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Are there still good women? Meaning, non promiscuous, value and moral-rich, and wanting to establish a family? Your take? (Page 2)
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I agree with you. By your definition, I’m “good” lol
Well..
How do we start dating then? LOL
Hmm that’s a tough one haha
Of course there are. A lot of them just assume that guys don't want that type of woman, because the opposite type of woman seem to always get all the attention.
Well, who said the attention was good? It's pretty superficial attention. Meaning, sex is the only motivation.
I agree, but when those women are being ignored, they might not realize that.
True
They are out there they just dont want your ass lmao 😂
LOL.
I never understood why people cheat on each other or just like to hookup instead of finding someone to love. There are good men and women, but it seems like the bad ones put themselves out there more than the good ones do
They're really rare these days with the liberal agenda making promiscuity something to be proud of. Really disgusting
I agree
Men have always been proud of promiscuity. Even before the liberal agenda. So you really can’t blame it on that
I haven't yet. Once I do though im never going to let her escape, let alone find another guy. Can't help you, sorry! Jk. It really does seem like there is a decline of good quality woman. Maybe we're not looking in the right places? I've never tried out online dating, but I wonder if that could be the answer... 🙉
Yes, there are some good women.
Personally I believe in having morals and I do want a family and I always have wanted a family, specifically a big family.
But I feel like sometimes there won't be someone who believes what I do.
But my boyfriend doesn't want to do anything until marriage and he wants a big family, but Him and I both know that if God doesn't want it to work out then it won't. Cause My boyfriend is a very good person, and him and I both believe in God.
I think the only difference today is that what's always gone on behind the scene is more public with the internet and social media. Everything is just out there and more streamline. Tons of girls were promiscuous back in the day, just like a ton of girls are today. That doesn't equate to low character or low moral values. Just talk to men in their 40s, t0s and 60s who actually had a dating life. The story is the same. Just different scenery
I very much prescribed to the mindset that we are the ones that shape our own reality. And focusing on the pitfalls of society today merely because it's more public online makes it easier for us to act as if that's all that there is, when that's only a part of society. And trying to look back before the internet made things more public is disingenuous because there's a crap ton of stuff that happened in the past that you just never saw because it wasn't out there. Kind of like how there's all these celebrities that make these huge f*** ups the end up in the news today. Few years back you would never hear about it outside of people talking about it as stories. But you wouldn't actually know if it was true. Now, if something goes down you absolutely know it's true and there's probably video of it as well.
I swear the only people complaining are non promiscuous people; its fine liking a nun & all but you guys act like the world is half ending over it. Its just harder to find a girl who isn't open to that stuff, you just need to look harder & try not to put down people just becouse what you like isn't popular; cocks are not some evil thing that makes people a bad person.
Well, obviously it's non promiscuous people 😆🤣. Also, no one says that you should like a nun. That's not the same comparison
its not as if most guys nowadays are great catches themselves it's a two way street
You're right Adonis.
I don't get how sleeping around can make you less of a good woman, if you want sex and the only "acceptable way" to get sex without being labeled any offensive terms is being in a relationship then we'll have tons of people getting in to relationships solely for sex and those type of relationships are bound to fail.
There are, actually. Plenty of them in my community that I know of; my religion encompasses a strong moral code that lays out effective rewards and punishments based on certain types of behavior. Our women are from amongst the few, though, so yes it's not very common these days
I believe they still have to exist to an extent but they are rare. I don't think you have a good chance to meet a woman like this. I think there numbers are to low and odds are women like this are already taken. I personally have given up on looking for a woman like this because I honestly don't think I will ever meet one. I mean it would be awesome if I did and I would be so luck to. But it isn't worth putting up with all these other women in hopes of finding something that may not exist.
Sure, if that's your standard of good, then I'd think there are such women still out there, though I do think that their numbers are declining.
Well, what else other standard of good is there? I believe that the standard of good should promote flourishing of the woman, her immediate friends and family, and the future. Those standards I laid out, all promote those.
I don't see why the want to establish a family should have anything to do with being a "good" woman or a "good" person in general. But if that's your take on it, then you are free to have your opinion.
Well, that's referring to the investment of the future. I think it's good because it's intrinsically UNSELFISH to want to establish a family. It's difficult and it's the natural progression of life. Having a family is a domain in which almost everyone will find themselves in their life sooner or later.
I don't see how establishing a family is unselfish unless it's made with the motive: "I want to have children so the nation has more taxpayers to support it." or something similar, which I doubt would be the motive of most people establishing a family. I grant you, it is the natural progression of life for any species that wants to continue existing, but that does not make it selfless in my view. Also, take the example of Sir Isaac Newton. The man never married nor had children, yet is, at least in my opinion, one of the greatest humans to have ever lived. While I cannot vouch for his moral qualities or views, I'd still say that without him, humanity as a whole would be far lesser than what it is today. So I see no reason to label anyone "good" or "bad" based on their want for having a family.
Well, maybe he did want to have a family but didn't have the capacity to. We don't know what was going on in Newton's head, at least not everything 😅. Either way, I wouldn't say those who don't want to have a family are "bad" per se, but they're definitely not the best they can be. They're not good, that is. Having a family is unselfish because it means sacrificing and devoting your life to your children and kin. How's that not unselfish?
It's the kindest thing you can do for someone essentially.
In non-abusive family and good family, that is true. But there are families that are abusive, that are broken, misarable and incapable of looking after their young. The reason families in Africa have many children is because they are increasing the chances that at least some of them survive. Therefore they are also consciously condemning their own children to die via hunger, violence and sickness. Are those people better than Isaac Newton? Because you are suggesting that they are, simply by the virtue of them having a family and him not. And having children and then taking care of them is not selfless, in my opinion. Your selfish desire for a child brought them into this world, then who else would have the responsibilities associated with that then the peopl who brought that child to this world? It would be unfair to straddle it to someone else, wouldn't it? Owning up to your choices in life does not make those choices unselfish.
Since the childs opinion is not considered, as it is impossible, then it is essentially a selfish choice by the parents. Maybe the person didn't want to be born, maybe they didn't want to experience all that life has in store for them. We cannot know. That is why I wouldn't consider having a family a selfless thing to do. And because of what I've said, I don't consider someone wanting a family to have any effect on whether they are "good" or "bad". You apparently do, which you are free to do so, but I disagree vehemently.
Well, those are the exceptions but not the norm. Please, don't use the "bringing your child into this cruel world" argument, it's so generic. The fact is the world is suffering as it is. Having children isn't going to make things easier, but it definitely has a element of altruism in it because almost EVERYONE wants to see their children flourishing. Also, you can't speak for the children in Africa being condemned to die via hunger. You don't know all of their situations and no parent brings their children into this world because they intentionally want them to suffer. It's a noble thing to bring your children into this world. Why? Because you can teach them to BECOME STRONG and good. Having no children means your weak, because you don't want to face the challenge.
And you are simply a blind zealot, just like the people that support ISIS, for different principles. And apparently you are also either too unintelligent or too incapable too have good English reading comprehension either. I never claimed the African parents will have children because they want them to suffer. I claimed that they make the conscious choice of having many children to ensure that some of them will survive. But in making that choice, they understand that some of their children will probably die while young, which automatically means that they willingly condemn some of their children to die. And why don't you stop speaking for almost EVERYONE if you insist one me not speaking for the African children, I never claimed to know their situations or circumstances and yet you claim to speak for almost EVERYONE who has ever had a child, you worthless hypocritical piece of shit. I hope that you and people like you will never be granted power over others, because you are a tyrant.
I'm not going to read all of that 😅. Let's just agree to disagree.
Agreed, then.
It's gotten really rare, and they're normally picked up quick. I agree though, women do basically set the standard for men so when they let go most men follow suite
You're right. There are less good women. I don't want a family so I guess I'm bad then.
Never said people who don't want families are BAD per se, but they're not really "good" or "unselfish" people either. You're 38, years old and haven't established a family yet? What are you going to do for the rest of your life until you reach old age and die?
Lots of things. My life is jampacked.
It's ok, friend. I do agree with you I just wish I was a part of a problem for you. But I am. I'm not apologizing either, I just wish it wasn't so.
Your definition of good isn't the only definition of good that there is. If you want o be loved despite your mistakes or faults, you have to offer that same kind of love.
It's not, but if we're looking at this from an objective point of view, what qualities promote the MOST flourishing of the individual woman and friends and family around her? Those I listed do
That has not been my experience.
Okay sure
"I'm saying there are qualities (labeled above) that empirically, statistically, and objectively promote well being and the flourishing of others. Those are good qualities for a woman to have. It's not just my standard, but I'm referring to what is objectively good for EVERYONE really."
OH HELL NO. Son, you're just talking out of your ass now. You get to have the life you want, but don't you dare tell me it's the only best way, and don't EVEN tell me it's science. Human beings have never lived all one way, and we never will - people thrive and have well-being in all kinds of arrangements. This world, and human social structures are not simple, black-and white, one moral and decent way to be - the women you are looking for are stuck in 1875. That's why you're having trouble finding them.
There probably are, they just don’t come as expected. Maybe change your way for finding quality women. The problem these days is that everyone wants different things, it’s all about grabbing happiness while you can.
Yes but she's 40. Lol
Lmao, that's too bad
Being promiscuous doesn’t make you not a good woman... how is that even remotely related? Can someone explain?