Are there still good women? Meaning, non promiscuous, value and moral-rich, and wanting to establish a family? Your take?

[PoliceLivesMatter]

I feel like the decline in these types of women, have caused the decline of quality men.

[fhziljio]

The number of good women (as in marriage material) is extremely low.

Our generation is losing a cultural-fight, that started before we were born and the generation before us did not good.

Women returned to more natural behaviour, which stand in opposite to
civilisation and its achievements.
promiscuity <-> monogamy
single mothers/childless women <-> family

In my experience women in their early 20s do not want kids.
Women in their mid 20s begin to rethink, but, if they want kids, they want them later.
And later, meaning early 30s or even later than that, they suddenly come up with "where have all the good men gone, who want to marry and start a family".

This is something that women get taught from a young age.
Marriage is bad, men want to enslave you.
Children destroy your life.
Focus on a carrer and show the men that you can everything as good as they can.
This is everywhere in media and academia. Not many can resist constant brain washing.

Yes the decline of women has caused a decline of men in return.
Why would you work hard to be able to have a family, if there are almost no women, who want a family or meet the requirements necessary? Sex is easy to access, you do not have to prove your worth as a man anymore.

[fhziljio]

(lol lost half of what i wrote)

promiscuity<->monogamy
single mothers/childless women<-> family

Women get taught that
marriage is a prison, children ruin their lifes, it is better to focus on a carrier to show men that women can do that as well as them.

In my experience women in their early 20s don't want kids.
In their mid 20s they start to rethink, but if they want kids they want them later.
well later, meaning 30+, they wonder: "where have all the good men gone, who want to marry and have kids?"

Yes, the decline of women cause a decline of men in return.
There is no reason for men to work and better themself.
Women don't want families and sex is easy to access.

[Blake0048]

Yes there are especially here in the American South and abroad. It is definitely a lot harder to find in 2017 because of toxic liberal ideology. This generation of women were raised to believe that reducing oneself to a sex object and having meaningless sex with strangers is "liberating" because men did it in the past and they weren't shunned so its only fair. They think two wrongs can make a right instead of maybe challenging some of the morally questionable social norms society has expected from men. I think a lot of women falsey believe that feminist values are completely mainstream. These values may be perpetuated by the media but they are far from being universally accepted (although this is rapidly changing ) That is why marraige rates have taken a huge nose dive. All this being said there definitely are some good women left who were raised by a strong father figure who instilled morality and a sense of personal responsibilty. They just aren't very common nowadays. However... to be fair.. some of our men are lacking too... There are plenty of men in 2017 with no sense of honor and drive to succeed or provide or be faithful our generation seems to ansolutely glorify the thug persona. So it goes both ways.
Kind of...

[PoliceLivesMatter]

Blake that was beautiful LMAO. Perfect answer

[Quintessence]

I feel like there are less now than, say, 50 years ago--as least, in terms of promiscuity and family-raising goals. Western society's definition of success is somewhat shifting away from that familial American dream ideal (i. e., the white picket fence house filled with soccer-playing children and a golden retriever) to a more individualistic image where success is more about PERSONAL financial independence. Women are becoming less family, more career-oriented. People won't frown upon a woman for not having kids if she's pursuing a formal education--which can be up to a decade in the making. As a result, it's socially acceptable for women to have kids well past their peak fertility. This means that casual sex is more acceptable too--if "the dream" no longer revolves around getting married and establishing a family, then being ideal marriage material is no longer... well, ideal. And this mentality is not exclusive to the ambitious, career-forward woman, but extends to every woman. I'm not going to tackle morality, because that's always been an issue for the human race, and I could argue that, in the past, non-promiscuity wasn't a product of morals, but simply because it coincided with the idea of success and the values required to realize that idea.

[PoliceLivesMatter]

I agree, mainly because I don't feel like debating you LMAO

[Quintessence]

Then you lose by default. xP

[PoliceLivesMatter]

Quintessence 10? PLM 2

[Quintessence]

When have you won even once. :O

[PoliceLivesMatter]

I have a vague past memory of winning. I could be wrong though. If you say I haven't won, then, I haven't.

[Quintessence]

Perhaps you dreamt it. Our score is 4 - 0. I keep track. 📝

[PoliceLivesMatter]

Yes, master Quintessence

[Anonymous]

yes, they do exist. They are hard to find because most of them are taken. I've only been with one man my entire life and live for my family. I value my innocence at my age. I have morals, values and take pride in being a woman with substance. It's unfortunate because most men I meet think it's an act. It's not , the women they meet & know nowadays have changed their whole outlook on whether or not good women exist. I have nothing to prove to them, so I focus on my family n I.

[PoliceLivesMatter]

I hope I meet a woman like you one day 😫.

Thanks for sharing

[Opinion Owner]

Like recognizes like.

[PoliceLivesMatter]

I agree...
Hopefully 😆

[MzAsh]

There are plenty good women, but if a man can't find a single one, what does that say about him?
Women's morals and value are changing. They are less traditional, but that doesn't mean that morals and values aren't there. Women now just know that maybe being a dutiful wife and mom isn't the role they want to fulfill primarily.

[Cammy137]

Id say yes but I do disagree with the idea that if a woman doesn't want to start a family or is sexually promiscuous that she is no longer deserving of the title "good woman". My girlfriend was very open to casual sex when I met her and she shares my opinion of not wanting to get married or have children. Yet she is without a doubt one of the most moral-rich and just decent human beings I've ever met

[RJGraveyTrain]

Things are different now. It doesn't mean women are automatically low quality. I mean I've only had sex with one man but I'm not one of those pure Christian girls either.

[PoliceLivesMatter]

Well, you don't have to be religious at all 😅. I'm saying there are qualities (labeled above) that empirically, statistically, and objectively promote well being and the flourishing of others. Those are good qualities for a woman to have. It's not just my standard, but I'm referring to what is objectively good for EVERYONE really. If a gender declines in quality, the other WILL follow. FACT. Both are positively correlated

[RJGraveyTrain]

Fact? Arguable. If that were true murdering, raping mob bosses wouldn't be successful. You can argue certain traits have proven to have positive outcomes but it is not even possible to universally claim that only one set of traits equals success.

Being cut throat, heartless and self driven can also equal great success and happiness.

[PoliceLivesMatter]

Well, if you notice the qualities that I listed, they're all in sync with biology and evolution. 100%. I can back up every point using biology alone. I think the more closely related qualities are to our natural inclinations, the more happier we are.

[PoliceLivesMatter]

More than likely that is 😅

[RJGraveyTrain]

Yeah but we continue to evolve every single day. Biology once depicted that we were mentally below what we are now and covered in hair. That wouldn't benefit us now, would it? No. Because we evolve.

Don't get me wrong I agree men and women have traits that suit them and that come more naturally but even if you have more traditional traits you can't rely on the 1950's way of living anymore. It isn't practical. As a woman you gotta be a little cut throat and tough to succeed these days. Lol.

[RJGraveyTrain]

BUT! If you both want to live that way... that's fine. Expecting everyone to adhere to it though? Aha. Not a chance. Not in this world.

[PoliceLivesMatter]

That's the thing RJ, it's not the "traditional" way of living or 1950s way of living, it's quite literally the most objectively optimal way of living. I think culture has influenced or masked the true way of living. But, you're right, we evolve every single day sure 😅

[RJGraveyTrain]

Yep.

[PoliceLivesMatter]

Also, I just want to throw this out there but I'm not sexist or anything 😅. I just want to ask these types of questions because I find them interesting. I don't think women are any less equal than men.

[madhatters4]

there absolutely are. i know probably about 150 personally and i don't really feel like i have a large social network

[madhatters4]

thanks for MHO

[topi_tonge]

i invite you to my country.(In future , if you could)

your description matches
to indian girls exactly like the ones who are around me.

( dont go to certain big cities which are v. famous like Mumbai , Delhi)

be careful becoz many many girls here dont have sufficient knowledge about sex

if you talk about sex, then there are chances of you getting slapped!

we can RARELY seen any woman involved in activities like -- pre-marital sex, polyamory , or ANY PROMISCUOUS ACT

there are a lot of such women here (every 2nd girl you meet)

i can rarely seen girls
i grew up in between them.

but parents oppose 'love' at the age of 17-23(i think) , so they will strongly oppose it

but after this age when you become financially independent, they may support you
which can end in arranged marriage With a person you love.

there are many festivals and traditional cultures here make them bit religious, ambitious, moral-rich , valuable, highly cultured

because we (boys and girls) always remain in supervision of our parents

our parents always know where we go, what we do , etc

i invite you and wish that you get a chance in future.

[topi_tonge]

example---
today is Dassera (a festival of Hindus )

many such girls (from neighbourhood) will be coming​ to my home to wish me Happy Dassera (unlike other days) and i m also going to theirs

ritual ---. we have to worship vehicles and tools such as 🔨

also ,,, we ( boys and girls--along with parents)
go to neighbors , friends , relatives home with Bidi tree leaves ,, keep them on head of elder people wishing them happy dassera and seek blessings from them ,, then we wish our friends and/or siblings in the same way

so we have morals ! we develop morals and disciple living in supervision of people.

www.google.co.in/search

[Anonymous]

Yes there are still good women out there, but the problem is they are so rare, that they fail the cost to benefit analysis. In other words, I'm not going to go on the hunt for Gold so I just no longer hunt period.

Another thing to consider. With good women being so rare, if you do finally meet a good one, if it doesn't work out, finding another will be near impossible.

[PoliceLivesMatter]

So true, yes, I agree.

[Lelianax2]

I'm the type of female who waits before things get physical, unless it's just kissing.
It will take me months before I'm willing to trust someone enough to lay in bed with them.
And I haven't had sober sex since I was 16, since then I've only fucked a few times with the same guy high as fuck on pills.

Unfortunately, every single guy I know wants to fuck within the first week or else they want nothing to do with you. Every ex has cheated on me. And I'm assuming it's the same for all the other females who live in my area.

I don't give a shit how much money someone has. Actually me and a guy didn't work out because he thought he could buy a relationship with me.
If a guy looks sexy but he's a cunt then I won't be attracted to him so that wouldn't work out.
And, I also have personal preferences. Be honest, look decent, don't act like an idiot, treat me the way I treat you and we might have a chance.

So in short, I'm probably going to single forever.

[PoliceLivesMatter]

That's kind of bad LMAO.
"fucked a few times with the same guy high as fuck on pills."

[Lelianax2]

Tell me about it. Lol

I was sober enough to know what I was doing though

[PoliceLivesMatter]

Sure you were 😅

[brianlynn5750]

My wife wants nothing more than just family time with our son she is in all a wonderful mother and wife. There are people like that out there still but you have to go through and search for them.

[PoliceLivesMatter]

Agreed mate

[booshlinux]

They still exist. I met a true 'unicorn' as they call it. But they are scarce and hard to come by. I do see a correlation with the decline of quality men as well. A man can only endure so much bullshit from corrupt women until he finally gets mended.

[PoliceLivesMatter]

So true, especially your last sentence. Thanks a lot

[Izumiblu]

Funny that you blame a decline in good men on women. In life we make choices based on values and motivations. If you as a man choose to compromise your values because of a woman. What does that say about the man? He didn't believe in his values to begin with.

[PoliceLivesMatter]

Well, the main motivation of values to begin with is because of procreation and survival 😅. If you assess that the very thing you're doing everything to obtain (women) has gotten down in quality, why would you still adhere to your values?

[Izumiblu]

No... values and motivations are different. I want money, its a motivation... my values tell me there are certain appropriate ways to get it.

Your argument basically says men are worthless to begin with and are dependent on women with actual values to keep them in line. I don't know where you got such low expectations for men at but maybe your daddy didn't teach you right. I for one would not have a guy around that didn't or couldn't follow a set of reasonable values.

[PoliceLivesMatter]

Well, I believe that one decline in one gender positively correlates to a decline in another. That's just a fact. The motivations and values have an underlying biological element to them. No matter what values or motivations you have, they are all predicated by a survival and evolutionary basis. FACT. If men have declined in quality it's because women have as well. That's a fact 100%

[PoliceLivesMatter]

Also, my dad didn't teach me this, so, you're right on that point 😆😆🤣.

[Izumiblu]

Well, I'm glad you have a sense of humor at least. However, if each gender is dependent on the other to set values... you propose that as a fact, I don't think it is a fact and I think its also impossible to prove one way or the other. So we can agree to disagree on that. But if its true, then it's a societal issue not a problem with women or men. ie its not that the women's decline in values that led to the mens, its a societal issue that is driving a value decline in both men and women. I would never say that the decline in "good" men is caused by the decline in "good" women. Its a societal shift in value perceptions that are driving behavior differences that impact both men and women.

I believe there is an intentional disruption of cause and effect cycles in our society that obviates societal needs for individual responsibility. Who needs to worry about having sex when you can just kill the fetus before its born?

[PoliceLivesMatter]

Well, there's many ways to prove it because the dynamics of why women do and act the way they do and why men do and act the way they do is because of the other. Evolutionary biology really. A literal yin and yang. Black and white. Either way, lets agree to disagree. Still can't believe you brought up my dad 😅. I was slightly caught off guard by that.

[Izumiblu]

O would say that I would have nothing to do with any guy that wasn't a "good" guy. that was non productive and lacked motivation and his own values to live by. I would question any man that blames his ineffectiveness on the lack of good women in everything except procreation. I would view him as weak and ineffective. You are either good or you are not, you hold the necessities to change what you are and have the ability to deny a change in values because someone else behaved without value.

[PoliceLivesMatter]

Yeah, I understand you fully. I'm just telling you the dynamics of male and female human beings that's all.

[Bell44444]

I can't speak for others but I know I'm not promiscuous. I do very much want to start a family. As far as virtue and morality, everyone has different standards. I am religious, for example. I believe that is virtuous. Now go set up a poll on this site asking if religion is virtuous or evil. You'll see the atheist brigade rant on about how bad it is. I think I am virtuous, but you may disagree. I do think there are still women like you've described. It may just be more rare.

[philipph]

What qualities make a women so wonderful?
For me it is pretty simply:
Very Caring for others (also those that are not part of the groupt), trusting vulnerable and still act predicting, taking care of there body and there heart as well as listening to there intuition. All of which I met also had a strong drive for purpose and a vision in life.
My impression is furthermore, that these women are usually very open for several groups of friendship rather than hanging around only in the same ingroup.
Who can find a women like that, pure like an unicorn, tender like silkhair, powerful like a stream of water and passionate like fire?

[azzntittiz]

Women can't be traditional because there's nothing in it for us, I was one of those girls. Men are too selfish and uncaring.

[PoliceLivesMatter]

I'm not...

[azzntittiz]

We don't know that.

[PoliceLivesMatter]

Yeah could be

[harrypotter7]

Exactly

[AzureGirl]

A lot of people these days seem to prefer fooling around to finding something serious. As someone who has never gotten the appeal of it, I have no idea why.

[Sadboylover]

i disagree, most girls seem to have got that way. All of my homegirls have hoes, none of my guy friends do.

[dipta]

There are, but their number is decreasing exponentially.
That kind of woman isn't really appreciated by the opposite sex though, especially in younger ages.

I don't know, I kinda resent being told that women are ALSO to blame for the decline of quality men. Although I reckon it may well be true, since standards for both men and women have been changing radically in the last decades.

[PoliceLivesMatter]

Why are they rare though? 😫. Those are quite literally the highest quality women.

[CT_CD]

No. At least not western women. Seems like most of them want to be men. They have no shame and even take pride in being a slut. It's disgusting. Get a foreign woman.

[PoliceLivesMatter]

Oh my gosh, I've been saying that 😅. Western women have demonstrated these behaviors no one likes or finds pleasing, but most foreign women I've met haven't. Why? Culture mainly. Not saying American women are bad, but you'll find a drastically different viewpoint from overseas.

[ktdec]

American men take pride in being a slut too. But i don’t here you complaining about that

[fabulouspancakes]

Values have shifted due to societal changes. Just because a woman has sex or doesn't want to be a stay at home mom doesn't make her lower quality.

"I feel like the decline in these types of women, have caused the decline of quality men."

And why not the other way around?

[PoliceLivesMatter]

I never said anything about a stay at home mom or not wanting sex... Men and women's flourishing are positively correlated. Meaning, if one goes down, the other follows in the same direction.

[ktdec]

Thank you fabulouspancakes

[Dr_Subtle]

There are good women and good men, and they really haven't changed much except more women are not accepting of a misogynistic patriarchal society. Stop blaming women for the problems men have because they were taught poor attitudes towards women. I know many women who "fit" your definition of good women, but wouldn't touch your definition of a quality man.

Grow up, learn to treat women as equals, with respect, and maybe you might actually find what you are looking for.

[PoliceLivesMatter]

Did you read anything I wrote? How did you imply that? The genders are POSITIVELY CORRELATED with one another. If a decline in one gender is seen, it's almost always because the other is in decline as well. Now, the question is where lies the problem?

[Yayeet]

Yes, a lot, but it is true that the most notorious ones tend to be cheaters, promiscuous, shitty... but that happens with men too. It's normal for the bad people to stand out, just like a bad apple stands out in a bag of good apples.

[PoliceLivesMatter]

Yup agreed

[JDavid25]

Yeah, there are still a lot around.. And they really ain't hard to find... I think.. But yeah there are still good/great women around..

[PoliceLivesMatter]

Hopefully I find one... LOL 😰

[JDavid25]

Haha.. You will.. Don't worry..

[disgustingweebtrash]

The more good women disappear the more good men disappear then the cycle continues

[PoliceLivesMatter]

I agree with that

[ktdec]

So the more good men disappear, the more good women disappear too

[disgustingweebtrash]

@ktdec Yes it's a vicious cycle either way