you don't believe in True and Just Equity to the Civility of the American Movement, then maybe you and all your feminist friends, should find a island and declare a new government there!! Just like how the Island of Lesbos became a country!!
"According to Greek mythology, the island was the birthplace of the hero Lesbos. The island features in the Trojan War story of Homer's Iliad, notably when Agamemnon offers Achilles, amongst other things, seven women from Lesbos skilled in handicrafts, in order to persuade the hero to rejoin the conflict"
@yoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyo You are using nothing but bias. Thanks for empowering my thesis with several walls of bullshit.
I’ve already spoke my peace. Maybe more women get employed where YOU live but that doesn’t account for the rest of society.
And no, nobody is living on an island anywhere.. if you don’t like the gynocentric society we have, which clearly you say it is, and since you’re the one with the problem, maybe you’re the one that belongs on the MGTOW island of trash.
Also women have a good reason to have a victim mentality, this is this shit men like you have to use to pretend to be victims.
Also, no. I never said men could control if they get sexually assaulted or not, but taking their gender into consideration, they have a better chance of defending themselves.
Rape is thought of someone forcefully penetrating someone, or something that a man does to a woman. Women have more pain during sex than men do. So women raping men? But how often does this happen? Next to never.
So, for instance, if a woman broke into a man's house with a gun, held it on him and made him have sex with her while under the threat of being shot, that would be coercing him into sex with her, which would be rape.
Erections are also involuntary. For instance, a person who is unconscious can still get hard. Men who have broken their backs and cannot move their lower bodies are still capable of sexual stimulation and having sex. A woman who drugs a man and then has sex with him while he's passed out is raping him, and is having non-consensual vaginal sex. This would all be considered rape.
But 9/10, men are raped by OTHER men.. not women.
You were assaulted as a child? Therein lies a big difference. As a child you are powerless, as a man you probably could have prevented it from happening.
@yoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyo With the false accusations, that is utter bullshit.. you can’t be convicted without evidence of some sort.. a rape kit or an eye witness. That is bullshit being spread and perpetuated by the same men whenever anyone brings up the topic of rape. You cannot be convicted without evidence PERIOD because charges will be dropped and the accuser will end up facing the consequences.
The same idiot who refused to believe women were oppressed, so you tried to downplay our history but claiming that men are somehow oppressed by their own system?
No, its not. In fact quite the opposite. Your sexist, you hate men, thats all their is to it. So when a man doesn't like being treated like shit and looked down on by a woman (as you have done) you call it toxic masculinity that is a man who dares stand up for himself and not see himself as uniquely flawed because of his gender. That was my point, if anything we have toxic femininity, that is where a woman, instead of owning her shit owning her actions and treating men like they are actually human beings instead opts to blame men for everything, even going so far as to blame what women do on men as well (you would call this victim blaming if the genders where reversed). Its when a woman refuses to take responsibility for her actions, refuses to see that she is flawed not because she is a woman but because she is human instead opting to believe that because she has a vagina that she is above reproach and above being questioned and most of all she is above being "flawed". You are exhibiting all the signs of toxic femininity, that is why I brought it up.
Its actually ironic that you talk about men not being accountable as men are the ONLY ones accountable for their actions, literally every statement you have made has been to divest yourself of accountability for your actions, to divest women as a whole of accountability, and to then claim that you are nothing more then an object that is acted upon but which never acts hence you blaming men and "patriarchy" i. e. men for literally everything up to and including the things that women do to men.
As for your claims of patriarchy, well they are idiotically stupid and only a sociopathic liar OR a complete moron would make such claims. First and foremost, that is not "patriarchy" that creates a heirachy that is EXISTENCE. Their is no social group or structure in the entire world that does not have a heiarchy that is including women's social grouping and interactions. So that is incorrect. Two why would you blame men for what is biologically innate? Also while we are on the subject why would you pretend that women are some how exempt from this?
In addition it is women who benefit from everything at every turn. That is a fact of life, women have longer lifespans, are healthier, work less, get paid more, are the first ones saved in a time of crisis and unlike men never are sacrificed for the opposite gender or society (this is all objective fact). So we have a better argument for a gynocentric society, you know, on account of all the statistical data we have plus the fact that women have more legal rights then men. Again, you have to be either sociopathicly evil or a complete moron to make the claims and arguments you make.
I mean take your claims of punishing men beneath you in the social heirachy, that is provably false. First off studies consistently show that those who succeed are the ones who are most willing to work with others (kind of puts a hole in that theory of yours). Studies also show that while men have conflict they are far more ready to resolve those issues and patch things up unlike women who almost never do so.
Also its rather sexist to claim that men are homophobic uniquely. That is bullshit and you know it, yet another sexist claim (what else is new).
Also emotional supression is NOT something that masculinity or men endorse, its what WOMEN endorse. Studies consistently show women prefer men who are not emotional (hell they consistently rate men who frown as more attractive). The only reason why men have emotional issues is because of people like you who tell them they are worthless peices of shit all the time, tell them that they are what is wrong with the world. Would you go to a therapist and seek help from people who tell you your the root cause of every problem? Of course not, so men do not open up to women, the group they traditionally did open up to, because women are now toxic.
But again, you prove that women refuse to own up to their actions. Men don't demand to work themselves to death to provide for women, WOMEN DO. It is women who refuse to marry men who make less money then them (this is a scientific fact that has been shown to be the case over and over again). It is women who are unhappy when their husbands make less or when their husbands are stay at home dads. Its women who demand that men pay for dates. Yet here you are trying to blame men for it so you can keep your hands clean and keep telling yourself that YOU are perfect because after all how could you not be perfect, you have a vagina.
@hellionthesagereborn Men are never accountable for their actions, hence why you don’t believe oppression is real for women. A sure sign of the times. Most people aren't good people so that definitely includes men.
I literally cringe everytime someone says "boys will be boys”, or my all time favorite, "she didn't say no". As if that’s how consent works. If you weren’t so biased then you’d be able to see it in plain sight.
The system was set up by men, to benefit men, and controlled by men who have a death grip on it and will never willingly give up even an inch. Ever. "Good men" "not all men" and "him too" are all not so subtle whataboutism's designed to derail even conversations with each other.
If you don't you risk being sealioned to death, or labeled an angry woman. Of course we're angry.
If you do even a basic Google search on the "manosphere" and "mens rights" you'll find a mind boggling amount of frankly terrifying and sickening content by men and for men that is more than a pushback response to feminism but quite literally a "push us all off the nearest cliff" response.
They weaponized the message that "men should fear how rampant false rape accusations are" and is in my opinion simply fear of actual rape accusations, since false accusations are statistically virtually nonexistent. 0.1%.
Never mind that as you said but men are rarely held accountable anyway. But they want total immunity to behave as they wish, no reprisals, and what better way is there than to hijack the crime of rape and make it about themselves as both victims of rape and victims of women who lie about rape.
Leaving us more worried about not being "that girl" (another mrm slogan) and unfairly putting all men in the rapist basket, than our own dire situation.
Nothing will change for us until we change everything for us and after that, then we can worry about "Not all men"
@hellionthesagereborn Holding men accountable also includes unfriending those and refusing to be around those who say bigoted or sexist things.
You’re still holding them accountable by taking your presence in their life away from them. But of course you would never take the first step in doing this.
There are always excuses when a man/boy doesn't want to accept your "no"; he is in love, he is mentally unstable (imagine using that as an excuse, guys do it apparently), he doesn't know any better, you probably didn't say no properly, etc.
This is me talking about a guy who harassed me for months, who publicly tried to hug me, touched me, tried to feed me handmade stuff, stalked me, followed me after school.
I named numerous eye witnesses, other girls who were harassed, etc. and it wasn't until another male friend confirmed what I said that this person was convinced their friend was fucking weird towards girls. The excuse was "I couldn't believe what you said because I guess he only told me selected stuff he did to girls, girls are rude to non attractive guys from the start for little things." when I gave numerous eye witnesses, how I treated him kindly at the start, how I was traumatized.
One of those times he was a witness as well, but I guess he forgot. Almost like men don't give a fuck women feel threatened, until they are.
There is also the fact that some of these guys will empathize with harassers. Because they understand the urge, the need to fucking bully and harass women they are "in love with". Even if they wouldn't do it themselves, they understand the want.
They can't sympathize with a girl being afraid but they can sympathize with a guy harassing a girl who clearly said no, whose only mistake was fucking existing.
So remind me again how men are held accountable and women aren’t oppressed? You may blindly condone it but I won’t.
@hellionthesagereborn Guys, especially younger guys, can't wrap their mind around what women go through, how their actions impact women in the long run.
No one wants to think of themselves as the creep, so when hearing second hand stories about two people: one is a bit like them, but slightly more careless/rude/aggressive and the other is living an experience they can't relate to, they are going to emphasize with the person more like them.
Thinking back to younger me, I would have responded better to "can you help keep Kevin away from me, I don't feel safe" then a demand to cut someone from my life. I actually remember a friend asking me that, and I immediately started noticing how off he actually was and cut him off.
Sorry, men should be held accountable. Yeah, it’s ironic isn’t it?
Feel free to hop off my thread and believe in those silly lies fed to you by your man cult.
@hellionthesagereborn Also women don’t demand that men work like slaves.. men have yet again made themselves providers, but of course you’re too stupid to acknowledge this. Calling women “gold diggers” for something you created is inherently sexist. Men have always worked, whether if it was for the benefit of themselves or women. It’s definitely not up to the woman.
@yoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyo Whatever, Chad. Any woman that points out blatant toxic male behavior is what you call a feminist. They make medication for insecure dudebros like you.
Men love telling women that they have the best quality of life today that women have ever had so they should stop fighting for total equality.
Any system that damages both genders by its design cannot be said to be patriarchal in nature, by definition. The root of society's ills is corruption itself, because human nature is easily corruptible from within. As long as people carry greed, envy, and the desire for destruction and vengeance in their hearts, then society will corrode from the inside. Its not a gendered issue. Its a human issue.
Well it's clear you don't know what your talking about. Since you can't keep the labels apart. Please invest time to understand the subject before spreading misconceptions like this.
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This post is nothing more than a jab at men who don’t kiss feminism’s rear end. Criticizing feminism doesn’t make someone a misogynist as there are many women who also criticize feminism. Because women aren’t synonymous with feminism.
From my experience, Usually if a man hates feminism, there is a high chance he has a problem with an independent women. (The type of guys who hate female CEOs or successful women) Trust me I don't date those types of guys.
@Anonymous this entire post is a cope trying to demonize a group of people because they happened to make fun of him and his simp behavior. Hence why this entire post is one big strawman
@Ayanna240 No, it's because a lot of these so called "independent women" are still happy to take a man's money and screw him over financially in a divorce.
@Ayanna240 And from my experience women who identify as feminists tend to hate men and even want to reduce men to second class citizens. I don’t date those kind of women.
@Opinion owner I can say the same for you. You assume that every feminist is anti man, nasty and disgusting.
Most guys in the real world who have nothing against women, HAVE NOTHING AGAINST FEMINISM. These are the good guys. From my experience, guys who shit on feminism , have something against women in power.
@Ayanna240 More assumptions. Most guys actually don’t trust feminism because it’s an anti male ideology that aims at reducing men to second class citizens or even exterminating men.
Just read the scum manifesto which is blatant feminist misandry. By the way, SCUM manifesto is the feminist version of Hitler’s Mein Kampf.
You’re a fkin idiot! You have no idea WTF you’re talking about! people like you is why guys like me left Canada! A misandry nation that women are misandry. Masculinity is bad? Go watch lion king and see what happened after the male lion died. You sound like a feminist cunt! Go to Iran tons of work for you there.
Seriously though, virtually ever tyrannical government that has ever existed was led by men. Examples include: Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mussolini, Napoleon, the Ayatollah, Putin, Xi, Mao, Ghenghiz Khan, Attila the Hun, Hirohito and Pinochet, to list just a few. How many were women? Less than 0.5% You don't know what you're talking about Mr. Incel. The historical evidence supports my view, not yours.
They’re the same people who pay feminism and BLM and LGBQ to destroy men. What you’re saying is like MS13 gang will come to my house to rap3 me. So we need to remove all masculinity. So therefore no one will save me. That’s exactly what happened to Sweden! Feminism attacked masculinity so much. That when criminals from Africa that were tiled as (refugees) came and rap3d Sweden young girls as young as 10 there will no masculine men to push back! Couple of them would even post their activities on FB live challenging anyone to stop them. And no one did. Until cops came later on.. and made a soft arrest and they were let off after 1 day. I suggest researching something before you open your fkin trap!
Explain to me how masculinity is a threat to tyranny, even though ALL the evidence says otherwise. Go on. You dare to accuse me of being illogical and not presenting an argument, even though the one who makes the claim (in this case YOU) is the one who needs to present the evidence for the point of view they're arguing for.
"What you’re saying is like MS13 gang will come to my house to rap3 me. So we need to remove all masculinity. So therefore no one will save me. That’s exactly what happened to Sweden!" Wow. That's retarded beyond belief! You think that absent the existence of masculine men, there would be no one to save you, but you've completely ignored the FACT that masculine men are always the ones who do the raping in the first place.
I'm not fat at all. I'm slim, trim, have ALL my hair, don't watch crappy "news" programmes that spread misinformation, completed college, have my own house, am fairly well off, etc. Not a loser at all. Not an incel. Unlike you.
There’s a lot of evidence that showcase women are becoming increasingly narcissistic with modern culture. Most modern women can be fun, but make horrible partners. I’m glad I found a good one.
To be honest this is oblivious nonsense. Misogyny is nothing to do with the fact that some women do exploit men. Just ask Johnny Depp.
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MGTOW and feminism are two sides of the same hate driven sexist coin. Anyone who writes something against one without acknowledging the role the other plays in this problem is being a dishonest hypocrite.
People objectify beauty and sexuality, and then laugh at everyone else who argue and fight about it. Seems like you are focused on the wrong symptom and not the real problem (s).
Well, I'm guessing 50% of women are that type. Not all.. but definitely 99% of the ones who are running around being offended because somebody called them a slut.
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Ignoring for a moment the simping (yes, Reddit incels can be nuts, but so can feminists), those pictures are all arguably a bit sexist. All the women aree conventionally attractive. All the women are made up and styled and smiling. I would have trouble distinguishing them from the girls hired to welcome business travelers at conventions.
Look Stephen_77 was wrong about his second comment, both genders are victims in different ways. Women sadly receive less opportunities and men are sadly more likely to have their emotions pushed deep inside them from the start. But he was right about men becoming misogynistic because of misandry from men and women. If a man is forced to be masculine and a man is assumed to be sexist just because he is a man then he will strike back and put the blame on all women because of stereotypes. Both men and women suffer from sexism and there will be no end to it for anyone if people keep attacking each other with bias opinions.
The #1 criteria, at the top of the list of 534 other expectations, that women expect of a man before she will consider dating him is if he has a job. Many dating poles, for decades, prove this. Then womyn make excuses for why this gold digger attitude is justified, while men have very few expectations from women, and her employment status is a negligible factor.
Putting gold digger photos in the misogynist column is purely gas lighting. Is it derogatory toward rattle snakes to think they might bite you?
Women place expectations on men that are very difficult or impossible to meet, I. E. high wealth and height.
What men want from women are far more attainable by women, I. E. being attractive and having a nice personality.
There was a study done once where men were shown pictures of random women & women were shown pictures of random men. In 100% of cases the women tried to guess the profession of the man. Men just commented on whether they found the woman hot or not. Ha ha ha.
The same patriarchy that damages women is the same that damages men.
The trope that certain men who don’t do “traditionally masculine” activities are effeminate and pathetic, is just another way that the patriarchy oppresses men though their own misogyny.
This isn't even about any patriarchy at this point. What you described is what I call toxic masculinity.
Toxic masculinity is still on the same scale.. it still belongs to patriarchy.
Yes, evil men are responsible for every bad thing in the world because as we all know women cannot in anyway be held accountable for their own actions, actions are something men take and women are just objects who are acted upon. Or we can acknowledge reality that their is no patriarchy (you have no way of defning it or can show any objective measure of it), people act certain ways and yes that means that women can have "toxic femininity" and do (which is why you refuse to own up to your actions or acknowledge the wrongs that women do because of your toxic femininity).
@hellionthesagereborn What tf does toxic feminism have to do with anything?
This is just you projecting emotional epithets at this point.
Accountability is a man’s kryptonite, obviously. They never held themselves accountable for inventing the patriarchy in the first place. So they simply pretend it doesn’t exist.
There is just no patriarchy in your reality. Dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.
The way patriarchy hurts men and has always hurt men is it imposes a dominance hierarchy on men. The higher you are on the hierarchy, the more masculine and valid you are, and the lower you are the less you are worth.
If you're a man, you are ranked on the man hierarchy and where you are ranked determines who you can push around, who you are allowed to punish and who can punish you.
A man's ranking is traditionally determined by how good at aggressive violence and fighting he is, but it can also be determined by intellectual and interpersonal achievements which give you social power.
To exist as a man in the patriarchal hierarchy means you have to use your social power to assert and defend your place on the hierarchy by pushing around and socially punishing the men below you, while the men above you assert their place by pushing you around and punishing you for your occasional insolence and disrespect. That is the essence of patriarchal masculinity.
Things like homophobia and emotional repression that we associate with late twentieth century masculinity are not timeless measures of masculinity -- those things have changed and fluxed over the years and always vary by social class.
What never changes for men under patriarchy is the hierarchical men's ranking which involves a lot of fighting and jockeying for status and pushing others around while getting punished by those men above you.
Toxic masculinity, expectations such as “being the breadwinner/provider”, etc is all a direct result of a Patriarchal society.
@hellionthesagereborn Patriarchy means that men are more in power and more valued. That doesn't mean that the specifics don't change.
Essentially the way it works in most places today is that the patriarchy feels as though they get the power to hand out "man" cards, and have the ability to take them away if they think you're not properly representing the “virtuous” title of "man".
How the patriarchy operates today will look different, because things change over time and over cultures. That doesn't mean that it's not still the same general idea.
Anyway, it just seems like you’re being intentionally disingenuous.
Misandry and misogynism are equally the same in nature as they are in action.
Any form of supremacy is a threat to the well being and peace of others, as well as a fascist view in life.
So if you think women should have more rights then men, that is called misandry. That is Female Supremacy! And it is in nature fascist!
If anybody thinks men should have more rights than women, that is misogynism, and is Male Supremacy, which is fascist!
So question, is NeoFeminism focused on equal rights still? Is it focused on achieving the same rights as men, or achieving more rights than men?
If you seek to achieve more rights than the male gender, then you will never be equal to men, because there would be unbalance.
So if NeoFeminism is truly focused on equality, and not just trying to "stick it to the man" for lack of a better term (see what I did there), then NeoFeminism isn't true feminism, it is a gender charged supremacy, is fascist, and brings inequity to the common American.
I support equal rights 10,000%, HOWEVER, when will equal be equal?
You have more employment opportunities than males, women have a higher employment rate than males in the US, because yes it is sexist, but it's in your favor as a female.
You even have more LEGAL rights than males in most US states, including Ohio, which our court system favors the female first. Which, by the way, 92% of the prison population in the US is made up of Males, and don't say it's because we are more violent, but it's because women get different treatment in the courtroom!
The health system even favors the female before the male, in which they get treatment more accurately and faster than males.
I'm willing to say that educational opportunities for women, are more available than for men.
But if men were to fight for men's rights, I garuntee you would label it misogynism or hate speech, because you don't want to hear, nor do you care about when men have trouble with!
That includes the same men, straight men, that support your femenist Rallies.
The only time feminism has been in favor of men's rights, is when it comes to Gay men's rights. And that makes feminism flawed and guilty of not only double standards, but also of Stereotyping males.
So your misandry in itself is disgusting, and you should be ashamed. 😁
Please, no more double standards. Just responsibility for the facts
@yoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyo It seems as though you sorely missed the point.. you’re equivocally wrong. Only one of those is true. Women have more advantage when it comes to education.
Overall, you sound very confused and sorely deluded.
Men take their rights for granted, they were born with all of their rights intact while women have had to actively fight for them. Men have total body autonomy, meaning complete choice over their own bodies.. and don’t have to deal with getting sexually assaulted.
Women get raped not because they wear "slutty clothes" but because they are seen as weak and vulnerable. Women are seen as sex objects. Men rape fully clothed women.
Rapists rape a victim not because the victim is attractive enough to arouse rapists; it is because rapists know that they CAN rape the victim.
It is a predatory relationship where rapists see themselves as more powerful and therefore, they can do whatever they want to the victim. To add, this is why rape was used as weapon in colonization & wars.
Systematic rape of women is one of the military tactics used to suppress and take over communities.
Rape does not only destroy the victim; it demoralizes the whole community.
It either creates an atmosphere of fear or perpetuates victim blaming, or both.
Rape and the rape culture actually victimize everyone every single time it happens.
Again, rape is not about lust. It is about patriarchy and power. And women are twice as affected by it. I see way too many MEN trying to justify it.
@yoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyo Yes or no question: can men be expected to control their libidos?
If no, they are inherently dangerous.
If yes, explain why “but it’s hard for men not to assault a woman” was a point worth making.
Because that’s usually the argument that I hear the most.
It strikes me, by the way, that saying "men have an inherently harder time not committing sexual assault than women" IS saying "men just suck." If you had said the same about black people, you'd be racist. Why give men so little respect?
YES I REALIZE THAT MEN ARE RAPED TOO
AND I ALSO WANT THEM TO GET THE JUSTICE THEY SO RICHLY DESERVE
BUT IF THE ONLY TIME YOU TALK ABOUT RAPE OF MEN IS AS A RESPONSE TO RAPE OF WOMEN THEN YOU DONT CARE ABOUT RAPE AT ALL AND YOUR FALSE ADVOCACY ONLY ERODES THE MOVEMENT YOU CLAIM TO SUPPORT.
@yoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyo That’s your shitty, twisted take on feminism. Men exhibit the victim mentality for absolutely no reason. Yes, men can be oppressed.
Nobody is denying this.
But usually in ways that also oppressed women. Their oppression is more like a consequence of privilege. For example: When male victims of domestic abuse or sexual violence are not believed or mocked. Yeah, that's oppression. But that oppression stems from patriarchal structures of masculinity/femininity which dictate that women are weak and men are powerful and incapable of being victimized.
@yoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyo Also, that they are always after sex because women are constructed as sex objects. That of course doesn't detract from a man's experience of oppression.
The only difference being that women has been oppressed by men for thousands of years and are still considered second class citizens in many places on the planet, so women actually have a really fucking good reason to be pissed off about men and have a “victim mentality” so to speak, because it’s ingrained.
Women are equally intelligent, but have been oppressed for tens of thousands of years.
How could this have happened? Did they not tell anyone? Did men simply ignore the people in their lives they cherished most?
Because women have babies and nurse children?
They started from a position of inequality as they’re forced to do all this extra work. It makes it easy to marginalize them.
Before modern democracy and law and civilization, power came primarily from physical strength. Whoever wins in a fight makes the rules. Men are just on average much bigger and stronger. All other forms of oppression (e. g. religion, child care) stem from there.
And no, you'll find that a constant in human history is that those with an imbalance of power in their favour will abuse it and not give it up. So men did not listen.
So physical power is meaningless against a person you love, who you let into your own home, who you trust to take care of your children. Women could just poison their husbands when they were sleeping.
Nobody is trying to gain more rights than men, we’re trying to gain the rights that men take for GRANTED.
@yoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyo There’s also a reason that men are more imprisoned and face longer sentences, because men account for most of the crime and commit the worst out of those crimes.
Domestic violence is the leading cause of death for women, at the hands of men.
Women make up more than 50% of the population, yet commit 14% of homicides. Soo I’m gonna hazard a guess and say we barely talk about it because women aren’t stabbing, shooting, and beating men to death. 🙂
Being a woman is dangerous because men are dangerous.. that goes for every single race.
@yoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyo Women don’t have a higher edge than men when it comes to employment.
Under normal circumstances, we recognize the corporate world for what it is, but in the context of gender equality—we want to think it's something it isn't.
If being a corporate executive was simply about business smarts and hard work, it would be hard to explain why women aren't better represented apart from plain old sexism.
I think rather than asking why an advanced society doesn't have more women doing this work, we should be asking why an advanced society places this kind of work as the pinnacle of individual achievement with the highest pay and professional accolades.
Being entitled means oppressing an entire demographic and shitting on feminism because they’re actively trying to undo your mistakes in the first place, and this deeply rouses you because it is a direct threat to your privilege.
Companies are more likely to hire a man. This is still a form of oppression.
For example, if a boss is more likely to hire men because they're afraid a young woman will quickly get pregnant and take family leave soon after being hired, then a man who gets a job instead of a woman has privilege, but the boss who made the decision is responsible for the oppressing.
While there is a connection, they're two separate things and privilege is more of a product of oppression than a generator of it.
Are you not taking the victim mentality right now? Do you feel attacked about the men's perspective on the movement?
I will not speak for predatorial men because this scum deserve to be kept away from society, the sex offenders among others who try to obstruct the liberties of any American.
And you just said a self conflicting statement. How are you going to say men have full control over being sexually assaulted? After just saying you understand we get sexually assaulted? Not only are men sometimes sexually assaulted by other men, but what about those who are assaulted by women? You think it right for them to physically defend themselves? Or are you to say that is wrong too? So how do you expect a male to defend themselves from sexual assault? I was sexually assaulted by my own aunt as a child!! But you don't know anything about that, do you?
I'm not defending sexual assault by saying that. I'm stating a fact. That happened.
And men are seen as sex objects too, we get sexualized by being shirtless in public!
And yes there's men can't control themselves and if you ask me, they need mental health help!!
But I CAN control myself, hell, as much as I answer questions on here related to sex, because I've been in a lot of relationships, I haven't even laid with a woman in almost 3 years!! AND IM IN MY PRIME!!
And by the way, all it takes is an accusation to put somebody in prison nowadays. So yes women are favored in court, and that is because we have adjusted to trying to fix the problems in society with sexual assault, isolate these problems, and extinguish them...
And by the way, women are employed more than men, because they are socially taught and seen to be not only better with people, but easier to manage things and keep things organized. In this decade, there are more female executives and business owners, I don't know about YOUR community, but in MY community for sure!!
You want to argue about sick leave, but men actually like to work. We are less likely to call off, shown on statistics, than females, and this is recorded by corporate companies recording the clock punches of their employees!!
Once again, I'm saying EQUALITY for both genders. Meaning SAME EVERYTHING!! So if you can accuse somebody of rape in court and make a scene with no evidence, like we've seen several times with celebrities, among others, then if men do the same you should be able to receive the same capitol punishment.
Because you ALSO are an American. Because you ALSO are a Human Being.
If you don't believe in True and Just Equity to the Civility of the American Movement, then maybe you and all your feminist friends, should find a island and declare a new government there!! Just like how the Island of Lesbos became a country!!
"According to Greek mythology, the island was the birthplace of the hero Lesbos. The island features in the Trojan War story of Homer's Iliad, notably when Agamemnon offers Achilles, amongst other things, seven women from Lesbos skilled in handicrafts, in order to persuade the hero to rejoin the conflict"
Once again, I don't hate equity, I want equity...
But you CANNOT approach a SERIOUS situation with BIAS, and expect results.
Do more research on the Truth about Males, because I will not let you speak for me, ESPECIALLY, after subject ME to statements like that
@yoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyo You are using nothing but bias. Thanks for empowering my thesis with several walls of bullshit.
I’ve already spoke my peace. Maybe more women get employed where YOU live but that doesn’t account for the rest of society.
And no, nobody is living on an island anywhere.. if you don’t like the gynocentric society we have, which clearly you say it is, and since you’re the one with the problem, maybe you’re the one that belongs on the MGTOW island of trash.
Also women have a good reason to have a victim mentality, this is this shit men like you have to use to pretend to be victims.
Also, no. I never said men could control if they get sexually assaulted or not, but taking their gender into consideration, they have a better chance of defending themselves.
Rape is thought of someone forcefully penetrating someone, or something that a man does to a woman. Women have more pain during sex than men do. So women raping men? But how often does this happen? Next to never.
So, for instance, if a woman broke into a man's house with a gun, held it on him and made him have sex with her while under the threat of being shot, that would be coercing him into sex with her, which would be rape.
Erections are also involuntary. For instance, a person who is unconscious can still get hard. Men who have broken their backs and cannot move their lower bodies are still capable of sexual stimulation and having sex. A woman who drugs a man and then has sex with him while he's passed out is raping him, and is having non-consensual vaginal sex. This would all be considered rape.
But 9/10, men are raped by OTHER men.. not women.
You were assaulted as a child? Therein lies a big difference. As a child you are powerless, as a man you probably could have prevented it from happening.
Get the picture?
Take your pseudoscience and propagate elsewhere.
@yoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyo With the false accusations, that is utter bullshit.. you can’t be convicted without evidence of some sort.. a rape kit or an eye witness. That is bullshit being spread and perpetuated by the same men whenever anyone brings up the topic of rape. You cannot be convicted without evidence PERIOD because charges will be dropped and the accuser will end up facing the consequences.
You ignored so much I told you. You want answers about men? Start a poll. I personally, obviously will not get through to you
@yoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyo Ignore this crazy man hater. She's as mad as a box of frogs and has zero intelligence.
@Stephen_77 The same could be said for you.
The same idiot who refused to believe women were oppressed, so you tried to downplay our history but claiming that men are somehow oppressed by their own system?
Go grow a frontal lobe, creep.
No, its not. In fact quite the opposite. Your sexist, you hate men, thats all their is to it. So when a man doesn't like being treated like shit and looked down on by a woman (as you have done) you call it toxic masculinity that is a man who dares stand up for himself and not see himself as uniquely flawed because of his gender. That was my point, if anything we have toxic femininity, that is where a woman, instead of owning her shit owning her actions and treating men like they are actually human beings instead opts to blame men for everything, even going so far as to blame what women do on men as well (you would call this victim blaming if the genders where reversed). Its when a woman refuses to take responsibility for her actions, refuses to see that she is flawed not because she is a woman but because she is human instead opting to believe that because she has a vagina that she is above reproach and above being questioned and most of all she is above being "flawed". You are exhibiting all the signs of toxic femininity, that is why I brought it up.
Its actually ironic that you talk about men not being accountable as men are the ONLY ones accountable for their actions, literally every statement you have made has been to divest yourself of accountability for your actions, to divest women as a whole of accountability, and to then claim that you are nothing more then an object that is acted upon but which never acts hence you blaming men and "patriarchy" i. e. men for literally everything up to and including the things that women do to men.
As for your claims of patriarchy, well they are idiotically stupid and only a sociopathic liar OR a complete moron would make such claims. First and foremost, that is not "patriarchy" that creates a heirachy that is EXISTENCE. Their is no social group or structure in the entire world that does not have a heiarchy that is including women's social grouping and interactions. So that is incorrect. Two why would you blame men for what is biologically innate? Also while we are on the subject why would you pretend that women are some how exempt from this?
In addition it is women who benefit from everything at every turn. That is a fact of life, women have longer lifespans, are healthier, work less, get paid more, are the first ones saved in a time of crisis and unlike men never are sacrificed for the opposite gender or society (this is all objective fact). So we have a better argument for a gynocentric society, you know, on account of all the statistical data we have plus the fact that women have more legal rights then men. Again, you have to be either sociopathicly evil or a complete moron to make the claims and arguments you make.
I mean take your claims of punishing men beneath you in the social heirachy, that is provably false. First off studies consistently show that those who succeed are the ones who are most willing to work with others (kind of puts a hole in that theory of yours). Studies also show that while men have conflict they are far more ready to resolve those issues and patch things up unlike women who almost never do so.
Also its rather sexist to claim that men are homophobic uniquely. That is bullshit and you know it, yet another sexist claim (what else is new).
Also emotional supression is NOT something that masculinity or men endorse, its what WOMEN endorse. Studies consistently show women prefer men who are not emotional (hell they consistently rate men who frown as more attractive). The only reason why men have emotional issues is because of people like you who tell them they are worthless peices of shit all the time, tell them that they are what is wrong with the world. Would you go to a therapist and seek help from people who tell you your the root cause of every problem? Of course not, so men do not open up to women, the group they traditionally did open up to, because women are now toxic.
But again, you prove that women refuse to own up to their actions. Men don't demand to work themselves to death to provide for women, WOMEN DO. It is women who refuse to marry men who make less money then them (this is a scientific fact that has been shown to be the case over and over again). It is women who are unhappy when their husbands make less or when their husbands are stay at home dads. Its women who demand that men pay for dates. Yet here you are trying to blame men for it so you can keep your hands clean and keep telling yourself that YOU are perfect because after all how could you not be perfect, you have a vagina.
@HeelyGod25 How where women oppressed?
@hellionthesagereborn Men are never accountable for their actions, hence why you don’t believe oppression is real for women. A sure sign of the times.
Most people aren't good people so that definitely includes men.
I literally cringe everytime someone says "boys will be boys”, or my all time favorite, "she didn't say no". As if that’s how consent works. If you weren’t so biased then you’d be able to see it in plain sight.
The system was set up by men, to benefit men, and controlled by men who have a death grip on it and will never willingly give up even an inch. Ever. "Good men" "not all men" and "him too" are all not so subtle whataboutism's designed to derail even conversations with each other.
If you don't you risk being sealioned to death, or labeled an angry woman. Of course we're angry.
If you do even a basic Google search on the "manosphere" and "mens rights" you'll find a mind boggling amount of frankly terrifying and sickening content by men and for men that is more than a pushback response to feminism but quite literally a "push us all off the nearest cliff" response.
They weaponized the message that "men should fear how rampant false rape accusations are" and is in my opinion simply fear of actual rape accusations, since false accusations are statistically virtually nonexistent. 0.1%.
Never mind that as you said but men are rarely held accountable anyway. But they want total immunity to behave as they wish, no reprisals, and what better way is there than to hijack the crime of rape and make it about themselves as both victims of rape and victims of women who lie about rape.
Leaving us more worried about not being "that girl"
(another mrm slogan) and unfairly putting all men in the rapist basket, than our own dire situation.
Nothing will change for us until we change everything for us and after that, then we can worry about "Not all men"
@hellionthesagereborn Holding men accountable also includes unfriending those and refusing to be around those who say bigoted or sexist things.
You’re still holding them accountable by taking your presence in their life away from them. But of course you would never take the first step in doing this.
There are always excuses when a man/boy doesn't want to accept your "no"; he is in love, he is mentally unstable (imagine using that as an excuse, guys do it apparently), he doesn't know any better, you probably didn't say no properly, etc.
This is me talking about a guy who harassed me for months, who publicly tried to hug me, touched me, tried to feed me handmade stuff, stalked me, followed me after school.
I named numerous eye witnesses, other girls who were harassed, etc. and it wasn't until another male friend confirmed what I said that this person was convinced their friend was fucking weird towards girls. The excuse was "I couldn't believe what you said because I guess he only told me selected stuff he did to girls, girls are rude to non attractive guys from the start for little things." when I gave numerous eye witnesses, how I treated him kindly at the start, how I was traumatized.
One of those times he was a witness as well, but I guess he forgot. Almost like men don't give a fuck women feel threatened, until they are.
There is also the fact that some of these guys will empathize with harassers. Because they understand the urge, the need to fucking bully and harass women they are "in love with". Even if they wouldn't do it themselves, they understand the want.
They can't sympathize with a girl being afraid but they can sympathize with a guy harassing a girl who clearly said no, whose only mistake was fucking existing.
So remind me again how men are held accountable and women aren’t oppressed? You may blindly condone it but I won’t.
@hellionthesagereborn Guys, especially younger guys, can't wrap their mind around what women go through, how their actions impact women in the long run.
No one wants to think of themselves as the creep, so when hearing second hand stories about two people: one is a bit like them, but slightly more careless/rude/aggressive and the other is living an experience they can't relate to, they are going to emphasize with the person more like them.
Thinking back to younger me, I would have responded better to "can you help keep Kevin away from me, I don't feel safe" then a demand to cut someone from my life. I actually remember a friend asking me that, and I immediately started noticing how off he actually was and cut him off.
Sorry, men should be held accountable. Yeah, it’s ironic isn’t it?
Feel free to hop off my thread and believe in those silly lies fed to you by your man cult.
@hellionthesagereborn Also women don’t demand that men work like slaves.. men have yet again made themselves providers, but of course you’re too stupid to acknowledge this. Calling women “gold diggers” for something you created is inherently sexist. Men have always worked, whether if it was for the benefit of themselves or women. It’s definitely not up to the woman.
@hellionthesagereborn Going around trash talking women isn’t defending yourself. Just thought I’d let you know.
It sounds to me like you just project your emotional baggage on others and call it feminism
You need counseling
@yoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyo Whatever, Chad. Any woman that points out blatant toxic male behavior is what you call a feminist. They make medication for insecure dudebros like you.
Men love telling women that they have the best quality of life today that women have ever had so they should stop fighting for total equality.
Any system that damages both genders by its design cannot be said to be patriarchal in nature, by definition. The root of society's ills is corruption itself, because human nature is easily corruptible from within. As long as people carry greed, envy, and the desire for destruction and vengeance in their hearts, then society will corrode from the inside. Its not a gendered issue. Its a human issue.
Well it's clear you don't know what your talking about. Since you can't keep the labels apart. Please invest time to understand the subject before spreading misconceptions like this.
This post is nothing more than a jab at men who don’t kiss feminism’s rear end. Criticizing feminism doesn’t make someone a misogynist as there are many women who also criticize feminism. Because women aren’t synonymous with feminism.
From my experience, Usually if a man hates feminism, there is a high chance he has a problem with an independent women. (The type of guys who hate female CEOs or successful women) Trust me I don't date those types of guys.
@Anonymous this entire post is a cope trying to demonize a group of people because they happened to make fun of him and his simp behavior. Hence why this entire post is one big strawman
Way to call yourself out.
@Ayanna240 No, it's because a lot of these so called "independent women" are still happy to take a man's money and screw him over financially in a divorce.
@Ayanna240 And from my experience women who identify as feminists tend to hate men and even want to reduce men to second class citizens. I don’t date those kind of women.
@Opinion owner, I don't think so. I'm a feminist but I don't hate men. A woman can smell a misogynist miles away.
@Ayanna240 Ah so everyone who disagrees with you is suddenly a “misogynist”. Yeah that’s what is called the “sexist” card.
Just another example of feminist authoritarianism.
@Opinion owner I can say the same for you. You assume that every feminist is anti man, nasty and disgusting.
Most guys in the real world who have nothing against women, HAVE NOTHING AGAINST FEMINISM.
These are the good guys. From my experience, guys who shit on feminism , have something against women in power.
@Ayanna240 More assumptions. Most guys actually don’t trust feminism because it’s an anti male ideology that aims at reducing men to second class citizens or even exterminating men.
Just read the scum manifesto which is blatant feminist misandry. By the way, SCUM manifesto is the feminist version of Hitler’s Mein Kampf.
Male honestly is male misogyny!!
Even thought 90% of the world is pure misandry.
As masculinity is a threat to tyranny!
Masculinity is a threat to tyranny? Masculinity is the CAUSE of tyranny!
You’re a fkin idiot! You have no idea WTF you’re talking about! people like you is why guys like me left Canada! A misandry nation that women are misandry.
Masculinity is bad? Go watch lion king and see what happened after the male lion died. You sound like a feminist cunt! Go to Iran tons of work for you there.
Ha, ha! The incel is TRIGGERED! :P
Instantly no logical reasoning. I like how you ignored everything I said. 👍 shows what kind of a useless eater you are.
Seriously though, virtually ever tyrannical government that has ever existed was led by men. Examples include: Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mussolini, Napoleon, the Ayatollah, Putin, Xi, Mao, Ghenghiz Khan, Attila the Hun, Hirohito and Pinochet, to list just a few. How many were women? Less than 0.5%
You don't know what you're talking about Mr. Incel. The historical evidence supports my view, not yours.
One other thing: masculinity is toxic. Always. We need to get rid of it completely.
They’re the same people who pay feminism and BLM and LGBQ to destroy men. What you’re saying is like MS13 gang will come to my house to rap3 me. So we need to remove all masculinity. So therefore no one will save me. That’s exactly what happened to Sweden! Feminism attacked masculinity so much. That when criminals from Africa that were tiled as (refugees) came and rap3d Sweden young girls as young as 10 there will no masculine men to push back! Couple of them would even post their activities on FB live challenging anyone to stop them. And no one did. Until cops came later on.. and made a soft arrest and they were let off after 1 day. I suggest researching something before you open your fkin trap!
Explain to me how masculinity is a threat to tyranny, even though ALL the evidence says otherwise. Go on. You dare to accuse me of being illogical and not presenting an argument, even though the one who makes the claim (in this case YOU) is the one who needs to present the evidence for the point of view they're arguing for.
Oh fk you’re 53? Hahaha lmfao I thought you were like 19 year old girl or something. Damn! Life didn’t teach you fk all.
You can't do it, can you? You simply cannot defend your prior claims. PATHETIC!
How is masculinity a threat to tyranny? Explain.
That’s you’re a 53 loser. Let me guess you’re fat? Single with 69 cats? Your miserable lonely cunt!
"What you’re saying is like MS13 gang will come to my house to rap3 me. So we need to remove all masculinity. So therefore no one will save me. That’s exactly what happened to Sweden!"
Wow. That's retarded beyond belief! You think that absent the existence of masculine men, there would be no one to save you, but you've completely ignored the FACT that masculine men are always the ones who do the raping in the first place.
How is masculinity a threat to tyranny? Simple question really. You can't answer it though, because you don't have the intellectual wattage to do so.
I'm not fat at all. I'm slim, trim, have ALL my hair, don't watch crappy "news" programmes that spread misinformation, completed college, have my own house, am fairly well off, etc. Not a loser at all. Not an incel. Unlike you.
I don't have any cats. In any case, there's nothing wrong with having cats. Now answer the question: How is masculinity a threat to tyranny?
I’ve explained already. Wisdom falls on deaf ears. Goodbye.
@Rok4bakAR The fact he is 53 and randomly calling people "incel" just makes it worse. Definitely not someone I'd look up to when I'm 53
Ignore Silas. He's quite famous for being a feminist troll.
The former view women as a person & the latter an object.
There’s a lot of evidence that showcase women are becoming increasingly narcissistic with modern culture. Most modern women can be fun, but make horrible partners. I’m glad I found a good one.
To be honest this is oblivious nonsense. Misogyny is nothing to do with the fact that some women do exploit men. Just ask Johnny Depp.
MGTOW and feminism are two sides of the same hate driven sexist coin. Anyone who writes something against one without acknowledging the role the other plays in this problem is being a dishonest hypocrite.
People objectify beauty and sexuality, and then laugh at everyone else who argue and fight about it. Seems like you are focused on the wrong symptom and not the real problem (s).
Mgtow is just as stupid as feminism. Any ideology that places a stereotype over a gender is retard talk.
Good take! My mom would love a good read. Thank you!
Bro, every girl seems to have an OnlyFan page these days. Even selling their own panties. Someone must have bought them.
Pretty sure normal girls don’t have an onlyfans. I have a guy friend with an onlyfans who does naked photography.
Well, I'm guessing 50% of women are that type. Not all.. but definitely 99% of the ones who are running around being offended because somebody called them a slut.
cause somebody has reason to call them that.
Same thing with women. There are normal women and misandrists
I'm a simp, if you aren't you're a fuckboy in my eyes, you're not in my league. Loyalty is Royalty
There are different types of women, bro. They're not all the same.
He puts them on 100 foot high pedestals so he can't actually see enough of them to tell.
MGTOW is understanding how easily women can wreck your life, and deciding to not give them the opportunity.
I really can't tell - are you bored, angry, or both?