Ex-Muslim says Islam is incompatible with the values of human rights, among many other things, what do you think?

[Humping_Tornadoes]

Just watched this video, and I have to say it is one of the best speeches I've ever seen. This guy isn't only smart, but pretty fucking brave in my opinion by putting this out there. What do you think?

[Klara-Hitler]

What do I think? I lived in Iran. I wore Hijab for 6 years. There is a special branch of police "Amr e be M'aruf va Nayh az Munkar" in Iran. They can arrest even under age girls who don't have proper Hijab and boys and girls who walk around like lovers. Yes, they can and do arrest couples that are in relationships out of marriage, according to the law and Sharia. Me and my friend got arrested once for having bad Hijaab. Harassed numerous times, not by people, by the police. They couldn't keep me, but her parents had to come in order to free her. Why? Because her hair wasn't hidden enough. Because our "ears" were out and showing. The female police who grabbed me by my arm and pushed me into the car would be in a big trouble if she actually hurt me. she repeatedly threatened to beat me up.

I was trapped in a subway station for more than one and half hour during the 2009 crisis, when I was only 14 years old, when the special forces and the police cornered a huge group of protesters in there. I got scared to death that day. I sincerely thought that I would die and if it wasn't for the boy who was with me I would get panicked and probably get hurt.

At least half of the police special forces are not even Iranian. They are from Lebanon and Syria, provided by Hezbollah and Assad. The socialist government of Iran takes the money of the Iranian taxpayer, give it to the Arabs to provide them with soldiers to go and brutalize Iranians. And western socialist muppets who live in pony land say the power to tax isn't the power to destroy.

None of these young liberal pacifists in west were in situations that I was in middle east.

In 2009 crisis alone many innocent young people were brutalized and murdered in cold blood. Many others are still in prison. And this is the same rouge government that subsidizes Hezbollah and Palestinians to attack Israel.

Are these all related to "Islam"? Yes. Of course they are.

One of the main intellectual and ideological figures behind the creation of Islamic republic of Iran was "Ali Shariati". I've read almost all of his important books about Islam and its social and political ideology.

He was a Marxist intellectual and the son of an "Akhud", an actual Mullah, and he clearly states that Islam is a political religion and has deeply ingrained Marxist connotation. Which he considers to be "good", but we can see what kind of "good" systems leftist ideologues and intellectual wannabes create every time.

[Klara-Hitler]

The entire point of creating the Islamic republic of Iran as a socialist state, was going back to the very roots and origins of Islam. This is said by all the members and ideologues behind it, and they weren't only Iranians. And it was created by, and it is being controlled by actual Mullahs. Khamenei the supreme leader of Iran is an Ayatollah. Ayatollah is one of the highest ranks in Islamic studies.

Who knows Islam better than Ayatollahs? Some average westernized Muslim who comes on these forums and talks about Islam being the religion of peace? No, old Ayatollahs know what Islam really is, they studied it for years, and they show it through the systems they create and control.

Khomeini, an Ayatollah, in his own words.
www.azquotes.com/.../...llah-khomeini-65-37-66.jpg

Islam was a murderous political religion in history and it still is.

Human rights? You have to be kidding yourself if you think anything good can come out from such religion. Basic human rights

[Klara-Hitler]

... are the first things that are ignored in Islam.

[TripleAce]

wow, a insider view on the situation. Very valuable information

[abundantlyrich]

This is something, they would avoid reading

[DasVoz]

Im a Muslim and the Quran preaches peace. This is all caused by western imperialism I tell ya!

[Humping_Tornadoes]

@TripleAce Indeed!

[Berethor]

@DasVoz keep telling it to yourself, but we all know the truth, about how violent Islam.

www.thereligionofpeace.com/.../...of-muhammad.aspx

s2.quickmeme.com/.../...8e39b1ef2325842ca7925b.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_To-cV94Bo

[Psi_Unknown]

Thanks for sharing.

[Ruby355]

@DasVoz haha western imperialism... that's why we needed the crusades lol. If it werent western imperialism, it would be western neutrality, or whatever other Bullshit excuse you guys came up with to kill people for your death cult. You guys are so cute when you're offended, which is generally always.

[Klara-Hitler]

@TripleAce @abundantlyrich @Berethor @Ruby355 @ Asker Thanks.

@Psi_Unknown you're welcome, thanks.

[Klara-Hitler]

@DasVoz "trollo wallahu Ahad, Allahu Samad, Yam Yaled Va Lam yulad, Wa lam yakun trollahu kufuwan ahad."

[dudegrt09]

Wow what were you doing, staying in Iran for 6 years? That is like literally putting your life in danger every day for six years

[vishna]

I think religion is a condition of the environment and personal nature. Some people believe blindly, some don't believe at all, some believe after a hardship, some put religion away after a hardship.
He can obviously feel whatever he wants. I have only studied the Koran on a surface level, mostly focusing on early entries and the life of Mohammad. But I was raised Christian, baptist to be exact. And I can say I feel the SAME way about Christianity as he feels about Islam. It's some batshit craziness. I think some people will take away "Muslim denounces Islam as BAD!" and ignore "I'm an atheists" But me, I see what he's saying, he examined the holy book and it didn't agree with his sensibilities and he wasn't going to bend his sensibilities/morality to get things he considered evil to be ok.
I like a man with his type of mind, he's a critical thinker with a strong sense of what is right and wrong to him.

[hellionthesage]

Your forgetting the other option. You don't have to accept the bad with the good, you accept the good (Islam actually has many many passages about excepting other religions just as the new testament is rife with passages about compassion and non judgment) and realize the bad is part of the politics of the time. Also an acknowledgement of the brutality of the times which did not allow for a lot of leeway in behavior and its actually quite comendable that it talks about charity as much as it does. Its kind of like demonizing and denouncing science because of eugenics and social darwinism. It is peripheral manipulation of science that is a misrepresentation designed specificly for the personal gain of another. We don't hold science accountable for that why do we do it for religion? Obviously if its not your thing its not your thing but the denouncing of religion whole heartedly (even ridiculing those who don't (not you specificly, in general) seems a bit unfair.

[vishna]

@hellionthesage I see the 'science based' examples as different than the religious texts. In regards to the book as a whole, it was written by men for men. Everything about it is tainted by the people who wrote it. The science was clear, it has no emotion, no hidden agenda, no culture influencing it. The the truth will come out. One could argue, the message was clear before men intervened, but that would also require entertaining the idea of the supernatural.

[orphan]

"I think religion is a condition of the environment and personal nature."

top 5 original opinion i've read around here.

[hellionthesage]

I do not entertain the notion of the supernatural. It is a philosophy no different then any other. The fact is if you can take an ideology and manipulate it then it should be acknowledged that this is a manipulation of the ideology not the ideology itself. Hence the example with science. We cannot blame science for what men do with it any more then you can blame democracy for the vietnam war, or all the damage done in the middle east (which was collateral damage in Americas cold war with the soviet union in order to prevent the spread of communism in favor of the spread of democracy), nor the murdering of 49 million people by stalin in the name of communism. These are the actions of individuals, no different then the various religious text out their. If we disregard all of religion becaues of the actions of politicians who used it for their own gain we would, to avoid hypocrisy, have to discard every single ideology and system we have. Yet we only advocate this for religion, why?

[Psi_Unknown]

@hellionthesage

I agree with your point hellionthesage. If one is going to criticize one ideology (religion generally in this case) for its misuse, one should criticize (or accept criticism for) all other ideologies for their misuse to be consistent.

[hellionthesage]

@Psi_Unknown I'm glad some one agrees. This complete one sidedness of it is a pet peeve of mine, I really don't understand why people don't see it.

[vishna]

@hellionthesage Hmmm, I think the core reason why religion will always be different is that at its core there are set truths that often no one can say are wrong without being 'wrong' to a fundamentalist (who typically agrees with most of the stuff in a book/text) Science just is, the end product is the truth. Information is thrown out to get closer to the truth, no matter how long it stood, slowly the truth is exposed. Religion tells us the truth, and that's it. People warp both, they do. But in the ground work of say Islam and Christianity, there is some messed up shit. If I took a periodic table, made of on metal, and dashed it through someone's skull, yes, I would be using science badly, if I do something bad that say was ok in some religious texts, then hey, at least (inset deity) thinks I'm in the right.

[vishna]

@orphan thank you

[hellionthesage]

But that requires two things, one that you take a religious text as absolute which is not a good approach and is honestly not the approach most scholars take, in fact thats why their are religious scholars because they believe its metaphor, its philosophy meant to be analyzed and thought about. The second is the refusal to acknowledge the political manipulation of religion. Power hungry people used religion for their own gain, thats why we actually have protestants, nobles realized they could break away from the church (who was also using their religious influence for political gain) they could use religion to control the populace but also not have to be controled themselves. Basicly the religious texts are what happens if you where to take all the books of law and put them into philosophy books. Just because they are within the same book, does not mean they are the same thing. The other issue is the refusal to acknowledge the time period. We judge based upon our situation not theirs.

[Mustachekitteh]

I think the dude is probably going to be hunt down and killed for posting that video.

The only religion that seems more about peace compared to any others, Is Buddhism. I could be talking out of my ass about this since I don't know everything about Buddhism but it just comes across as being more peaceful.

[hellionthesage]

I think people will believe what they believe. He himself pointed out that their was good as well as bad within it. yet he fixated on the bad, ironic as he pointed out the bad was because of politics not the religion, that is the religion is comprised of both the religious spiritual ideas and the political machinations of the rulers who used the religion as a tool for enforcing their control, not unlike how groups try and use either religion or moral "superiority" or "proggressiveness" as ways of discrediting other ways of thinking while encouraging a tribalistic mentality in the followers and using that fervor and peer pressure to recruit others into their way of thinking. You see it in Liberalism, conservativism, feminism, socialism, communism, capitalism, democracy, atheisim, theism etc etc etc. Also the fact that he is judging it on his current moral codes and situation not on when it was written. Its really easy to cast judgment when your not starving, dying of disease, accidents and hostile invaders (to shed some light, its estimated that the death toll by violence was about 90%(in an era where starvation and disease where common with no way of defending against them) when we where hunter gather tribes with a steady decrease in violence as time has gone by.) who where not going to leave you alone just because you where a pacifist, in fact they would kill you before you even had the chance to tell them you where so. So the conditions where entirely different and should be accounted for yet never really are. So him stating this isn't eye opening nor is it a reflection on religion, its a statement about humanity which every person should already be aware of but sadly are not. The only lesson to take away is that you should not follow any ideology blindly and to take the good and discard the bad. Overall nothing new and he is not brave nor is it enlightening nor is he particularly smart (from what he is saying, that is he is not saying anything that would suggest an above average intellect within the confines of this video). To be perfectly honest, this is nothing because it refuses to talk about the other half, the fact that for most of history it was the muslims who where the most progressive and accepting of any other people. In fact it neglects to mention that up until the west destroyed the middle east with its political back stabbing during the cold war, the middle east and muslims where as progressive as the rest of the world.

[Psi_Unknown]

There is truth to that; the west did use the middle east to fulfill its own objectives.

[hellionthesage]

@Psi_Unknown And it was done in the name of the religion "democracy"(ironic considering that the US is actually a constitutional republic).

[Maazin]

The smart and intellectual ones will ignore the comments or will provide a logical reasoning on religion as a subject including all the faiths around us.
The other morons who are already at a crossroads in their lives and careers, will argue till eternity with all their hatred without even being able to prick a strand of hair of religion and its followers.
Some of the idiots fail to understand that they are shouting explicates in an empty room without ever being heard by anybody.
The hatred is not directed towards the religion as a doctrine as such, But as that lady Clara-hitler was expressing her side of the story, it sounded as though she has had a deep grudge against that particular country and the people who prosecuted her.
Complaining bitterly as to what a particular group of people from a religion are doing will itself take away the peace of mind of an individual. Ever seen the good old well off individuals complaining about religion as such? It is always the common middle class with personal struggles and income struggles in their own life, who are often seen ranting and goading about religion and its followers.

[AleDeEurope]

"Fuck Muhammad" holy sh*t, he had the balls to say that xD Chapeau to this guy.
I think anyone with some education and an open mind, sees that Islam is incompatible with human rights, just look at Islamic countries, where people adore their religion and their god.
But that's religion in general, cause Christianity was also incompatible with human rights, though unlike Islam, Christianity went through a reformation, which is something Islam needs now. You can't live in the 21st century, with a medieval mentality.
Christianity evolved at got through that. Islam hasn't, and looked how fucked up they are.

[Psi_Unknown]

Actually, you know, a reformation would be a good idea for Islam. What a good thought!

[chintita]

@Psi_Unknown reformation is highly unlikely in islam, the quran has been memorized by most muslims from front to back and it's a sin to modify even one verse.

[AleDeEurope]

@chintita Yep, though the desperately need a reformation, it's highly unlikely that it's going to happen, especially since Muslims keep denying that the Quran has anything to do with Islamic extremists.

[chintita]

@aledeeurope i doubt it has anything to do with their perspective of islam but ideologies are easily warped and nitpicked to fit with movements. hitler warped christianity to fit with his plan (positive christianity). all it takes is some creativity and intention.

[Berethor]

New Ex-Muslim joined the the ranks of Walid Shoebat and Ali Sina, and telling the truth about Islam. The more people becoming aware that Islam is very wicked, the better.

en.wikipedia.org/.../Ali_Sina_(activist)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walid_Shoebat#Personal_views

[DodgersGM]

It's a difficult subject.

One the one hand, I think it's great that he's rejected what he deems to be an angry, vengeful, and all too human-like God. This is something I can relate to.

On the other hand, if you look at holy books through an allegorical lense, I think we can all see how some terrible texts might just be parables disguised as the word of God. Take, for example, the 10th plague set against the Egyptians. I mean, holy hell, that doesn't exacty paint a pretty picture of God if taken literally. The New Testament is rife with parable -- see the Parable of the Sower, for example.

Anyway, I just hope that this dude has found his peace.

[Anonymous]

If you leave Islam, you are not innocent.
If you are a homosexual, you are not innocent.
If you have sex before marriage, you are not innocent.
If you are a man and dresses like a woman, you are not innocent.
If you criticize Allah, his prophets and his friends, you are not innocent.
If you disbelieve Allah (pretty much everyone in this subreddit), you are not innocent.
etc,.
If you are any of the above then that makes killing you halal (acceptable) in Islam.

So the next time you hear "Islam forbids killing the innocent", please point these out to them. Ask how many poets Mohammed ordered to be killed just for mocking him through poetry.

[DooMguy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQBgrUObbHw

uh. . . I don't really have anything to add except for this catchy song

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[Anonymous]

"the values of human rights" Doesn't really mean anything. What those values are changes from society to society. In their society their beliefs do reflect the values of human rights. Islam was created during a time when great personal sacrifice was needed for the society to survive. Now because those ideals are not as needed for our survival we are judging them as being unfair, or too strict. If tomorrow we were all became as desperate as the people were thousands of years ago when these religions were created, we would be supporting many of the same values we now look down on.

[Psi_Unknown]

That is kind of true. Times were brutal back then. People say religions are war-like or peace-like, but religions can arise or be influenced in times of peace or war.

It is kind of funny why humans somehow expect the universe to give them rights, as if humans are all there is in creation or existence.

[Anonymous]

Didn't watch the video, but it could be anyone doing that video. Why is he trustable? Do you by the way know him in person? Or know trustable men who know him? Careful what you take as a postulate, it might mislead you.

I read opinions here that religions brainwash people, but have you ever thought of what media or "science" is doing to people? They are so arrogant at selling to you for a fact what even they are not sure of, that you just don't ask if that's even true...
How many "great" ideas and theories have been proved by the same "science" to be bullocks?
Think about it...

[Psi_Unknown]

That is a good point; the one making the video could be spreading beliefs too!

[Opinion Owner]

@Psi_Unknown sure, you shouldn't trust anybody or anything you find on Internet. Do your homework before taking things for granted.

[IceEverest]

Being an Atheist and giving logic is good and sharing their experiences is acceptable but calling prophets of any religion as a pedo, thug, and comparing to hitler is offensive as many people have faith in it.

Plus he called all Abrahamic prophets as nonsense and called god a lunatic psycho and mocked the division of sea by Moses, reaching heaven of Muhammad and Abraham killing his son Isaac or Ismail whoever is offensive.

[Humping_Tornadoes]

It's true, but I personally wasn't offensed that he called God a psycho, those are his opinions, not mine. The logic behind his insults is what matters and he has a point about HIM being omniprescent and all that, and is something I've thought other times before.

[Berethor]

@IceEverest as long as he is criticizing Islam I can live with that, and he is become atheist, not christian (unlike Walid Shoebat) so what do you expect? here is an parodical video of other atheist about religions, personally I find it funny, for the most part. :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Im8vXA6PVGY

[Eugene]

He's saying what every other sane person already knew.

Only libtards and other morons think that moslems have any other intentions but conquest and subjugation of infidels.

[Humping_Tornadoes]

Yet you'll catch muslims trying to defend their ideals and practices to the rest of the world... To what end? Domination, of course. It's either accept our word while we're infiltrating your areas, or we'll do it by force. Many videos and statements. of moderate muslims out there, not even the radical ones, yet they insist to sell themselves as a religion of peace to spread among othet territories. It is fairly obvious for people to see, but the liberals and the muslims themselves won't ever stop their propaganda, and it's a worrysome thing.

[Eugene]

A term "moderate muslim" makes as much sense as "moderate nazi" or "moderate terrorist".

[Anonymous]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6KBgz8bRo_I

www.islamreligion.com/.../

[Opinion Owner]

*Crickets chirping*

[Berethor]

It's an good try to excuse Islam, I can give him that, but facts speak louder than words.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y-RkT_MFas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZiJehMXBpQ

[Humping_Tornadoes]

OpinionOwner.

Then explain this:

https://youtu.be/EhpRlkrMWy8 (crickets chirping *?)

[Opinion Owner]

@Berethor You're Israeli so you're wired and programmed to hate on the religion and Muslims. Not all but a lot are. The whole terrorism argument is BS because others are committing terrorism through their governments and have actually killed way more innocents than the actual radical Muslim terrorist groups.
And Asker, all Abrahamic religions have similar beliefs like that. It's just that Christians and Jews have watered down their religions to make it easy upon themselves. Guys and girls are believed to sit separately to avoid any possible sexual tensions before marriage. And speaking of gays, well even other religions view them negatively. Sodomy is just not allowed. Last I checked, AIDS is a widespread disease that has killed millions because gays continued to practice sodomy. Affecting millions of innocent non gays also. If anyone does happen to be naturally gay but they abstain from homosexual acts, they aren't judged upon. Unlike other Abrahamic faiths, it hasn't been changed.

[Opinion Owner]

I find it amusing how in the West, people defend women living a promiscuous lifestyle and homosexuality yet the majority of those same people would dread if their sons and daughters happened to live that same lifestyle. By the way, Bible has violent verses too.
1 Samuel 15:3,8
Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.' " … He took Agag king of the Amalekites alive, and all his people he totally destroyed with the sword.(NIV)
Hosea 13:16
Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her God; they shall fall by the sword, their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open. (NRSV)
Couple of examples above.

[Humping_Tornadoes]

Why bring up Christians into your claims? What I'm doing in showing you the "regular" or "moderate" muslims sit very comfortably next to radical muslims, they share their culture, values and beliefs, and they accept them and won't do anything to stop that. The muslim religion is the problem by itself. Again, if you're going to humilliate publicly women and mistreat them, and are just as subdue to laws such as killing homosexuals , all equal, what is the argument there? How do you justify such practices, that are being executed currently by muslins, in modern world?

[Opinion Owner]

And Asker, if you wanna discredit religion altogether, then I understand since you may be an atheist. However, you didn't reply to my other link.
www.islamreligion.com/.../
www.islamreligion.com/.../
What's your opinion on these sources above? Crickets chirped when I posted the first link earlier.
In the West there's filth like porn and all which is completely acceptable and corrupting the mind of everyone and is even leading to a much greater crime against humanity. Like child pornography and beastiality for example. Funny cause even though everyone is for porn, almost none of them would want their kids to be porn stars growing up. The hypocrisy is cute.

[Humping_Tornadoes]

You've just avoided my very simple questions.

[Opinion Owner]

Why not bring Christians? When the beliefs are similar yet not watered down. And the main critics are the ones from Christian dominated nations like yourself for example. Those are radical faithful believers but not stereotypical like terrorist which the media portrays them to be. If the Muslim religion is the problem by itself, then what makes watered down and changed many times Christianity so much better?
"Again, if you're going to humilliate publicly women and mistreat them"
Aww, you're so cute. Anyways requiring modesty in the religion is not publicly humiliating them. There's a reason why Muslim women even in the West continue to stay Muslims when they can easily leave if they felt they were being humiliated for being women. Yet they choose to stay. Maybe for Western non Muslims such modesty is considered humiliation but then again, those same people approve of women sleeping with multiple men yet most would prefer not wanting any of their daughters doing the same thing.

[Opinion Owner]

I wasn't done Asker and what questions did I ignore? I'm pretty sure I answered them all but if I didn't, highlight them again and enlighten me please. However, you failed to address my earlier link which I originally posted.
www.islamreligion.com/.../

[Berethor]

There are some violent things in the Bible, but Muhammad add many more violent and discriminating things on top of that. Also like you said yourself, "Christians and Jews have watered down their religions", while Muslims stayed as violent as ever, and that's one of the main reasons why most are responsible for most terrorism in the world, because of jihad. Yes Christianity and Judaism don't like gay, but Islam is responsible for most gay killing in the world. Porn star? it's better for the son or daughter to be a porn star, then to be killed for not wearing hajab.

www.thereligionofpeace.com/.../homosexuality.aspx

www.thereligionofpeace.com/.../attacks.aspx

www.ibtimes.co.uk/india-muslim-man-kills-4-year-old-daughter-not-covering-head-while-eating-dinner-1522429

[Humping_Tornadoes]

Why would you find that cute? If @Berethor shared a video of normal muslim practices to women? How do such practices stand next to western world? Or anywhere else? That radicals, which you claim aren't/don't become. terrorists, share with moderate muslims. You haven't answered either question.

[Humping_Tornadoes]

And these women stay muslims because of fear, since it's the only thing they know. They were raised in that religion.

[Opinion Owner]

@Berethor None of the Muslim countries nowadays are even a stable Islamic state. Non Muslims are mainly being violent through their government. That's the difference between Muslim terrorists and non Muslim terrorists.
"it's better for the son or daughter to be a porn star, then to be killed for not wearing hajab."
There are dozens of non hijabi Muslim women in Muslim countries. It's easy to nitpick stories here and there and highlight it as a common thing. Child pornography in the West and little kids being forced to commit such acts and then be killed is much more common in West than kids not wearing hijab in Muslim countries.

[Opinion Owner]

"And these women stay muslims because of fear, since it's the only thing they know. They were raised in that religion."
You're funny. Did you happen to possess a Muslim woman in the West to come up with such a "fact"? If Muslim women in the West lived in fear, then they would leave their religion the first chance they get after graduating and making money. They would completely ditch their families and the community altogether but that's not the case. That's very rare if it does happen.
I answered Asker. You're just too much of an ignorant to consider my answer. Islam promotes modesty among women and speaking of adultery actions, that applies to BOTH MEN AND WOMEN. By the way, you still haven't addressed this link yet www.islamreligion.com/.../
Don't forget this either www.islamreligion.com/.../

[Opinion Owner]

@Berethor So Berethor, are you okay with your sons, daughters, nephews, and nieces becoming porn stars? Or your mom or dad becoming porn stars? No disrespect to any of them but just curious. If you're so okay with porn then you should be okay if your mom, dad, or your possible sons, daughters, and other close relatives becoming porn stars. If not then that's pretty hypocritical.

[Humping_Tornadoes]

About the link you posted, I can't really answer each of the history class lessons, but the guy is defending certain verses in the coran giving hystorical context.
I'm provoding you with context now:
Modern times, moderate muslims support death penalty because someone has a certain sexual preference, so do radicals and so do terrorist agree with this, as many of the other barbaric traditions being held by muslims today. What's this difference you're talking about, and as a muslim, go and try to defend these acts.

[Berethor]

Opinion Owner, those are some crazy Islamic lies, child pornography is not legal, while child marriage/rape still legal in many muslim countries. Porn stars can start working in their job only after 18. Porn might be not legal in many muslim countries, but horny and pervert muslim men are doing far worse then watching porn, to satisfy themselves. Are the Islamic Taharrush gamea is also the fault Islamic governments, or it's shows how rotten Islam is truly is? even without it's governments.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_marriage#Middle_East

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pHnQ6W2KkM

[Opinion Owner]

www.islamreligion.com/.../ <------- I meant this link. The link I posted below the YouTube video. Along with that link, I posted this later www.islamreligion.com/.../ I wasn't talking about the YouTube video.

We don't approve of gays and many of us don't approve of gay killings since there's no stable Islamic state to regulate such rules in the modern day but what separates from terrorists is they kill anyone innocent who isn't Muslim. However, we see homosexuality as a crime unlike others in the Western world. It's amusing to me cause similar beliefs are shared in other Abrahamic religions regarding homosexuality too yet they tend to pinpoint Islam only. Anyways, how come stuff like child pornography is so common in the West as compared to Muslim dominated countries? Did you also know that 6% of priests and all were responsible for molesting kids in the West? Why is that?

[Opinion Owner]

@Berethor Based on your logic, I can say the same think about you posting "crazy Zionist/Israeli lies" here and there on this site 24/7. Like honestly, that's all I see you doing here. Child pornography isn't legal. Just like killing a kid for not wearing a hijab like the example you posted isn't legal in Muslim countries. I never said child pornography was legal but it's pretty obvious that the existence of porn throughout West has led to the illegal child pornography being so widespread in the West. But you didn't answer my question though. Would you be okay with your kids and parents being porn stars? There are perverted Muslims, yes but that doesn't mean it's because they're following the religion properly. If they did, they wouldn't be so perverted.

[Opinion Owner]

Speaking of child marriages, it's not allowed. Marriages and it's consummation has to be mutual and both the guy and girl has to be past puberty. In the West, age of consent is 18 but I guarantee almost everyone in the West has ancestors thousands of years back who married when they were past puberty. Back then, girls became women after puberty and ready for marriage when they were considered mature enough. Another reason why the age of consent is higher now in a lot of places is because of population control.

[Berethor]

"Back then" is not going to excuse awful things that muslims from the creation of Islam and until this day. I believe that all the problems that muslims are having with porn and with women who show some skin, only makes many muslims more pervert and not the other way around, that's why Child marriage and Taharrush gamea, western men are use to seeing exposed women, so they don't go totally crazy when seeing women body part and/or when woman is sitting close to them. Working at porn is not fitting for everyone, but instead killing slutty women (as muslims are doing to their women), we are letting them to work at porn, see the logic there? and as for the miracles that you keep showing us, how are you so sure that they really happen?

[Opinion Owner]

@Berethor '"Back then" is not going to excuse awful things that muslims from the creation of Islam and until this day. I believe that all the problems that muslims are having with porn and with women who show some skin, only makes many muslims more pervert and not the other way around, that's why Child marriage and Taharrush gamea, western men are use to seeing exposed women, so they don't go totally crazy when seeing women body part and/or when woman is sitting close to them'
If Muslims were so much more perverted then why is there so much more child pornography and beastiliaty in the West than in the Muslim countries. Why is there way more Church priests being child molesters than Muslim imams? I've never even heard of any imam molesting or any kid being molested. Yes, many Muslims are not perfect believers but they don't represent the entire religion like the perverted Muslims you continue to bring up on and on.

[Opinion Owner]

@Berethor As for such vile immoralities like being sluts, both men and women are equality judged for adultery and fornication. Enemies of Islam only like to pinpoint women like you and Asker for example. Both men and women are punished for sleeping around and adultery. However, we believe that even if they are being punished, if they happen to repent for their sins rather than not they can be forgiven easily. But most Muslim countries aren't even going around on a manhunt for people sleeping around or homosexuals. Just like how none of the other Abrahamic religion dominated countries are punishing them. But if those countries were true Christian countries, then such acts would be acceptable there too. Similar punishments are allowed even in the bible. They're just choosing to be secular rather than be a true Christian state.

[Opinion Owner]

@Berethor Speaking of miracles, you believe whatever you want. The embryonic development was mentioned in a Quran verse. I'm not gonna bother arguing you about that because it's pointless. Especially since the Quran came thousands of years ago and human embryonic development was mentioned in it.

[Berethor]

Secular, almost like Turkey, the only secular muslim country, and as such it's one of the only muslim country when marial rape and polygamy is not legal. The thing is that secular countries are having much less violence and that's a fact, if most muslim countries where secular, then there would be much less killing and raping in them, but it's looks like it's going the other way around with islamists and the sharia taking hold more and more. So as you see, for the most part, the more religious the country become, the worse the country is becoming, and it's especially true with Islam, and it's jihad and "honor killings".

www.dailymail.co.uk/.../...ing-said-hed-again.html

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images.politico.com/.../...ch_polygamywrong_ap.jpg

[Opinion Owner]

@Berethor And where did they pick up such statistics based on every country in the world? Especially statistics of marital rape? Lol at your biased dailymail Western news source. Even if you claim those countries to be as bad as you say, do you really think they would be keeping count of marital rapes? If they're as bad as you say. Then again, it's obvious you have an agenda on this site to spread your patently false hyperbole and it's even more obvious looking at your location so it makes sense.

[Opinion Owner]

@Berethor Let's discuss West though. If you claim West to be so much better as you say. We all know how much more child pornography and beastiality exists there. Way more than in any of the countries you posted from a biased Western news source that shows higher marital rape. Not to mention church people like priests and all, 6% of them molested children in the West and the church tried really hard to cover that up. And rape happens a lot in the West. Especially in parties, clubs, and all with the usage of drugs like date rape drugs aka roofies. Also, a Western news source shows that 1 in 5 women have been sexually assaulted by men. There's no way 1 in 5 women in Muslim countries have been sexually assaulted by men. Here's the source and it's not biased because it's Western news source talking about Western women and men.
www.washingtonpost.com/.../

[Humping_Tornadoes]

Even if you claim the some muslims don't agree with death penalty to homosexuals, it is not only written in the coran, but its still within muslims laws, and its still practiced by muslims. My point is, muslims do not only tolerate radical practices and ideals, buy they also indulge with them, practice them. Very much like muslims wanting to subjugate others into their religion, with desire to conquer and gain more fidels and territories, and this isn't something only terrorists believe in, as I can show you many videos of muslims admitting their intentions to dominate. It is a very violent religion, and very war oriented, differing from any other religion (as much as you want to compare muslims to other religions). If you agree to keep these barbaric practices, perfect, go for it. But when you all talk about expansion and conquering other places, that's where it becomes everyone else's problem. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aYDfACr-y4s

[Opinion Owner]

More violent than the West? The West has committed more terrorism than anyone with their government. Since they don't need an actual terrorist group to commit terrorism. And what homosexuals are you talking about? The homosexuals who are responsible of spreading AIDS throughout the world with their sodomy? The ones who even managed to spread it to innocent straight people? Those gays? The gays who even the Christians are supposed to look down upon and punish? The difference between Islam and other Abrahamic religions is the other religions have been changed over and over to please the rest and for less restrictions. Since it's so watered down, how can it be the truth? Especially with so many different sects. And anyone who is naturally gay isn't supposed to be punished if they're not committing sodomy or any homosexual act.

[Opinion Owner]

I like how you bring up Islam being very war oriented. As if Christianity isn't. Wherever Christians conquered, they completely wiped out everyone else. Like Muslims in Spain for example. At least in Muslim countries like in the Middle East, there are many Christians. I find it ironic how a Westerner calls Islam barbaric. Especially one from the West. As if the West hasn't been barbaric anywhere. Like in the Middle East for example. Hell, the West like US, UK, and Israel even had the audacity to label Nelson Mandela as a terrorist while supporting the evil South African apartheid regime.

[Humping_Tornadoes]

Your hatred towards homosexuals is very clear, one thing is finding what they do repulsive or not agreeing to them, but other is making your very bold and ignorant claims, since straight people can spread AIDS, as well. Doesn't matter how you dislike them, they don't deserve to be either punished or killed because of a sexual orientation. And you've just proven my point, to how barbaric and violent your muslims religions are. One of many other things we. can discuss. So much for religion of peace, eh?

As to your other point, most, if not all, governments are corrupt, but that isn't the case here. We're talking about a religion, a culture, common day practices and ideals not only held by politicians but by regular people, too. And most importantly, embraced by muslim people, no matter how barbaric they are, very much so like you proved.

[Humping_Tornadoes]

Also, I don't see christians stating how much they want to rule the world, and talking about domination converting others by agression, yet I can show you countless of youtube videos that have been share here for some time, including from muslims living in foreign countries. There aren't any other extremist religion blowing up buildings, and making masacres on train stations and airport but muslims. The average muslim. talks about domination and believes in it, the extremists and the terrorists actually do those things. And that's why I fail to see the difference. in a moderate muslim than a radical, because you held the same beliefs, whether now you admit that or not. That's why I posted that other video a while ago.

[Opinion Owner]

I don't have hatred for homosexuals if they can control the urges or repent on their sins. Christians have similar beliefs too about them yet all you do is keep on blabbering on about Islam this and Islam that on this site. Straight people can spread AIDS too but that's because it moved on from gays. Maybe if the West considered homosexuality a perversion and also to be a mental illness then maybe just maybe all those dozens of people who died from AIDS may have not contracted it? Oh and Islam mentioned human embryonic development thousands of years back when Quran was written. Way before all the scientists mentioned it. Islam is strict on morality and values, which West lacks hence child pornography, beastiality, and any other vile things existing because of certain influences. There are lots of faults in Middle East since many aren't following the religion perfectly but those aren't the problems.

[Opinion Owner]

Christians countries are spreading terrorism by their government. Muslims blowing up buildings? Like WTC for example? Which fell at twice the gravitational acceleration for an average speed of descent through its own supporting mass/structure without slowing down but by speeding up as it fell through its own mass/support? 80ft per second for 15 seconds? 54 mph/86 kpm? The one that defied many laws of physics in the process?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mamvq7LWqRU
Reminds me a whole lot of this www.zengardner.com/.../operation-northwoods.jpg

[Opinion Owner]

There are many Christian terrorists. You just don't know them cause your media doesn't like to show them as much. Either way, their government does enough terrorism anyways so the terrorist groups aren't necessary. Especially in their greed for oil. Had Iraq not been invaded, terrorist group like ISIS wouldn't be created. Then again, ISIS needs to learn how to pray first. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-8Q7k0WsAE4B9g.jpg

[Berethor]

The marital rape statistics are about the laws, and in muslim countries it's legal, and it's not hard to guess that it's also very common, even if muslims don't show it on the news. Women worth very little in Islam, that's why rapes and "honor killings" are so common in Islam. If Saddam Hussein was not attacking Kuwait and was not wanting to make an nuclear weapons, then US would had not need to fight against Iraq. Islamic countries are spreading terrorism both with their governments and on the individual level, just like San Bernardino attack shows, which shows that Islam is violent in all levels. Islam is strict on "morality values" of rape and killing of women and children, force marriage to women and children, marital raping them and then divorcing them, don't change this fact.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein#Gulf_War

www.thereligionofpeace.com/.../...-worth-less.aspx

www.debbieschlussel.com/.../muslimchildbrides.jpg

[Opinion Owner]

@Berethor Try to research about the religion outside of the biased sources that don't have an agenda to spread hate against Islam and Muslims. Like this link www.virtualmosque.com/.../ when it comes to the topic of marital rape. Rapes being common? If fornication and adultery is forbidden in the religion then how is rape common? Just cause certain Muslims are acting a certain way doesn't mean they are an accurate representation of the religion. Honor killings common in Islam? Like the example you gave of some nutjob killing his 4 year old daughter because of not wearing the hijab? Yup, let's blame the religion for his deed. According to your logic, the Judaism must be against black people and other non white people's freedom since the Jewish state of Israel supported the South African apartheid regime and even offered to sell them nuclear warheads.

[Opinion Owner]

@Berethor A/c to your logic, Christianity must also be against every minority since KKK is against all the minority groups. I wasn't talking about Gulf War by the way. I was talking about when Iraq was invaded 10 to 12 years back. And the terrorism comparison between Muslim countries governments and Western governments isn't even comparable. The dead bodies are way higher due to the atrocities by the Western governments. Not to mention, 9/11 is blamed on the Muslims but everything is so suspect and fishy about it. Individual terrorist groups like ISIS were created cause Iraq was invaded during the time when US was supposed to be focusing on Osama the most. The same Osama who worked for CIA and fought against the Soviets in the 80s.

[Opinion Owner]

@Berethor But hey, ISIS needs to learn how to pray first. You're comparing San Bernardino incident to the religion? If so, you should also be comparing KKK to Christianity. According to your logic, Christianity must be against all the minorities too cause of KKK. They have pretty much been hating in the name of god. Not to mention, the 6% of the Christian priests and all lure kids using religion. How come I don't see you also questioning Christianity in this site? These men have been luring little kids and have been molested widespread and the Church tried their best to not have this disclosed to the public. How come you only spend your time day and night on the website hating on Islam due to the people's actions but not the Christianity? Is it cause maybe, just maybe because the US gives billions of tax payers money to Israel so it helps the cause and you joined this site just for the sole purpose to have an agenda to single out Muslims and Islam? Cause that's all you do here.

[Opinion Owner]

@Berethor islamicresponse.blogspot.kr/search
These are the conditions below that's required for marriage. You can check the link above.
1. The first condition required is puberty. Some girls, even if they are 17 years old still haven't had their first menstruation, so without this 1st condition marriage is impossible.
2. The second condition - 'Rushd' the girl has to be mature “enough to distinguish between good and bad" - (prudent judgement) and therefore be able to give an "INFORMED CONSENT".
3. Third condition - a girl has to be really ready mentally and physically to undertake the heavy responsibilities of marriage and child bearing, including the right and duties and the basis of fulfilling this condition is education. This is why in Islamic education is fundamental in all aspects. Academic education and the learning of skills is also very important.

[Opinion Owner]

@Berethor 4. If all those 3 conditions are present, then the last condition is that no one, even the parents can force their daughter to marry without her consent so without this the marriage is not valid. Coercion is also classified as a forced marriage.

[Opinion Owner]

@Berethor Your links and sources are by people who have an agenda. Just like you here. Not to mention, they tend to take the verses out of context. I'll post couple of links of the many they posted which I considered to possibly be the most controversial to the Western ideals.
islamicresponsesatblogger.blogspot.kr/.../response-to-suggestion-by-wikiislam.html
islamicresponse.blogspot.kr/search

[Opinion Owner]

@Berethor If I wanted to be bigoted with an agenda to promote hatred and be offensive, I could easily do it too. Look up videos and sources online to hate on other religions. Including other Abrahamic religions, even though they're a bit similar. The difference between Muslims and others is other people of Abrahamic religions are too busy pleasing the seculars and atheists by sugar coating their religion and the society. www.evilbible.com/.../ Look at this link for example. This shows that Christians are believers of such passages controversial to the Western ideals. www.answering-christianity.com/bible_adultery.htm Check out this link too. And this also members.shaw.ca/tfrisen/Bbl/Sexism/Sexism.html

[Opinion Owner]

Make sure to check them out because the argument you're using to call Islam hateful can be applied to Christianity also. Because Christians have similar beliefs. The only difference in the West is that they are trying too hard to please the seculars and atheists to fit in. It's very hypocritical for followers of other Abrahamic religions to call Islam barbaric or w/e when their beliefs are similar or even more controversial at times while comparing to Western ideals. If Christians and Jews continue to criticize Islam for being barbaric b/c of human rights and what not then why are they Christians and Jews? Why don't they become atheists instead? That just makes them hypocrites. If atheists are arguing then I understand but I, along with a person of any other religion believes we were put here by god to worship him and follow his rules on Earth. I believe atheists to be wrong and delusional. Unlike others though, a lot of Muslims are not sugarcoating their religion to please seculars.

[Opinion Owner]

@Berethor One more thing, the anti Christian links I provided with verses and all, I don't condone those sites! I am highly against them but just showing you that those sites exists also and if you're going to just attack one religion for being barbaric then why do you leave out other Abrahamic religions also? The hypocrisy is amazing and many of these people don't even know their religion. Even though the verses may be taken out of context in the anti Christian sites like in the anti Muslim sites, it makes you a hypocrite for and complete bigoted for only focusing on one religion when others are also similar. But hey, why follow your religions if you wanna please the seculars and atheists so bad? If you wanna sugarcoat it so much for them because sugarcoating destroys the integrity of your religions.

[Words_and_Wisdom]

Technically anyone can argue any religion is incompatible with values of human rights.

[Humping_Tornadoes]

He does throw a couple of punches to the Old Testament, and he isn't wrong. While I don't agree that there isn't a God or something out there, just because there isn't scientific prove of it. I agree of the Bible's (particularly the Old Testament) inconsistencies, and what he said of the Islam religion and respect his opinion, just because he was very articulate about it.

[Berethor]

@incompatible you can say that, but Islam is far more violent customs then any religion.

www.thereligionofpeace.com/.../jesus-muhammad.aspx

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytdMUddGe-U

[Berethor]

@Words_and_Wisdom well that replay was for you.

[cth96190]

All that one has to do is read the Quran to see that Islam is incompatible with Western Civilisation.
Mass murder, slavery, rape, paedophilia and much more were the mark of the religion's "perfect man".

[genericname85]

one wouldn´t have to be clever to know this. just take a look at the Quran XD it´s not a secret. it´s written down in there in plain text for everybody to read and understand. most muslims will claim "yeah but we don´t actually do that"...

[PT1911]

I'm thinking you've just opened yourself up to a shitstorm brother

[takumii]

What's the point of bravery if dead anyway. I think every Muslim knows that islam is a bunch of.. but they are too afraid / devoted to admit it.

[chintita]

i think most religions are incompatible with the values of human rights, christianity, judaism and islam are one and the same in my book.

[chintita]

my commentary on the video: this guy talks extremely monotonous and barely blinks and it's unnerving. he also seems to be throwing insults rather than saying what he means. i was interested until he started comparing muhammad to hitler, that was pretty over dramatic. same with the amount of swearing in the middle and his insistance that the hadiths are all valid (they aren't, a majority of them aren't from primary sources). he's also criticizing not only islam but all of the abrahamic religions when he spoke about abraham trying to murder his own sons because of a command from god. that means he believes christianity, islam and judaism are all incompatible with the values of human rights.

[ElissaDido]

Of course I disagree, I'm a practicing Muslim and it never got me in trouble.

[Anonymous]

I think he's saying what all sane people know, and that he's completely correct... blessed be his memory

[Opinion Owner]

Hahahaha, well at least one got my dark sense of humor

[TadCurious]

You're right. He's very, very brave because now he's marked as an apostate.

[Omar5881]

He just don't understand Islam ( like a lot of muslims do )