No. That is just bad news. Might as well let the dudes have their dicks out to. Its inappropriate. Reason being boobs are different from a mans an mans chest isn't seen as sexual as a womans. And to be honest with you the people who complain about sexual harassment etc that is going to sky rocket. Also stupid people who will think it is okay to go topless in places they shouldn't. There is a time and place to take your shirt off and that isn't in public like there is literally no reason to. Its just disgusting that women want this and very unclassy, no one wants to see y'alls boobs - correction pervs do. That is what they are going to attract so no its not about topless rights. When mens chest is seen as sexual then we can talk about that but its not about rights. They have nude beaches if you want to go topless soo bad then go to one of those. Its not necessary to take your top off. Men it is.
These are all things that can be educated and dealt with until you get to a point that its not an issue. Its seems you want to stop something thats harmless because the society you live in is unable to learn/adjust, and because there are already problems that aren't being fixed well enough (if at all). Dont stop doing things because some people are bad. Instead, fix the bad people.
I come from a country where nudity is one of the few areas we are fairly conservative about. A few years ago I moved to a European country where it is accepted for women to be topless in public areas (not working about shopping of course but lying in parks, beaches, etc). The first time I saw it, it was a shock but guess what, I adjusted. Very few of the problems you state happen here simply because women can choose to be topless. In a way, it de-sexualises breasts as its not considered a taboo to show them so publicly any more. Theyre just there, deal with it. Why is it necessary for men to be topless?
I would vote no. Breasts are very sexual, tender and private area. Not for everyone to see.
I'm not about this "gender equality" thing to ridiculous points such as this. Feminists want to be equal yet want the guy they are dating to treat them like a queen lol you can't have both. Cover yourselves up if you want any respect from men lol.
@_autum9_ Well it's true lol girls complain when things aren't equal then expect to be wined and dined like a queen. You can't have both, some girls need to wake up to this lol.
Women shouldn't have to cover themselves to be respected lmao. Internalized misogyny is terrible. The only reason women's breasts are sexualized is because the society you live in has done that. You go somewhere where it's normal for women to be topless then they won't be seen as sexual. It'll be the same as a man being shirtless. Literally the only sexual organs anyone has are in between your legs. And boobs aren't between your legs
Ladies, you can choose to wear whatever you wanna wear, there shouldn't be any laws dictating unequal treatment, just like the chest region shouldn't be considered a sexual organ area.
That being said, it /is/ considered a sexual organ area, not because of laws, but because that area is a genuine source of attraction for the opposite sex. So again, choose how you wanna dress, but take that consideration into account when you do. Feel free to go topless on a beach if you're willing to accept stares from aroused men.
There are robberies, as well, and there are plenty of places I wouldn't wander around wearing a £6000 watch (if I had something so stupid).
I wouldn't expect women to take any less care over the safety of their bodies than I would an expensive watch. I'd also be surprised if there were as many sex crimes in places where women feel free to go topless as in many places where they don't.
@MidnightCowboy What does exposing our breasts have to do with Islam? Or are you just some random prev virgin who wants to see his first set of tits in person?
@MidnightCowboy she's talking about being modest, you know, like dressing in moderation? Which is what modest means... There is more than the two extremes you know?
I am not an advocate of equality, i am an advocate of the most fair solution.
You can think of this from a couple of perspectives, for example is it fair that both genders cover up there primary indicator of fertility out of modesty. The answer is clearly Yes if you agree as a society to dress modest and not expose these things openly. A men's chest contains no fertility indicators so there for does not have to be covered up if this is your standard to judge by.
Then there is a second question, do we have a need to cover up breasts in public? That depends on what you wish to achieve, its known men will absolutely love to stare at a good set of breasts. So if you do not mind men staring at your chest or an increased chance of people groping then there is only one aspect that remains.
That aspect is do we as a society value chivalry or freedom the most? This one is the actual deciding factor in a modern society. If we show breasts in public that means they loose there sexual exclusivity making them less appealing. Its no longer a gift to your partner to be allowed to see them killing off the sexual aspect of breasts. To someone like me who thinks Chivalry is incredibly sexy this would be a huge loss to society as a whole and i would prefer a more traditional partner who does not expose herself to the public. What you would gain however is the freedom for women to be topless at more locations for example in a beach cafe or supermarket.
Keep in mind society is build up in a certain fashion because of reasons we sometimes have long forgotten. So using the above indicators it really bottles down to the value of sexuality trough chivalry by covering up in public and leaving this as an extreme exclusive turn on to a sexual partner. Should we give that up? That is up to the public and would be a good subject for a democratic vote. Personally i am fine with the way it is, where women can be topless at the beach / there garden if they desire but cover up during normal day to day activities just as we can frown upon shirtless men in a supermarket.
Shame on those who voted yes, those girls are clearly whores and sluts, they don't have any self respect. They are shameless and disgusting, who have no standards. They were not given an upbringing. They have no right to call themselves women and feminist. They are the reason I don't call myself a feminist. They are the same women who are ready to kill me for being against their opinion.
A man should only say yes to this, if he is okay with his mother, sister, daughter and wife being topless and then men looking at them and clicking photos.
This will just increase people going to jail and killing each other on the beach.
hey why not have sex in public, and what can I say to men when women don't respect themselves. There is a difference between animals and humans, that will be live porn. Animals don't wear clothes but humans do. Animals don't have any rules when it comes to actions and words but humans do. This is very backward, like the people in jungle who have nothing to wear.
A daughter has 5 rights 1. food 2. clothes 3. shelter 4. education 5. marriage
Nudity is not a right or a cause to fight for. If anything happens to a topless woman, if someone looks at her, clicks her photos, I will not feel sorry for her. What is left now, the private part down below?
Tomorrow, people will say a mother has no right to tell her daughter not to be topless, this is not feminism, this is not equality, this is not woman empowerment, this will degrade women's value. This will corrupt the society. People who said yes are those who think parents have no rights over their children. This is not freedom. This is shamelessness.
why are you so scared of showing your skin? the way you were born? there is nothing shameful about your own body, i feel proud about my body, the way it looks and everything.
U r correct the thing even if this law of top less thing is accepted becomes a right it will dramatically increase the crimes related to girls like rap etc
@Ninene try to make your soul beautiful, the body you are proud will return to the grave, and the soul will return to its lord, think whether god will accept your soul or not. And shyness is not a weakness but a woman's strength and a beautiful quality that makes a woman a woman, and I don't want to lose my shyness. My body is not there for the whole world to look at, a woman's beauty is only for her husband. What you are doing is peer pressure, making a woman feel insecure for covering up, proud to be shy, and I am proud that I feel shy to show my body to strangers. God gave me this body he created me in my mother's womb, in short words the body belongs to god more, and he gave me the beauty, which I must take care of and I must not misuse this gift, this beauty, only my future husband can look at my body. There is a difference between being confident and shameless and self-obsessed, a shy person can also be confident. There is a difference between beautiful, provocative and vulgar.
@Ninene I am more than just a body and a pretty face, I am not a piece of meat, I have a mind, a soul, a heart and a personality. Someone can look like me but they can't think like me. Beauty is temporary, it will fade away as I age, but personality, values, memories, actions, legacy will always stay there. This is pride, this is confidence, this is beauty.
@Larry_Gill exactly, girls are putting themselves in danger, loss of clothes was satan's first way to humiliate humans- adam and eve, and look what the world has come to, loss of clothes which was once humiliation is now being celebrated.
Yes u r righr about that although I don't know much of Christianity but why I think about this is same there are some things that make the value of the human if a human Is going to loose the dignity there is nothing else to loose afterwards and I think that's how demons are made in our society with no shame
@carpetDenim absultuly. Take an example there is something that u always wanted in a shop until u don't get it there will be rush a motivation to earn something to get it but if u have something all over the play what I the motive to even try don't get it in a sexial way but it's just how it is.
You are the one sexualising this. These women just want to sunbathe topless at a park or beach, etc. Nothing sexual about it unless YOU think it is. Theyre just breasts FFS. Get over it.
Another stupid argument where something as simple and harmless as going topless is taken to the extreme of full nudity, public sex, corrupting society, and some stupid comparison to animals. And killing? WTF are you talking about? Calm down & think rationally.
If you dont want to be topless, dont do it. Simple. You have the RIGHT not to, & some women want the RIGHT to do it.
Degrade a womans value? But thats exactly what you are doing by calling these women shameless whores for something so harmless.
Side note: One of the basic rights is marriage? Im not saying someone shouldn't have the right to get married but if listing only 5 basic rights, that makes it? What about the right to healthcare? Freedom to worship (or not)? Listing marriage makes it seem like that is what you see as a womans purpose
@nichtweiss Number one if you think it is not a big deal then why are men in the comments so excited to see women topless, why do men love it, Hollywood has topless women to increase views and money, and if you tell men to control and feel anything looking at boobs then you are fighting against human nature. Marriage is not as petty as you think, one can call marriage a purpose of life, it is a big thing, nowadays not getting divorced and getting married is a achievement and a real challenge and then having children, grandchildren, unless one wants to die alone. The human race began with marriage. A family oriented woman is not inferior to a career oriented woman, woman who works contributes to the economy, day care centres, whilst a family oriented woman contributes to her own family, her own life, a housewife is not inferior to a working woman. Marriage turns a house into home. Relationships came in this world before money.
@Ninene let me tell u the possible benifits and losses of this thing it will be based on both genders Benis 1 girls are free the trouble of bras and stuff is gone 2 less warm feeling in summers I guess 3 fell free or what ever (I can on estimate this cause I m boy ok)
Disadvantages 1 rudely treated by boys 2 will be joked 3 safety will go low 4 will be judged 5 respect level will go down Etc Even at my level of understanding which is pritty midocre I think there r way more reasons not to do it.
May be my views r bias because I m boy and can't think of the problems girls have.
@Shezadi just because a girl said yes doesn't make her a whore or a slut. I said yes, and where I live it is allowed, but I still don't and wouldn't go out topless or even to a nude beach. I'm not comfortable enough to do that but I don't see why women who are comfortable enough shouldn't be allowed to. It's their choice. Get off your fucking high horse, you aren't better than anyone else so stop acting like it.
"loss of clothes was satan's first way to humiliate humans- adam and eve" weren't they quite happy naked until they ate the apple? They didn't lose their clothes, they gained them.
Its not a big deal. Of course you will have some idiots going overboard and making problems. They must be taught. And of course men do like breasts. Im not trying to change that but there is context. A topless woman sunbathing is different from, for example, a woman using her breasts to flirt at a bar. Just because breasts are involved doesn't make the situation sexual. Breastfeeding, for example, isn't sexual (except for a tiny minority that are into that for whatever reason). Or I can go the other way and say that 'I think lips are sexual' as they can be used to flirt/ kiss/ other things. Shall we cover those too? Or accept that these things have context.
What the hell are you going on about with this marriage rant. I never said anything like what you are talking about. I simply said that marriage is not one of the top 5 rights of a person. I did imply that you *might* think that an unmarried woman is inferior to a married woman, but that does not imply that I think the opposite
@ciitruskiwi Those girls who voted yes are whores and sluts, and those who votes no are better than them. Those who voted no have more self-respect and dignity than those women, and I am not shameless like those women. Those women are just going to degrade our value.
@ciitruskiwi You see those women are being judged already in the comments, and when this happens for real, they will be judged even more, judge yourself before others judge you, this topless debate is extreme and not judging a person who decides to go naked, is also extreme. Boobs are not the same as male breasts, women and men are different, god created women and men like he created night and day, night and day cannot become like each other, it is the difference between them that makes them beautiful, day cannot have the moon and stars, night cannot have the sun, women who copy men are insecure of their gender, I don't want to be like men, I am proud to be a woman, I am not ashamed to accept that there are certain things that I can't do and men can, and this is called femininity, Elizabeth Elliot said, "the more feminine women will be, the more manly men will be and the more glorified god will be," Shyness is a feminine quality, shyness is not a weakness, it is beautiful
@Shezadi clearly you read nothing I said. Guess I'm a slut and a whore for saying yes even though I would never actually go out topless. You aren't any better than me or anyone else. I hope you get over that one day.
It's an interesting question. Men are allowed to walk around topless in most spaces, so why not women? The main question in my opinion, however, isn't whether women should be allowed to go topless, but rather, if we did allow it, what would be the appropriate legal age to allow it? Boys of any age are welcome to walk around without shirts on, bare chested, but if we were to legalize it so that women could walk around topless in the same basic function that men are, do we allow this to women of any age or will it be limited to those of the legal age of consent? If the argument is if men can do it, than women should be allowed to as well, than an equal argument could be made that if young boys from the age of 1 - 17 can do it, than young girls from the age of 1 - 17 should be able to do it. If we do decide that women of any age can walk around topless, than you have to consider whether you would feel comfortable with your niece, sister, cousin, daughter, etc. walking around topless around men and women who may see them in a more sexual manner because female breast are sexualized in this day and age.
I've been to Europe where the beach was a nude beach, Almost every one was nude. The attractive and unattractive. That would be fine except as much amen Ike to see tits there is a equally number of women who like to show them. Although there no many women who had large breast. You know the kind, huge. My wife and daughter are both well endowed with 40DD and 40D hat hang heavy ans bounce akk over the place. They told me it was uncomfortable to bounce around in the water with out them flying around and hurting. My pint is that it is not comfortable for them. Will there be pressure to undress. I would hate to be fry cook and feel I must use my rights. Breast are more that mammary glands. Our society puts a sexual context to breast so exposed tits are a sign of promiscuous and there is a whole industry dedicated to showing breast but not too much. Nude Clubs give repute for all nude followers. Frankly I don't t think current laws make difference. It is affected now with current fashions. I don't know about topless. I would like to see more because I like seeing tits.
A woman's breasts are sexual so no. I would not allow my daughter or wife to go around topless - fuck that !
About the comment related to the fact that some people say "more women will be groped". The equivalence is: Chest and butts are already quite visible nowadays with much of what women wear — their shape or even those half ass shorts = to unlock your doors Now going naked or going without a top = leaving your front door open.
You're essentially expecting people to ignore the difference between a locked house where nothing can be stolen easily and a door with an open house where the temptation is there. The point is that unless you want to play a victim you have to understand that everything creates a certain reaction; free money on the ground creates a 'picking up' reaction for most people, an unlocked bike creates a 'steal' reaction in say one tenth of people, and topless women may create a reaction of 0.5% of people.- for example. You cannot expect people to turn off their instincts. because you don't do it either. You indulge yourself in food, you are attracted to attractive people, you feel empathy when something happens to someone else, etc. These are the same instincts as any other. The group responsible for genocide is doing what is normal for groups to do - protect themselves against real or suspected threats.
On beaches where children and minors aren't permitted, sure. But just casually out in public where anyone, of any age, whether they want to or not, can see them? Most definitely not. Whether women want to accept it or not, their breasts are sexual organs, and they are sexualized by our culture and our society. Anyone attracted to women is aroused by even just the mere sight of their breasts, breastplay is a prime aspect of sex/foreplay, big boobs are one of the most common fetishes, and exposing cleavage and other parts of the breasts are a common way for a woman to seduce or sexually entice another person. A woman's breasts are undeniably sexual, and they were developed as a way to attract men, who naturally rely more on visual stimuli than women. For all of these reasons, women's breasts and women's nipples are nowhere near the same thing as as a man's nipples, and they should not be allowed to go topless. That's called indecent exposure for a reason.
Are you honestly just going to ignore the rest of my comment? That happens to be full of evidence for what makes them sexual? If you’re only gonna take hits at my opening statement instead of looking at my whole argument then you can go bother somebody else. They are innately sexual, so of course fucking children shouldn’t see them.
I just don’t see what the point is. Why should it be acceptable for women to have such loose morals and show off their bodies to everyone around them? No one wants nor needs to see any of that. And it’s a slippery slope, once it’s acceptable for women to flash their tits to everyone the next step will be to make it acceptable for men and women to flash their vaginas and penises to everyone. Cuz that’s just societal “progression” isn’t it?
Okay, so I should be able to walk into a church fully nude if I want to? Or a school? And anyone who complains about it shouldn’t do so because they have the choice to just “look away”?
Did you read what I wrote? "Forcing someone to look at your nudity is wrong, being nude isn't." Churches and schools are places where people don't expect to see nude people, so you're forcing them to see you nude.
But you said people have the choice to look away if they see it in places where it isn’t accepted. If it’s happening in a place where it isn’t accepted, it’s happening somewhere that isn’t expected either.
The question is about beaches. You're the one who brought up churches and schools (and I agreed with you). In the street, you have the choice to look away, or to accept and de-sexualise breasts.
Men's nipples are just as erogenous as women's. In parts of the world where sex isn't taboo, or censored as much, and in places where nudity isn't considered indecent, visual exposure to females breasts doesn't cause anywhere near the reaction it does in American men. The only reason it causes this reaction here, is because our men have been trained to see breasts as a sexual stimulant.
However, I don't really see a safe and fair way to have this sexist, outdated, double standard over-turned anytime within the near future.
You know, except to fact that breast are literally evolved as a method to attract a mate instead of a butt. Which makes them inheritly more sexual than a mans chest.
As a woman though, would you really want to lose that trained sexual capital though? You'd be seen as less attractive and less likely for the guy to pursue and make an effort. That would actually be great for guys. There would be more balanced sexual currency.
@cavmanier I'm a sapeosexual. Looks and money do not affect my choice, I choose purely on personality, 100% Naturally, I prefer men of similar mind.
I reject the idea that men should take the imitative in all romantic interaction, and strongly believe that woman should take a more proactive role in initiating.
The field needs to be more level. This domestic terrorism called "modern feminism" has all but made it illegal for the men to make any real headway.
I'm getting off topic, so I'll just say that you make a valid point, which I agree with.
"men's nipples are just as erogenous as women's"? how the heck can you say that? any neurologist will tell you that you're an idiot and that you should stop pulling stuff out of your arse
Nope, try again. Studies have been done, by neurologists, on the sexual sensitivity of men's nipples. 17% of men do get pleasurable sexual stimulation through their nipples, and the reason that more men do not, is because men's nipples are even more sensitive than women's. 25% of women don't enjoy nipple stimulation, because they are too sensitive. From personal experience, I can tell you, those who don't enjoy it, can with the right person.
also, torwulf is right. breast *did* evolve to attract mates. the fact that *you in particular* aren't sexually attracted to women's bodies doesn't change that.
Absolutely not. I did not ask to see some strange woman's utters. I've got my own thank you. In fact, forcing people to look upon your naked body is violating in my opinion. On vacation last month on the beach I saw a girl probably 13. Topless. And he had already started budding. It was the most uncomfortable eye contact I've ever made. If this becomes a thing, I will never visit a beach again.
@JellyDonutguy96 Unfortunately these women just won't be satisfied any way you slice it! Riot control will not be enough I'm afraid. I just feel bad for you males having to find a decent woman in today's society smh.
as a guy it's easy to for me to talk to other guys about many things because they most likely would be interested in those topics, but when it comes to girls I have to adjusted my topics, because they'd would most likely be interested in a small half of things that interest me
@JellyDonutguy96 I have zero female friends due to that, as well as the drama. I don't do that crap. They'd rather go shopping whereas me would rather go four wheeling.
most friends I've had were guys and a couple female friends from school but there wasn't a lot a m high school, so it was like 17 guy friends and like 3 or 4 female friends
My tits started growing in when i was about 8. Before then i had often opted on warm days to go topless, it felt freeing, and it was cooler than smothering myself in a shirt. Not to mention it made me more like my brother and i was all about that as a kid.
I was so upset when my dad told me i was too old to be topless anymore. I didn't understand why it was so different for me to go outside with no shirt when my brother could do it just fine.
Nowadays, i wouldn't opt to go topless. I can barely wear a two piece without feeling overly self conscious. Plus i sweat more without a bra and egh. Not a good situation to be in.
But it absolutely should be legal. They changed that law for men, its time for them to finish what thay started and do the same for women.
I do not understand your being so self conscious. But I certainly agree with your logic and feelings that even though you would not go topless now, you support making it legal (and equal). I, appreciate that.
@Red_Arrow my stepmother is the easiest answer. Shed go off her rocker if my shirt showed to much of my chest, let alone if there was even a hint of cleavage. So bathers where not only is there chest and cleavage all in one, but my belly showing too? Its just too much, and thanks to my stepmother drilling in what "people think" i only get paranoid that people are talking about me.
I really hope that you can eventually free yourself of what she laid on you. The body is not dirty. Of course you need to set your own limits, but that is too much.
@Red_Arrow i absolutely agree with you. Its all mostly subconscious now, i love two pieces and i know i look great in them. I just wish could wear them outside the change rooms.
let's test this: every woman who thinks she should be allowed to be topless in public, whether on a beach or walking down the street, send me a picture of you topless so I can see your breasts.
if you won't do that, I have to assume you DO NOT WANT random people to see you topless, likely because you realize breasts are sexual, and there is no way to change the minds of billions of people into no longer seeing them sexually, and you would rather not be openly oggled and gawked at by men.
Because if you want to be topless, that is what will happen. people will look. people will stare. people will take pictures. your choice is to either accept that humanity sees breasts sexually, and be ok with people looking, or realize breasts are sexual, and that if you uncover them people will stare, and so wear your bikini top. Either is OK with me. Be topless if you want, but I will look.
A woman’s breast are a sexual organ, while a mans chest is not. It’s simply not equivalent to say “should women have equal topless rights as men”. The current idea of women in some sort of bikini, and a man in some sort of trunk, is already equal: neither are blatantly demonstrating any sexual organs out in the open.
If you want to rip off your toe and go nude from the waist up, by all means that’s your choice men and women, I don’t judge; I’m sure there are nudist beaches, or semi nudist beaches that’ll skate whatever desire for clothing you have.
I'm honestly kind of annoyed that people see boobs as such a sexual thing. I don't understand it. If men are allowed to go about topless and without it being considered "inappropriate" why the fuck is it imposed on women? I'm honestly pretty sure bras/bikini tops are only for the purpose of holding boobs up and then someone misinterpreted it as a matter of being appropriate... which is really fucking dumb. Just let everyone be topless, there really should be nothing inherently sexual about breasts. By definition genitals are sexual because they are literally sexual organs so I get covering them up, but I don't understand why boobs are seen as inherently sexual.
No not in the U. S. A womans boobs "sexually arouse" men and can give them erections so they would be walking around with boners and wanting to either fuck the topless women or jerking off looking at them. In our society Tits and Ass are sexual objects for men, makes them horny and hard. Why do you think men go to strip club or bars if tits aren't sex objects? Why are so many men jerking off looking at nude girls and porn on the internet? Its a multi billion dollar industry & there are literally millions of porn sites and sites with naked girls that men & boys ages 10 to 18 are looking at every day & they are ALL jerking off. As a personal example I started masturbating and cumming while looking a nude girls, their tits and ass when I was 12 years old and still do occasionally even though I'm married. Yes married men look at porn and they also jerk off so if you think they don't you're either extremely naive or sadly misinformed.
It is only considered taboo because of the medieval practices of warming oneself and I'd like to think women more than likely War tops for breast support more so then trying to hide women's breasts from sexual desire caused by exposure. Lot of rules and man-made Doctrine came about an order to keep the peasants under control by the hierarchies and religious leaders. By stripping away freedoms and God given rights claiming things that are natural to be taboo so that everyone would be looking to the leaders for guidance. That's what I'd like to that's what I'd like to think
I totally support women’s rights to be topless like men! I mean what guy wouldn’t... haha 😉. In NYC in 1992, a woman sued the city for being arrested for taking her top off like men had after a marathon race. It went all the way to the NYS Supreme Court and she won. Now in NYC women have the right to be topless. In the summer you can occasionally see women sun bathing topless in parks and walking on the street or even shopping. I’m sure there are other type laws in other states that may slow the same.
I think women can go topless if they want because personally, seeing topless women doesn't really fuel my lust drive and get my hormones pumping. I'm not gay, I just have a high level of self-control that took years to build. The same can't be said for others though...
I think that the problem with women going topless in the presence of men is that some men simply see women as no more than a sexual object.
I think that women should have the right to do so, just be wary of who you're doing it around because you never know what a sex-driven male might do...
I don't really think so. That would create an even larger divide between women because we're already competitive and judgmental enough. If we started seeing women going topless in public, chances are, a lot of women would be hating on the topless ones and life would probably be harder for boyfriends too, because it's inevitable they'll look (probably way too much) and get themselves in major trouble. Not a fan of the idea. US society ain't ready for that.
I miss the 80s and early 90s when our beaches were topless here. I do think that's a place it could be allowed. I don't think it's "appropriate" in all settings but surely in a natural place as the beach.
It doesn't matter how similar our nipples are in sensitivity, women's breasts are sexualized, mens aren't. It would cause a huge problem, should it be openly freed to be topless in all areas where men are.
It changed with the generation born in the 80s and 90s. It's still legal here, but the then younger people grew up with a different way of portraying it. Feminism became a thing. Not objectifying the body became a thing. I still sunbathe topless but it's not as normal anymore and you have to be mindful what people are around you. Before, everyone did it.
Today people can "sue you" if they find it's sexual harassment, even though it's legal - but on a beach, you're there to sunbathe, and it's legal and hard to be sued for. Unless you have other intent, of course.
I also think that our multicultural society becomes a hinder of sorts because it is extremely disrespectful to some. That's only my own thoughts though.
Yes, it's happened here as well, there's been problems with young Muslim men wanting to wander about the sauna, but leaving their trunks on. I think it's up to them to learn the rules of the society they live in, not for the society to change for their behaviour or beliefs. (They're welcome to stay in the non-nude areas.)
If I were a woman in Saudi Arabia, or even the Vatican, I'd probably cover my head, out of respect.
The older generations are closed minded really from what I have seen. They are anti-weed, anti same-sex marriage, anti-interracial relationships, anti-Atheism, anti-abortion, etc
@MidnightCowboy I don't know where in the US you live, but as I understand it here on the west coast the 60's and 70's were pretty crazy, not full of uptight zealotry.
The only problem I have with that is maybe breast should be covered since they're a sensitive part of the body / it's not like male nipples where they can bang on their chest and it won't hurt or leak. But hey if people want to why not? Let's get it over with. If we all go naked maybe body shapes won't be so special after all. We'd all get used to it like we got used to ankles. 😂
I find this subject funny. I say no. Women hate it when men look at women in a perverted way, so how is going topless going to help? I actually watched a troll video of this guy going to a topless protest thing and all he did was stare at the women breasts and many of the women got uncomfortable but that's what would happen. Many men would have respect and try not to look but that's one feature men are attracted to so it will happen on pure instinct. I would hate it if my loved ones went walking around topless because I know guys would just stare. I mean unless these women are just wanting the attention.
Breasts are to feed infants. They were not meant to be sexualized. I think women should have equal topless rights but I don't even like to wear bikinis because I feel so naked so I probably wouldn't roam topless. But if another girl wants to I think she should be able to.
any neurologist will tell you otherwise. as well as any woman whose ever had sex with someone with hands, for that matter. Most animals do not have human-like breasts at all, even if they fall into the category "mammal". Compare the bellies of a male and female dog, or even the chest of a female gorilla, and you won't find much difference unless she's recently given birth to a litter and is nursing young (that's about the only time she will ever have any vague semblance of what we call "breasts" on humans).
Lmao absolutely the fuck not. All the reasons I’m seeing for it is “I don’t want tan lines” or “it gets really hot and it’d be more comfortable” Might I remind you that breasts are considered sex organs and you will be considered nude in public (even if the law doesn’t say so). This brings unwanted sexual attention, and the chances of you being sexualized, objectified, and harassed skyrocket. Fairly sure that no woman wants that
For real in my opinion we should. I’m outside a lot in the sun and I see guys with their shirts off and always wish I could do that because a) it gets hot b) I hate getting farmers tans c) sports bras, crop tops for me acquire sweat like no other - I’d love to be able to just go out with nothing on top
Nope because the topless women will be blamed for random dudes groping them. Anyone remember the the clothing optional music festival in New Zealand when a topless woman was groped by a man? I remember the responses on here. "if she didn't want to be groped then she should've had a top on".
@Juxtapose see most men and some women are voting yes but in the end it'll be the topless woman who'll be to blame for a man's actions. I'm no feminist I'm just seeing the reality of what could happen.
@Juxtapose I got into an argument with my brother over the way that women dress. His opinion is that if a woman is dressed in revealing clothing that she is partly to blame if she is a victim of rape. So I asked if I would be partly to blame for being raped if I wore a bikini to the beach and he said YES. This is when the fight started and unfortunately my brother isn't the only person that has that opinion. I had my other brother, my sister in-law, mum, dad and husband in the same room as us and no one else said anything. My dad did have words to my brother after I left the room.
For the record, your brother is insane to believe that. I don't care if a woman is walking around naked, it's 100% not her fault. It's 100% the assailant's fault, ALWAYS. People are 100% responsible for their actions and these excuses for molesters disgust me.
Yes, I grew up in a culture where women went topless; swimming, sunbathing and so on... I know that sounds amazing to most guys and sure, it’s great, but when you grow up, and don’t know any different and all my friends never made a big deal about it, because the context matters, and truthfully after a few minutes of seeing hundreds of topless women laying around who aren’t thinking about sex, you stop looking or caring, or seeing them the same way unless boobs are expressed in a sexual way on purpose. I think when you put a bra on an undeveloped young girl, that is what is perverted, and that mentality in the culture, causes problems in America and other parts of the world as far as molestation and stuff
there's no nudity laws in newzealand. .. but lots of unwritten rules of descretion. So you can be naked or topless on any beach here. Just choose you beach and place on the beach that isn't going to offend anyone and behavour in a no offensive manner. Like dont go nude near by famillies with children or pre/early teens. and dont flashing your junk or bare vagina/breasts in peoples faces or perform any sexual acts.
I don't see that as a right. A far greater right is for the weak to be protected from abuse by the strong. Some women want to be able to get a strapless suntan. Some don't mind if people look at their bare breasts; but don't want to be touched, approached, raped, beaten or kidnapped. It's unrealistic to expect all men to completely control all their desires. Only one badly behaved man can create a disaster.
Actions have consequences. All rights are tempered by some common sense.
Not in this society, no. I wouldn't feel comfortable with all the staring and gawking and pointing. In the deep Amazonian jungle, maybe, if the local culture doesn't see female breasts as a sexual object. As long as they still are seen as a sexual object, I'd rather keep them covered.
The question is 'should women be able to'. If you dont feel comfortable with it, its your choice not to do it. Do you want to give others the choice to do it if they are comfortable with it?
@nichtweiss no. Because that's just feminazi BS. In many parts of the world little girls still have their genitals cut off without anesthesia, and all people in the west wants is to be able to fucking show off their breasts? You've gotta be kidding me. Why should I cater to these feminazis' stupid egos when there are other more important things to think about?
Also, if every girl walks around barebreasted and I don't, I WILL get the backlash from society. I WILL be judged and be called prude, etc. So no, I vote for no one bares their breasts as long as it's still seen as a sexual thing by society that we live in.
WTH are you talking about? We aren't talking about genital mutilation. Way to go completely off on a tangent. The issue here is the right/choice to choose what is right for you. Its about equality. Its got nothing to do with egos. And they do want other things. This is just one of the things. And do you think that if its legal all women are suddenly going to take their tops off? 1) Nope. 2) If they did, then the majority of people want this to happen. Its seen as sexual as people make it sexual. But people can change and use context. Sunbathing in the park, not sexual; flirting at a bar, sexual. And dont say it can't be like that because in many places in the world that is exactly how it is. Attitudes can be changed.
In your scenario of a backlash, I would also defend your right to not be topless. Its a personal choice and none of anyone elses business
Its absolutely your opinion and you're entitled to have it but since you posted on a forum where your opinion can be debated, thats exactly what Im doing. And Im doing it without personal attacks. In fact I said I would defend your rights too. I simply dont think its right to punish (fine/jail) someone for showing their breasts in public, within reason
At the beach, on landscaping jobs when the foreman allows men to take off their shirts, working construction, basically every place men typically go topless.
My friends and I, despite me being proudly bi and many of them being proudly trans, sat out Pride Day, but we already have plans to go to the next free the nipple rally in our state.
The truth is you can but YOU girls dont want to. Recently had a long talk about that and more than one girl was involved. Problem a) You have very little confidence. Even though you believe your boobs are ok, you are still afraid sbout the one negative look or comment. Problem b) You are really competitive when it comes to looks. Even if we are talking about best friends. Problem c) You want to keep it hidden as its easier to use it to your advantage and flirt your way through. So to all bitching about double standards... pleeeeease.
Anyways. Nudity is something im comfortable with so i wouldn't mind. Id be curious and looking at every pair but after a week it would get old.
once in a while i go in public braless with a sheer or semi sheer top. lot's of googoo looks . but never a problem . i do it for me . because i can . i'm 20 . if someone has an issue with it . like my showing off or wanting attention . then that's their issue and their opinion . but not on campus or the workplace . ok i know . sheer is not topless . toplessness will only come about when bear breasts become less offensive than guns .
I totally agree and support you wearing sheer tops, and I think it should be legal in the US for women to be topless on beaches, and in public! In Canada it is legal, and there is a program called 'Naked News' and they go out, topless, and there isn't any more crime, or bad things, happening!! I am confused how you juxtapose beautiful breasts, with guns, and add the word 'Offensive', as NEITHER are offensive, in any way.
@FMJ_Guy i was just being a little sardonic . and not very objective . :) ok another way of saying it . bare breasts are regarded as more offensive than guns .
I disagree, totally!! Bare breasts are beautiful and should be shown in any place that she feels comfortable, unlike guns, that have their place!! Sheer, and see-through tops are almost 'topless'. But, like when thongs became popular, laws needed to change, so women could wear them, publicly. Now, on some cable channels, they show bare ass!! So what's the big deal? If men can be 'topless' at a beach, maybe women with smaller breasts than the guys, can be too? Or maybe people just get over the issues, and stop freaking out about it!! OMG, really? I've been in restaurants, and seen women breast-feed at the table, in full view of anyone that isn't so embarrassed that they turn away!! One place, the woman was literally right next to me, and she noticed that I noticed what she was doing, and didn't, mind at all!! When her daughter was done, she actually asked me to hold her, while she tucked in and whatever!!
@FMJ_Guy debate. org did a poll . Should women be banned from showing their breasts in public? 22% said Yes . 78% said No . but still . the government's federal appeals court ruled preventing women from going topless . giving the reasons of = to protect public health, safety, and morals = ofensiveness to others... and the importance of keeping lady breasts out of public . that also overruled first amendment rights of free speech . of women going topless . and also overruled equal protection issues of men permitted going topless which is a violation of the 14th Amendment's Equal Protection Clause . so there you have it .
Just because they are idiots doesn't mean you should stop pressing the issue!! I TOTALLY support you (oh, bad pun, sorry!!) in that!! Someday, maybe just at certain beaches, or places, at first. . .
guys are obsessed with breasts anyway and women often use their breasts as a weapon to attract and seduce guys . since society prefers to ban bear breasts and not guns . therefore in throwing out all common sense . strategically there is no other approach other than to compromise . and women can acheive their same goals . or else . tribzap2it.files.wordpress.com/.../...-breasts.jpg
This is the one thing most men will be happy for women to fight for. Until the topless women scream sexual harrassment at the men who admire their tits. They are setting you up guys. Seriously if you think about it.🤔You men are called secret for telling a woman to smile.😁What do you think is gonna happen looking at their tits?
I wouldn't want it because while it would be distracting. If a ton of women were casually topless often and topless on tv in a casual sense. At some point you'd start getting used to it and it would desexualize breasts. But it would take away the visual fun men have toward breasts if desexualized and normalized.
That's true. A woman's body could then be as exciting for men as the male body is for women... This is why I think it sucks for straight women sometimes, but maybe it's irrelevant anyways because women are much less visual anyway...
@pizzalovershouse. Women these days scream sexual harrassment just by looking at them and making them feel uncomfortable. I agree that's not sexual harrassment but doesn't mean that's how so many woman see it as.
Yes we are less visual. Sure it's nice to see a guy with a nice body shirtless. But it doesn't make Mr want to go rub my hands all over him or jump his bones. And I'm a very sexual woman. From my experience most men are very excited about boobs and will get sexually excited about them. I think with women running around topless it may desensitize men eventually. Or maybe not. Women show a lot of cleavage these days and men still get excited but they are still leaving some mystery by not exposing the whole breast.
Men get excited by cleavage because they are a sexual display and we learn by symbols and they show but cause sexual tension because not seeing all of the breasts. Men in nudist or tribal cultures where women are casually topless aren't fazed by breasts. And cultures like the middle east with women and burkas, just seeing a woman's hair can be exciting for men there because they don't often see hair shown. Ankles during victorian times were seen as sexual and scandalous to be seen. Exactly, you can like a shirtless man, but there's nothing to be excited for. So when or if you have sex the first time with a man you're attracted to. Are you really that excited seeing his shirtless body? It sucks for you ladies. Us guys get this excitment seeing your breats when stripping because they are sexy and because they are shown off but hidden so fun for us. You don't get to have that fun seeing out bodies.
I would hate being a straight woman coming from my perspective being a man and knowing the thrill I get out of seeing a nude woman's body and taking her clothes off and her breasts and butt. And it sucks for guys too, who wished to ever feel that lust and excitment toward their body and rush and being a sex object to the woman of their desire to be ravaged. Even if a woman is turned on, it's a "false advertissment", because it's not really the man's body causing that excitment but combined things to go with the aesthetic of his body. So it feels a little bit of a lie when she's doing things to said body like it's something arousing and sexy because if it was, there would be excitiment in seeing a man's body shirtless from the get go and can't want to touch said chest and torso, but women aren't getting too excited or thrilled of the unraveling of the man they want to have sex with and seeing him nude or shirtless
@brennanhuff Yes it's more than just a man's body we are attracted too but I do get turned on seeing my man completely naked. I'm turned on by his ass, thighs and his cock that I know I'm gonna get to touch and will be inside me giving me multiple orgasms. When he is changing clothes I can't help but look and admire his body. But half nude doesn't send those signals that I want to ravish him. I can't say that all women see their men this way but I do.
you're turned on by your man, thus emotional aspect attached to the visual. So that excitment is his relation to you and the body you see. The cock is not really aesthetically pleasing, so though not seen often, it seems like most women aren't generally interested in seeing it unless it's intimately with the man they are with. Thus the big difference. Like how many women want to see a man's cock they may find attractive but don't know or a connection to? Whereas, guys don't even have to know the chick hardly, but just find her attractive to wanting to see her nude body or pussy. Maybe you aren't that attracted to men's chests or torso or shoulders. There are women where I've seen chest was a top body part they find attractive or sexiest. But I don't know if it's much different for them because while they find it attractive, because men so casually are shirtless, it seems a woman has nothing to get excited about when a man undresses
Whereas, I and men can get excited and anticipate fun times when going to see a woman's naked boobs. I like the freedom being shirtless when it's hot, but it kind of sucks in a way too, because I wish women get excited too and male body casually shown may part have to do with women not being excited about a man taking his clothes off. Maybe some guys aren't just their dicks and like their chests touched and kissed too... oh well... if a woman does that, it's fake... because if said body part or torso doesn't prompt that, then it's not the body part that would cause her to touch said body part and be excited. Part of the fun is not seeing your partner liking to please you, but knowing your body is part of her arousal and excitiment. It is for men when pleasing a woman, because women's bodies are arousing and sexy and anticipatiion women being sexy and sexualized but covered creates an amped excitment.
Well yes, but there are countries that don't sexualize women who wear no shirt. It's a bit late to change that in other countries that do. It's to the point where people sexualise women taking naked maturity pictures with their children. It's to the point people sexualize a woman fucking feeding her baby in public COVERD UP.
I think I the woman's breasts are beautiful I don't see it as a pornographic thing I mean I could it was my girlfriend or wife I wouldn't care she took off her top and other men on the beach saw her breasts, got to be pretty insecure her to panic about that come on
I voted No because it depends in the environment. Nude beaches, whatever. Public shopping or roaming the streets not unless they wear at least a bra. Female breast are as private as a man's penis. Keep it covered.
Exactly why I wouldn't do it. Of course men will love it when women have their tits out and legs spread open for them cause then they have easy access to women and they won't need any effort to get what they want. I don't wanna become so cheap.
In most parts of the world, they do. However, I don’t think other countries sexualize women as bad as the US/western world does. Because of this, my vote is no. It’s sexist, but I believe only bad things would come of it.
Sure... If you're in a civilized country being topless is illegal no matter the gender - also shoe-less... and pants-less... So yeah, I think no one should be any of those things in public - unless they're on a nudist beach.
Yes. Fuck yes they should absolutely yes. Everywhere, all the time. Let those girls hang out in the coffee shops, on the street. Maybe institute a rule, only one touch per girl, I'd be happy with that.
Sorry what were we talking about again? Oh right. YES. Fuck yes.
No because men and women are complete different women body is appealing men aren’t.. I completely disagree with this. Men can’t even keep it together from staring when we wear appealing clothing imagine being completely topless. Wtf has the world come too
I believe that with this policy overtime nudity would become much more normalized instead of inherently sexual. Although this would take an amazing amount of time most probably it would benefit women along with men in the grand scheme of things.
you know in African tribes everyone is nude right? if a man can't control himself than he had no control to begin with and doesn't respect boundaries and is most likely a rapist
Only regards want this. Women bitch about being victims and sexually harassed yet they always entertain this behaviour and like the attention. Make up your fucking minds. Women are not men so quit trying to size up to em and act as if you both have the same anatomy. For the men saying yes, are just a bunch of perverts who wanna see public nudity. Foh.
hey mister , we have a right to be topless because their are guys who have breast and they can go without a shirt. A chest is a chest wither it be on a man or woman. Besides go to a Matriarch and you would be the one who would be doing the cooking, the one in a women's world. So watch what you say sexsits you are
Sounded like it came from a man, I know they don't have breasts I'm not an idot but it shouldn't matter because being shirtless is natural , I mean humans didn't always wear clothes and in some places they still don't so they shouldn't have to wear shirts here its unequal for guy's to be able to take their shirt's off and women can't. Have a nice day , BadAssHunter.
Lmao people always wore clothes. Only uncivilized, barbaric, animal like people didn't. If you actually lived in reality your know that predators and perverts exists. If you're wanting the right to go topless you're asking for even young girls to have that same right. INSANE. You're asking to be harassed and even worse, killed or raped. We don't live in a perfect world and women have no reason to go topless. You just want the attention. Get a life.
"Sounded like a man" if you weren't paying attention the majority of men are down with this stupid shit because they're perverts and wanna gawk at your junk, feminist.
Of course it should. Is it actually illegal though? I mean most countries that have equal rights write laws in a gender neutral way. I don't see how you'd get away with treating people differently in front of the law?
While one might ask should women have equal rights to be topless like men, why didn't one instead propose should men banned from being topless. That's still equal rights. If women go topless, men will sexualize them. But I guarantee some women, maybe more than one would imagine, will also sexualize the men who go topless and for some reason that seems to currently be ok
Yes, most definitely! If men can walk around without a shirt, then a woman should be able to as well. I find it to be complete bullshit that they cannot but it's ok for a male. And F##k the whole men have pecks and women have breasts bullshit because hell, I've seen men with bigger boobs than a woman and yet they go with no shirt.
As long as they don't make a big deal about it. in my opinion women prohibited themselves from showing breasts in public as they're delicate, for protection, and later they started feeling shy about it because they were covered all the time and men would never see them. If you stare or even touch a guy's chest it's very unlikely for him to have a reaction of the same proportion as a girl, so I'd say when women feel that way about their own chests there will be no reason to prohibit them going topless.
I believe that women deserve all of the same rights that men have, but the whole concept of clothing in our society is to show our care for our privacy of our bodies. I'm annoyed whenever I see other men without shirts on because 1) I'm not interested and 2) you're completely flunking the whole concept of clothing.
If this would be put into legislation, you'd find that theyou loudest opponents of such legislation would be woman. They'd be calling each other "stupid whore" all the time, and constantly checking each other's nipples, areola, sagginess, etc...
It would be a shitshow, and I'd LOVE IT! So I'll say yes. Hell, do it in public. On public transport, if you don't mind me asking for your number.
no... boobs are already highly sexualised; basically you're gonna expect a high sexual harassment rate for a long time. and then you're gonna complain how guys are staring at your boobs blahblahblah. vaginas and penises are obviously sexual, so you don't see them peeking out do ya. people want this and that but y'all ain't practical. it will not turn out well - at all.
It's not about equal rights, Breasts need to be protected from sunlight exposure, the breast cancer statistics are high for a reason. Also the areolar and nipple of women can be outties and are therefore classed as a sexual zone. It's like saying men are allowed to get their dick out.
No but my cousin's, whos a guy, are. His index fingers are also longer than his ring fingers. And that actually has some meaning contrary to your troll bs
We should have the right. To be topless on a beach. That dosn't mean all of us will go topless. But we all should have the option to do so if they choose to.
Sure women should be allowed to, but I wonder how many would actually want to do that. I know I wouldn't, but if women did go topless it wouldn't bother me, they're just boobs.
As long as someone doesn't hurt me it doesn't bother me. If I'll see a woman walking even naked I will consider her slut. And I will keep on walking, 'cause what else should I do? So if some people want to do that, let them. Just be aware that you will be judged.
I don’t want to see others tits, let alone have my boyfriend/husband see it. It’s too late because they are way too sexualized. So no, women should not 🤷🏼♀️
But, here (in Germany) they're not particularly sexualised.
Saunas are generally mixed (with occasional man/woman only days), and everybody is naked. Most people aren't all that fussed. (There's even an old photo online of Angela Merkel nude.)
1) equality isn't the same as identical. you might as well call it sexist that only men's bathrooms get urinals.
2) you think going topless is a basic human right, eh? Well I'm sure all the black folks enslaved in the confederate states of america would've agreed with you.
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