No. That is just bad news. Might as well let the dudes have their dicks out to. Its inappropriate. Reason being boobs are different from a mans an mans chest isn't seen as sexual as a womans. And to be honest with you the people who complain about sexual harassment etc that is going to sky rocket. Also stupid people who will think it is okay to go topless in places they shouldn't. There is a time and place to take your shirt off and that isn't in public like there is literally no reason to. Its just disgusting that women want this and very unclassy, no one wants to see y'alls boobs - correction pervs do. That is what they are going to attract so no its not about topless rights. When mens chest is seen as sexual then we can talk about that but its not about rights. They have nude beaches if you want to go topless soo bad then go to one of those. Its not necessary to take your top off. Men it is.
These are all things that can be educated and dealt with until you get to a point that its not an issue. Its seems you want to stop something thats harmless because the society you live in is unable to learn/adjust, and because there are already problems that aren't being fixed well enough (if at all). Dont stop doing things because some people are bad. Instead, fix the bad people.
I come from a country where nudity is one of the few areas we are fairly conservative about. A few years ago I moved to a European country where it is accepted for women to be topless in public areas (not working about shopping of course but lying in parks, beaches, etc). The first time I saw it, it was a shock but guess what, I adjusted. Very few of the problems you state happen here simply because women can choose to be topless. In a way, it de-sexualises breasts as its not considered a taboo to show them so publicly any more. Theyre just there, deal with it. Why is it necessary for men to be topless?
I would vote no. Breasts are very sexual, tender and private area. Not for everyone to see.
I'm not about this "gender equality" thing to ridiculous points such as this. Feminists want to be equal yet want the guy they are dating to treat them like a queen lol you can't have both. Cover yourselves up if you want any respect from men lol.
@_autum9_ Well it's true lol girls complain when things aren't equal then expect to be wined and dined like a queen. You can't have both, some girls need to wake up to this lol.
Women shouldn't have to cover themselves to be respected lmao. Internalized misogyny is terrible. The only reason women's breasts are sexualized is because the society you live in has done that. You go somewhere where it's normal for women to be topless then they won't be seen as sexual. It'll be the same as a man being shirtless. Literally the only sexual organs anyone has are in between your legs. And boobs aren't between your legs
Ladies, you can choose to wear whatever you wanna wear, there shouldn't be any laws dictating unequal treatment, just like the chest region shouldn't be considered a sexual organ area.
That being said, it /is/ considered a sexual organ area, not because of laws, but because that area is a genuine source of attraction for the opposite sex. So again, choose how you wanna dress, but take that consideration into account when you do. Feel free to go topless on a beach if you're willing to accept stares from aroused men.
There are robberies, as well, and there are plenty of places I wouldn't wander around wearing a £6000 watch (if I had something so stupid).
I wouldn't expect women to take any less care over the safety of their bodies than I would an expensive watch. I'd also be surprised if there were as many sex crimes in places where women feel free to go topless as in many places where they don't.
@MidnightCowboy What does exposing our breasts have to do with Islam? Or are you just some random prev virgin who wants to see his first set of tits in person?
@MidnightCowboy she's talking about being modest, you know, like dressing in moderation? Which is what modest means... There is more than the two extremes you know?
I am not an advocate of equality, i am an advocate of the most fair solution.
You can think of this from a couple of perspectives, for example is it fair that both genders cover up there primary indicator of fertility out of modesty. The answer is clearly Yes if you agree as a society to dress modest and not expose these things openly. A men's chest contains no fertility indicators so there for does not have to be covered up if this is your standard to judge by.
Then there is a second question, do we have a need to cover up breasts in public? That depends on what you wish to achieve, its known men will absolutely love to stare at a good set of breasts. So if you do not mind men staring at your chest or an increased chance of people groping then there is only one aspect that remains.
That aspect is do we as a society value chivalry or freedom the most? This one is the actual deciding factor in a modern society. If we show breasts in public that means they loose there sexual exclusivity making them less appealing. Its no longer a gift to your partner to be allowed to see them killing off the sexual aspect of breasts. To someone like me who thinks Chivalry is incredibly sexy this would be a huge loss to society as a whole and i would prefer a more traditional partner who does not expose herself to the public. What you would gain however is the freedom for women to be topless at more locations for example in a beach cafe or supermarket.
Keep in mind society is build up in a certain fashion because of reasons we sometimes have long forgotten. So using the above indicators it really bottles down to the value of sexuality trough chivalry by covering up in public and leaving this as an extreme exclusive turn on to a sexual partner. Should we give that up? That is up to the public and would be a good subject for a democratic vote. Personally i am fine with the way it is, where women can be topless at the beach / there garden if they desire but cover up during normal day to day activities just as we can frown upon shirtless men in a supermarket.
Shame on those who voted yes, those girls are clearly whores and sluts, they don't have any self respect. They are shameless and disgusting, who have no standards. They were not given an upbringing. They have no right to call themselves women and feminist. They are the reason I don't call myself a feminist. They are the same women who are ready to kill me for being against their opinion.
A man should only say yes to this, if he is okay with his mother, sister, daughter and wife being topless and then men looking at them and clicking photos.
This will just increase people going to jail and killing each other on the beach.
hey why not have sex in public, and what can I say to men when women don't respect themselves. There is a difference between animals and humans, that will be live porn. Animals don't wear clothes but humans do. Animals don't have any rules when it comes to actions and words but humans do. This is very backward, like the people in jungle who have nothing to wear.
A daughter has 5 rights 1. food 2. clothes 3. shelter 4. education 5. marriage
Nudity is not a right or a cause to fight for. If anything happens to a topless woman, if someone looks at her, clicks her photos, I will not feel sorry for her. What is left now, the private part down below?
Tomorrow, people will say a mother has no right to tell her daughter not to be topless, this is not feminism, this is not equality, this is not woman empowerment, this will degrade women's value. This will corrupt the society. People who said yes are those who think parents have no rights over their children. This is not freedom. This is shamelessness.
why are you so scared of showing your skin? the way you were born? there is nothing shameful about your own body, i feel proud about my body, the way it looks and everything.
U r correct the thing even if this law of top less thing is accepted becomes a right it will dramatically increase the crimes related to girls like rap etc
@Ninene try to make your soul beautiful, the body you are proud will return to the grave, and the soul will return to its lord, think whether god will accept your soul or not. And shyness is not a weakness but a woman's strength and a beautiful quality that makes a woman a woman, and I don't want to lose my shyness. My body is not there for the whole world to look at, a woman's beauty is only for her husband. What you are doing is peer pressure, making a woman feel insecure for covering up, proud to be shy, and I am proud that I feel shy to show my body to strangers. God gave me this body he created me in my mother's womb, in short words the body belongs to god more, and he gave me the beauty, which I must take care of and I must not misuse this gift, this beauty, only my future husband can look at my body. There is a difference between being confident and shameless and self-obsessed, a shy person can also be confident. There is a difference between beautiful, provocative and vulgar.
@Ninene I am more than just a body and a pretty face, I am not a piece of meat, I have a mind, a soul, a heart and a personality. Someone can look like me but they can't think like me. Beauty is temporary, it will fade away as I age, but personality, values, memories, actions, legacy will always stay there. This is pride, this is confidence, this is beauty.
@Larry_Gill exactly, girls are putting themselves in danger, loss of clothes was satan's first way to humiliate humans- adam and eve, and look what the world has come to, loss of clothes which was once humiliation is now being celebrated.
Yes u r righr about that although I don't know much of Christianity but why I think about this is same there are some things that make the value of the human if a human Is going to loose the dignity there is nothing else to loose afterwards and I think that's how demons are made in our society with no shame
@carpetDenim absultuly. Take an example there is something that u always wanted in a shop until u don't get it there will be rush a motivation to earn something to get it but if u have something all over the play what I the motive to even try don't get it in a sexial way but it's just how it is.
You are the one sexualising this. These women just want to sunbathe topless at a park or beach, etc. Nothing sexual about it unless YOU think it is. Theyre just breasts FFS. Get over it.
Another stupid argument where something as simple and harmless as going topless is taken to the extreme of full nudity, public sex, corrupting society, and some stupid comparison to animals. And killing? WTF are you talking about? Calm down & think rationally.
If you dont want to be topless, dont do it. Simple. You have the RIGHT not to, & some women want the RIGHT to do it.
Degrade a womans value? But thats exactly what you are doing by calling these women shameless whores for something so harmless.
Side note: One of the basic rights is marriage? Im not saying someone shouldn't have the right to get married but if listing only 5 basic rights, that makes it? What about the right to healthcare? Freedom to worship (or not)? Listing marriage makes it seem like that is what you see as a womans purpose
@nichtweiss Number one if you think it is not a big deal then why are men in the comments so excited to see women topless, why do men love it, Hollywood has topless women to increase views and money, and if you tell men to control and feel anything looking at boobs then you are fighting against human nature. Marriage is not as petty as you think, one can call marriage a purpose of life, it is a big thing, nowadays not getting divorced and getting married is a achievement and a real challenge and then having children, grandchildren, unless one wants to die alone. The human race began with marriage. A family oriented woman is not inferior to a career oriented woman, woman who works contributes to the economy, day care centres, whilst a family oriented woman contributes to her own family, her own life, a housewife is not inferior to a working woman. Marriage turns a house into home. Relationships came in this world before money.
@Ninene let me tell u the possible benifits and losses of this thing it will be based on both genders Benis 1 girls are free the trouble of bras and stuff is gone 2 less warm feeling in summers I guess 3 fell free or what ever (I can on estimate this cause I m boy ok)
Disadvantages 1 rudely treated by boys 2 will be joked 3 safety will go low 4 will be judged 5 respect level will go down Etc Even at my level of understanding which is pritty midocre I think there r way more reasons not to do it.
May be my views r bias because I m boy and can't think of the problems girls have.
@Shezadi just because a girl said yes doesn't make her a whore or a slut. I said yes, and where I live it is allowed, but I still don't and wouldn't go out topless or even to a nude beach. I'm not comfortable enough to do that but I don't see why women who are comfortable enough shouldn't be allowed to. It's their choice. Get off your fucking high horse, you aren't better than anyone else so stop acting like it.
"loss of clothes was satan's first way to humiliate humans- adam and eve" weren't they quite happy naked until they ate the apple? They didn't lose their clothes, they gained them.
Its not a big deal. Of course you will have some idiots going overboard and making problems. They must be taught. And of course men do like breasts. Im not trying to change that but there is context. A topless woman sunbathing is different from, for example, a woman using her breasts to flirt at a bar. Just because breasts are involved doesn't make the situation sexual. Breastfeeding, for example, isn't sexual (except for a tiny minority that are into that for whatever reason). Or I can go the other way and say that 'I think lips are sexual' as they can be used to flirt/ kiss/ other things. Shall we cover those too? Or accept that these things have context.
What the hell are you going on about with this marriage rant. I never said anything like what you are talking about. I simply said that marriage is not one of the top 5 rights of a person. I did imply that you *might* think that an unmarried woman is inferior to a married woman, but that does not imply that I think the opposite
@ciitruskiwi Those girls who voted yes are whores and sluts, and those who votes no are better than them. Those who voted no have more self-respect and dignity than those women, and I am not shameless like those women. Those women are just going to degrade our value.
@ciitruskiwi You see those women are being judged already in the comments, and when this happens for real, they will be judged even more, judge yourself before others judge you, this topless debate is extreme and not judging a person who decides to go naked, is also extreme. Boobs are not the same as male breasts, women and men are different, god created women and men like he created night and day, night and day cannot become like each other, it is the difference between them that makes them beautiful, day cannot have the moon and stars, night cannot have the sun, women who copy men are insecure of their gender, I don't want to be like men, I am proud to be a woman, I am not ashamed to accept that there are certain things that I can't do and men can, and this is called femininity, Elizabeth Elliot said, "the more feminine women will be, the more manly men will be and the more glorified god will be," Shyness is a feminine quality, shyness is not a weakness, it is beautiful
@Shezadi clearly you read nothing I said. Guess I'm a slut and a whore for saying yes even though I would never actually go out topless. You aren't any better than me or anyone else. I hope you get over that one day.
It's an interesting question. Men are allowed to walk around topless in most spaces, so why not women? The main question in my opinion, however, isn't whether women should be allowed to go topless, but rather, if we did allow it, what would be the appropriate legal age to allow it? Boys of any age are welcome to walk around without shirts on, bare chested, but if we were to legalize it so that women could walk around topless in the same basic function that men are, do we allow this to women of any age or will it be limited to those of the legal age of consent? If the argument is if men can do it, than women should be allowed to as well, than an equal argument could be made that if young boys from the age of 1 - 17 can do it, than young girls from the age of 1 - 17 should be able to do it. If we do decide that women of any age can walk around topless, than you have to consider whether you would feel comfortable with your niece, sister, cousin, daughter, etc. walking around topless around men and women who may see them in a more sexual manner because female breast are sexualized in this day and age.
I've been to Europe where the beach was a nude beach, Almost every one was nude. The attractive and unattractive. That would be fine except as much amen Ike to see tits there is a equally number of women who like to show them. Although there no many women who had large breast. You know the kind, huge. My wife and daughter are both well endowed with 40DD and 40D hat hang heavy ans bounce akk over the place. They told me it was uncomfortable to bounce around in the water with out them flying around and hurting. My pint is that it is not comfortable for them. Will there be pressure to undress. I would hate to be fry cook and feel I must use my rights. Breast are more that mammary glands. Our society puts a sexual context to breast so exposed tits are a sign of promiscuous and there is a whole industry dedicated to showing breast but not too much. Nude Clubs give repute for all nude followers. Frankly I don't t think current laws make difference. It is affected now with current fashions. I don't know about topless. I would like to see more because I like seeing tits.
A woman's breasts are sexual so no. I would not allow my daughter or wife to go around topless - fuck that !
About the comment related to the fact that some people say "more women will be groped". The equivalence is: Chest and butts are already quite visible nowadays with much of what women wear — their shape or even those half ass shorts = to unlock your doors Now going naked or going without a top = leaving your front door open.
You're essentially expecting people to ignore the difference between a locked house where nothing can be stolen easily and a door with an open house where the temptation is there. The point is that unless you want to play a victim you have to understand that everything creates a certain reaction; free money on the ground creates a 'picking up' reaction for most people, an unlocked bike creates a 'steal' reaction in say one tenth of people, and topless women may create a reaction of 0.5% of people.- for example. You cannot expect people to turn off their instincts. because you don't do it either. You indulge yourself in food, you are attracted to attractive people, you feel empathy when something happens to someone else, etc. These are the same instincts as any other. The group responsible for genocide is doing what is normal for groups to do - protect themselves against real or suspected threats.
On beaches where children and minors aren't permitted, sure. But just casually out in public where anyone, of any age, whether they want to or not, can see them? Most definitely not. Whether women want to accept it or not, their breasts are sexual organs, and they are sexualized by our culture and our society. Anyone attracted to women is aroused by even just the mere sight of their breasts, breastplay is a prime aspect of sex/foreplay, big boobs are one of the most common fetishes, and exposing cleavage and other parts of the breasts are a common way for a woman to seduce or sexually entice another person. A woman's breasts are undeniably sexual, and they were developed as a way to attract men, who naturally rely more on visual stimuli than women. For all of these reasons, women's breasts and women's nipples are nowhere near the same thing as as a man's nipples, and they should not be allowed to go topless. That's called indecent exposure for a reason.
Are you honestly just going to ignore the rest of my comment? That happens to be full of evidence for what makes them sexual? If you’re only gonna take hits at my opening statement instead of looking at my whole argument then you can go bother somebody else. They are innately sexual, so of course fucking children shouldn’t see them.
I just don’t see what the point is. Why should it be acceptable for women to have such loose morals and show off their bodies to everyone around them? No one wants nor needs to see any of that. And it’s a slippery slope, once it’s acceptable for women to flash their tits to everyone the next step will be to make it acceptable for men and women to flash their vaginas and penises to everyone. Cuz that’s just societal “progression” isn’t it?
Okay, so I should be able to walk into a church fully nude if I want to? Or a school? And anyone who complains about it shouldn’t do so because they have the choice to just “look away”?
Did you read what I wrote? "Forcing someone to look at your nudity is wrong, being nude isn't." Churches and schools are places where people don't expect to see nude people, so you're forcing them to see you nude.
But you said people have the choice to look away if they see it in places where it isn’t accepted. If it’s happening in a place where it isn’t accepted, it’s happening somewhere that isn’t expected either.
The question is about beaches. You're the one who brought up churches and schools (and I agreed with you). In the street, you have the choice to look away, or to accept and de-sexualise breasts.
Absolutely not. I did not ask to see some strange woman's utters. I've got my own thank you. In fact, forcing people to look upon your naked body is violating in my opinion. On vacation last month on the beach I saw a girl probably 13. Topless. And he had already started budding. It was the most uncomfortable eye contact I've ever made. If this becomes a thing, I will never visit a beach again.
@JellyDonutguy96 Unfortunately these women just won't be satisfied any way you slice it! Riot control will not be enough I'm afraid. I just feel bad for you males having to find a decent woman in today's society smh.
as a guy it's easy to for me to talk to other guys about many things because they most likely would be interested in those topics, but when it comes to girls I have to adjusted my topics, because they'd would most likely be interested in a small half of things that interest me
@JellyDonutguy96 I have zero female friends due to that, as well as the drama. I don't do that crap. They'd rather go shopping whereas me would rather go four wheeling.
most friends I've had were guys and a couple female friends from school but there wasn't a lot a m high school, so it was like 17 guy friends and like 3 or 4 female friends
Men's nipples are just as erogenous as women's. In parts of the world where sex isn't taboo, or censored as much, and in places where nudity isn't considered indecent, visual exposure to females breasts doesn't cause anywhere near the reaction it does in American men. The only reason it causes this reaction here, is because our men have been trained to see breasts as a sexual stimulant.
However, I don't really see a safe and fair way to have this sexist, outdated, double standard over-turned anytime within the near future.
You know, except to fact that breast are literally evolved as a method to attract a mate instead of a butt. Which makes them inheritly more sexual than a mans chest.
As a woman though, would you really want to lose that trained sexual capital though? You'd be seen as less attractive and less likely for the guy to pursue and make an effort. That would actually be great for guys. There would be more balanced sexual currency.
@cavmanier I'm a sapeosexual. Looks and money do not affect my choice, I choose purely on personality, 100% Naturally, I prefer men of similar mind.
I reject the idea that men should take the imitative in all romantic interaction, and strongly believe that woman should take a more proactive role in initiating.
The field needs to be more level. This domestic terrorism called "modern feminism" has all but made it illegal for the men to make any real headway.
I'm getting off topic, so I'll just say that you make a valid point, which I agree with.
"men's nipples are just as erogenous as women's"? how the heck can you say that? any neurologist will tell you that you're an idiot and that you should stop pulling stuff out of your arse
Nope, try again. Studies have been done, by neurologists, on the sexual sensitivity of men's nipples. 17% of men do get pleasurable sexual stimulation through their nipples, and the reason that more men do not, is because men's nipples are even more sensitive than women's. 25% of women don't enjoy nipple stimulation, because they are too sensitive. From personal experience, I can tell you, those who don't enjoy it, can with the right person.
also, torwulf is right. breast *did* evolve to attract mates. the fact that *you in particular* aren't sexually attracted to women's bodies doesn't change that.
My tits started growing in when i was about 8. Before then i had often opted on warm days to go topless, it felt freeing, and it was cooler than smothering myself in a shirt. Not to mention it made me more like my brother and i was all about that as a kid.
I was so upset when my dad told me i was too old to be topless anymore. I didn't understand why it was so different for me to go outside with no shirt when my brother could do it just fine.
Nowadays, i wouldn't opt to go topless. I can barely wear a two piece without feeling overly self conscious. Plus i sweat more without a bra and egh. Not a good situation to be in.
But it absolutely should be legal. They changed that law for men, its time for them to finish what thay started and do the same for women.
I do not understand your being so self conscious. But I certainly agree with your logic and feelings that even though you would not go topless now, you support making it legal (and equal). I, appreciate that.
@Red_Arrow my stepmother is the easiest answer. Shed go off her rocker if my shirt showed to much of my chest, let alone if there was even a hint of cleavage. So bathers where not only is there chest and cleavage all in one, but my belly showing too? Its just too much, and thanks to my stepmother drilling in what "people think" i only get paranoid that people are talking about me.
I really hope that you can eventually free yourself of what she laid on you. The body is not dirty. Of course you need to set your own limits, but that is too much.
@Red_Arrow i absolutely agree with you. Its all mostly subconscious now, i love two pieces and i know i look great in them. I just wish could wear them outside the change rooms.
let's test this: every woman who thinks she should be allowed to be topless in public, whether on a beach or walking down the street, send me a picture of you topless so I can see your breasts.
if you won't do that, I have to assume you DO NOT WANT random people to see you topless, likely because you realize breasts are sexual, and there is no way to change the minds of billions of people into no longer seeing them sexually, and you would rather not be openly oggled and gawked at by men.
Because if you want to be topless, that is what will happen. people will look. people will stare. people will take pictures. your choice is to either accept that humanity sees breasts sexually, and be ok with people looking, or realize breasts are sexual, and that if you uncover them people will stare, and so wear your bikini top. Either is OK with me. Be topless if you want, but I will look.
A woman’s breast are a sexual organ, while a mans chest is not. It’s simply not equivalent to say “should women have equal topless rights as men”. The current idea of women in some sort of bikini, and a man in some sort of trunk, is already equal: neither are blatantly demonstrating any sexual organs out in the open.
If you want to rip off your toe and go nude from the waist up, by all means that’s your choice men and women, I don’t judge; I’m sure there are nudist beaches, or semi nudist beaches that’ll skate whatever desire for clothing you have.
I'm honestly kind of annoyed that people see boobs as such a sexual thing. I don't understand it. If men are allowed to go about topless and without it being considered "inappropriate" why the fuck is it imposed on women? I'm honestly pretty sure bras/bikini tops are only for the purpose of holding boobs up and then someone misinterpreted it as a matter of being appropriate... which is really fucking dumb. Just let everyone be topless, there really should be nothing inherently sexual about breasts. By definition genitals are sexual because they are literally sexual organs so I get covering them up, but I don't understand why boobs are seen as inherently sexual.
No not in the U. S. A womans boobs "sexually arouse" men and can give them erections so they would be walking around with boners and wanting to either fuck the topless women or jerking off looking at them. In our society Tits and Ass are sexual objects for men, makes them horny and hard. Why do you think men go to strip club or bars if tits aren't sex objects? Why are so many men jerking off looking at nude girls and porn on the internet? Its a multi billion dollar industry & there are literally millions of porn sites and sites with naked girls that men & boys ages 10 to 18 are looking at every day & they are ALL jerking off. As a personal example I started masturbating and cumming while looking a nude girls, their tits and ass when I was 12 years old and still do occasionally even though I'm married. Yes married men look at porn and they also jerk off so if you think they don't you're either extremely naive or sadly misinformed.
It is only considered taboo because of the medieval practices of warming oneself and I'd like to think women more than likely War tops for breast support more so then trying to hide women's breasts from sexual desire caused by exposure. Lot of rules and man-made Doctrine came about an order to keep the peasants under control by the hierarchies and religious leaders. By stripping away freedoms and God given rights claiming things that are natural to be taboo so that everyone would be looking to the leaders for guidance. That's what I'd like to that's what I'd like to think
I totally support women’s rights to be topless like men! I mean what guy wouldn’t... haha 😉. In NYC in 1992, a woman sued the city for being arrested for taking her top off like men had after a marathon race. It went all the way to the NYS Supreme Court and she won. Now in NYC women have the right to be topless. In the summer you can occasionally see women sun bathing topless in parks and walking on the street or even shopping. I’m sure there are other type laws in other states that may slow the same.
I think women can go topless if they want because personally, seeing topless women doesn't really fuel my lust drive and get my hormones pumping. I'm not gay, I just have a high level of self-control that took years to build. The same can't be said for others though...
I think that the problem with women going topless in the presence of men is that some men simply see women as no more than a sexual object.
I think that women should have the right to do so, just be wary of who you're doing it around because you never know what a sex-driven male might do...
I don't really think so. That would create an even larger divide between women because we're already competitive and judgmental enough. If we started seeing women going topless in public, chances are, a lot of women would be hating on the topless ones and life would probably be harder for boyfriends too, because it's inevitable they'll look (probably way too much) and get themselves in major trouble. Not a fan of the idea. US society ain't ready for that.
I miss the 80s and early 90s when our beaches were topless here. I do think that's a place it could be allowed. I don't think it's "appropriate" in all settings but surely in a natural place as the beach.
It doesn't matter how similar our nipples are in sensitivity, women's breasts are sexualized, mens aren't. It would cause a huge problem, should it be openly freed to be topless in all areas where men are.
It changed with the generation born in the 80s and 90s. It's still legal here, but the then younger people grew up with a different way of portraying it. Feminism became a thing. Not objectifying the body became a thing. I still sunbathe topless but it's not as normal anymore and you have to be mindful what people are around you. Before, everyone did it.
Today people can "sue you" if they find it's sexual harassment, even though it's legal - but on a beach, you're there to sunbathe, and it's legal and hard to be sued for. Unless you have other intent, of course.
I also think that our multicultural society becomes a hinder of sorts because it is extremely disrespectful to some. That's only my own thoughts though.
Yes, it's happened here as well, there's been problems with young Muslim men wanting to wander about the sauna, but leaving their trunks on. I think it's up to them to learn the rules of the society they live in, not for the society to change for their behaviour or beliefs. (They're welcome to stay in the non-nude areas.)
If I were a woman in Saudi Arabia, or even the Vatican, I'd probably cover my head, out of respect.
The older generations are closed minded really from what I have seen. They are anti-weed, anti same-sex marriage, anti-interracial relationships, anti-Atheism, anti-abortion, etc
@MidnightCowboy I don't know where in the US you live, but as I understand it here on the west coast the 60's and 70's were pretty crazy, not full of uptight zealotry.
The only problem I have with that is maybe breast should be covered since they're a sensitive part of the body / it's not like male nipples where they can bang on their chest and it won't hurt or leak. But hey if people want to why not? Let's get it over with. If we all go naked maybe body shapes won't be so special after all. We'd all get used to it like we got used to ankles. 😂
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