#METOO. Is it a load of horseshit from virtue signalling celebrities?

[Anonymous]

It's funny how the spokes women and men seem to have a history of working with, defending and being complicit with sex crimes when it comes to Hollywood's elites. Even yet #METOO celebrities like Natalie Portman or scarlet Johansen have not denounced peadophille rapists like Roman Polanski or Woody Allen and were silent about Harvey Weinstein even though they knew.

Your right it's horseshit

Disagre because reasons

Triggered!!! How dare you question the integrity of my celebrity demigods

[ladsin]

I disagree, I don't think you're properly representing the movement, at least not as I understand it.
My understanding of the purpose of the movement is to let victims of sexual violence to know that they are not alone. I think this is valuable and important. We know that sexual violence threatens four basic psychological needs; sense of belonging, sense of control, self-esteem, and meaningful existence. These feelings are further compounded because victims of sexual assault are afraid of discussing what happened to them and this leads to further feelings of isolation. The MeToo campaign is extremely valuable in that it lets these victims know that they are not alone.
Additionally, a second purpose is too let non-victims know how many people have been victims of assault. Many non-victims can make light of sexual violence by espousing ideas that the victim should have done something different, and that it rarely happens. It becomes increasingly difficult to be so calloused when you know that your sister, brother, friend, niece, nephew, parent etc were themselves victimized.

As best I understand the MeToo campaign is not a political one. They are not trying to enact legal change, or even jail those that they feel victimized them. In fact, none of the people I know who participated even mentioned the name of their attacker.

[truthbeknown]

99% of metoo participants aren't victims but claim to be in order to receive public sympathy and ride victimization train. That is why this whole thing is horseshit.

[ladsin]

@truthbeknown And how do you know that?

[truthbeknown]

Come on, stop being a naive white knight.

[ladsin]

@truthbeknown I find the term funny, but the fact that you've presented no reason to think the vast majority of persons (men and women) who've participated in the movement are liars is telling to me.

[truthbeknown]

This is the problem, it's a situation where it is her word against his with little to no proof. As far as actresses are concerned, do you really think they were forced in a locked room to perform sex acts in order to get the role? You are stupid to believe that. This is has been an underground or unwritten rule in Hollywood for decades. They all knew it and went along with it voluntarily. They all wanted to be rich and famous. At no point in time were they ever forced. They could have passed and left the hotel room at any time. But they didn't because they are all greedy and selfish and knew if they passed there was another girl waiting her turn in the hallway. It isn't assault bud. All these women are just ashamed of how they traded their dignity for the spot light and are now blaming men for the poor choice they willfully made years ago.

[ladsin]

@truthbeknown Ah, so you didn't read my response. Very intelligent move.

If a person tells me that they've been victimized I'll be more than happy to believe them. If they go a step further and tell me "person X did it" then I will require evidence to believe the person in question did what they've been claimed to have done. If you read the end, where I pointed out that the persons I know who have taken part never pointed the finger you would have understood that.
That said, people have been saying that Weinstein made unwanted sexual advances since the 90s. It's only recently that people have started taking them seriously. I do have a problem with a business in which the only way a person can succeed is via quid pro quo.

[truthbeknown]

Yeah, sorry I did miss your last paragraph where you completely contradicted yourself. Pretty much horseshit no matter how you try to spin it.

[ladsin]

@truthbeknown Nowhere did I contradict myself. The entire time I said the point of the movement was 1.) to let other victims know they're not alone, and 2.) to let non-victims know how prevalent it is.
You should actually read before you go around making assumptions. It just gets annoying.

[truthbeknown]

True victims are out there and I will stand besides them to help fight the injustice, but I can't see them because the METOO movement is flooded with a bunch of self righteous, greedy, virtuous celebrity millionaires. Even though Alyssa Milano isn't the originator of it, she is the one responsible for the movement we know of today. Her motivation and the resulting movement momentum is purely fueled by the greed of Hollywood and a very poor representation of the true victims out there. While it is good to have a worthy movement gain attention, the means of which Hollywood celebrities have gone about it is just weak and hard to see the victimization. Again, I agree nobody should have to suck cock to get the roll. Don't like it, then go back to working at a regular job. But for celebrity wanna-be's, greed takes over! Like I said, no body was forced, therefore nobody is a victim and that is why the celebrity version of METOO is complete and utter horseshit.

[ladsin]

@truthbeknown We obviously have different perspectives on the purpose of the movement. I can't effect how you see it. I can only say that the tweet has around 2million posts. Maybe a handful of them took it the wrong way, but I wouldn't decry a whole movement based on the actions of a few.

[Zefram]

@truthbeknown I'm with this fucking guy. This whole thing's bullshit. Neeson said it right when he called it a "witch hunt" and then promptly got his balls nearly chopped off for it but at least Qui Gon had the balls to call it what it fuckin' was to begin with.
I don't doubt some of them are guilty. Spacey, Weinstein, Franco I can even believe (his sister-in-law has notably decided not to defend him, as has his brother, which says something to me). But fucking Dustin Hoffman? The dude's even been fighting his allegations. And at which point does an actor being nice or trying to flirt and just get a date cross into harassment?
Fuck this female power bullshit, it's killing a lot of good dude's careers and lives and only barely weeding out the bad dudes.
A chick in my city recently on the Liberal payroll who accused my University Director of harassing her (and getting him fired from the position) was recently discovered to have frauded the claims and accusations. No word yet on if she's

[Zefram]

Getting any punishment though, the bitch.
I'm sure a lot of women in the MeToo thing have really been harassed. But I'm sorry, I couldn't give a fuck anymore. And that's the consequence when you're whole damn gender cries wolf one too many times. The wolf bites back. And no one wants to hear you bitch anymore.
Plus they say they all came out of the woodwork now because suddenly in 2018 it's "safe" for them to do so and it wasn't a couple decades or so ago.
Bullshit.
I call so much bullshit. You're taking just as big a risk now as you would've been back then, you just know there's fucking money in it now. What do you expect to have happen after 20 god damn years? At least if you would've done it when it happened the irons still would've been hot.
I have less and less respect for the female gender, or at least feminists specifically, as the days go by.
And their ranks somehow include my own brother. The damn fool.

[Teapotato]

Do you think that a rape victim posing with her rapist in public demonstrates that she wasn't bothered about being raped, or does it perhaps show that her rapist has power over her, and can have her do these things because he can affect her career?

#MeToo is giving rape and sexual-abuse victims the courage to speak out about their experiences, and denigrating that as "horseshit" seems pretty cold-hearted. I get that you may be tired of hearing about it, but isn't it better that rapists are outed?

[Asker]

As a person that's been there I would stab my sex attacker if he was beside me so I disagree. I think the whored themselves out for fame and fortune

[Anonymous]

Its a method of making people realize how many individuals are impacted by sexual assault and making victims who feel uncomfortable speaking up know that theu aren't alone. For me personally, I kept my sexual assult to myself for years and that emotionally weighs a lot. Many people keep silent because of a stigma surrounding sexual assult. The more I'm able to share my experience, the more that weight it lifted.

[roland77]

Most victims, especially male victims remains silent because it is very private and intimate.

[Opinion Owner]

@roland77 many do, true. The me too movement allows a safe community to share your story

[roland77]

Why want I share my "me too story" with the public? I might talk about it with close friends and maybe therapists about it rather than publishing it. I may have published here some intimate details and it is a strange thing to do so. There might be bad people out there who will use that against me, framing me into something which I didn't say or do. Still sharing a "me too story" publicly on Internet is like shaming the person who did that. He or she knows it, that they talk about him/her. #Metoo was something good in the beginning but now it has turned into a "nuke that dude" weapon.

[roland77]

I would recommend you to go to a therapist who you can talk to about it. Don't suck it up or do public-shaming of your perpetrator which ever gender that was.

[Opinion Owner]

@roland77 no one is saying someone HAS to share their story...

[BellePepper]

You act like sexual assault and harassment isn’t in *every* industry.

[Asker]

I know that it is. I just don't believe #METOO is genuine and it more like a Hollywood PR move to show that action is being taken and those responsible punished, when really the top people are being protected. Like i can't find one celebrity that denounces Roman Polanski or Woody Allen or Bryan Singer.

[BellePepper]

It looks p genuine considering it includes women of all walks of life in all industries

[Asker]

I just get a sense of falseness

[BellePepper]

Then find ways to build the movement up instead of tearing it down ;)

[Asker]

Why build up a movement that has spokeswoman that are complicit in sex crimes and many men that are peadophilles and rapists that are using it as PR and to protect Hollywood sex offenders. Kinda defeats the purpose.

[BellePepper]

Be the change you want to see in the world OP

[Asker]

I am by rejecting Hollywood bullshit and morality.

[BellePepper]

Have you ever heard the phrase don’t throw out the baby with the dishwater?

[Asker]

You ever the phrase don't build your house on sand

[BellePepper]

Lots of people have houses on the sand?

[Asker]

And what happens during a tsunami, hurricane or typhoon?

[BellePepper]

Lol none of those care what your house is built on

[Asker]

They don't care but which house will be left standing the one built on sand or the one built on rock.

[BellePepper]

Lol neither. They’ll all be gone just the same XD

[edwardhiedler]

So... A bunch of powerful Jewish people molested women, and now they are blaming white men for a rape epidemic?

[Asker]

I suppose. Harvey Weinstein, James Franco, Woody Allen, Roman Polanski, Bryan Singer, Dustin Hoffman, Brett Ratner, Jeremy Piven, Louis C. K, Matthew Weiner, Jeffrey Tambor, Mark Halperin, Jann Wenner are all Jewish and represent a dispportiante amount of sexual predators in Hollywood.

[tartaarsaus]

Most of the very public Hollywood allegations apparently happened a long time ago behind closed doors. So the appropriate answer is: I don't know

[fredrick89]

Maybe I should get raped first to know this campaign not only about celebrities

[Patrickjv]

Looks like we're doing this again. No poll option for people who are not Americans and couldn't give a shit about your "race to the bottom" culture.

[Asker]

Are you being homophobic?

[Patrickjv]

I would weep for the American educational system, if I was one.

[CT_CD]

You're right it's horseshit