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There's a very critical difference.
Banning a medical procedure is pretty common. Whether or not we agree on abortion, I think we can all agree doctors should not have carte blanche to do whatever procedures a person wants due to how their harm outweighs the good.
Now... forcing a medical procedure? That's some Soviet Russia death camp shit right there.
That's not the point. The point is people should be concerned with their own lives and not the lives of others, whether that be forced vaccinations or banning abortions simply because one doesn't like them.
Related to this same train of thought, I can't stand marijuana or weed culture in general, but I'd never approve of banning it or keeping it illegal. If people want to be losers or addicts, they should have every right to. The only reason to ban something is if it is hurting the person involved or it's a danger to society.
You say that's not the point because you're ignoring the reality of both issues.
I'm not ignoring anything. You just didn't say anything relevant.
"Banning a medical procedure is pretty common" doesn't make it logical, sound, or "the right thing to do." Nor does it explain why it's a "good idea" to ban abortions in the first place. It's essentially a "whataboutism."
Banning a medical procedure or drug when the harm outweighs the good is extremely common. That's why for instance FDA approved drugs and procedures/treatments typically have to go through strict studies before being approved to see what side effects occur and how severe they are.
Banning abortion or banning abortion after a certain amount of weeks is a question of what harm would be brought to the mother vs to the life being terminated. For example, the abortion law in Mississippi leaves abortion on demand legal until 15 weeks. www.aclu-ms.org/.../abortion-rights
Which means that in this case they are not even banning the procedure, but placing a time restriction on elective abortion.
by the way adoption is a thing. Mothers are not forced to 18 years of raising a kid.
@RationalMale
You say that as if giving up three-quarters to a year of your life, along with 8-20 hours of labor is "no big deal." Not very rational of you.
I take a realist approach.
Is killing the unborn good? No.
Does it hurt someone else? That's debatable.
But what's the alternative? Dangerous home abortions, starve yourself till the baby dies, have it and then kill it, or leave the child with irresponsible parents who don't want it.
Adoption is an option, but we have more unwanted kids than people who choose to adopt them so it's not really an option. It's tapped out. Those kids are raised by the government.
I don't like abortion, but I don't like heroin either and banning that made krokodil and fentanyl.
So from a realist's approach, Would I rather be raised by the government, Irresponsible parents who don't want a child, or killed before I can form rational thoughts? It's a no-brainer.
I wish I had been aborted.
And I'm sick of the argument "but what if we kill the baby who could invent the cure for cancer?"
Doesn't matter, still better than making him/her work like a slave till they die because someone else will demand more money than they can earn or have them incarcerated for being poor.
Just because something is common doesn't make it make sense. Both sides are too focused on their feelings to give a shit about the babies who are born so I say let them die peacefully without suffering at all until we can come up with a better plan.
If god was all powerful and all knowing, cared about us, and had a plan... he ain't doing it anymore. So, we are pretty much working with what we've got in the here and now.
Would you actually want to be born alone into this world?
No, you wouldn't.
Nobody would.
I'm less worried about the two adults who can't be trusted to operate a zipper than I am about the kids who are already suffering. The humane thing to do is allow the ones who are already born to squabble over the scraps without adding more competition.
And by humane, I mean the less inhuman of the two evils because monkeys treat a stranger's baby better than humans do. Humanity sucks. The work Humane is an Oxymoron.
Why are people still arguing over abortion like it's going to matter how many people die when the food runs out or are forced to become typing slaves to fix bugs in the AI that's going to run the world? It's a waste of time. You want to save these kids start building a world someone might actually want to live in first.
It makes me sad man.
You're saying that as though letting mothers kill their offspring at whim is not a big deal.
You've seemed to missed the entire point of the article and I'm not here to argue in pointless circles all day, which is why I stopped talking to you, to begin with. You'll believe what you want to believe and I'm not here to change that.
Agreed. You're missing the huge difference of putting a time limit on a medical procedure that observable has a high harm cost vs forcing people receiving a medical treatment against their will.
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Contrary to your initial sentence, you didn't piss me off.
You told a good story with facts. I'll forgive the profanity.
by the way, Like you, I am an Independent, although I was raised a Democrat.
Regarding the abortion issue, that would have remained in the background had VA and NY not made it legal to perform post-birth abortion (aka murder). But because commies kept pushing and pushing to where it's at now, is it any wonder why TX went the complete opposite direction?
Blah Blah Blah. First off, I can't stomach half or 99% of the question. I just want to know why you went down the avenue that tilted you to where you should have been in the first place. None of that matters either. If you have not figured out divisiveness and drowning the truth in the sake of the Deep State no one has anything for you.
Because if they didn’t:
More kids would be drunk and die from smoking drugs etc
moms could potentially murder their unborn kids by drinking smoking drugs etc and yes that is considered murder Bc that’s not an abortion
and more stuff so u have to control people or else it would be whack
The only criticism I have is with your interpretation of the graph in the middle. The vaccines have been available since around the 2020 election thanks to operation warp speed.
This seems to imply that the reason the death rate took such a huge drop because the vaccine WASN'T mandated prior to April 19, 2021 and more people were fine with taking it because of it.
I got my jab April 2nd not because some sleazy politician told me to but because I didn't want to get covid.
I think the right and left both enjoy big government when it's convenient for them and hate it when it's not. If it stifles the opposition and their rights and access then it's good.
Because there is not a dime's worth of difference between the parties and because almost all politicians love having control over every aspect of peoples lives.
You answered your own question in your question. Politics are just a tool to control. Even above the presidents there's someone in charge telling them exactly what to do. The elites.
What I find interesting is neither side will take the plunge and mandate exercise and people be under a certain Body Fat percentage.
That would actually improve everything across the board.
I think it would be a good policy.
But I am against the government telling people what to do. Even if it's something I personally think people should do.
I believe people should make their own choices and suffer their own conciquences.
The Republicans don't believe in having the government tell people what to do.
The "Democrats" don't want Covid to end because then they would lose their emergency powers and they would stop making billions of dollars by helping their buddies sell drugs.
There is no motivation for a fitness mandate. It would be as unpopular for the republicans as the vaccine mandates are and it would undermine the "Democrats" plan to control everyone all the forever by rendering their most powerful weapon absolutely harmless.
There would be no benefit for either side to do that.
The republicans who voted for it would lose all their support.
And the Democrats who voted for it would lose the support from the puppeteer who pulls their strings.
The republican voters don't care about Covid. That's why most of us aren't vaccinated. It's not a concern.
The "Democratic" politicians don't want to stop Covid. They profit off it and gain enormous amounts of power from it.
If they wanted to keep people safe and healthy they would have been encouraging treatments to save lives Instead of trying to ban them and discourage anyone from doing anything to actually treat the disease.
People who are cured can't spread the virus. And if people stop spreading the virus it goes away so they can't tell people what to do and force them to buy untraceable proprietary drugs.
Mandating fitness would render covid entirely harmless to the vast majority of the population and that would make it useless to them.
It's not about safety VS death.
It's about freedom verses control.
Mandating fitness wouldn't benefit freedom or control. It would only save lives and end the pandemic.
Remember the guy who ran a salad company who suggested that people eat healthy to improve their chances against covid? The liberal media tared and feathered him three times a day for a whole week.
They don't want people to be healthy. Healthy people aren't afraid of covid.
Don’t kill me mommy I wuv you
That is the nature of people in power. They want control; total control if they can get it.
because they are control freaks. They want everyone become stupid and happy with nothing.
Appealed you on a finer point making. Love the read. I hear you these are crazy days
The right concerns itself with liberty, so I don't think your characterization is accurate.
That's an awful lot of control freaks out there. You sure it's about control?
Grow up and get the shot.
Did you know the least Vaccinated level of education is people with PHD's?
@Lost_in_the_Woods Just quit your whining and get the shot.
Just cut your arm off because I said so. You baby dick or something? Do it.
I'll take the shot when you send the video.
I'm trying this new thing where I use logic once and if that doesn't work I try to respond to people in a way they can understand.😂🤣😂🤣
@Lost_in_the_Woods
I just block dumbfucks like this. Don't waste your time on these people.
And he's blocked!
I have time. I've got nothing but time. I find them entertaining.
But I'll try not to send you notifications about it.
One thing is fear in my opinion
North Korea didn’t got where they were overnight!
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