So let me get this straight. The vast majority of women's oppression is people criticizing them. The the remainder of these issues (the violent ones) are what men face just about if not more often than women do.
Men wish they have these problems because they are currently hearing from the courts that they are incapable of being good fathers or that women's abuses are harmless and are therefore not abuse or that they are suspected to being abusers themselves.
The average man has no more power than the average woman. This will never become true no matter how many times you say it is and will only keep the sexes fighting against each other with narratives like that.
The vast majority of women's oppression are in sexist laws. Take for example the abortion laws in the US, or the marital rape loopholes. Or the fact that sexual education in the US is only required to be medically accurate in 13 states. We also deal with men who think that if they help us they automatically are "entitled to sex". If we get harassed at all we're either told that means the boy likes us or it's our fault because of our clothing.
If you want other countries, in Saudi Arabia women aren't allowed to vote, in Kenya, womens groups are creating their own villages because of the terrible mistreatment from their husbands (and then get raided and kidnapped on a daily to be forced back into those living conditions).
I'm not trying to get the sexes to fight at all? I don't know why so many dismissive people always say that. It's like the whole point of this post just goes right over your head. Girls want the fundamental human rights that men always get. Worldwide.
I guess you're still ignoring the fact that it still goes both ways. And of course we're now misogynistic for just addressing the other side of the story right? Or there might be another reason why arguments like this gets heated up also because feminists can start talking about their agenda while also bashing on men but not wanting to be debunked. While you wanna continue talking about how men say men have it worse, i can also be talking about women bitching on men for having male privileges. Your gender isn't the only victim of sexism here. I mean sure you're not saying "only women are victims of sexism" but why talk about men silencing your agenda when feminists do it too?
This post has NOTHING to do with male-bashing. I know the moment women speak out about sexism face you immediately want to tell us to stop insulting men. BUT WE'RE NOT. Yes, women can be sexist too, that's not a new fact.
And you see, you really like to claim you're not bashing one men. But if i say the same thing, it wouldn't make much difference. It's not different if i say you're also bashing on men but you just wanna continue proving to me your hypocrisy anyways.
I'm asking you how I'm doing that. Instead of providing me with any evidence, you've said that I'm just bitching about what I'm saying. What rights have you lost? I understand military drafting and increased rates of being charged with longer sentences. But other than that, what else?
Ok then im bashing for talking about how men have their issues as well since you never mentioned it but you're not bashing on men for making that mytake for whatever reason. It's almost like the double standards some people had been trying to prove. What else? here you go because you asked for it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ucR-1NodAs
Women will create a fantasy world, claim that it's men who think they should accept this fantasy they've created (catcalls, comments constantly.. yea, sure), and then call actual men garbage for saying something they didn't, for something that isn't so.
This whole comment is completely unrelated to the post! And instead just serves to passively try to dismiss women's rights 😜 It sucks that it's too big of a pill for you to swallow. Never once did I call a man "garbage" in this post, nor did I say that men were terrible. To add to this "fantasy", women in Saudia Arabia aren't allowed to drive. In Russia, domestic violence that doesn't cause "significant damage (hospitalization)" is legal, and first-time abusers who put their partners in the hospital pay as little as 5,000 rubles which is ~$88.
Listen to this gaslighting nonsense: "If you don't validate all the nonsense I say, you don't believe in women's right..." The fact that you can't even come up with a situation from your own country shows how transparently nonsensical your rant is...
If you want a US example, abortion laws. More and more laws in the US are being put in place to prevent women from getting abortions. They're not pro-life, they're anti-woman. This prevents women from seeking abortions from not being able to get them and on top of that, an increase in teen mothers. Only 13 states require medically accurate sexual education. Even then, many schools still preach abstinence rather than educating students on birth control methods and STD prevention. The fact that female veterans don't get childcare support or certain basic needs. Because legally, agencies aren't allowed to give those women child support! Trust me, oppression is still strong in America.
Men don't have it easy either just so you know. We all have our problems in life. "That's 216,000 victims, not instances. These victims are often assaulted multiple times over the course of the year. The Justice Department now seems to be saying that prison rape accounted for the majority of all rapes committed in the US in 2008, likely making the United States the first country in the history of the world to count more rapes for men than for women." Also men are more likely to be the victims of assault in the USA as well. https://www. google. com/amp/s/amp. theguardian. com/commentisfree/cifamerica/2012/feb/21/us-more-men-raped-than-women. https://www. cbs. nl/en-gb/news/2018/51/fewer-women-than-men-fall-victim-to-violence
So in short, men get raped more and violently assaulted more in the USA. I don't like focusing on issues based on biological sex, we should be focusing on violence against humans in general in an egalitarian effort to unite us against psychopaths.
well spoken. Guys have it super easy! We go through soooo much between clothes n bod issues. I’d like a guy go to the gyno n get poked n stuff and worry bout everything.
Totally!! God forbid us, women, to whisper about the issues we face. Oh! Sorry, I mean "our inconveniences" that are *nothing* compared to what men face 😒😒😒
Don't guys get prostate exams? I think the gyno thing might actually be discrimination against men if they aren't able to get routine check ups on their genitals
Belive me , If have have ability to give birth I am redy to go to Gynecologist every month & get poked & before you say anything I have delivered babies as an intern. Guys don't have it easy , once you truly see the world you will see nobody is having easy. & Guys have clothes & bod isse too. Guys are much more likely to be called fat & bullied.
I'm not going to pretend your not a woman. I got 500+ million years of instincts telling me this is one of the most important and useful distinction about a persons.
If you want to control the world your only option will always be to control yourself. Yes that does mean if you have something valuable you don't flaunt it unless you want to risk them trying to get it. It doesn't matter if that thing is your body, nature doesn't care. if its on display its on offer at some level.
The future is not bright, b/c Fifth wave feminism and woke ideology has divided us and more people then ever are saying no to relationships, and to anyone who says "good there are too many people anyway" you either don't know how population works or you've been black pilled.
You can't blame feminism for a divide between the sexes. You can blame the actual gaps, socially and economically, for those. I don't really know what you meant by "saying no to relationships". Do you mean the men's rights groups who blame women for them being single (when they're just angry that women aren't submitting to them), or women who simply don't have their lives revolving around finding a partner?
I'd say I meant both groups, and I should've also added Incel culture to the list of things dividing men and women, my bias is showing. I guess I'm just disturbed to think that there will be a whole group of men and women dying alone in 50+ years.
Sexism, racism, etc. really is a personal problem. The law has already legally rectified these issues, but the law can only cover the legal aspect of a society. There are other faucets to society besides what is legal. Even if society changes, there will ALWAYS be someone who is ignorant.
And that's where you're wrong! There are still plenty of sexist laws, just look at the abortion laws in the US or oppressive laws in places like Saudi Arabia. On top of that, societal discrimination is DEFINITELY not a personal problem. When it's systemic, that's not just a "personal" thing.
The fact that women in the west still think they're oppressed on a systemic level is border line delusional. Women have literally never possessed more social power than they do right now. Your complaint on here is women shaving? My gosh, I shave and it's not that big of a deal. I'm an extremely hairy guy and my wife finds it to be too much. I don't mind keeping up my appearance.
If we're so powerful why are women not allowed to leave the country without approval from heir husbands in some countries? Why is it legal to kidnap and marry a girl in some countries? Why in the US are abortion rights being restricted? Please explain to me why we have so much "power" and yet in places like Kenya, girls have their genitals mutilated and are forced to flee their homes due to such terrible abuse?
It is not "borderline delusional" - it is delusional as hell, and also very manipulative and psychopathic. Women write posts like this to increase their victim status, to get the women here to like them more and to identify and manipulate the simps on GaG.
@Femphile_xoxo Then go aim your "feminism" over there, not here in the west where you're THE MOST PRIVILEGED woman ever walking the face of the Earth in human history. Last time I checked in Ukraine, it is the MEN who are FORCED to stay and FIGHT. While the women are free to leave the country. And we've seen them doing so in the masses. Oh but by all means, do tell us more about how "oppressed" you are when statistics are clearly not on your side
@TruthBringer Time and time again on this post I have said, MEN HAVE THEIR OWN ISSUES. But, the issues you guys quote at me are all relating to higher rates of incrimination and military requirements. Yes, the fact that men between the ages of 16-and 60(I think, right?) are required to stay and fight is terrible!!! Women weren't even allowed to join the military in the US until recently. Women in the US are having the right to choose is restricted. There is still a lot of injustice in the US. I don't have the ability to fight for women's rights in other countries.
@Femphile_xoxo Your entire Take is a rant about how bad women have it and that they "need to be lifted to the level of men", while neglecting the fact that on many levels you actually have it much better than men. Asif men are living in some utopia here. While stats clearly prove the contrary. There is a big contrast between what you're saying now and what you're ranting about in your Take. You know you're living in a great society when you have the privilege to complain about things you don't have, while neglecting all the good that you do. Good that other women around the globe do not have. That is an incredibly privileged position, to begin with.
Great post. I totally agree with everything! Also - I've seen a lot of misogynistic comments in this chat and others on GAG, and I think that this should be changed.
@msc545 Men do have rights. of 197 independent states, 12 nations have female leaders. In what way are your rights being restricted? Is it cause women are finally getting rights and the small group of people you belong to just simply can't share the spotlight?
@msc545 if you mean money, I assume you're talking about child support? Something that is completely reasonable. And even then, 65% of men don't pay their child support bills even if it was ordered by the court.
It sickens me that people like you think that all sexual harassment, rape and sexual abuse claims are just "girls making a swing choice".
@msc545 None of the statistics or facts I use are made up. All of them are either from studies, clear laws, well-known fact, s or peer-reviewed journals.
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@msc545 The sources I have are peer-reviewed journals. Meaning they're not just on the whim of some feminist. They're researched studies. Quite a few of those are definitely on mainstream sources.
I don't personally view news sources as good places to find statistics because they can word things differently or just flat out not provide a source at all.
Just because its source has been peer-reviewed that doesn't mean it's subjective. Do you have any sources for mainstream journals and things not authored by women?
@SolitarySolace sexism can affect anyone, what YOU fail to understand is that the same system that keeps people like you above women is the same system that allows for things like male sa victims to not be taken seriously, for men to not enter dangerous fields, and for men to be silent victims of abuse.
It’s not women that created this system, it was created after the transitory period from feudalism to capitalism. Contrary to popular belief, systems like capitalism and patriarchy aren’t natural whatsoever.
They were systems of control and domination that were developed by the ruling class.
Capitalism is unnatural? Its literally trading what you have for what you want you absolute clown. Its the most basic concepts in all of existence. One of the first concepts children understand is ownership of stuff. This is one of the reasons women will never see the world the way men do. Objective truth to women is nebulous. Power and influence are for more effective tools to use on women because its just easier lol!
One of the first concepts children learn are letters, colors, and numbers. I guarantee a 3 year old can’t explain to you how the capitalist system works lmao
Also it’s very telling you go from talking about children to talking about women. Mental gymnastics much?
I have to agree with the anon guy who usually finds these posts, his view is to separate the world based on gender in a couple of the continents... I would suggest the Americas and probably Europe/Russia, I agree with it from an overpopulation principal because it's more humane and easier to justify than culling
The rantings of a angry deluded feminist. It's obvious to me that men are the biggest victims of sexism in society, which is why I can never take women like you seriously. You're like annoying insects that won't go away. But for the rest of my life I will always oppose feminists and their lies and hateful venom.
please look it up YouTube or reddit Male rape victim & see similarities to that of female victims. Society isn't kind to male victims at all & many part of the world don't even recognise that men can be raped. You only see through a tiny keyhole of difference between man & women. But as humans there is 99% similarities in between us. It is a lie that women can't rape a men & it is a lie that women can't commit violent crime. To commit such crimes one need intention & mind set, not muscle mass.
Girl preach. This is amazing. I’m so proud of other women having for bringing attention to these things and staying true to her word. You’re very right. Especially the female privilege part. Dont let anyone tell you differently.
by the way: "women who encourage them to get fit or go on diets because "that's how they got their looks"." Apparently, its only sexism when it comes from men. Noted, from now on, i can be sexist towards other women, without consequences.
Also by the way: Trans people are just that. Trans. male-to-female is just a man, who undergo surgeries to appear like a woman. But the fact remains, for years of his existence, he was a man.
Also, you say the world is changing, despite backsliding in the US? Are you Bipolar?
there's so much bullshit around sexism. just like there is about racism. having stereotypes isn't sexist. prefering a certain sex isn't sexist. liking a gender sexually isn't sexist. and sexually objectifying a gender is also not sexist...
Stereotypes, can and always will, be discriminatory against any group. Whether it be sexes, genders, races, religions, or any other group. Never once in this post did I say there was anything wrong with sexuality. Sorry, I don't really understand how objectifying a gender isn't sexism?
a stereotype isn't "discriminatory"... i'm german. germans are said to wear lederhosen and eat sauerkraut. that's a stereotype. how is that discriminatory?
So if there's stereotypes about men and women that doesn't mean you're forced to do what the stereotypes are. Everyone is so entitled to do what they want. Truth is: men and women have to earn it first. And it's usually those that didn't earn shit that complain.
To be honest in real life women and men, I rarely see them fighting about gender, about their superior gender. Most people just fight, men with men, women with women
I also rarely see women complain about gender equality, my female friends at school never even think about gender equality, they all think they are equal with man what else should I protest about gender equality
all the women I met never thought about gender equality. they all think that men and women are equal, why should they join the demonstration? if they are asked to take part in demostration they mostly say "lazy"
Not all women constantly have a social justice drive. That's perfectly fine. Nobody who's part of a group that faces discrimination should have to always stand up for their rights. Also in your first comment, you said "superior gender"? Are you saying men are better than women or that feminists think that we're "better than men". Because that's often a common misconception. We want global fundamental human rights, and the same opportunities (and sure, disadvantages), as men.
In fact, perhaps men should also demonstrate👍👍, that discrimination against men is not considered "an example of a case like Johnny Deep who was slandered by his wife for committing violence against women"
honestly discrimination against men is still high people will not believe if women do violence against men or men cry no women or men care.
but to be honest no one has ever protested against discrimination against men as if men were like that as if men were destined to be ready to accept slander from women and should not cry. a quote "My grandmother once said be careful with women. Because justice is hard to come by when men deal with women" @Femphile_xoxo
Feminism isn't something purely limited to Twitter and GaG. There are women's marches, protests, and all sorts of foundations. I agree, we should achieve a place where everyone can co-exist with gender tolerance and acceptance. But that's not where we're at right now.
In this post, I never invalidated male-specific issues. But at the same time, there are indeed tons of people who protest for "male rights". Despite really they should be focusing on dissolving toxic masculinity because those same people then call others "bitches", "simps" or "pussies" when another guy agrees with a girl. It's a double-edged sword and not at all the intent of this post.
and in fact, discrimination against women is also double-edged (for women). Some say it's not discrimination, some say it's discrimination. Example: 1. women can't be presidents (my mother won't vote for female presidents because she knows how women lead 2. women can't join war/become soldiers. (my grandmother doesn't allow grandchildren or daughters), because she thinks it's work men and men are more proficient in this and also he is afraid if women join the war they will be raped/become hostage and, why not become a nurse or doctor to serve the country, there are still many ways
I've said this again and again. Women can be sexist too. Saying a woman can't lead a nation is totally sexist!!! Just because a woman says something doesn't mean that suddenly all women think that. Discriminating based on gender, that's the definition of sexism!!! You're kinda just comparing your grandmother to the opinion of "most women".
Saying a woman can't lead because of the way "women lead" is total bs. Nations with female leaders are doing quite fine actually!!
2. Women make up 20% of the US military, and are fully capable of fighting in wars! Military sexual violence is a huge issue but they want to fight for their country. What, a woman can't fight in a war simply because she has a vagina? Give me a break 🥱
lol you misunderstood a lot of women in this world also don't agree that he is led by women and doesn't let their daughters go to war or become soldiers. and their children also don't care (obeying their mother's orders for them is more important and nobler☺☺). and I also don't care if my country is led by a man or a woman as long as he is a good person (I really like it if the president in my country is Alice Mary Higgins.
if we go back to the old days (royal times) actually women also don't care whether they are allowed to become soldiers or not. in fact, perhaps many of them did not want to be in the army for fear of death or rape.
I don't know since when there was an understanding of feminism, sexism, I've never heard of anything like that in when born 2004-2018 (I just found out) hmm...🤔🤔🤔
Ever since I was born I thought that all women and men were equal. I don't know when the term sexism, feminism came about. and also men don't really care if for example men are prohibited from working as... because this is a woman's job.
if you think about it actually my grandmother is very kind, she doesn't allow her daughter or grandson to join the war because of instinct as a woman like that they want the best for their daughter and granddaughter and if they keep breaking and joining the war , grandma doesn't care either. most importantly I have warned and forbade it.
like you for example if your mother forbid you to "don't use drugs or drink alcohol" if you violate it your mother also doesn't know and if you really love and respect your mother then you won't do it parents know , if they say this they just wanted to protect his daughter.
I remember a father who cried😭😭😭 because his son had turned into a woman. (After watching the video, I learned to obey and respect my parents' decisions.
The real discrimination is for example, women are prohibited from choosing men , they must obey men who have been matched, women cannot go to school, women cannot go to college, women cannot work. ☺☺☺👍👍 @Femphile_xoxo
and for example women are prohibited from being religious leaders, priests or bishops, women also don't care, and many women agree because it violates the rules of the catholic religion. @Femphile_xoxo
and I suggest if you want to help about women's gender equality, you might be able to do it maybe protest to the presidential palace or raise funds for women 👍👍☺☺☺ on this site a lot of MEN DO NOT CARE ABOUT TALKING FROM WOMEN... thanks
and so that you are not considered a hypocrite because nowadays people accuse each other of being hypocrites, they say on social media: #stop bullying #stop discrimination , even though he is at home often unknowingly often insults his sister or friend @Femphile_xoxo
Don't care, or don't have a voice? If the only thing you can defend yourself with is "women don't care they're oppressed", find something better. The reason that some women don't care is that it's been ingrained into their minds through manipulation from birth. If anything, that makes it worse. But trust me, there are plenty of women who DON'T want that. Who would?
I GIVE UP...🏳🏳🏳 YOU WIN IN THIS DEBATE👍👍😔😔😔. I realized earlier that giving up on women was better than me having to defend my ego.😔😔
I just feel sorry for the mothers who often talk in FB groups (1. my daughter is now starting to argue with me because she is consumed by feminism she thinks I discriminate against her even though I just want my daughter not to wear sexy clothes and start modestly dressed, unrelated sex before marriage i support gender equality, but behind feminism there are toxic people who cause girls to start arguing with their mothers, i cry when i see my daugther start fighting with me😭😭 2. I used to raise , abeautiful daughter but now she is a handsome son (trans and lesbi)😭😭, if i forbid her she says“discrimination against women, i have warned him many times but he still refuses me)
I actually don't like people who talk about WHY WOMEN. ... ? WHY MEN?, feminism, sexism, why women only want money... and other things that can cause debate... .. because it's a sensitive topic that can cause fights between men and women. thanks... soryyy... 🙂🙂🙂👍👍😔😔🏳🏳🏳🏳😊😊
There can and always will be pushback between parents and their teenage kids. That's just family. Though saying that being trans is due to feminism is wrong 🥱🥱and just transphobic, so I feel really sorry for that kid.
Not all women believe sexism exists, that's a fact. And some women are sexist and anti-woman as well. Though that doesn't invalidate sexism at all.
I can't do anything you win yes you win 👍👍👍 , I can only pray "may God give guidance so that your brain doesn't go astray and straight back 👍👍" sorryyy bey😊😊😊 @Femphile_xoxo@Femphile_xoxo
Yes men and women are different therefore sexism. Solved that for you real quick. You would have thought you would have figured that out during the whole novel you wrote but nope. If only you went a few more sentences... smh.
@Subarugirl the whole idea of double standard doesn't even make sense for dating. Thats the whole point. If you really dont like double standards you would have to be gay or some kind if androgynous who only dates other androgynous.
@Subarugirl everything with dating is sexist. If it wasn't it would be two androgynous people dating. Do you want a man who wears a dress and acts exactly like you? No. You dont. Just like men dont want a woman who acts like a man. Just like a woman wants a sperm producer to make a family a man seeks a woman for her womb. The whole point is sexual differentiation. Which is sexist! Sexism is great and personally i strive for as much sexism as possible. Im ultra masculine and my girlfriend is ultra feminine. Its amazing!
Okay let me try and phrase this in a way that you can understand. Sexism is prejudice or discrimination based on one's sex or gender. Sexism can affect anyone, but it primarily affects women and girls. It has been linked to stereotypes and gender roles, and may include the belief that one sex or gender is intrinsically superior to another. Extreme sexism may foster sexual harassment, rape, and other forms of sexual violence. Gender discrimination may encompass sexism. Recognizing differences is not sexism.
@Subarugirl yes prejudice and discrimination. Exactly. Thats a good thing. I discriminate against men sexually because im not gay. I discriminate with women by holding the door and paying for a date. To not discriminate based on sex requires androgynous roles and behaviors. Realistically nobody wants this at all.
To you it's apparently only considered "bad" if it's affecting women. But when it's affecting men it's not an issue unless it affects women in some way? That seems like sexism in and of itself towards men. For an advocate against sexism, you're quite sexist @Subarugirl
Sexism can affect anyone, but it primarily affects women and girls.
Primarily affects women and girls.
Primarily.
That's not saying it affects both men and women equally. That's saying women recieve more sexism than men. Which isn't true because sexism against men isn't taken seriously
@SolitarySolace because it doesn't...… just like how racism effect white people and black people differently... it's really don't that difficult to understand. Just like how women are more likely to sufferer from sexual abuse then men are.
I mean just look up the definition of the word, Definition of sexism 1 : prejudice or discrimination based on sex especially : discrimination against women
@Subarugirl for example if women dont like the double standard about sleeping around, why dont they just slut shame men and desire virgin men, instead of insisting on sleeping with the same "studs"... they keep the double standard going just as much if not more than men do.
@Subarugirl oh maybe you haven't been on gag much but men wanting virgins or slut shaming is called a double standard a lot by women. If it isn't then I've personally not heard of any others talked about very much. So is it even a problem anyone even cares about?
I've been on gag for over a year.. and generally slut shaming is a double standard because its primarily women who are shamed for it... have you ever heard of a man being subjugated to a virginity test?
I think it probably has something to do with women believing it’s ok so sexualize themselves without any reprocussions 🤷🏻♂️ Instead believing it’s somehow empowering. The whole sexual liberation movement is to blame and women are causing their own problems and blaming men @Subarugirl. The problem is these women don’t understand that and they keep doing it and the same results happen. That’s not the fault of men, that’s the fault of these women
@SolitarySolace it has to do with women wanting the same freedoms men have in their sexuality. People are responsible for their own actions and that’s it. If a man rapes a woman, or sexually assaults her, or abuses her that’s on him and him alone and vise versa.
@Subarugirl "because its primarily women who are shamed for it" ... yes. And why dont women shame men for it but instead reward them? You know the double standard could be equal by men being shamed for sleeping around and virgin men being valued. Why is it mens responsibility to end a double standard they dont care about when women are just as capable and responsible for ending the double standard and solving their own problem?
Funny how to jump to rape as a defense. A woman’s life must be oh so hard. Couldn’t imagine what it’s like to have the entirety of society at your beck and call to destroy men before they’ve even done something they haven’t and most likely won’t ever do. 🤷🏻♂️ guilty until proven innocent is the way of the woman
@Subarugirl how am i ignorant when you never address what i say? Lol. Why dont girls end the double standard by just adopting the same standard as men? I mean wouldn't that end it? Maybe im just too ignorant smh
Its best to just ignore women like her, @bamesjond0069. They claim to be for equality when really they're for women at the detriment of men. I mean she wouldn't be arguing with you if she didn't have an agenda that benefits women and women only. There's no middle ground with her. So just let it go
"society not being able to see past biological differences."
:D :D :D What the hell was this? :D :D :D I spit out the water i was drinking, when i have read that. So, just how different we are biologically, exactly? Very different anatomy, huh?
@AvaOneLasTime i read somewhere that at the default sex of a human is female (XX sex chromosomes) so we kind of have the same beginning but in case of males, Y chromosome makes the difference: Some say that thebY chromosome is much more prone to "defects" (i never really understood what it meant, my biology sucks)
@AvaOneLasTime When I said that, I wasn't saying that biologically and anatomically, men and women are the same. That's certainly not true. What I meant was that as a community we should be able to offer opportunities, and praise to people based on their personality, and drive rather than their gender. There are, however, anatomical differences. This is why when men take estrogen, or women, testosterone boosters for transexual transitioning, there are changes made to their body. If you study anatomy, you should be able to know that there are indeed differences. Reproductive organs are the most prominent difference.
""I think sexism stems from society not being able to see past biological differences." You think but you're wrong. That's exactly why you have your own female privileges men can't have. Like not having to sign up for draft, shorter sentences for the same crime a man did, hitting a man isn't as taboo as hitting a woman, having women shelters available and funded, the sympathy you get when ever you address your personal issue (not speaking for others) and so on. There's more of it. The only thing is you don't even give yourself time to see it. You just wanna focus on demanding. Really tho, you that bored that you just wanna a problem a big deal just to solve?
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So let me get this straight. The vast majority of women's oppression is people criticizing them. The the remainder of these issues (the violent ones) are what men face just about if not more often than women do.
Men wish they have these problems because they are currently hearing from the courts that they are incapable of being good fathers or that women's abuses are harmless and are therefore not abuse or that they are suspected to being abusers themselves.
The average man has no more power than the average woman. This will never become true no matter how many times you say it is and will only keep the sexes fighting against each other with narratives like that.
The vast majority of women's oppression are in sexist laws. Take for example the abortion laws in the US, or the marital rape loopholes. Or the fact that sexual education in the US is only required to be medically accurate in 13 states. We also deal with men who think that if they help us they automatically are "entitled to sex". If we get harassed at all we're either told that means the boy likes us or it's our fault because of our clothing.
If you want other countries, in Saudi Arabia women aren't allowed to vote, in Kenya, womens groups are creating their own villages because of the terrible mistreatment from their husbands (and then get raided and kidnapped on a daily to be forced back into those living conditions).
I'm not trying to get the sexes to fight at all? I don't know why so many dismissive people always say that. It's like the whole point of this post just goes right over your head.
Girls want the fundamental human rights that men always get. Worldwide.
I guess you're still ignoring the fact that it still goes both ways. And of course we're now misogynistic for just addressing the other side of the story right? Or there might be another reason why arguments like this gets heated up also because feminists can start talking about their agenda while also bashing on men but not wanting to be debunked. While you wanna continue talking about how men say men have it worse, i can also be talking about women bitching on men for having male privileges. Your gender isn't the only victim of sexism here. I mean sure you're not saying "only women are victims of sexism" but why talk about men silencing your agenda when feminists do it too?
This post has NOTHING to do with male-bashing. I know the moment women speak out about sexism face you immediately want to tell us to stop insulting men. BUT WE'RE NOT. Yes, women can be sexist too, that's not a new fact.
You are not male bashing but you are still being one-sided which is exactly why I am talking about the other side of the story. Why not?
Your version of the "other side" is just telling women to stop "bitching" about their "personal" problems.
And you see, you really like to claim you're not bashing one men. But if i say the same thing, it wouldn't make much difference. It's not different if i say you're also bashing on men but you just wanna continue proving to me your hypocrisy anyways.
I'm asking you how I'm doing that. Instead of providing me with any evidence, you've said that I'm just bitching about what I'm saying. What rights have you lost? I understand military drafting and increased rates of being charged with longer sentences. But other than that, what else?
Ok then im bashing for talking about how men have their issues as well since you never mentioned it but you're not bashing on men for making that mytake for whatever reason. It's almost like the double standards some people had been trying to prove. What else? here you go because you asked for it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ucR-1NodAs
Women will create a fantasy world, claim that it's men who think they should accept this fantasy they've created (catcalls, comments constantly.. yea, sure), and then call actual men garbage for saying something they didn't, for something that isn't so.
This whole comment is completely unrelated to the post! And instead just serves to passively try to dismiss women's rights 😜
It sucks that it's too big of a pill for you to swallow. Never once did I call a man "garbage" in this post, nor did I say that men were terrible. To add to this "fantasy", women in Saudia Arabia aren't allowed to drive. In Russia, domestic violence that doesn't cause "significant damage (hospitalization)" is legal, and first-time abusers who put their partners in the hospital pay as little as 5,000 rubles which is ~$88.
Listen to this gaslighting nonsense: "If you don't validate all the nonsense I say, you don't believe in women's right..."
The fact that you can't even come up with a situation from your own country shows how transparently nonsensical your rant is...
If you want a US example, abortion laws. More and more laws in the US are being put in place to prevent women from getting abortions. They're not pro-life, they're anti-woman. This prevents women from seeking abortions from not being able to get them and on top of that, an increase in teen mothers.
Only 13 states require medically accurate sexual education. Even then, many schools still preach abstinence rather than educating students on birth control methods and STD prevention.
The fact that female veterans don't get childcare support or certain basic needs. Because legally, agencies aren't allowed to give those women child support!
Trust me, oppression is still strong in America.
Well said, sexism is so common we all get used to it, cat calls or being bumped or grabbed in crowded area's... intentionally.
Guess I never saw it as my problem, that I must of been asking for it or something... by wearing T-shirts and jeans.
Thank you for the Mytake to bring attention to it.
Men don't have it easy either just so you know. We all have our problems in life. "That's 216,000 victims, not instances. These victims are often assaulted multiple times over the course of the year. The Justice Department now seems to be saying that prison rape accounted for the majority of all rapes committed in the US in 2008, likely making the United States the first country in the history of the world to count more rapes for men than for women." Also men are more likely to be the victims of assault in the USA as well. https://www. google. com/amp/s/amp. theguardian. com/commentisfree/cifamerica/2012/feb/21/us-more-men-raped-than-women. https://www. cbs. nl/en-gb/news/2018/51/fewer-women-than-men-fall-victim-to-violence
Sorry it's just a wall of text, it wasn't like that in the preview 🤷♂️
So in short, men get raped more and violently assaulted more in the USA. I don't like focusing on issues based on biological sex, we should be focusing on violence against humans in general in an egalitarian effort to unite us against psychopaths.
Inb4 somebody calls me a misogynist right after my breath of uniting together.
well spoken.
Guys have it super easy! We go through soooo much between clothes n bod issues. I’d like a guy go to the gyno n get poked n stuff and worry bout everything.
Totally!!
God forbid us, women, to whisper about the issues we face. Oh! Sorry, I mean "our inconveniences" that are *nothing* compared to what men face 😒😒😒
Don't guys get prostate exams? I think the gyno thing might actually be discrimination against men if they aren't able to get routine check ups on their genitals
Belive me , If have have ability to give birth I am redy to go to Gynecologist every month & get poked & before you say anything I have delivered babies as an intern. Guys don't have it easy , once you truly see the world you will see nobody is having easy. & Guys have clothes & bod isse too. Guys are much more likely to be called fat & bullied.
Clothes?
Don't make me laugh.
I'm not going to pretend your not a woman. I got 500+ million years of instincts telling me this is one of the most important and useful distinction about a persons.
If you want to control the world your only option will always be to control yourself. Yes that does mean if you have something valuable you don't flaunt it unless you want to risk them trying to get it. It doesn't matter if that thing is your body, nature doesn't care. if its on display its on offer at some level.
The future is not bright, b/c Fifth wave feminism and woke ideology has divided us and more people then ever are saying no to relationships, and to anyone who says "good there are too many people anyway" you either don't know how population works or you've been black pilled.
You can't blame feminism for a divide between the sexes. You can blame the actual gaps, socially and economically, for those. I don't really know what you meant by "saying no to relationships". Do you mean the men's rights groups who blame women for them being single (when they're just angry that women aren't submitting to them), or women who simply don't have their lives revolving around finding a partner?
I'd say I meant both groups, and I should've also added Incel culture to the list of things dividing men and women, my bias is showing. I guess I'm just disturbed to think that there will be a whole group of men and women dying alone in 50+ years.
Sexism, racism, etc. really is a personal problem. The law has already legally rectified these issues, but the law can only cover the legal aspect of a society. There are other faucets to society besides what is legal. Even if society changes, there will ALWAYS be someone who is ignorant.
And that's where you're wrong! There are still plenty of sexist laws, just look at the abortion laws in the US or oppressive laws in places like Saudi Arabia. On top of that, societal discrimination is DEFINITELY not a personal problem. When it's systemic, that's not just a "personal" thing.
The fact that women in the west still think they're oppressed on a systemic level is border line delusional. Women have literally never possessed more social power than they do right now. Your complaint on here is women shaving? My gosh, I shave and it's not that big of a deal. I'm an extremely hairy guy and my wife finds it to be too much. I don't mind keeping up my appearance.
If we're so powerful why are women not allowed to leave the country without approval from heir husbands in some countries? Why is it legal to kidnap and marry a girl in some countries? Why in the US are abortion rights being restricted? Please explain to me why we have so much "power" and yet in places like Kenya, girls have their genitals mutilated and are forced to flee their homes due to such terrible abuse?
It is not "borderline delusional" - it is delusional as hell, and also very manipulative and psychopathic. Women write posts like this to increase their victim status, to get the women here to like them more and to identify and manipulate the simps on GaG.
@Femphile_xoxo Then go aim your "feminism" over there, not here in the west where you're THE MOST PRIVILEGED woman ever walking the face of the Earth in human history. Last time I checked in Ukraine, it is the MEN who are FORCED to stay and FIGHT. While the women are free to leave the country. And we've seen them doing so in the masses. Oh but by all means, do tell us more about how "oppressed" you are when statistics are clearly not on your side
@TruthBringer Time and time again on this post I have said, MEN HAVE THEIR OWN ISSUES. But, the issues you guys quote at me are all relating to higher rates of incrimination and military requirements. Yes, the fact that men between the ages of 16-and 60(I think, right?) are required to stay and fight is terrible!!! Women weren't even allowed to join the military in the US until recently. Women in the US are having the right to choose is restricted. There is still a lot of injustice in the US. I don't have the ability to fight for women's rights in other countries.
@Femphile_xoxo Your entire Take is a rant about how bad women have it and that they "need to be lifted to the level of men", while neglecting the fact that on many levels you actually have it much better than men. Asif men are living in some utopia here. While stats clearly prove the contrary. There is a big contrast between what you're saying now and what you're ranting about in your Take. You know you're living in a great society when you have the privilege to complain about things you don't have, while neglecting all the good that you do. Good that other women around the globe do not have. That is an incredibly privileged position, to begin with.
Great post. I totally agree with everything!
Also - I've seen a lot of misogynistic comments in this chat and others on GAG, and I think that this should be changed.
Totally!! Sexism has been proven time and time again and yet for some reason, people are allowed to say it doesn't exist on this platform?
Simp.
@msc545 A guy can't support women's rights without being a simp? 🥱
Nope. Only simps do that these days. Try supporting men's rights if you actually believe we have any.
@msc545 Men do have rights. of 197 independent states, 12 nations have female leaders. In what way are your rights being restricted? Is it cause women are finally getting rights and the small group of people you belong to just simply can't share the spotlight?
Sure, we get "rights" right up until you decide to make an accusation or you need money or protection.
@msc545 if you mean money, I assume you're talking about child support? Something that is completely reasonable. And even then, 65% of men don't pay their child support bills even if it was ordered by the court.
It sickens me that people like you think that all sexual harassment, rape and sexual abuse claims are just "girls making a swing choice".
It sickens me that you make up statistics and that you think you know what I think or believe.
@msc545 It sickens me that you've been raised to think this way.
This may shock you but I was not "raised this way" - unlike you, I think on my own.
@msc545 None of the statistics or facts I use are made up. All of them are either from studies, clear laws, well-known fact, s or peer-reviewed journals.
Link to all of your sources on here or STFU.
@msc545 Here you go!
Becker, Anne E. “Television, Disordered Eating, and Young Women in Fiji: Negotiating Body Image and Identity during Rapid Social Change.” Culture, Medicine and Psychiatry, vol. 28, no. 4, Dec. 2004, pp. 533–559, 10.1007/s11013-004-1067-5.
Brashear, Ivy. “Only 13 States Offer Medically Accurate Sex Education. Here’s How to Fill in the Gaps.” YES! Magazine, 21 Mar. 2019, www.yesmagazine.org/.../sex-education-kids-learn-anatomy
Keski-Rahkonen, Anna, et al. “Epidemiology and Course of Anorexia Nervosa in the Community.” American Journal of Psychiatry, vol. 164, no. 8, Aug. 2007, pp. 1259–1265, 10.1176/appi. ajp.2007.06081388. Accessed 20 Oct. 2019.
LAI, KELLY Y. C. “Anorexia Nervosa in Chinese Adolescents—Does Culture Make a Difference?” Journal of Adolescence, vol. 23, no. 5, Oct. 2000, pp. 561–568, 10.1006/jado.2000.0343. Accessed 10 Nov. 2019.
“Lesbophobia Is Homophobia with a Side Order of Sexism.” Sunstroke Magazine, www.sunstrokemagazine.com/.../lesbophobia-is-homophobia-with-a-side-order-of-sexism
Lingiardi, Vittorio, and Nicola Nardelli. “Transphobia - an Overview ScienceDirect Topics.” Contemporary Psychodynamic Psychotherapy, 2019, www.sciencedirect.com/.../transphobia Accessed 22 Apr. 2022.
McManus, Sally, et al. “Prevalence of Non-Suicidal Self-Harm and Service Contact in England, 2000–14: Repeated Cross-Sectional Surveys of the General Population.” The Lancet Psychiatry, vol. 6, no. 7, July 2019, pp. 573–581, 10.1016/s2215-0366(19)30188-9. Accessed 12 Apr. 2020.
Morgan, Catharine, et al. “Incidence, Clinical Management, and Mortality Risk Following Self Harm among Children and Adolescents: Cohort Study in Primary Care.” BMJ, vol. 359, 18 Oct. 2017, p. j4351, www.bmj.com/content/359/bmj.j4351, 10.1136/bmj. j4351.
National Sexual Violence Resource Center. “Statistics.” National Sexual Violence Resource Center, 2018, www.nsvrc.org/statistics
Stice, Eric, et al. “An 8-Year Longitudinal Study of the Natural History of Threshold, Subthreshold, and Partial Eating Disorders from a Community Sample of Adolescents.” Journal of Abnormal Psychology, vol. 118, no. 3, 2009, pp. 587–97, www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19685955, 10.1037/a0016481.
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@msc545 Poor guy had nothing more to say. @Femphile_xoxo You've proved your point 😁
What right is @oliversamuel "defending"? The right for women to be misandristic to men?
@SolitarySolace No - sorry if that was confusing. I just think that there should be equal rights.
@Femphile_xoxo Do you happen to have any articles in mainstream publications, or ones that are NOT authored by feminists?
@SolitarySolace No, he is defending, like any good white knight, his right to kiss ass in the hope of getting laid. Very sad.
@msc545 The sources I have are peer-reviewed journals. Meaning they're not just on the whim of some feminist. They're researched studies. Quite a few of those are definitely on mainstream sources.
I don't personally view news sources as good places to find statistics because they can word things differently or just flat out not provide a source at all.
@SolitarySolace Providing sources is misandry?
Just because its source has been peer-reviewed that doesn't mean it's subjective. Do you have any sources for mainstream journals and things not authored by women?
I ask because women have so much political power at this point that I don't necessarily trust anything they have authored without men being involved.
Additionally if you know him do you think you can get that whining symp to shut up so we can actually talk to each other?
I'm just going to stop adding on to this endless argument. Goodbye!
bye now.
Im in love with this take 💕 well said ! Based and feminist-pilled take 👍🏽👍🏽Keep it up
"Because apparently sexism is a female problem and something a man can't deal with"
@SolitarySolace sexism can affect anyone, what YOU fail to understand is that the same system that keeps people like you above women is the same system that allows for things like male sa victims to not be taken seriously, for men to not enter dangerous fields, and for men to be silent victims of abuse.
It’s not women that created this system, it was created after the transitory period from feudalism to capitalism. Contrary to popular belief, systems like capitalism and patriarchy aren’t natural whatsoever.
They were systems of control and domination that were developed by the ruling class.
And women are benefiting more from it than men regardless of why it's happening.
Capitalism is unnatural? Its literally trading what you have for what you want you absolute clown. Its the most basic concepts in all of existence. One of the first concepts children understand is ownership of stuff. This is one of the reasons women will never see the world the way men do. Objective truth to women is nebulous. Power and influence are for more effective tools to use on women because its just easier lol!
www.damemagazine.com/.../
@ SolitarySolace no
@demonics it’s embarrassing you’re defending capitalism when you don’t even understand what it is.
What you’re describing is bartering.
One of the first concepts children learn are letters, colors, and numbers. I guarantee a 3 year old can’t explain to you how the capitalist system works lmao
Also it’s very telling you go from talking about children to talking about women. Mental gymnastics much?
I have to agree with the anon guy who usually finds these posts, his view is to separate the world based on gender in a couple of the continents... I would suggest the Americas and probably Europe/Russia, I agree with it from an overpopulation principal because it's more humane and easier to justify than culling
The rantings of a angry deluded feminist. It's obvious to me that men are the biggest victims of sexism in society, which is why I can never take women like you seriously. You're like annoying insects that won't go away. But for the rest of my life I will always oppose feminists and their lies and hateful venom.
Men are the biggest victims of sexism? Omg, now that's a funny joke.
Yes, and more men, and women, are waking up to this fact. You can only fool people for so long.
please look it up YouTube or reddit Male rape victim & see similarities to that of female victims. Society isn't kind to male victims at all & many part of the world don't even recognise that men can be raped. You only see through a tiny keyhole of difference between man & women. But as humans there is 99% similarities in between us. It is a lie that women can't rape a men & it is a lie that women can't commit violent crime. To commit such crimes one need intention & mind set, not muscle mass.
Girl preach. This is amazing. I’m so proud of other women having for bringing attention to these things and staying true to her word. You’re very right. Especially the female privilege part. Dont let anyone tell you differently.
They can try! But unfortunately, this post was just written in 30min when I was bored. 😉
God forbid what happens the next time I get bored!
There you go, you've just admitted that this entire piece you wrote was out of emotion, instead of taking the time for actual research.
You probably had a verbal argument with someone recently.
This is why so many people, including a lot of women I see, can't take you seriously.
Sorry, but this is just... copy-paste. I have read several similar articles like this one before.
You did no favor and no good to me with this Take.
by the way:
"women who encourage them to get fit or go on diets because "that's how they got their looks"."
Apparently, its only sexism when it comes from men. Noted, from now on, i can be sexist towards other women, without consequences.
Also by the way: Trans people are just that. Trans. male-to-female is just a man, who undergo surgeries to appear like a woman. But the fact remains, for years of his existence, he was a man.
Also, you say the world is changing, despite backsliding in the US?
Are you Bipolar?
there's so much bullshit around sexism. just like there is about racism. having stereotypes isn't sexist. prefering a certain sex isn't sexist. liking a gender sexually isn't sexist. and sexually objectifying a gender is also not sexist...
Stereotypes, can and always will, be discriminatory against any group. Whether it be sexes, genders, races, religions, or any other group. Never once in this post did I say there was anything wrong with sexuality.
Sorry, I don't really understand how objectifying a gender isn't sexism?
a stereotype isn't "discriminatory"... i'm german. germans are said to wear lederhosen and eat sauerkraut. that's a stereotype. how is that discriminatory?
So if there's stereotypes about men and women that doesn't mean you're forced to do what the stereotypes are. Everyone is so entitled to do what they want. Truth is: men and women have to earn it first. And it's usually those that didn't earn shit that complain.
To be honest in real life women and men, I rarely see them fighting about gender, about their superior gender. Most people just fight, men with men, women with women
I also rarely see women complain about gender equality, my female friends at school never even think about gender equality, they all think they are equal with man what else should I protest about gender equality
all the women I met never thought about gender equality. they all think that men and women are equal, why should they join the demonstration? if they are asked to take part in demostration they mostly say "lazy"
@Femphile_xoxo
Not all women constantly have a social justice drive. That's perfectly fine. Nobody who's part of a group that faces discrimination should have to always stand up for their rights. Also in your first comment, you said "superior gender"? Are you saying men are better than women or that feminists think that we're "better than men". Because that's often a common misconception. We want global fundamental human rights, and the same opportunities (and sure, disadvantages), as men.
"superior gender" I mean people who are proud of each other's "they gender"(male or female) even though women and men are equal.
I just want to live in harmony between women and men like in my real life, the average on Twitter or GAG fights between genders. @Femphile_xoxo 😊😊😊👍👍👍
In fact, perhaps men should also demonstrate👍👍, that discrimination against men is not considered "an example of a case like Johnny Deep who was slandered by his wife for committing violence against women"
honestly discrimination against men is still high people will not believe if women do violence against men or men cry no women or men care.
@Femphile_xoxo 👍👍👍👍
but to be honest no one has ever protested against discrimination against men as if men were like that as if men were destined to be ready to accept slander from women and should not cry. a quote "My grandmother once said be careful with women. Because justice is hard to come by when men deal with women" @Femphile_xoxo
Feminism isn't something purely limited to Twitter and GaG. There are women's marches, protests, and all sorts of foundations. I agree, we should achieve a place where everyone can co-exist with gender tolerance and acceptance. But that's not where we're at right now.
In this post, I never invalidated male-specific issues. But at the same time, there are indeed tons of people who protest for "male rights". Despite really they should be focusing on dissolving toxic masculinity because those same people then call others "bitches", "simps" or "pussies" when another guy agrees with a girl. It's a double-edged sword and not at all the intent of this post.
Sorry, I didn't comment on your post or hate your post. I'm discussing different things
and in fact, discrimination against women is also double-edged (for women). Some say it's not discrimination, some say it's discrimination. Example: 1. women can't be presidents (my mother won't vote for female presidents because she knows how women lead 2. women can't join war/become soldiers. (my grandmother doesn't allow grandchildren or daughters), because she thinks it's work men and men are more proficient in this and also he is afraid if women join the war they will be raped/become hostage and, why not become a nurse or doctor to serve the country, there are still many ways
@Femphile_xoxo 👍👍👍👍 thanks...
I've said this again and again. Women can be sexist too. Saying a woman can't lead a nation is totally sexist!!! Just because a woman says something doesn't mean that suddenly all women think that. Discriminating based on gender, that's the definition of sexism!!! You're kinda just comparing your grandmother to the opinion of "most women".
Saying a woman can't lead because of the way "women lead" is total bs. Nations with female leaders are doing quite fine actually!!
2. Women make up 20% of the US military, and are fully capable of fighting in wars! Military sexual violence is a huge issue but they want to fight for their country. What, a woman can't fight in a war simply because she has a vagina? Give me a break 🥱
lol you misunderstood a lot of women in this world also don't agree that he is led by women and doesn't let their daughters go to war or become soldiers. and their children also don't care (obeying their mother's orders for them is more important and nobler☺☺). and I also don't care if my country is led by a man or a woman as long as he is a good person (I really like it if the president in my country is Alice Mary Higgins.
if we go back to the old days (royal times) actually women also don't care whether they are allowed to become soldiers or not. in fact, perhaps many of them did not want to be in the army for fear of death or rape.
@Femphile_xoxo
I don't know since when there was an understanding of feminism, sexism, I've never heard of anything like that in when born 2004-2018 (I just found out) hmm...🤔🤔🤔
@Femphile_xoxo
Ever since I was born I thought that all women and men were equal. I don't know when the term sexism, feminism came about. and also men don't really care if for example men are prohibited from working as... because this is a woman's job.
if you think about it actually my grandmother is very kind, she doesn't allow her daughter or grandson to join the war because of instinct as a woman like that they want the best for their daughter and granddaughter and if they keep breaking and joining the war , grandma doesn't care either. most importantly I have warned and forbade it.
like you for example if your mother forbid you to "don't use drugs or drink alcohol" if you violate it your mother also doesn't know and if you really love and respect your mother then you won't do it parents know , if they say this they just wanted to protect his daughter.
I remember a father who cried😭😭😭 because his son had turned into a woman. (After watching the video, I learned to obey and respect my parents' decisions.
The real discrimination is for example, women are prohibited from choosing men , they must obey men who have been matched, women cannot go to school, women cannot go to college, women cannot work. ☺☺☺👍👍 @Femphile_xoxo
and for example women are prohibited from being religious leaders, priests or bishops, women also don't care, and many women agree because it violates the rules of the catholic religion. @Femphile_xoxo
and I suggest if you want to help about women's gender equality, you might be able to do it maybe protest to the presidential palace or raise funds for women 👍👍☺☺☺ on this site a lot of MEN DO NOT CARE ABOUT TALKING FROM WOMEN... thanks
and so that you are not considered a hypocrite because nowadays people accuse each other of being hypocrites, they say on social media: #stop bullying #stop discrimination , even though he is at home often unknowingly often insults his sister or friend @Femphile_xoxo
Don't care, or don't have a voice? If the only thing you can defend yourself with is "women don't care they're oppressed", find something better. The reason that some women don't care is that it's been ingrained into their minds through manipulation from birth. If anything, that makes it worse. But trust me, there are plenty of women who DON'T want that. Who would?
I GIVE UP...🏳🏳🏳 YOU WIN IN THIS DEBATE👍👍😔😔😔. I realized earlier that giving up on women was better than me having to defend my ego.😔😔
I just feel sorry for the mothers who often talk in FB groups (1. my daughter is now starting to argue with me because she is consumed by feminism she thinks I discriminate against her even though I just want my daughter not to wear sexy clothes and start modestly dressed, unrelated sex before marriage i support gender equality, but behind feminism there are toxic people who cause girls to start arguing with their mothers, i cry when i see my daugther start fighting with me😭😭 2. I used to raise , abeautiful daughter but now she is a handsome son (trans and lesbi)😭😭, if i forbid her she says“discrimination against women, i have warned him many times but he still refuses me)
I actually don't like people who talk about WHY WOMEN. ... ? WHY MEN?, feminism, sexism, why women only want money... and other things that can cause debate... .. because it's a sensitive topic that can cause fights between men and women. thanks... soryyy...
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@Femphile_xoxo Beyyyyyy... I apologize for all my mistakes in front of you or behind you... ? ↗
Beyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy...,... 👍👍👍☺☺☺👍👍👍 ↗
There can and always will be pushback between parents and their teenage kids. That's just family. Though saying that being trans is due to feminism is wrong 🥱🥱and just transphobic, so I feel really sorry for that kid.
Not all women believe sexism exists, that's a fact. And some women are sexist and anti-woman as well. Though that doesn't invalidate sexism at all.
I can't do anything you win yes you win 👍👍👍 , I can only pray "may God give guidance so that your brain doesn't go astray and straight back 👍👍" sorryyy bey😊😊😊 @Femphile_xoxo @Femphile_xoxo
Yes men and women are different therefore sexism. Solved that for you real quick. You would have thought you would have figured that out during the whole novel you wrote but nope. If only you went a few more sentences... smh.
You would have a much different perspective if the rolls were reversed... your tune would change really quickly.
@Subarugirl Whats my role in it have to do with the facts?
This dude also considers girls with a 3 plus body count whores LOL
@myabe123 if i was a girl id damn sure wait until marriage. Its clearly the best option.
And if you wouldn’t becaus you’re a man.. that would be sexist. If you’re not a virgin yourself that is sexist
@Subarugirl yup it is sexist. Not sure what your point is.
That holding double standards is sexist
How many people have you slept with @bamesjond0069
@Subarugirl the whole idea of double standard doesn't even make sense for dating. Thats the whole point. If you really dont like double standards you would have to be gay or some kind if androgynous who only dates other androgynous.
@myabe123 a lot. Like mid 200s.
Jesus and I’m a whore?
@myabe123 you're making a wrong assumption. Men and women are different. Is a car a shitty boat because it sinks? Smh.
holding men and women to different moral standards regarding sex is sexist and sexism is bad...
@Subarugirl everything with dating is sexist. If it wasn't it would be two androgynous people dating. Do you want a man who wears a dress and acts exactly like you? No. You dont. Just like men dont want a woman who acts like a man. Just like a woman wants a sperm producer to make a family a man seeks a woman for her womb. The whole point is sexual differentiation. Which is sexist! Sexism is great and personally i strive for as much sexism as possible. Im ultra masculine and my girlfriend is ultra feminine. Its amazing!
Okay let me try and phrase this in a way that you can understand. Sexism is prejudice or discrimination based on one's sex or gender. Sexism can affect anyone, but it primarily affects women and girls. It has been linked to stereotypes and gender roles, and may include the belief that one sex or gender is intrinsically superior to another. Extreme sexism may foster sexual harassment, rape, and other forms of sexual violence. Gender discrimination may encompass sexism. Recognizing differences is not sexism.
@Subarugirl yes prejudice and discrimination. Exactly. Thats a good thing. I discriminate against men sexually because im not gay. I discriminate with women by holding the door and paying for a date. To not discriminate based on sex requires androgynous roles and behaviors. Realistically nobody wants this at all.
Okay apparently you're still having a hard time understanding... sexism and gender discrimination = bad... there are even laws about it.
To you it's apparently only considered "bad" if it's affecting women. But when it's affecting men it's not an issue unless it affects women in some way? That seems like sexism in and of itself towards men. For an advocate against sexism, you're quite sexist @Subarugirl
@SolitarySolace Nope never said that, sexism is bad period... sexism effects men and women... I don't know where you're getting that from.
Sexism can affect anyone, but it primarily affects women and girls.
Primarily affects women and girls.
Primarily.
That's not saying it affects both men and women equally. That's saying women recieve more sexism than men. Which isn't true because sexism against men isn't taken seriously
@SolitarySolace because it doesn't...… just like how racism effect white people and black people differently... it's really don't that difficult to understand. Just like how women are more likely to sufferer from sexual abuse then men are.
@Subarugirl if i buy what you say about sexism... why are women the primary proponents of sexism?
Proponents of or effected by it more severely then men?
I mean just look up the definition of the word,
Definition of sexism
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: prejudice or discrimination based on sex
especially : discrimination against women
@Subarugirl so why do women cause most of the double standards? They have just as much or more power to stop them yet they refuse.
Like what? Which double standards?
@Subarugirl for example if women dont like the double standard about sleeping around, why dont they just slut shame men and desire virgin men, instead of insisting on sleeping with the same "studs"... they keep the double standard going just as much if not more than men do.
Because slut shaming is wrong and two wrongs don’t make a right… that’s not a double standard
A double standard is defined as a rule or principle which is unfairly applied in different ways to different people or groups.
@Subarugirl oh maybe you haven't been on gag much but men wanting virgins or slut shaming is called a double standard a lot by women. If it isn't then I've personally not heard of any others talked about very much. So is it even a problem anyone even cares about?
I've been on gag for over a year.. and generally slut shaming is a double standard because its primarily women who are shamed for it... have you ever heard of a man being subjugated to a virginity test?
I think it probably has something to do with women believing it’s ok so sexualize themselves without any reprocussions 🤷🏻♂️ Instead believing it’s somehow empowering. The whole sexual liberation movement is to blame and women are causing their own problems and blaming men @Subarugirl. The problem is these women don’t understand that and they keep doing it and the same results happen. That’s not the fault of men, that’s the fault of these women
@SolitarySolace it has to do with women wanting the same freedoms men have in their sexuality. People are responsible for their own actions and that’s it. If a man rapes a woman, or sexually assaults her, or abuses her that’s on him and him alone and vise versa.
@Subarugirl "because its primarily women who are shamed for it" ... yes. And why dont women shame men for it but instead reward them? You know the double standard could be equal by men being shamed for sleeping around and virgin men being valued. Why is it mens responsibility to end a double standard they dont care about when women are just as capable and responsible for ending the double standard and solving their own problem?
Are women... helpless and just like to complain? I thought women were independent and capable of solving their own problems.
Wow are you really so ignorant or just like to pretend to be ignorant?
Funny how to jump to rape as a defense. A woman’s life must be oh so hard. Couldn’t imagine what it’s like to have the entirety of society at your beck and call to destroy men before they’ve even done something they haven’t and most likely won’t ever do. 🤷🏻♂️ guilty until proven innocent is the way of the woman
@Subarugirl how am i ignorant when you never address what i say? Lol. Why dont girls end the double standard by just adopting the same standard as men? I mean wouldn't that end it? Maybe im just too ignorant smh
Becaus a ton of the standards men have are bulshit and sexist as fuck….
Apparently are
@Subarugirl how is it sexist? Its not discrimination if the standard is the same for everyone.
Exactly standards not bigotry, did you flunk out of English or you being dense over purpose?
@Subarugirl i would think you did. So if its just equal standards it couldnt be a double standard or sexism.
Its best to just ignore women like her, @bamesjond0069. They claim to be for equality when really they're for women at the detriment of men. I mean she wouldn't be arguing with you if she didn't have an agenda that benefits women and women only. There's no middle ground with her. So just let it go
@SolitarySolace nice point!
Question: what do you think is the fundamental cause of all this behaviour towards women? Unfortunately i couldn't decipher it from this post.
I think sexism stems from society not being able to see past biological differences.
"society not being able to see past biological differences."
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What the hell was this? :D :D :D I spit out the water i was drinking, when i have read that. So, just how different we are biologically, exactly? Very different anatomy, huh?
I hope you realise that men and women are biologically different...
Yea, we start out as the same thing as fetus. What a fascinating diff... similarities.
No. The more i study anatomy, the more similarities i find.
@AvaOneLasTime i read somewhere that at the default sex of a human is female (XX sex chromosomes) so we kind of have the same beginning but in case of males, Y chromosome makes the difference: Some say that thebY chromosome is much more prone to "defects" (i never really understood what it meant, my biology sucks)
@AvaOneLasTime When I said that, I wasn't saying that biologically and anatomically, men and women are the same. That's certainly not true. What I meant was that as a community we should be able to offer opportunities, and praise to people based on their personality, and drive rather than their gender.
There are, however, anatomical differences. This is why when men take estrogen, or women, testosterone boosters for transexual transitioning, there are changes made to their body. If you study anatomy, you should be able to know that there are indeed differences. Reproductive organs are the most prominent difference.
""I think sexism stems from society not being able to see past biological differences." You think but you're wrong. That's exactly why you have your own female privileges men can't have. Like not having to sign up for draft, shorter sentences for the same crime a man did, hitting a man isn't as taboo as hitting a woman, having women shelters available and funded, the sympathy you get when ever you address your personal issue (not speaking for others) and so on. There's more of it. The only thing is you don't even give yourself time to see it. You just wanna focus on demanding. Really tho, you that bored that you just wanna a problem a big deal just to solve?
*Make a problem a big deal for you to solve?