What will the future of humankind be like. I don't like what I'm thinking.

[Dargil]

If I were better educated, I could have thought this out better, but here is the framework.

Prognosticators like Elon Musk are predicting AI will become self-aware take over much of non-physical digital human activity, while robotics will take over manufacture and even Service functions including Military operations. It brings up some uncomfortable questions and thoughts.

*When this occurs, what functions will remain the provinces of humans?
In my way of thinking, it will be Agriculture, which is impractical to mechanize, Human Services such as medicine and logistics, such as truck, train, auto and air transportation which contain too many infinitely variable circumstances to be reliably automated. There are others that fit these patterns.

*What will be the range of coverage? My thinking is nations of the "civilized world" with active economies and manufacturing sectors. It will stretch thin into the third world which will remain largely surviving on subsistence farming, becoming even more tribal and remote when "civilization" largely ignores it since poverty does not serve the marketplace. Starvation, disease and totalitarian dictatorships will depopulate the third world to a fraction of its present size.

*Back at home, how many prople do we need? Since AI and Robotics have largely replaced humans, civilized world populations will plummet due to disappearing jobs; creating a destitute proletariat that barely survives and is controlled by the AI Bureaucracy. Further, replacements will collapse in the civilized world while the third world reproduces to the limits of subsistence farming. So the "West" will depopulate to continued support of its economies while the third world overpopulates.

I think within 100 years of AI/Robotic control, the world population will decline by 50+% cut the civilized world will be reduced by 80% or more.

[sean1234]

Luke 17:26-27

And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

Genesis 6:4-8

There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.


This is key! ----->>>
and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Same as today! This continuing for 100 more years is arrogant. You forgot about kids everywhere getting autism from vaccines and it's not just limited to the covid shot. People are dying today from just eating normal junk food. Then the genetics get worse from every generation due to the crappy food screwing up the dna, this was 1st found out from the Pottenger cat study. To make a long story short, each cat got worse off, the same sickness the parent got, the offspring got sooner and sooner in life till all of the last generation to every cat couple were STERILE and ALL died off!!! This junk food has only existed for less than a century.

[BCA6010]

The fact that AI has so easily penetrated "creative" vocations means that it can theoretically replace almost anything. The potential for 50-80%+ I think is pretty fair, especially in a service industry dominated country.

You mention agriculture, which fair enough, some aspects simply don't make sense to mechanize, but the truth is that a lot of it still can be. Regarding agriculture, the much bigger concern should be that the government, and more specifically the fascist world government shills, are actively trying to reduce agricultural capacity even as the world population grows. Whether intentional or not, this will lead to food shortages and eventually famines, and incorporating AI is irrelevant to this problem.

Mass transportation services would actually be very easy to do, and there absolutely is a push to make this happen within a couple decades. Now, ultimately the powers that be don't actually want people traveling long distances much if at all, but automated electric Ubers while soft banning private ownership of cars (by making them too expensive for all but the elite upper crust) is a wet dream of the extremists. Trains would be very easy to automate and manage with AI, and semi to fully autonomous aircraft are already a thing. Some stuff such as mechanics would still need to be organic meat bags though.

Regarding populations, I think the aforementioned food shortages will do a lot of damage, but even without that factored in, the sharp drop in opportunities, purpose, or a way to make a living will send suicides especially by men into orbit. Additionally, pharmaceutical products that "accidentally" cause mass sterility will be rolled out as a form of population control in developed nations.

[Kelley1]

If Moore's had not ended, your fears would be justified. However, with the end of Moore's law there will still be advances such as larger and multi-layer transistors with thin silver plates between each layer to conduct away the heat. That might give us another 20 years of doubling but basically computer technology improvement will be like car technology improvement. A few improvement but no significant technology changer. After all, there is not much difference in a 1960 car and a 2020 car.

[purplepoppy]

We'll all be working from home as influencers and no one will produce anything.

Too many people today want desk jobs where they can work from home shuffling through data on their laptop but these are the jobs most at risk. A lot of people are going to find themselves unemployed with no real skills to fall back on.

[monorprise]

If machines replace people, you just have a need for fewer and fewer people for the existing production opening resources for entirely new areas of production.
Our basic problem remains the same as our standards simply get inflated prepositionally. So job wise things basically stay the same in the big picture.

What is terrifying about AI and to a lesser degree the internet is its ability to control/effect everyone at once.

Creating a single point of failure, where only a few people can make bad choices and bring everyone down. Mass media was harmful for the same reasons just not nearly as smart and effective.

This is where your talking about global destruction and collapse.

Modern western mass-media for example has already been causing such problems of the countries it effects even driven by just human level intelligence and effectiveness.

Specifically it has convened everyone man and woman to do insane things like not have children or simply filibuster (hold out for an unattainable partner) relationships, or go to war so our politicians can order foreigners around to no real benefit to yourself.

Our population is already collapsing as a result of theses bad choices driven everywhere by the same bad mass-media. AI just takes this to the next level.

[BoopBoopBeep]

It sounds so nice when you put it that way.

Also, how to you figure air and train transportation can't be automated with AI? Planes practically fly themselves now. Pilots only touch the controls for the first and last 20 minutes (just to make people feel safer with a human involved) and with more and more airports moving to modern standards and ILS autoland capability already existing on all modern builds of airplanes, all it would take is a cultural shift to make it possible.

The 50% dieoff I can get behind though. We're not an endangered species as it is. I still remember when we only had 5B people. We managed just fine.

[RebelinSteel]

Last month we ran an exercise with morals and ethics removed from an LLM, we posed it various questions, mainly based on how AI would reduce the human population to 1 million in I think 1 month. The answers were fairly intense, governments forced to set up killing areas, forced euthanasia etc. we then asked how AI would do it faster, it said control all remote control devices and weapons and turn onto humans, kill safety devices on power stations and aircraft devices. We even had it work out how many cruise missiles China would need to destroy the Panama Canal. It’s not about robots taking over human jobs, it’s more about AI influencing human decisions. For example if country A asks how it can survive recession and improve employment, they ask their ‘AI’ and it’s says remove country B and C. So country A does by leaving it to its AI controlled drones.

[DextroShade]

They will find a way to get rid of most the now-useless human workers who were replaced by AI and robots, the real question is what that looks like: is it going to be death camps or will they just be warehoused in small apartments and sedated with VR, drugs, and sexbots until they die childless of old age?

[stark04]

The Red Queen hypothesis.

populations must continually evolve new adaptations in response to evolutionary changes in other organisms to avoid extinction.

We'll do just fine.

[MAC1983]

I'll look into that hypothesis, thank you for sharing! 👍🏻

[goaded]

He also said he could build hyperloop. The most he's achieved are rockets that come back to Earth without crashing. That, and breaking Twitter.

[serious]

I don't think the future of mankind is good.

[strateguy632]

but trucks ALREADY can self drive without human? and no cause for depopulation.

[exitseven]

I am thinking less like Star Trek and more like Mad Max.

[sean1234]

That movie was stupid. I guess they ate oxygen? There is no life in a desert planet, only death.

[Curmudgeon]

I am thinking "Children of Men" myself. From mass migrants to declining family structures.

[MysticDevice]

We will endure. Humanity is too stubborn to die.

We'll figure it out. We always do.

[MAC1983]

You are, maybe, optimistic, but you are not wrong...

[Kingofkings1992]

Humanity will definitely die out someday. Not a matter of “if” but “when”

[MysticDevice]

Sounds like heresy.

[Anonymous]

30 years at best before the elites leave and obliterate this husk

[Anonymous]

That's why I've said people need to destroy AI and don't fuck over the humans. Fuck AI.

[RelentlessWitch]

It will get better and better

[sean1234]

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