Should Antifa be banned as a hate group?

[WhitePanther88]

For the last couple of years Antifa have been assaulting people, protesting against free speech, taking away people's right to free movement damaging property, harrassing people, disrupting free elections, intimating people, disrupting people's lives and trying to silence the opinions of others who don't share their vision of dn authoritarian state.

Yes

No

Triggered!!

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@1truekhaleesi
Dylan Roof probably genuinely believed George Zimmerman was a white man because that was the story the mainstream media was deliberately running with, even yet media outlets like the Huffington post still can't accept that George Zimmerman is not a white man and once a registered democrat who voted for Obama.
Dylann Roof was a kid with mental who like most mass shooters was on anti-depressants and lost touch with reality. The Trayvon shooting was part of his manifesto.

[Miristheiss]

You can't ban them. We have free speech. That would just be doing the idiocy they stand for which is silencing anyone they disagree with even when most of the time they are just believing propaganda and not reality.

BUT, they definitely should be arrested at the drop of a hat the moment they start getting violent, blocking events, blocking traffic, assaulting anyone, destroying property and vandalizing. The way the police just sit back and let them have their little criminal gang outbursts as they sit by and watch has to end.

They have the right to voice their views but not to commit acts of crime or to interfere with others who are trying to exercise their free speech.

I am 100% against anyone claiming free speech allows them to interfere with someone else's free speech. They should be arrested in they block traffic, commit violence or try to interrupt another speaker who has been invited to a university to speak.

[castratedwhiteguy]

What we're talking about here is a violent group of modern day American brown shirts. The worrisome thing about these idiots is the fact that they seem to be supported and funded by some big money interests such as George Soros, left wing politicians and Wall St. banks. I'm just fearful that these clowns will be showing up and acting violent in front of local voting stations on the midterm election day.

[ADFSDF1996]

Not ban because they’ll use that as ammunition by saying “Look the fascists are oppressing us by banning our right to free speech.” But I do think antifa should be labeled as a gang or a hate group.

Antifa is a unorganized group of self entitled individuals who basically attack anyone who doesn’t want to appease them or agree with them. They even clash with BLM and fight amongst themselves as well.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dPKENSL9JB8

Antifa seems to have made a lot of enemies on all parts of the political spectrum, so there’s a good chance that Antifa may be branded as a hate group one day.

[WhitePanther88]

I love the video lol.

[madhatters4]

is the kkk banned?
are the neo nazis banned?

our constitution says their right to congregate shall not be infringed upon. no they should not be banned. their illegal actions should be prosecuted. they can be including on groups watched closely by the fbi (which they are) but there is no reason to ban them... freedom of assembly remember.

[WhitePanther88]

I never see the KKK or neo Nazis anywhere. I dont see them preventing people from going to work or returning home. I only see Antifa assaulting "nazis" in the street. Everyone who isn't antifa is a Nazi according to them.

[AlphaMaleTruth]

The neo nazis are antifa dumbass. Nazi party was the national socialist party they fought against rights of free speech and hitler took the guns. You’re a fucking idiot and enemy of god America rights and truth

[madhatters4]

@WhitePanther88 you never see the KKK or Neo Nazis? then your head is in the sand. clearly you missed charlottesville or the more recent unite the right 2 protest. perhaps you didn't hear about newnan, ga
time.com/5249811/neo-nazis-burn-swastika-georgia/

@AlphaMaleTruth the neo nazis are not antifa. since you are unaware of that simple fact i'll ignore the rest of what you said including that illegible last sentence.

[WhitePanther88]

The neo Nazis and KKK are small groups that gathered a few hundred in Charlottesville.
Antifa are seen everyday in every city harrassing people and jumping on their cars, threatening drivers I large mobs.
It's only a matter of time until someone is beaten to death by antifa, remember one punch can kill.

[madhatters4]

simply not true. and still no one has been killed by Antifa. neo nazis and kkk were not only at charlottesville. they were in DC just a few weeks ago for Unite the Right 2. they were in newnan ga, which i linked a story to. the fact is they exist. they commit crimes just like antifa. so unless you are going to ban all radical groups you can't make any logical argument that antifa which hasn't killed anyone is more dangerous than the neo nazis and kkk who have killed thousands (at least) and been allowed to exist nonetheless for more than a century

[WhitePanther88]

Left wing terrorism has always been a threat in the US, an anarchist even shot a us president. The KKK barely exists as the national democrat sponsored organisation it once was. I dont refute their existence just their prevalence which is so tiny that most of the time antifa have no facists to protest, what does Antifa do when they can't punch a nazi? They determine everyone else who isn't them a nazi and punch them. They destroy the property of other people espicially vechilles. The US flag is now a fascist symbol and those with one must be assaulted.
When I'm driving and antifa block the road what do I do? Slow down and let them surround and bust the shit out of my car and maybe drag me out and hospitalise me or do I put my foot on the throttle and now them down? because I'm getting tired of my car getting scratched up and mirrors broke by middle class kids who grew up with a silver spoon up their ass and are made that their college degree in gender studies can't get them a job.

[madhatters4]

so they block the road. what is the threat on your life? one president was shot at by an anarchist? holy shit let's ban all the left leaning groups.

you do see how this works right? you excuse the neo nazis and kkk as small quiet groups (small quiet groups that have killed in excess of 4000 people in over a century) while condemning a group that has not killed ONE person.

so it's just about what you agree with on an ideological level and not about any true objective belief on the matter.

[WhitePanther88]

A mob blocking the road and surrounding my vechille is a threat both to me and my property. Assaulting someone has the potential to kill, have you never seen the warnings about how a single punch can kill.
Don't forget antifa was founded by communists and communists have killed about 100 million more people than the KKK.
The fact that quite a few left wing terrorists are currently employed by colleges is quite telling.
If you are against totalitarianism and people being assaulted in the street by antif facists then you'd denounce antifa.

[madhatters4]

this isn't about denouncing, renouncing or endorsing. the question is should they be banned? if groups that have killed several thousand people are allowed to exist one that blocks roads should be allowed to exist

[WhitePanther88]

A group that killed 100 million people is allowed to exist. 7000 seems very small.

[madhatters4]

antifa didn't kill 100 million people. communist didn't kill 100 million people. communist regimes killed those people. by your logic capitalistic governments shouldn't be allowed to exist or any organization with founders who supported capitalism

[WhitePanther88]

By your logic the KKK didn't kill any people because that was the old national KKK when it was hand in glove with the democrats.
Communists did kill 100 million people, if you look those bullets were fired by communists holding rifles.
I suppose Nazis didn't kill Jews gas chambers did.
The world's population has jumped to 7 billion thanks to capitalism. That's more, food, medicine, shelter, infastructure and energy paid for by capitalism.

[madhatters4]

your arguments are getting pathetic and completely illogical. just stop

i do not think antifa should be banned as a hate group. that's that. am i entitled to my opinion? yes just like you are entitled to yours. there is no flaw in my logic that if one group is allowed to exist another should be allowed to exist in america.

so move on.

[WhitePanther88]

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[ladsin]

Yes. Anti-fascists using fascistic tactics are just baffling. The group has a lot of bad history and is a hate group. They either have a horrific public image that needs to be addressed, or a horrific ideology.

[WhitePanther88]

I agree. Like where are the facists and Nazis? In my entire life I've met about two and I didn't meet any at the VA. I've met plenty of Antifa losers though mostly all privledged middle class white 18-28 year olds

[ladsin]

Mm. I haven't met much any in real life. I met one person that sticks out as an outright racist, but don't think I've met much anyone else that was far from the norm (in either direction).

I've seen plenty of both on the internet, but that's the internet. So... yeah

[WhitePanther88]

I met some KKK guys a few years ago, they seemed like decent people but super retarded.

[ladsin]

Mm. My friend was supposedly invited to a KKK event. He said no because he didn't agree, but the fella said he wasn't racist either. He just liked to go for the free beer and food.

I don't know if that's true, but I presume it's not far off. I'm sure there are still many who are abhorrent racists burning effigies, but my guess is that in general they're people most like any other. They have their own concerns and by-and-large and probably just want to live their own lives.

That would be my guess at least as, again, I've never met any.

[WhitePanther88]

I was invited to an event too but I couldn't support that and I think they were trying to recruit me, besides I'm Catholic so wouldn't really feel welcome.
Kkk numbers must be tiny maybe no more than 5-10 thousand a big difference considering 30% of Americans were members in the early 1900s

[ladsin]

Probably, they've been effectively neutered so far as I can tell.
As a catholic you couldn't be a part of my local Odinist group either XD

[WhitePanther88]

Damme I was getting all wet at the thought of joining the Soldiers of Odin lol.

[ladsin]

I figured. The All Father is quite attractive.

[AlphaMaleTruth]

Nailed it on the head. Biggest hypocrites who believe everything nazis do but call rights loving moral living truth following Americans “nazis” typical devil socialists who should be deported to Venezuela.

[OlderAndWiser]

We should never ban a group because of the content of their speech. However, Antifa members should be arrested for every crime that they commit.

[AlphaMaleTruth]

Correction: COMMITTED

[looneymalooney]

useless people that were fed with shitty ideas and told they are the last line of defense.

Actions are way beyond normal in a normal society and behind the motto of "anti-fascism", I see them trying to beat up people and destroy shit.
So to me it looks like someone, throwing punches left and right and screaming "leave me alone" all of the sudden.
What would that behaviour mean to anyone normal?

Nothing more than "bring the white vests, they need their pills". They should definitely be banned from existence. This is an organized riot group.
I'm just as interested to know WHO invests in them though and WHY?
As previously mentioned in my comments on this site any NGO these days, any organization that is not based on economical activities that brings money hence they cannot survive as economical entities, should be forced to declare where they get the money to sustain their existence.
(there is an NGO working in the Mediterranean Sea that actually rented a 40 metre vessel to scoop the immigrants from the African waters and bring them to Europe. What kind of NGO has that kind of money?)

There is an antifa training camp in Germany, just so you understand these guys aren't simply people that adhere to an ideal on facebook and then randomly go in the street to protest peacefully, but people that are being taught how to act, react, disrupt, become violent (physically and verbally)

[Qwerty_0]

I would LIKE to shoot them all with various weaponary for afternoon entertainment, HOWEVER, that's kinda illegal. Also, banning them would not bring any good, just give them fuel for the fire. Besides, being a Nazi or a KKK member isn't technically illegal, although you could get into some trouble. The best course of action, in my opinion, is to publically shame them - bring light to everything they do and make people aware what a violent and disgusting group of people these cunts are.

And then shoot them all with various weaponary over a cup of tea and scones.

[Qwerty_0]

Oh right, and arrest them for brutally assaulting civilians and police offers, and probably murder too.

[goaded]

Oh, come on, "probably murder"?

There has been an actual murder and two documented shootings from the other side, and nothing similar from AntiFa.

[Rissyanne]

@goaded this doesn’t surprise me you defending these idiots

[Qwerty_0]

@goaded Do you know what these people do? I wouldn't be surprised if there were murders that were either covered up or that I simply haven't heard of, because they brutally assault anyone that doesn't agree with them without mercy. It's pathetic, and shows just how weak they are that they have to use Nazi tactics, which is exactly what they acuse the other side of being, funnily enough.

[goaded]

Why don't you just do a quick search?

Is it Fox News, the fully Republican controlled government, or the apparently almost communist law enforcement agencies covering these things up?

[Rissyanne]

@goaded dude you don’t even live in the US. Stop acting like you know something

[AlphaMaleTruth]

They deserve it committing acts of terrorism violence and anti rights beliefs against moral Americans. We have a right to defend ourself from these nazi socialists and we should deport them to venezuela

[goaded]

@AlphaMaleTruth Do you understand that Antifa are the ones fighting the people chanting "Blood and soil", which was a key slogan of Nazi ideology?

[WhitePanther88]

@goaded antifa dresses in black the color of facism. Antifa are also very antisemitic

[Rissyanne]

@goaded they burn business and tear up everything. And you are defending them.

[WhitePanther88]

@Rissyanne they even beat up a Bernie supporter that was waving the stars and stripes.

[Rissyanne]

White panther you know how violent liberals can be anyway.

[goaded]

@WhitePanther88 "antifa dresses in black the color of facism. Antifa are also very antisemitic"

Oh, come on, funeral directors, the LAPD and Ninjas also wear black. And the second part is just obvious gaslighting from the side that chanted “Jews will not replace us” at Charlottesville.

Weren't you born in 1989/1990? What does the 88 in your username mean, exactly?

[WhitePanther88]

@goaded they blame Jews for wallstreet

[WhitePanther88]

@goaded they claim Judaism is white supremacy

[goaded]

No, they don't, and no, they don't, that's the Alt-right, you're describing.

Weren't you born in 1989/1990? What does the 88 in your username mean, exactly?

[WhitePanther88]

@goaded Yes they do, antisemitism is rife among left wingers, look at the British labour party.
88 means good luck, it's also the number of a driver I won big on. 88 means love and kisses in Morse code as well as short hand for the same on ham radio but thsts not my thing.

[goaded]

@Rissyanne You know this opinion starts with "I would LIKE to shoot them all..."?

[goaded]

Distrust of Israel is not uncommon, because the left stand up for the oppressed. Anti-semitism is not the same thing.

You're a Chinese Ham Radio operator now, are you? Cool.

[WhitePanther88]

@goaded in her defence when they are stopping you going to work and bouncing on top of your roof, kicking your mirrors and scratching the shit out of a car your still paying yeah id like to shoot them all too.

[Rissyanne]

@goaded your point is?

[goaded]

@Rissyanne What do you think it is?

[Rissyanne]

@goaded that you want us to love antifa like you do.

[Jager66]

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[AlphaMaleTruth]

Two thumbs down from hoe queens typical feminists who feelings are more important than facts or the future of our families and country. Women should not be allowed to vote

[Catholicgirl22]

No but they should be punished individually for the crimes quite a number are committing and arrested if covering their faces in public places. Their actions are getting out of hand, according to them everyone who disagrees is a Nazi and so deserves punched. It's only a matter of time before they kill someone.

[markscott]

Catholicgirl22: Where was all this concern about people getting hurt at Charlottesville, where a woman was killed by white supremacists and Nazis? I agree that anyone breaking the law needs to stand before the law, but it doesn't just apply to Antifa. We hear all this need for protection, but only when it's a minority that is causing the danger. It's no big deal when Nazis and white supremacists march and kill. it's okay when Bundy and his ilk break the law.

[WhitePanther88]

@markscott how about when BLM and black nationalist Micah Xavier Johnson murdered five police officers and wounded 9 people. How about James T. Hodgkinson who shot 5 people in a baseball stadium?

[NineBreaker]

The way they are behaving, they pretty much are a hate group. However, for the same reason we can't really ban hate groups, we can't really ban Antifa. Antifa members however must be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law if they break it.

The problem is that cracking down on them will only embolden them. That is what they want. They need violent confrontations to further their cause. I have faith that some of them will see the light someday and see the error of their ways before it's too late. Of course, the exception is if that light is coming from the headlights of an incoming car.

[rjroy3]

Let's ban the Bloods, Crips, MS-13 and any dangerous group while we're at it. As oooof now *claps hands* Done. Lol that will do absolutely nothing.

No they shouldn't be banned (that's ignoring the fact that practically speaking you can't). Just label them a gang, violent hate group, or terrorist group. Whichever is worse. They practice organized group violence more akin to terrorist than they do gang. So I would tend to lean that direction. Plus it goes against their narrative, that just might get people who are considering joining to rethink it. Some of the people in that group legitimately sees themselves as Patriotic heroes. They're fighting the fascists. But if they're labeled a terrorist group that by definition is against the country. That will make it more difficult down the road for them.

[Chaz269]

There is very little justification for violence, especially where political demonstrations are concerned, in my opinion. But, I actually think this is pretty funny. Conservatives have been quite happy to watch cops and national guardsmen kick the shit out of hippies during completely peaceful protests over the past 60 years. Not once did a single rightie express any concerns about the unnecessary use of violence against people who merely hold a different point of view. Now that lefties have people who are ready, willing and able to fight, the conservatives are all up in arms. NOW the violence must stop huh?
Haha! Live by the sword, die by the sword.

[Lexicore]

*Fascists and racists.

It's not a hate group to oppose people literally calling for a white Ethnostate.

"their vision of an Authoritarian State" lol yeah because Anarchists and Anarcho-communists want an Authoritarian State lololol. Because workers owning their labor is authoritarian lololol.

[WhitePanther88]

Antifa aren't opposing facists or racists, they are opposing everyday people because anyone who disagrees anddoesnt support them is a facist
Sorry but they pitched that "workers owning their own labor" 100 years ago and it ended up with workers owning nothing in an authoritarian state.

[Lexicore]

Fascists and racists ARE everyday people before they get into power. Hitler was a veteran who couldn't get into art school, who blamed minorities for the struggles of the German people.

And that's just false, there have been more attempts at Communism than just the Marxist-Leninist version, almost all of them ended with Capitalist and/or Imperialist nations violently suppressing them.(like funding the Contrast against the Sandinistas, supporting the genocide of a million communists in the Philippines, the CIA and MI6 taking out the democratically elected Shah in Iran to put his son in power for support, etc...) And Marxist-Leninist theory was never about worker ownership of the means of production, it was always about the State control. Even in Capitalist economies there are businesses that are owned and operated by the workers through a democratic process.

[WhitePanther88]

Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (1922–1991)
Mongolia Mongolian People's Republic (1924–1992)
Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (1943–1992)
Bulgaria People's Republic of Bulgaria (1946–1990)
Albania People's Socialist Republic of Albania (1946–1992)
Poland Polish People's Republic (1947–1989)
Romania Socialist Republic of Romania (1947–1989)
Czechoslovakia Czechoslovak Socialist Republic (1948–1990)
Hungary Hungarian People's Republic (1949–1989)
East Germany German Democratic Republic (1949–1990)
People's Democratic Republic of Yemen People's Democratic Republic of Yemen (1967–1990)
Somalia Somali Democratic Republic (1969–1991)
Republic of the Congo People's Republic of the Congo (1969–1992)
Ethiopia Provisional Military Government of Socialist Ethiopia (1974–1987)
Mozambique People's Republic of Mozambique (1975–1990)
Benin People's Republic of Benin (1975–1990)
Angola People's Republic of Angola (1975–1992)

[WhitePanther88]

Democratic Republic of Madagascar (1975–1992)
Afghanistan Democratic Republic of Afghanistan (1978–1992)
Grenada People's Revolutionary Government of Grenada (1979–1983)
Cambodia People's Republic of Kampuchea (1979–1989)
Ethiopia People's Democratic Republic of Ethiopia (1987–1991)
All tried communism and all failed, all overthrown by the people tired of suffering under the authoritarianism of communism.
Stalin was the son of a shoe maker who was studying to become a priest, he latter becamevon of the worst tyrants in history killing 20 million of his own people and at least 1 million Ukrainians because his body was scared from small pox, his arm was disabled and he had a webbed left foot.

[WhitePanther88]

Stalin was a killer. He was also an intellectual, an administrator, a statesman and a party leader; he was a writer, editor, and statesman. Privately he was, in his own way, a dedicated as well as bad-tempered husband and father. But he was unhealthy in mind and body. He had many talents, and used his intelligence to act out the roles he thought suited to his interests at any given time. He baffled, appalled, enraged, attracted and entranced his contemporaries. Most men and women of his lifetime, however, underestimated Stalin.
— Robert Service

[Anon-ymous1]

There's no such thing as "banning a hate group." Hate groups are allowed to exist per protections of free speech and the freedom to assemble guaranteed by the First Amendment and interpreted by the Supreme Court. The Klan exists, and many other hate groups exist, and even if Antifa is one of them, no-- there's no "banning" them, whatever that means. That's not a commentary on whether or not that's the way things *should* be, but it's the way they are.

[Charlotte_May]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEOP_UfnTh0

[WhitePanther88]

Love it lol

[Charlotte_May]

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[InTimoreDei]

Hahahahahah, amazing!

[Benedek38]

No. If the KKK can operate, so can Antifa.
No need to ban people's freedom of expression.

However, keeping them under surveillance is crucial. They are dangerous, and they have gone on far too long unchecked. I believe they should be allowed to operate, but the police should be a LOT more heavy handed with them.

[SarahsSummer]

Any groups who rely on hate, violence and racism should be banned. Short of that, free speech shall reign.

[markscott]

SarahSummer: Then you must be wanting to ban Trump and his supporters. Good for you. Trump deals daily with hate, racism and has incited violence.

[WhitePanther88]

@markscott You could argue the same about the Obama regime

[markscott]

WhitePanther: "You could argue the same about the Obama regime" In your dreams. No president, perhaps in our history, has spread lies and hate like Trump has. And perhaps no president has had so many of his men leave office, or so many cronies getting indicted and pleading guilty, in such a short time, as Trump has. And I know of no president where his personal attorney was pleaded guilty on many felonies, and his former campaign manager be found guilty on eight felonies. Trump's motto was: "Drain the swamp" All Trump has done, is bring a rats nest in. And he bragged about getting the best people to work for him. I think Trump misspoke, and meant he could get the best felons working for him.

[WhitePanther88]

@markscott Did Obama close Guantanamo? No he instead choose to assassinate with drones suspected terrorists rather than arrest them.
Obama is the first President to execute us citizens without trial.
Obama give tens of thousands of guns to Mexican drug cartels.
Obama armed ISIS.
In Obama's post racial soceity racial tension grew.
Obama allowed black nationalists to intimidate voters.
Obama had Hillary Clinton as Secetary of state, a woman who with her husband have a shady criminal past of over 30 years. Buff said.

[markscott]

White Panther: I see you swallow Fox and the right wing agenda whole. I know better than to argue with a Trump cult member.

[WhitePanther88]

@markscott all of that is true

[Rissyanne]

Yes mark Scott it is true. You just don’t want to admit it.

[Rissyanne]

@markscott people like you will get Trump elected again

[Alpha_Soup]

Shouldn’t be banned because that would be against free speech as well but if they break the law or try to silence other people by force they should get arrested/punished.

[sawno]

As much as i despise antifa, no they should not be banned as a hate group since hate crime is very vague and shouldn't be used as a basis. What needs to be done is proper law enforcement of those of Antifa who commit crimes and instigate vilence that will thin the group out to a more moderate protest group.

[AlphaMaleTruth]

Absolutely. These anti first amendment hypocrites need to be in prison or sent to Venezuela. Crazy how stupid they are, literally doing everything fascists and nazis do but they are pointing the finger. Nazis take your rights like guns, and silence free speech while trying to implement socialism. They are treasonous devils.

[Curmudgeon]

I wouldn't ban them, but I would have them monitored a la COINTELPRO, or called up before Committees like the late Tailgunner Joe McCarthy did. They are the New Communists.

[Soteris]

Antifa is not a group in that capacity. Its a collective name for a large number of smaller groups which would need to be judged on their own which obviously you have not done.

[WhitePanther88]

They are a conglomeration of different groups that have joined together to act as one so when you see Antifa amassed in the street interfering with people's human rights all groups as members condone those actions and have all previously agreed to them.

[Soteris]

That is not at all how it works, especially if you want to slap "terrorist group" on them.

[WhitePanther88]

Hate group. Terror group is when they start blowing up shit or shooting people like the Weather Underground.

[Soteris]

can't say I am paying you that much attention. My argument still applies though regardless if its hate group or terrorist group.

[WhitePanther88]

Hate group is a hate group no matter the politics.

[Soteris]

Yeah, so what? You kind of need a group to apply it to regardless and what is where you fail to account for the fact that antifa is not a cohesive group.

[WhitePanther88]

It is a group. It's a group made out of other groups.

[Soteris]

True, but that also means that it is harder to define it since all those groups have different circumstances and ideals.

[RetroAlpha]

Nope. You can't ban them, because then you'd have to start banning every stupid asshole group that has terrible shit to say. Including you. Including me.

And then where would be?

[AlphaMaleTruth]

Well you’d be right if antifa only spoke but the are terrorists who use violence and hate rights

[pitzi]

Antifa is a bunch of idiots and they should be banned for having such large amount of stupidity, seriously it's quite dangerous to be that stupid

[Anonymous]

it's a tough call. If they're simply a hate group, they still have the right to exist but their members should not get a free pass on violence. They need to be thrown in jail for some of the crap they do. However, they are borderline domestic terrorists in my views. And if that's the case, they should be stopped.

[goolashh]

antifa are a criminal organisation, not just a hate group

hate groups dont commit targeted attacks on people they disagree with

gangs do that

[FriendlyDrugDealer]

If that’s the case then kkk and neo nazi type of affiliates groups should be too.

I’m all for any kind of hate /hostile group being banned including the antifa.

[beefyburrito32]

Antifa isn't a hate group, it's a domestic terrorist group. Using violence to try to persuade or stop speech is terrorism by definition. "the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims."

[Anonymous]

I think we have gotten to the point where most adults can't comprehend things we were supposed to learn at adolescence. If you don't like what someone says or not you still have no right to physically attack the person.

[Anonymous]

Nah, Antifa is against: fascists, nazis, militarists and other racists & nationalists & religious fanatics - hating haters is not a crime.

[Opinion Owner]

@AllThatSweetJazz That's true.

[Opinion Owner]

@WhitePanther88 Not true, I know a guy who is from Antifa, they are only against haters, I guess those include imperialists like you... that's why you don't like them.

[Opinion Owner]

@AllThatSweetJazz I know, Antifa are just like a anti-fan group, not an organisation.

[Opinion Owner]

Nope, my friend never said that, and the American flag usually symbolizes imperialism from the Antifa point of view (we all know that USA harboured lots of nazis and fascists after the WW2, and even later, they were supporting various imperialistic dictators like Augusto Pinochet).
Most of the world dislikes you for a very good reason dude.

[Opinion Owner]

@AllThatSweetJazz Again, not true, Antifa dislikes only imperialists, fascists and nazis, all of them are still a problem in the world, spreading racism, nationalism, religious fanaticism and ethnic extremism. People who dislike Antifa are haters specified above.

[Opinion Owner]

1. Germany and Austria were occupied by the allies after ww2.
2. Spain after ww2 was ruled by a fascist dictator Francisco Franco (that' why you supported him).
3. The US had no part in ending imperialist empires like the Japanese empire (Japan remained an empire), French empire (Russians and British defeated Napoleon's army), British empire (you just managed to free yourself from the British because France was helping you, and Russians refused to help the British), and you had nothing to do with Belgian empire and Dutch empire. Italiy was not an empire since the Roman empire, and Germany in ww1 was defeated by all the allies, not just you.
4. I live in ex socialist country, the only people greatful here are political thieves and criminals, pedophile priests & their brainwashed sheeps, as well as fascists who caused war on the Balkans.
Normal people are not "grateful" because you ruined our lives, our economy is falling apart thanks to the western imperialism, socialism was the best.

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Also Antifa members are not a big fan of Stalin, because he was using fascist methods, he never followed the ideals of communism. You can't compare him to Lenin, because Lenin freed the people from the oppression of Tsar and his feudals.
As I said, you imperialists always supported fascist dictators like Franco and Pinochet, because of your pathetic fear of "communism" (capitalist always fears equality).

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False propaganda of the west... divide and conquer, that's how you caused war on the Balkans.
Not true, Antifa never approves any kind of ethnic nationalism, they support only political struggle of enslaved nations who were oppressed by the colonial imperialists.
Antifa members are atheists, they don't support any religion.

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1. Naturally, by losing the ww2, Germany & Austria couldn't have harboured nazis because they were occupied.
2. And you suppoorted that dictator. The only reason why you didn't take sides in Spanish war is because you weren't such a great force before you stole the German nazi technology.
3. That doesn't change the fact - Japan is still rulled by an Emperor. Bu you would never defeat Japan without the stolen Hitler's A-bomb project (you can thank runaway German Jewish scientists for that).
4. Poland is one of the rare exceptions, because they were oppressed by the Russians, USSR had no right to do that, but they weren't communists since Lenin died, Stalin hijacked the system and ruined it... just like femi-nazis are ruining feminism.
Democracy is the worst possible system - two stupid people always outvote one smart person (stupid people usually have much higher ratio than just 2:1).

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Dude, your country is known for people who have no idea about history, geography or anything else but profit, that's the main ideal of your imperialist politics.
LOL, Roman empire was named after the capital of Italy for a very good reason, because Latins were the ancesstors of present-day Italians (of course, they were mixing with other Italic tribes). Spain, Gaul Briton or Egypt - were occupied by the Roman empire, Latins were not indigenous inhabitants of those lands.
The US was just trying to outvit other imperialists (British and French), because you wanted to be as powerful as they were, long before you even existed.

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1 Nazi prision guards, SS and Nazi judges were all in prisons, in Austria and Germany, they were not important for you, cause you wanted only the scientists.
2. German tech was far superior than yours, not just the rockets but also tanks and airplanes.
4. Stalin had nothing to do with communism, he started Stalinism. Communism is a claseless, stateless and moneyless society. USSR was nothing like that.
5. Nope, Rome was founded by Romulus and Remus , they were not Greek, they were either Latin, or maybe Trojans.
Yep, I already said that Latins have mixed with other Italic tribes, including Etrustcans and the others in your map.
6. Oh yes you did, but not before you were ready in a military sense, you were still afraid because back then, you had no technology, which you acquired after the ww2.
Without the nazi tech, and foreign (European) scientists e. g N. Tesla, A. Einstein, I. Zworykin, E. Fermi, I. Sikorsky, Von Braun etc - you were just Yankee Doodles & Hillbillies & Rednecks.

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1. Controversies are usually fake.
2. LOL, Germans had Messerschmitt Me 264 strategic bomber, better than any of yours or British. Their rockets could have saved them if thy weren't fighting in two fronts, they were attacked from both west and the east.
Almost every country was still using horses to draw their artillery in ww2.
The tiger and panther tanks were still better than your tanks, only Russians had better armored vehicles.
3. There were no "communist countries", communism is a stateless society. Those countries were actually socialist countries.
4. At that time, they were all Romans because the empire was founded by people from Rome, who were Latins. Italy is a country on the Apennine peninsula, it was named after the Italic tribes, as we know, Roman empire was the predecessor of Italy. Romulus and Remus were just humans, not gods. The Trojans were not Greeks, they were either Luwians, or Hittites, or Palaic.

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5. Nope, all you had was stolen tech from the nazi Germany, thanks to the German Jews, without them, you wouldn't have A-bomb
Most of the German u-boats were actually detected by the British, not you. underwater.
Also, you used military codes in Navajo language, to prevent the Germans and Japanese to crack your messages. Apparently, some of the Navajo were stupid enough to help you, because you commited genocide against Native Americans.
6. Yeah, you have the largest navy because you have money by imperialism, you're like the Ferengi from Star Trek, money is all you got.
Every army had to arm every of their infantry man with a semi auto rifle.
Most of the German cities were flattened by the British royal airforce.

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7. Nah, my country was one of the rare socialist countries which were not in the Warsaw pact, unfortunately.

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@AllThatSweetJazz No, Antifa would never burn down cars or trash shops of people who are not nazis, fascists and other haters.
Liberals support perverted things, they are definitely not left.
Yeah, that's what nationalism means - national and/or ethnic supremacy.
Because Antifa knows that Islamic terrorism was created by the western imperialism, you trained and armed the talibans and the mujahideen, hoping that they would attack only USSR, but they betrayed you after the disintegration of socialism, so it was all your fault.
Antifa was always against the racism in South Africa, they supported Nelson Mandela.

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@AllThatSweetJazz They never burn random cars and shops. I agree, but it's not my duty to defend them, I'm just stating my opinion. Good, we have something incommon.
So what, so does the USA government ;)
Well, right wing people usually are either nationalists, imperialists, racists and religious fanatics, or fascists, militarists, and neo-nazis (exceptions are very rare).
The other meaning for nationalism? I don't think so, if you mean patriotism, that's not the same thing. Patriots are people who love their nation, while nationalists are people who hate people who are not members of their nation, or people who think that their nation is superior to others.
It is the truth, you created Talibans, they were your allies during the Sovier intervention in Afghanistan. Aslo, Saddam Hussein was your ally during the conflict between Iraq and Iran.
Have you ever heard of revenge? Those white farmers were descendants of colonists who were enslaving the black people of Africa.

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1. I don't think it was real, or at least not completely, some of the people who were judges during the nazi rule were amnestied because they were not nazis themselves, not in practice... they were just working for them because they had no other choice.
2. German aircraft technology was superior to yours, first of the jet planes were invented by Germans, you're just a copy cats. Most of the victories vs German aircrafts were achieved by the British royal fleet, not by your.
3. Because the dictator obviously didn't care about the ideals of communism.
4. Dude, I know history better than you do, and I'm not talking about Italy as a political entity. The Roman city state was founded by the Latins, who were predesessors of Italians, Rome was their capital, therefore, Roman empire was the predecessor of Italy. Gaul, Greece, Egypt and Spain were aconquered by the Romans, they were not indigenous population in those countries. Latin is an official language in Vatican state, which is in Rome.

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5. Trojans were not Greek, they fought the Greek, remember Iliad? According to Homer (not Simpson) Trojans are depicted as speaking various languages and thus needing to have orders translated to them by their commanders (those various languages are obviously Luwian, Palaic and Hittite).
6. I told you already, you stole it before the end of the WW2, thanks to the Jews, you had no tech, only money, just like typical imperialists. All of your tech was invented by foreign scientist, you just bought them. Navajos betrayed the Native Americans, and my country was not allied but occupied.
7. Nope, you were and still are imperialists, all the world knows that as a fact. FYI - semi-automatic rifle was invented by the Austrians, not you, I suppose you Americans always have to brag with your self-righteous fantasies and imaginary achievements... that's why you are so "popular" in most of the world 😂
Antifa is abbreviation for anti-fascism, they are grandchildren of people who fought the nazis.

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1. LOL, the Taliban existed as Mujahideen during the Soviet intervention. you supported them because it suited your imperialist goals (your pathetic fear of "communism") - yeah, you didn't trash Islam back then, because they were on your Ferengi side, you are so pathetic.
Most enslavement of black people was done by Europeans who founded your country, most of them were criminals who were running away from the law in their own countries.
2. . No, to be a Nazi, you must follow the ideals of Nazism, not just join the party, lots of people joined Communist party, but they didn't follow the ideals of Communism (e. g Stalin).
3. Dude, you copied jet airplanes, but the Germans invented theml, not you, nor the British.
4. Hahaha, you have no clue about history, just like any other redneck... Byzantine empire was conquered by the Turks, but western Roman empire has fallen much earlier, and Latin language is predecessor of Italian, learn some facts ;)

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1. Pakistan is your imperialistic ally, and Mujahideed also joined the Taliban, you can't elude the truth.
2. LOOOL, right, they "prospered"... haha, very funny. "Very few slaves were taken to the US" - Sure, that's why you had civil war involving slave trade and racism of the Southerners. Yeah right, blame it on the Ottoman empire... just like any other Yankee.
3.. Nope, to be a nazi you have to follow their ideals, otherwise, you're just fake.
4. Yeah, but you're no Britain.
5. LOL again, learn some history boy, Rome has fallen under the Germans in 476 A. D. Latin is the predecessor of Romance languages only - not English (which is Germanic) - Anglo-Saxons only borrowed certain amount of words from Latin, just like most of the Europeans did. However, Latin and Italian are the most similar, for a very good reason ;)
By the way, enslaving Africans is not employing them, your imperialistic attempt to relativize history is in vain ;)

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@AllThatSweetJazz And who said that the trashing is "random"?
There is nothing to object, injustice must be stopped by all means possible.
The US government is self-righteous and they thinks that everyone who isn't aligned with them is against them.
Firstly, yes they are, cause I know lots of them. Center and right are not the same.
The only thing irrelevant here are your comments, cause I wasn't asking your opinion, asker did, personally, I don't care what you think, I said what I think, and I'm not going to change my opinion.
The concept of nation states was created by the nationalists, yep, they are supremacists (it's useless trying to hide that fact).
Yup, international revolution is the only way to free the world of imperialism.
Oh really? Even the Bible said: "An eye for an eye" ;)
Sure, it doesn't matter what's happened to my country in the eyes of the imperialists - This is exactly the kind of deplorable attitude that USA is hated for.

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@AllThatSweetJazz Unless they are in the area known to be inhabited by fascists, nazis or any other people they don't like. Sometimes that's the only way, for some people it's right, for other people it's wrong.
Dissenters are usully people who cause chaos in some country because they are payed to do so by the western imperialists (I know such examples from my country) - they should get what they deserve, they are sell-outs aka traitors.
Well, try to ban them if you think you can ;)
Everyone is good to their allies, you are being absurd.
Yes, and it also offers people to block those who are annyoing and keep spamming on other people's opinions :D
I don't care what you think"
People won't change their opinion - if they like Antifa, they will continue likeing it, if they don't like it, they will keep on hating it (like you do).
Only nationalists are for national borders, as for the globalists, they are different kind of political fraction.

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Nations are not supremacists, but nationalists are.
Nope, it's justified, there will be no peace on Earth until imperialism is stopped for good, you can think whatever you won't, as I said, I don't care, your Ferengi empire will be overthrown someday ;)
Oh you're not Christian? Well, this one is from the Old Testament, which is also acknowledged by the Jews. Ah, don't tell me, you're an atheist?
It's about vengance, no doubt about it... and you said you're no Christian, so you don't know :P
Gandhi? Since when are imperialists quoting Hindus?
Hmm, oh right, "The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose".

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Ignorant people don't give a fuck, imperialists want to destroy smaller countries.
I do care about that problem, but I don't have political, economical or military power to change things for the better.
You're welcome.
The public here doesn't care for long and useless debates which won't change anything, that's my personal experience, and I've been here for 8 years.
I thought you're against liberals too, but nevermind, that was just the asker, thanks for your "good wishes", bye :)

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@AllThatSweetJazz Yeah, they are gross, I'm glad you like my exemplification of them.
Naturally, you have your stance and I have mine.
Good, so am I.
LOL, that's just their god, as I said, I'm not religious either, but most people who share your opinion are.
Actually, I like Gandhi, but I think his methods were too passive.
Haha, I know, but that was sarcasm, not irony ;)
Oh well, I don't support any kind of liberals, especially not the so called "progressives" (they are typical globalists).

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@AllThatSweetJazz Good, I like that. I know that about the liberals, and I agree. I'm not anarcho, I think strong government is necessary, because lack of leadership leads to chaos.

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@AllThatSweetJazz Yes, I agree with you when it comes to Antifa being banned, and who do you think that I would like to ban?
I don't like the "new world order" (created by imperialists, globalists and neo-liberal capitalists).
Of course I don't like disorder, and I'm not exactly a communist (in the western sense), I have my own philosophy (but it has some similarities with utopian communism).

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@AllThatSweetJazz No, I said I don't like globalists.

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@AllThatSweetJazz Like utopian communism, that's perfect society.

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@AllThatSweetJazz No state, no money, no social classes, united planet, but not globalism (which is imperialistic).

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@AllThatSweetJazz It may start as a global state but not in the sense of globalism (imperialism), but as a planetary commune, without borders.
There would be laws and militia, so it wouldn't be some chaotic anarchy.
Diversity of thought should be regulated by the educational system.
The resources would be distributed to each according to their needs, you know that.
As I said, there would be no classes, people would be equal.

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@AllThatSweetJazz In my opinion, there should be a group of leaders, not just one, like some sort of council.
Educational system should prevent the development of dissenting thought, by teaching children what is right and what is wrong (basic ethics and moral).
Militia would take care of any ideological challengers who would try to cause chaos and discord.
Most of the property would be social (collective or common ownership), also known as public property... but every family would have their own, private property for living.
The industry would use those resoruces, based on their necessities.
Every human chooses a job according to their abilities and affinities. Nobody should be forced to work on a job that doesn't suit their capabilities and tendencies.
It would be like in Star Trek, nobody is compeling them to do risky tasks, like fighting various aliens, or some creatures from another dimensions, they picked the jobs, it was their decision.

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@AllThatSweetJazz Something like that - the best possible way, because democracy never works, it's a system benificial only for criminals who manipulate & exploit masses of dumb voters.

Such education brings order into chaos, I know it sounds"creepy" for an imperialist, because so called "freedom of thought" is just an illusion, skillfully used for deceiving
gullIble people.
Whoever yes, but not because they challenged the status quo, but because they are trying to disturb the order.
Your system is catactrophically flawed, criminals and terrorists have more rights - in order to cause more trouble. In former USSR, criminals were shitting their pants whenever the Soviet militia caught them.
System where criminals are not afraid of the government is a system ruled by mobsters.
What is a greater good in your opinion?

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Thought crime, lol, they don't have mind-reading machines yet :P
Sure, if you mean like producing pickles, marmalade, juice and stuff like that, they can keep it or share it, whatever they like.
It's according to their needs, of course, ocasionally they would get some rare delicasies, menus should vary from time to time, nobody likes monotony (even in military canteens you have a choice).
Yes, they are allowed to work more or less, I said it's according to their capabilities and afinities.
People who specialize in fishing, logging and mining will be the judge of that, not me and you, we are currently not qualified to make the assessment.

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Sometimes, fiction becomes reality in the future, remember Jules Verne?
Submarines, airplanes, spaceships - they were all fiction once, before they became real.
Reward that can kill you, assimilate you, infect you, possess your body, or eat you?
Well, they are gathering resources in the space too.
Of course it's an advanced world, there will be no real communism until humanity evolves to that level, I'm just being realistic, that's what utopia looks like.

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@AllThatSweetJazz Am I a president? No, at least not yet :P
So why the unecessary statistics? If and when I become a president, I will deal with the problem of risky and hard jobs.
There are always lots of people who like fishing, or working with lumber, or on the roofs. My uncle goes fishing with his friends all the time, my grandfather used to work with lumber, and he loved his job, and a friend of my brother enjoys working on the roofs, because he likes heights for some reason... basically, every job has willing candidates, jobs disliked by you and I, may be loved by someone else.
Oh I'm making an argument about technology, it's obviously crucial for development of perfect society.
Fictional or not, you can compare them with real-life explorers, here on Earth, from the past - Marco Polo, Christopher Columbus, Ferdinand Magellan, Vasco da Gama, Abel Tasman, James Cook, Vitus Bering and many others.

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As for the Antifa, yes, they are hasty and impatient, Communism can be achieved only when technology reaches the necessary level.
I see, you are working on development of fusion power-plant? Very interesting, who inspired you?
What do you think about Tesla's idea of free and wireless energy for everyone on the planet?
No, not aristocracy, community of equals with a council of leaders, who would be smart, and capable of directing the society, and electing their successors.
People still haven't evolved enough to realize some things, that's why education must be used to teach them, you may call it "oppression", but it's actually progression.
Lots of people lack self-discipline, they are prone to corruption, or are easily manipulated & influenced by bad individuals who want to cause chaos (aka "challenging the status quo").

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Utopia is not terror, utopia is not achieved yet, otherwise, there would be no more criminals (don't try to relativize them, I know them better than you do, cause my country used to be socialist, before western imperialists ruined everything, by using our traitors & your colaborators).
Without criminals, there would be no reason to fear, only criminals fear perfection (because you can't be a criminal in perfect society).
Good VS Evil, what about Neutral? Those terms are all variable in different societies.
Well, that doesn't sound fair, I think mind reading machines are necessary :)
Sure, friends, relatives, neighbors, they can all trade whatever they like, I'm not against that.
People would harvest delicacies.
You would be able find what you want on the menu, humanity will evolve in the future, beyond being too picky or snobbish.
They work according to their abilities and affinities, for the common good, smart people would see the benefits for everybody, they wouldn't be selfish.

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@AllThatSweetJazz I'm not running for president yet ;)
Well, in moneyless society, there is no payment, everything is free (sufficient for the needs of each family or individual) - how would you incentivize them?
Fishing can always be dangerous and unpredictable, but that depends on the location. My granddad was trying to meet people's needs when he was younger, it was his job, and he loved it.
Of course, nobody loves every job, that's why I said according to each person't abilities and tendencies.
For an average imperialists, a benefactor is always called "tyrant" (because it prevents corruption, nepotism and various criminal activities - so much loved among the westerners).
Not really, renewable energy like sunlight, wind, rain, tides, waves, and geothermal heat - can always be free. Only non-renewable energy sources like coal, petroleum, natural gas etc are not free - but we won't be using them in the future.

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Tesla had ideal vision of wireless and free energy, but it wasn't supported by the fat capitalists, because the ony think they think about is profit.
Not if the education system is functioning properly :)
The norm is set because it is correct, and confirmed by people who are qualified for it - If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
People who are trying to cause great unrest must be re-eudcated because they bring chaos - they are not doing it for good reason, they are doing it for selfish and egotistical reasons.
Self-discipline can be learned, that's why educational system is for, but I'm talking about future, when humanity will became more evolved - corruption will extinct.

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What happens to a house if the bricks don't fit in the mold?
The house collapses - that's what I'm talking about, only a selfish idiot and a jerk would cause chaos, trying to disrupt society, and play "rebel", usually out of egotistical and criminal reasons. Such people must be punished for attempt of destroying peace and harmony.
Well, Mongols had no problem in authoritarian control, and they had the largest empire in history... if force must be used for the greater good (as you said), then it should be, for the good of the united planet - selfish ideas of the individual rulers must be suppressed, those who are unreasonable will be dealt with by all means possible... and I repeat, it's for the unification of humanity - a noble goal, not for profit (that's what bothers the imperialists, it's not about the "freedom", that's just a phrase used for manipulating masses of dumb voters).

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People who want different things are fascists, imperialists, nazis, criminals, religious fanatics, racists and other extremes - yes, they have reason to fear - because they are disruptive factor is society... that's what they always were, and there won't be peace on Earth until they are stopped permanently.
No, making mistakes is not a reason to fear, I'm not a Stalinist, humans are not perfect, and definitely not unmistakable.
Communism is not an empire, it's a collective... now I see even more imperialistic thoughts in you (the poisonous ideas of R. Reagan & M. Thatcher - both of them were no better than Hitler or Stalin).
My ideals are for the good of the humanity, not for the interests of fat imperialist individuals.
They can't sell resources, I already told you, real communism is moneyless society, it's not like socialism in former USSR.
It's not "my perfection", it's perfection for everybody, people in the future won't be as selfish as you are.

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Nope, smart people are not selfish people, they realize the benefits of society and collective. Why do you think that some SF species, like the Borg, the Cyberman are so perfect? Because they are a collective, not stupid and selfish individuals.
Of course - I don't think that humans should have a hive mind, I just think that proper education can teach humans self-discipline and morality, in order to work together, for the benefit of the entire species - only selfish egotist consider this as a "bad thing".

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@WhitePanther88 No, Communism was never tried, only Socialism was, because Communism was never achieved.
The corrupt famine ridden state were created by you, because you caused ethnic and religious conflicts in ex socialist countries, using your collaborators (our traitors) to collapse the system from within.
Only China was smart enough to prevent traitors, thanks to efficient police, and no mercy for traitors (included corrupted politicians).
Their Market Socialism is currently the most efficient society, along with Scandinavian model of Socialism. That's the society I'm hoping for to start building the roots of Utopia.

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@WhitePanther88 - Hello - I know that The Borg and the Cyberman are science fiction, that's what I said, they were just an examples of societies close to perfection. The Socialism failed, Communism was never achieved, and those people who used political influence to elevate themselves above the other worker drones - were not smart, especially not Stalin, he was an evil and insensitive person, you can't compare him to Lenin.
My parents lived lived through socialism (not communism), and they lived better than we live now.
Only fascists and other criminals were running away, welcomed by the imperialists.
And don't talk about the "concrete boxes", we never had tramps and beggars on streets, unlike you, your war veterans live in cardboard boxes, in park benches, or in the sewer - thanks to the social insensitivity of your imperialistic society.

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Socialism was tried as a path to Communism, though, it was never achieved, but It's not unachievable, humans just need to evolve more, as you said - human nature.
Humans need to learn to live as a community, not as selfish and corrupted individuals, it may not be possible now, but it will be possible in the future.
USA has the largest poverty gap, your propaganda against China won't work, because their politicians are not as dumb as the Soviet Stalinists, that's why China is prosperous, while USSR crumbled.

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Lol, really? Were your grandparents nazis, fascists, or just plain criminals? They couldn't have "escaped communism" because it was never achieved, they could have escaped only socialism... so that makes them liars too.
Ah you went to China, yeah right... dude - Tramps in the USA are shitting in subway stations.

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It's kinda unusual for someone of alleged Russian origin to have such a racist username, typical for USA southerners.
Okay so why did the "communist party" denounced them, what did they do?
Yes, I know what it smells like, and tramps in America know it too.
When did you visit China and for what purpose?

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Yeah right, nobody gets denounced for no reason, and there was no "starvation", my parents and grandparents lived in socialism and they all said it was much better for them, compared to capitalism and "democracy" (the worst possible system, made for criminals).
Yeah sure, ask tramps in New York sewers what it feels like living in the turd pipes under the city.

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@WhitePanther88 You are confusing Communism with Stalinism again.

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@AllThatSweetJazz Near-perfect society is not perfect, of course, though, it's closer to perfection, but I clearly said I don't like the idea of hive mind.

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No it's not, because Communism is a classless, stateless and moneyless society - Stalinism is not. Nobody actually tried communism, they tried socialism (as a path to communism) - which failed because bad people turned it into a totalitarian dictatorship.

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Nope, they were trying socialism, and you can't compare Lenin to Stalin.
Communists never wiped out anybody, Stalinists did.
USSR mean - United Soviet Socialist Republics (not "communist republics") - because, as I said, and I repeat - Communism is a stateless society.
Members of the so called "communist party" were privileged - which makes them fake "communists", because Communism is a classless society.
USSR had a currency called Ruble - but Communism is a moneyless society... therefore, NO - There never was any form of communism in USSR, only socialism, later turned into Stalinism (totalitarian dictatorship later copied by Mao, and many other so called "communist dictators").

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Wrong, it had government, therefore it was not stateless... plus - it was not classless, and not moneyless, so no, it was not tried, not ever. Those were fake "communists", just like feminazis are fake "feminists".

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Bosheviks started the revolution, but at least we agree on another thing, Mensheviks were much better in my opinion.

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Bolshevik army was called the Red army, while Russian army was imperialistic, they were serving the Tsar.

[ZeussLightningBolt]

Yeah, I think so because they're being violent.
I'm just curious what would happened if someone assaulted an ANTIFA protestor

I'm gonna start an AntiAntifa group.

[Jessgem]

The KKK wasn't banned what makes this any different?

[WhitePanther88]

The federal government largely broke them up, thats why kkk membership is so low.

[AlphaMaleTruth]

Well the kkk isn’t committing terrorism nor trying to implement nazi socialism nor trying to take anyone’s rights. Antifa is also violent every where they go

[Jessgem]

Cool story, bro.

[WhitePanther88]

Not so cool when antifa are wrecking your car.

[NatashaJ]

I bet in the next few years someone will name their daughter Antifa.

[SuccessfulHornDog]

I named my girl friends dog antifa just so I could enjoy kicking it everyday

[NatashaJ]

@SuccessfulHornDog Keep bragging about it because someone going to call animal services on your garbage ass same with your girlfriend since she still with you after kicking her dog. Douches both of you.

[SuccessfulHornDog]

You're not familiar with sarcasm, are you. Please call the police

[NatashaJ]

@SuccessfulHornDog Most animal lovers AKA me don't find it funny when someone tries to joke about kicking a dog idiot.

[AlphaMaleTruth]

You’re probably right some lesbian dyke trans satanist Nazi socialist couple probably will.

[NatashaJ]

@AlphaMaleTruth just fuck off with your shit it's not even fuck take a comedy lesson people who are funny when your not your just a douchebag.

[SuccessfulHornDog]

Natasha, you are way too affected by this. You are coming across as someone who needs mental health help

[NatashaJ]

@SuccessfulHornDog oh shut up he keeps going with it trying to make someone who doesn't want to laugh laugh and it was still a sick joke. No one ask him about dogs so no reason to random speak to people you don't know like that.

[SuccessfulHornDog]

No, you shut up

[NatashaJ]

@SuccessfulHornDog Your on my comment so lol I love how you telling people to shut up on their comments when no one wanted to talk to your ass.

[SuccessfulHornDog]

I'll bet that you'll be the one to name her daughter antics.

[SuccessfulHornDog]

Antifa

[Anonymous]

From what I could tell, Antifa uses some of the same tactics that Trump supporters, and Trump himself have used. And they use some of the same tactics that Neo Nazi and white supremacists groups use, that Trump has indirectly supported.

[WhitePanther88]

I dont see neo Nazis blocking streets, in fact I dont see neo Nazis anywhere. Where are all these Nazis antifa are always protesting against.

[Opinion Owner]

WhitePanther88: if you don't watch the news, then I guess you don't know. White Supremacists and Neo-Nazi groups have been marching in various part of the country. (Not every day) And since they killed the girl and crippled the guy in Charlottesville, they have tried to be a little more low key, because counter demonstrators have networked, are more active.

[WhitePanther88]

Again tiny tiny tiny groups of people, you could go your whole life without ever seeing a neo Nazi or KKK member whereas driving down the highway or going to a political convention or attending college you will certainly meet antifa.
Charlottesville was one riot but all over the country Antifa is assaulting people, even a Bernie Sanders supporter got the crap beatbout of him in Portland for carrying a us flag which antifa say is a Nazi symbol. It was last year that an antifa thug bashed 7 people on the head with a bike lock. What does Antifa do when it can't find facists, neo Nazis or KKK members it brands everyone as racist, KKK and Nazis. How long until masked antifa members attack peoples homes for displaying the stars and stripes or attackimg people attending churches, mosques or synagogues?

[Opinion Owner]

WhitePanter**: Have you not hear of Charlottesville, where white supremacists and Nazis marched, chanting Nazi and anti Jew slogans, and then ran over people with a car, and killed one person? Well, perhaps not. You may only listen to right wing news, that is, news that only makes the right wingers and Trump look good. Like Fox.

[WhitePanther88]

So what. It's not uncommon to witness antisemitism among liberals espicially in their marches unless you are ignoring that. Liberals now claim Judaism is white supremacy. Of course you must be forgetting that a Bernie Sanders supporter shot up a baseball stadium last year.

[MrMilti]

Even nazis have the right to be nazis. It is called freedom. So let them be whatever they want, just watch on what they do and punish them for their individual actions.

[SarahVanRensburg]

Don’t know why but I read “South Africa” instead of “should Antifa”...

[Guanfei]

Antifas, by their actions, aren't just a hate group anymore. They're a terrorist group, using any mean necessary to force their views. Mostly violent means.

[RockStarBob]

Antifa is short for anti-fascism. Thus, the movement is AGAINST authoritarianism at its core. However, I make no apologies for the ways that some people have hijacked the movement now.

[WhitePanther88]

You realise there are other forms of authoritarian government that are not right wing ie communism.

[RockStarBob]

No sir. Communism is not, by its very definition, authoritarian. You're confusing Soviet socialist "communism" or Maoist regime socialism (neither actually communist not socialist in actuality) with Marxist communism.
Have you ever visited an actual commune?

[WhitePanther88]

Are communes communist? I thought they were anarchist or green party.
Communism was tried many many many times and failed everytime. There are many different forms of socialism and Soviet and Maoist are both forms of socialism, socialism is very broad.

[RockStarBob]

Communism come from the root common, and so does commune. A commune is the small scale version of what Karl Marx envisioned when he coined the term Communism. It seems to work very well on smaller scale, but when it gets to a certain size, human greed seems to overtake it.

[WhitePanther88]

There's no real blue print to Marxism only the means to achieve it through revolution.

[1truekhaleesi]

If the KKK can operate, so can them. Arrest the violent members and be done with it.

[WhitePanther88]

The KKK hasn't operated nationwide in a long time, hence the lack of burning crosses. Antifa are out on the streets right now assaulting people.

[1truekhaleesi]

Many black people were lynched and our precious government couldn't give less of a shit. Plenty of people are still killed for race related reasons. Nia Wilson for example. Its likely she was killed by the member of the KKK. They're allowed to operate so it's only fair for antifa to do the same. Stay off of Fox news my friend. Our constitution says they have the right to congregate. Also I support punching Nazis in the face. My grandpa used to kill them when he fought in WW2 for your freedom.

[WhitePanther88]

When was the last lynching? Was it yesterday? Where are the burning crosses? Is CNN telling you the KKK is back again lynching blacks, Jews, Mexicans and Catholics? No?
My great grandfathers punched Nazis, japs and commies in the face too but we can see how Antifa treats ww2 vets https://youtu.be/ZlV9C36zPAk

[1truekhaleesi]

There's been recently ones. In the words of you, "Google is your friend."

[WhitePanther88]

The last lynchings were two in the 80s. Google is your friend.

[1truekhaleesi]

www.wbls.com/.../two-black-men-lynched-murdered-hands-white-oklahoma-family

Google is your friend. Still haven't googled Nia Wilson I'm assuming?

[WhitePanther88]

Lynching is a premeditated extrajudicial killing by a group. It is most often used to characterize informal public executions by a mob in order to punish an alleged transgressor, or to intimidate a group. It is an extreme form of informal group social control such as charivari, skimmington, riding the rail, and tarring and feathering, and often conducted with the display of a public spectacle for maximum intimidation. It is to be considered an act of terrorism and punishable by law. Instances of lynchings and similar mob violence can be found in every society.
In the United States, lynchings of African Americans, typically by hanging, became frequent in the South during the period after the Reconstruction era and especially during the decades on either side of the turn of the 20th century. At the time, Southern states were passing new constitutions and laws to disenfranchise African Americans and impose legal segregation and Jim Crow rule...

[WhitePanther88]

... Most lynchings were conducted by white mobs against black victims, often suspects taken from jail before they were tried by all-white juries, or even before arrest. The political message—the promotion of white supremacy and black powerlessness—was an important element of the ritual. Lynchings were photographed and published as postcards, which were popular souvenirs in the U. S., to expand the intimidation of the acts. Victims were sometimes shot, burned alive, or otherwise tortured and mutilated in the public events. In some cases the mutilated body parts were taken as mementos by the spectators.

[WhitePanther88]

there's no evidence this was a lynching or linked to the kkk, it looks like a gun sale gone bad.

[1truekhaleesi]

No they must've been inspired by the KKK. Nia Wilson's murder is strongly linked to the KKK.

[WhitePanther88]

Inspired maybe more by MI-13 maybe. The 3 suspects appear to be hispanic or of mixed race, I mean one of the suspects is called Kevin *Don Garcia* Bottler, what KKK member has Don or Garcia in their name, the kkk hate Hispanics. In a lynching the kkk display the bodies not hide the evidence. It's more likely this was a drug deal gone wrong.
Here is a picture of suspect Kevin Don Garcia Bottler in an Antifa mask. https://goo.gl/images/aMGZZe
If that was a lynching may be this was too
www.google.co.uk/.../

[1truekhaleesi]

I didn't know you worked in law enforcement. Clearly you know more than the people investigating this murder. I couldn't give less of a shit about the damn mask.
Okay? Not sure why you brought up a random murder case but have at it.

[WhitePanther88]

You brought up an irealvent "lynching" case involving a few hispanic guys to prove your point, but failed too.
The random murder case according to you logic is a black man "lynching" white people.
People can murder each other without it being racially motivated.

[1truekhaleesi]

No I brought that up to prove it still happens. You clearly don't care though.
Oh really? I had no damn idea. It's not like, I'm the family member of someone who was murdered. Thank you for educating me. You should've explained your point more instead of posting a link with a snazzy one-liner.

[WhitePanther88]

But lynching doesn't happen, it was a shady deal gone bad with some hispanic meth heads.
I care enough to call murder what it is rather than help stir up racial tension by supposing that just because the murders were of a different race than the victim that it was racially motivated.
Some times people need to be educated, your very welcome.

[1truekhaleesi]

It was racially motivated. There's plenty of racially motivated murders. Again, Google. Wow. You really don't understand sarcasm.

[WhitePanther88]

I didn't know you worked in law enforcement. Clearly you know more than the people investigating this murder. Look it up on Google, there's no evidence to suggest it was racially motivated. It was a meeting arranged to buy a gun.

[1truekhaleesi]

That was the conclusion you came to. And now you're going back on that one murder instead of acknowledging there's plenty of racially charged murders? Dylann Roof for example.

[WhitePanther88]

Yes the Charleston church shooting is an actual case of a racially motivated crime rather than the perpetrator happening to be white and his victims black. Ironically Dylann Roof said he was inspired by the shooting of an African American teen Trayvon Martin by the mixed race Hispanic man George Zimmerman of probable Jewish descent. Both were not lynchings. https://goo.gl/images/8HBvab

[1truekhaleesi]

Dylann Roof is the scum of the Earth. He's a racist psychopath who hates black people. Any person with an IQin the double digits can see he said that to upset Trayvons parents. Not sure why you linked me to George Zimmerman. Yes, he's a shit person.

[Miristheiss]

You're an idiot. I'd punch you in the face. You spout your brain dead drivel as if you know who the "Nazis" are. You don't get to determine in your idiotic warped brain who the "Nazis" are and then assault them. I hope you end up in jail soon you scum of civilized society.

[AlphaMaleTruth]

Lmao. Antifa is worse than the democrat kkk but both are on the same liberal team but antifa actually perpetuates violence terrorism and wants to strip every American of their rights.

[jimyee]

If the kkk is allowed to exist I don't understand how you would hope to ban antifa.

[WhitePanther88]

Probably because the KKK stick themselves these days and aren't allowed to keep their faces covered

[jimyee]

No, it's because freedom of speech. All the hate groups are protected by it and most members of the group's are nonviolent.

[WhitePanther88]

Most non-violent members of the group aid and albeit the violent ones. One groups attacks people, another throws missiles at people while the main body provide cover for the violent ones to fade into among a black clothes and masked crowd. Its the same reason the kkk wore masks.

[Celtero]

Nah... Round em up, and make them fight lions in a gladiator arena.

[Lance1965]

Nope. If they were banned then another group of people would be banned, then another and another.

[LegateLanius]

Yep. They are exactly like the groups they are supposed to be against.

[Jack_L_andTurn]

Part of why I served was to protect the right to protest, even by people with whom I disagree. Arrest the violent members, but don't punish those who are peaceful.

[AllThatSweetJazz]

No, because you can hate whatever you want and that doesn't mean you should be "banned". But we shouldn't tolerate violence and they should receive the full force of the law if they're going to act like terrorists.

[SuccessfulHornDog]

They are a bunch of world communists losers. Jail them all for assault and sue them for infringing on everyone civil rights.

[Someguynamedbob]

nope that would go against free speech, i may not agree with what they have to say but i will defend their right to say it with my life

[WhitePanther88]

Free speech does not cover violence

[WhitePanther88]

Punching someone in the face isn't free speech.

[Someguynamedbob]

if they are actually calling for violence then it is already against the law, punching people in the face is also against the law

[WhitePanther88]

They are saying punch a nazi in the face, anyone who disagrees is a Nazi to them

[Pamina]

They're not an actual group, so I don't know how you would even ban them. Just like with the Alt-Right.

[AlphaMaleTruth]

No such thing as alt right. This group can easily be identified. They wear masks and have nazi socialist anti America anti rights attitudes and they act like terrorists to the moral American people. They should be deported.

[beefyburrito32]

Simple really, you just arrest anyone wearing a mask at a protest.

[worldscolide]

Not banned, but classed as what they are, A terrorist group.

[JCT666]

Unfortunately, they can't be banned as a group because that contradicts the 1st amendment. However, because of their tebdencies to cause violence and harass people, there should be more arrests against them.

[Zodiac10]

Well U. S. security agencies labeled them as 'domestic terrorists' so they should be shut down when things get violent (like usual). Other than that you can't silence them because it's against the first amendment.

[OfDeath]

I think they should. Their actions can be worse than those they are against

[taleswapper]

Once you grant the authority to ban a group, you can't take it back. the next time, it may be YOUR group that gets banned...

[genericname85]

i think you should not judge a movement based on missbehavior of individuals.

[WhitePanther88]

Individuals acting as one.

[genericname85]

do they represent the entirety of antifa?

[WhitePanther88]

Yes as the rest of antifa facilitates their violence. 1 group punches Nazis, one group hurls objects at others and the rest provide cover for the violent ones to hide amongst when the police comes to arrest them.

[genericname85]

well the church vacilitates violence and hate chrimes across the globe and still we allow them as an institution here xD peole that commit crimes shall be punished as lawfull but just cause you identify with a group doesn't make you guilty of their crimes.

[WhitePanther88]

Which church? Prodestants, Catholics, Jews, Muslims, Amish, Hollywood?

[genericname85]

All of the abrahamic ones.

[WhitePanther88]

Yeah science justifies slavery, racism and genocide

[genericname85]

Science has no interest in justification. If you think that, you don't know what science is.

[WhitePanther88]

Yeah that explains the holocaust, eugenics and the enslavement of Africans all done with the intellectual backing of science

[genericname85]

hitler and his holocaust was actually more based on a mixture of bullshit, missinformation and germanic/christian ideology, not science. i don't know how slavery has anything to do with science. you might wanna explain what you mean with that.

eugenic is a scientific field it doesn't "back" anyhting. science has no normative appeal to action. it has explanatory power, not directional power. you further underlined that you don't know what science is by your former statement.

[WhitePanther88]

Actually hitler used then current scientific knowledge on racial theory. Slavery to was justified by the science of the Age. You only have to pick up a book on science written in those times.
Science was used for its explanatory power to back up both slavery, eugenics and the holocaust.

[genericname85]

no hitler used "skientific knowledge" that even at the time was known to be not correct. he still built an ideology on it and people wanted to beleive him rather than knowing if he was right or wrong, cause his ideology struck a nerve of the time where people were desparate and hitler was the one with a "solution"... he was wrong by todays and contemporary standards.

science was used for explanatary power to back up slavery, eugenics and the holocaust?
wow why are you so confused.

first: eugenics is a science it is not backed by science it is one.
sciences explanatary powr backed up slavery? how?
science backed the holocaust? how?

there's no science book that says "we have to kill the jews" science doesn't do that kind of things politicsand ideologies do that, not science. science only makes non normative statements and doesn't tell us how to act. that's what religion does.

[genericname85]

so hitler lied about what science said and now you claim well science backed hitler. don't you see how dumb this is?

[WhitePanther88]

Hitler used the science of the time he didn't need to lie.

[genericname85]

yes he did use science for inspiration to tell some bullshit about people that the science didn't say.

you know the science at the time said that there are genetical differences between "races" (which was the term used before we started using "ethnicity") and hitler just went and determined that the "germanic type" is superior based on ideological nonsense (yeah not even the ideology he used was correct). and taking the next step to claim that we must euthanize all the other races is just wrong and stupid and NOT backed by science.

you know science can find a way to build a bomb that can eradicate an entire nation. science doesn't say "hey you should throw those bombs at somebody. why not nagasaki and hiroshima just for shits and giggles"...

ok i'm done teaching you what science is. i'n gonna mute this question now, cause there's nothing to be said to this anymore. please stop claiming that science "backs" hitler. that's just embarrassingly dumb.

[WhitePanther88]

The science of the day backed Hitler, that's not a claim but a fact.

[front2back]

Banned? no. Should we be allowed to sweep them off the streets with any means necessary? Yes.

[Anonymous]

Antifa is not going to be banned in Europe very quick as we have seen direct collusions between state and Antifa.

[Anonymous]

These trash are worse than the KKK ever was. They just want to take white men down and fuck white women who also hate white men.

[Storm_Soldier2377]

I am against any group, even hateful ones, being banned, but it is high time for then to be held accountable for their violent behavior.

[terimator20]

Ban them in general? No. Ban them from acting as a counter-protest? Yes.

[JesseTheMan]

Antifa isn't a real group, more like a loose movement. And no, it shouldn't be banned.

[OldSchool_Metalhead]

yup they're hella dumb