Ideally both the women and the doctors should be sent to prison because of it would be the most fair considering both have participated in the crime; killing an innocent human being and inflicting a lot of suffering. There should be requirements though like the woman being informed and a mentally healthy adult to be imprisoned. Not everyone knows what an abortion really is because of lack of information, poor education system and doctors not telling the truth. The feminist movements aren't honest about it either.
But if we're speaking of what's most realistic instead of what's most fair, it would make more sense to priority imprisonment of doctors firstly because of they knows all of the information and performs the actual act. Without the doctors, there would be no one to go to for an abortion. In a more ideal world people would see abortion as bad as others murder cases and seeing it as a crime, but the world isn't ideal and if we're going to have a democracy it's a low chance of getting a ban and make it effective. If the majority vote was against making theft, murder, rape etc. illegal, it would be ineffective to keep it illegal and enforcing the law - so then it would most likely stay legal for democratic reasons.
My country Norway has a democracy and abortion is legal. Unborn people aren't considered alive human beings with feeling or any forms of value or worth. Any kinds of disabilities are considered the burden to the society and getting rid of it's seen as a good solution. If a country is supposed to stay a democracy with free will, then it wouldn't be possible to make it illegal or imprison people. If I became a politician I would never suggest making it illegal or imprison people simply because of I would know it won't decrease the abortion numbers, it would split people more and over 90% wouldn't support it. The children are by law considered the property of the woman until birth although abortions are usually not performed after the 12th week.
I would rather suggest campaigns against abortion and showing it's consequences, giving support to poor families, bettering the adoption- and foster care system, improving the sex education and making contraceptives more accessible. So let's say you've a society where more than 80% wants to legalize theft, murder, rape and genocide - should it be legal then? Yes, it should, if you wants a democracy with freedom and free will instead of a totalitarian dictatorship that would be difficult to enforce. So I wish both women and doctors could be imprisoned, but I knows it's not a realistic thing to do or a good idea because of democracy. You can't ban slavery or genocide either if you're going to have a true democracy in a society where the majority is in favor.
Most people are against slavery and genocide, but this is just an example*
Why only the women and the doctors? What about the men who help cause the unwanted pregnancy to begin with?
The doctors and the women commit the murder directly, therefore. If there's evidence for the man forcing the woman to undergo an abortion like threatening her and using violence, then he would also get sent to prison. Then she won't.
It shouldn't be punishable to have consenting sex and both parts have consented in consensual sex. But it should be punishable to kill someone. Having sex and becoming pregnant doesn't automatically mean death since they can choose to keep the child or adopt it away.
Seems like men what no part of the responsibility for the cause of pregnancy. It is just so absurd because he should be convincing her to do otherwise. Unless he put effort in doing so, if not he shall also be jailed if women and doctors are jailed.
jesus christ what is wrong with this world. why do weird men think its a good idea to punish woman for making a decision towards their own well being? Are woman really shamed for not letting themselves give birth to a baby that's the product of rape, developed deformities, could kill them during childbirth (based on circumstances), could ruin a younger girl (teens) life. A girl is expected to go through the pain of childbirth, the expensive parts of pregnancy, the painful parts of pregnancy, all because something went wrong with birth control methods? And if we don't have the baby, we are shamed from a group of people that have no understanding of the situations and circumstances. Okay so the potential mother happen to form an embryo, now she is a murderer for wanting to change that? Thank the lord that I am celebate because I'd rather never touch a creep then have a creep shame me for letting a guy (could also be a creep) touch me.
Yes, at the very minimum. Some should be executed depending on the circumstances.
All abortion doctors and staff should receive the rope. We can’t afford to be merciful with such scum.
@AnimeThot nope, abortion is unjustifiable homicide, while the latter is a state-sanctioned judicial execution.
In your opinion. You don't see pro choice trying to put laws for pro lifes forcing girls to keep the child they don't want. In that case, let me strawman something. You're accusing someone of murder there for you should be in jail.
Doesn't take a genius. Making laws for abortion just interfere's with people's view. I don't view fetus as humans so does sperm and egg cells so I wouldn't say it's killing but rather shedding or discarding. But saying those are humans, well those are your views. I don't like sex being taken for granted not because I'm concerned for the fetus but for the mother's health but I still give them choice to abort with their own consequences. Pro lifes want every baby to be born, but they don't care if that baby is going to be an orphan all their childhood, or if the baby is going to suffer malnutrition, or if the baby has no medical insurance and end sick and dies or if the baby is going to grow up feeling unwanted, develop depression and suicide. They want all babies but they are not going to take care of them. If they really cared that much they would offer themselves to take care of every unwanted kid of people who are going to abort. The funny thing is that many pro life aren't that pro life when it comes to death penalty. So what you called "murderer" is wrong except when it's justified. "But where's the justice in that? The baby didn't do anything" Yeah the baby didn't do anything that she have to keep it either. I can also say, the baby didn't do anything except for the fact that it's inside the mother causing her pain and can cause her a lot later on in life so I'm a pro choice because I'm concerned about the mother, the child (Who's gonna suffer as a human being later on), the husband, the family and the government. Kids not taken care of properly can go violent and be suicidal which is a very big issue to society and last I check, Earth has over 7.5 billion people polluting the world.
@Aiko_E_Lara I don’t care if you don’t believe the unborn aren’t “human”; they factually are living human beings. Nobody really debates that besides complete brainlets. If you don’t believe me, then do literally any research on the matter. This isn’t a scientifically controversial point—no more than saying the Earth is round.
You “quality of life” argument is really fucking dumb; it’s preposterously stupid. It’s a bullshit, ad hoc excuse that no one takes seriously. Are you seriously saying it’s fine to gut little humans in the womb because, what, their lives might be hard? Why don’t we just sterilize the poor while we’re at it? Better yet, let’s just kill them all; we better not let them suffer, because clearly being hungry or having mental problems is infinitely worse than being straight-up chopped to pieces by someone who never asked your consent.
Finally, look, cut the shit about “unwanted” kids. Everybody knows what sex is for; everybody knows what it does. Yes, we have sex for pleasure, but we all fundamentally know that’s just a fun side effect and not the real reason intercourse evolved. If you have consensual sex, then you’re doing so with the knowledge that this is an activity which’s *prime purpose* is pregnancy. You are *consenting* to putting a human being inside you (if you’re the woman). You can’t reasonably say you’re going to put a little human inside you with the full understanding that it takes nine months for them to be born only to suddenly shirk your duties and not only abandon parenthood, but actually commit filicide by paying some Jewish doctor to chop up your developing child and sell its parts for cash.
It's simple. What I said still stand and I don't care if you believe a fetus is a human life. And if you believe they're humans then consider masturbation and having sex alone a murder. Oh a sperm is different from a fetus you say? Because that's opinionated just like when I say a fetus is different from humans.
"You “quality of life” argument is really fucking dumb" OK In YOUR opinion. That doesn't really make you truthful just because you can start attacking our notions. And if you're so annoyed because you think I'm ok with sex being taken for granted then you didn't read this part "I don't like sex being taken for granted not because I'm concerned for the fetus but for the mother's health but I still give them choice to abort with their own consequences. " <-- i clearly said that one.
"You are *consenting* to putting a human (I stop right here)" <-- Again in your opinion it's a human. When science only said it's a living thing, it's people like you who chose to make a strawman argument about believing in the notion that they're already humans. Because you think they WILL turn into one? FYI "will" means not yet
There for people throwing seeds away or cutting a sapling they made should be fined for cutting trees. Is that what you want? A a straw man fallacy? They involve the same principle. You're bringing your own push your beliefs in our point of views like this one
"Are you seriously saying it’s fine to gut little humans in the womb because, what, their lives might be hard?" <-- No. I'm saying we don't see fetus as humans. And yes what if I say it's fine to take YOUR "human" out of there? "because, what, their lives might be hard?" Sure thing. Why don't you adopt one right now? There are hundreds of thousands of children in the orphanage waiting to be adopted tho.
Thanks for the mho.
*Cough* Biased MHO *Cough*
@markscott This is like clock work. In your opinion it's a human however we have a different opinion.
@Aiko_E_Lara it’s not a matter of opinion.
Oh is see. Fuck your feelings. It's a matter of logic
Feelings it self doesn't make you truthful. You feel like I'm an asshole in this then go ahead. It's not like everyone agrees with you, entitled moron. "Lets sue this guy because I don't like his opinion" Basically like that
@markscott lmao you’re so delusional.
@Aiko_E_Lara no, I’m the asshole. You’re simply a fool. Your opinion is baseless and anti-science.
Just because you said so and talk about irony. Coming from someone who allows his feelings to claim something.
Ok I'm a fool in your opinion. So what? Name call me once again without any further elaborations. That would only prove how your ego is shattered. Let's see now what else? Jail? In my opinion you should be jailed because of my feelings. Anyways I'm just trying to sound like you
Spartan: You are quite wrong. Just because you have a strong opinion, doesn't make it fact. There are many intelligent, caring people, including scientists and biologists, who do not accept that a fetus is a human being. I'm not arguing that it is, or isn't. Just that your so called fact, is clearly debatable. And re. your comment that quality of life f------ dumb, is just what self righteous jerks like to spout, as they require women to go through to birth, but don't care if the child has a miserable life. That is really just control, not caring about the unborn child. It's a very Republican, pseudo-Christian, self interested, belief, with not empathy. In other words, no morality, no Christianity, just a desire for dominance and control over women. Sure, people should be more responsible. But they are human. They just screwed up in a different area of life than you have. That doesn't make you any better than them. You care caught up in the idea, that the other person's sin is always worse than your own. Very hypocritical and Pharisaical.
Don't murderers usually go to jail?
Yes, they should, but NOT abortion patients.
Abortion is murder. A woman has so many choices-birth control, abstinence, learning their ovulation schedule. It's not like these are immaculate conceptions. What do they think will happen? Sex can lead to procreation. That is it's intended purpose. Learn how to fuck like a mature responsible adult then there will be no need to worry about an unplanned pregnancy.
How about rape & incest?
That accounts for 1.5% of all abortions, so it's barely a factor. The rest is simply poor decision making. A woman can only get pregnant a couple days out of a month, so if everything aligns correctly and she gets pregnant, I believe there is a greater plan at work. The product of rape could one day cure cancer. It's not that child's fault. There are plenty of people that are looking to adopt.
So let me be clear, you ARE CONDONING rape and incest, cuz 'Life' as you know takes priority and it represents ONLY 1.5% of the problem?
Am I correct?
That's quite a leap. Rapists and pedophiles should be imprisoned if not executed but it is not the unborn baby's fault.
Im curious if you have the same compassion for immigrants fleeing violence and looking to live better lives.
@Armourdillo Yes, I do actually. I think they should be vetted but America is a country of immigrants
Would you consider plan B to be abortion/murder?
@Armourdillo I don't consider it to be murder but it should be unnecessary. If a woman is having sex without being on birth control, she is a careless idiot
You can get pregnant on birth control, but anyway, at what point is the zygote considered a human life?
You’ve said it. Some don’t think. Me I use My head. I’ve told guys I’m not into having children. It’s not that I don’t like children. Having children is not for everyone.
yes, generally, unless the kid is young enough, then it's cool. You can mutilate em too, I got the circumcised cock to prove it!
You’re 36? Smh. That’s a lie.
@BLUEXEYEDXGIRL Lol, what does that mean?
@rubyrose83 you’re not thinking logically. Women and men can take all of the birth control that they want but things can still happen. And if it’s not too late, an abortion is an option. I don’t want kids myself and I take birth control and so does my boyfriend but that doesn’t mean nothing will happen. And with rape, no one wants to bring a baby into the world that wasn’t conceived with love or at least some kind of feelings and if they do, I give them huge props. And if they adopt the baby, the baby will always wonder why their real parents didn’t want them.
Abortion is not murder. Murder is a crime. Abortion is not a crime.
@ThisIsMyOpinion : Everything Hitler did was "legal."
@ObscuredBeyond nonsensical comparison.
Your opinion will change if your daughter gets raped and knocked up.
@MannySimms No, it won't. Don't have a daughter but I got knocked up and that's how I got my opinion.
Yes, it’s literally murder
Agree. I've even heard of some saying they should be executed.
In the state of Georgia, women can even be sentenced to death for having an abortion.
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MHO right here, finally women with brain
@Hurdleez-Swampede Official code of Georgia Annotated (that's the Georgia criminal code) 16-5-80: Feticide. Look it up.
Specifically look at section (f) subsections (1), (2), and (3) which reads as follows: (f) Nothing in this Code section shall be construed to permit the prosecution of (1) Any person for the conduct relating to an abortion for which the consent of the pregnant woman, or person authorized by law to act on her behalf, has been obtained or for which such consent is implied by law; (2) Any person for any medical treatment of the pregnant woman or her unborn child; or (3) Any woman with respect to her unborn child.
Check your laws before you speak.
I have the O. C. G. A. sitting on the couch next to me. I am a police officer in the state of Georgia. What law would you like me to look up next?
@Prettygurl12
There's loopholes to where she could be given a death sentence.
@Prettygurl12
slate.com/.../...ects-women-to-life-in-prison.html
On Tuesday, Georgia Republican Gov. Brian Kemp signed a “fetal heartbeat” bill that seeks to outlaw abortion after about six weeks. The measure, HB 481, is the most extreme abortion ban in the country—not just because it would impose severe limitations on women’s reproductive rights, but also because it would subject women who get illegal abortions to life imprisonment and the death penalty.
I don't need to be an attorney. Cops don't know the laws about many things. They think they can break up a street protest when a person has a licensed permit to use a horn when it is less than a certain decibel just because they don't like it.
But the bill does far more than that. In one sweeping provision, it declares that “unborn children are a class of living, distinct person” that deserves “full legal recognition.” Thus, Georgia law must “recognize unborn children as natural persons”—not just for the purposes of abortion, but as a legal rule.
If they are recognized as legal people, they can be given death.
You can't block me either.
@Prettygurl12
I can evade any block you try. You're mad because I've proven they are legal person status.
@Hurdleez-Swampede I'm just trying to explain the law to you. You live in Michigan, I assume by your profile. Read the language of the text you wrote. It's all hypothetical. "Seeks to" "Would be..."
I live in Georgia (originally from MI though so that's fun) and I can tell you that it hasn't cleared the courts yet. It's being appealed and it will go up to the supreme court. When they rule on it, only then will it be accepted as law.
@Prettygurl12
Okay. The point is that people have been charged with murder for it and it's possible to receive death if they are updated as human status.
@Prettygurl12
Also I don't care what you have to prove. Anybody who resorts to anger and being a wuss by blocking for a difference of opinion is not mentally fit to be a cop and does not deserve my respect. So anything you say is meaningless until you unblock.
Blocking is stupid anyways. Imagine you blocked an experienced hacker who sought revenge on you by hacking your account. You'd rage and know how risky it is and not block people again in the future.
Since when is abortion murder?
@Cmcelts15
You're right. @Kimberly-Bryant and @Burdened-Pilgrim are the 2 best females here who super support pro life in all situations and not excuse makers. Sadly, I think Burdened-Pilgrim is soon leaving g@g or abandoning it. We used to text on my phone a lot.
It's legal in my country. It's legal other European countries and even in some us states. It's far from murder.
@Cmcelts15 I don't consider the middle east an example for anything.
Still you are not taking a human life. There is still not a formed human life.
@Cmcelts15 I will not judge if the guy on the floor is a death or alive human the same way I will something that is still forming.
@ThisIsMyOpinion ok since your a retard I’ll help you out. Typically you would check for a pulse if someone was unconscious and at the very least without a BEATING heart the person is declared dead. Same as a human, so a kid that’s 4 years old is still forming to grow up and hasn’t hit puberty so your saying kill a 4 year old? Ask your doctor if you can live without a heart beat just for shits and giggles
@Cmcelts15 again, I will not judge of a already born person is alive or not with the same parameters I will judge a not yet born one.
I don't care if the fetus heart already beats. What does that matter? He still isn't born so decision must rest with the ones who are.
@Cmcelts15 read what I said. I didn't said it wasn't alive. I said it wasn't born.
@Cmcelts15 it's not a yet born human being.
@Prettygurl12 It is hard to argue with a numb nuts idiot asshole like this Michigan ignorant teenager.
@katiesmuff
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No. I mean how would you even regulate that? It’s easy to hide.
It's difficult to prove rape and drug smuggling too, but should that be legal too? People are going to do it anyway.
Because of you're fine with she ending a child's life?
No, because there's a million reasons why a woman might choose to get an abortion and not all reasons have to do with them being self centered and just not wanting a child.
Could be that she's over the age of 40 and she was told the child will be born with a ton of health complications that will effect their quality of life.
Could be she's got a medical problem, such as a heart condition and having the child is dangerous for her and the child.
Could be she was raped and doesn't want her rapist child or doesn't want to put the child through all the torment they will get from others being a product of rape.
Could be she's teenager and her parents are forcing her to get one. Or, she's a teenager and doesn't want to be a 15 year old mom because she know's she's not ready.
Could be the guy is forcing her to get the abortion (because that does happen)
Could be she's not in a good place in her life, mentally, emotionally or financially she knows she can't provide a good life for that child.
Could be she has no support system and the father wants nothing to do with her and she knows she's not in the right place to be a single mom.
There so many reasons, none of which are criminal or a reason to be in jail. There's so many children in foster care. Children adopted by horrible people who pretended they were loving. Children who's parents kept them but they are on drugs or they live in a place where a shooting occurs every 60 seconds or they just simply ignore them and treat them like crap. Tell me, how is that better then having an abortion and saving a child from having to go through all that?
Why should it be a crime?, do the People who support this idea don't think about the causes and future consequences of the pregnancy?, can they really assure a good future life for both the baby and the mother? both economically and psychologically?
What if the pregnancy was caused by rape (and please, don't say that the victim has the fault, that is so idiotic)?, what if the future baby won't be neither loved nor cared well in the place where he/she is going to be received?, what if the abortion was a miscarriage or an accident?, or what if the family or the future mother don't have the enough resources to take care of the child?
People can be pro-life, but can they then give the help and support so both the future child and mother live and have good and better lives?
In short: abortion shouldn't be a crime unless it can be proved that the future baby can be upbrought and raised in a good healthy environment, that he/she is expected, that there aren't neither physical, economical nor psychological issues around the baby nor the future family is dysfunctional.
I agree. In cases of rape or health issues of the mother it should be allowed. In other cases? No. The argument of bad family/parent doesn’t mean the baby’s life should be taken away.
@Jennifer2019 It is a good argument, unless you can assure that the baby can get adopted by a good family and will live in a more healthy environment.
What about the babies of the prostitutes, or the ones who will live with a member of "the family" who is either a psycopath, mad, a drug addict, an abuser, a bully, a molester, a rapist, a sick person?, in that case, or they get aborted or people from social service should take action quickly before they become future victims, criminals or mad people.
I also add those family members Who can provoke the future Mother to abort the baby through violence, deception, psychologycal, emotional abuse, blackmailing, drugging her and taking her by force to abort, etc. So that means that those People can be free of charges while the one who was forced to abort or got the miscarriage has to pay for the sinners and real criminals?
Absolutely no. Unplanned pregnancy is mainly caused by men. First, let's ignore about rape, that we can't argue. Secondly, teen pregnancies are generally caused by boyfriends or the guy there are seeing. Thirdly, even will pills and condoms, it is not 100% safe, it is just a prevention only. So, to avoid unwanted pregnancies, don't have sex which is literally impossible. Maybe, don't ejaculate inside? Take more preventive measure to avoid unwanted pregnancies then. Women should not be jailed for abortion, you have to think a lot of situations what if teen pregnancies?
I disagree with penalising the women for abortion, because:
1. How are they going to raise a kid when they are still a kid?
2. If they gave birth to the unwanted child, that child will suffer since the women may just dump the baby somewhere and overpopulated orphanage?
Think about it. It is the women who has to bear the consequences of getting pregnant. Why not jail the men too for not being a man to share the responsibility with the women? It takes two to tango.
I agree that charging women for wanting an abortion is stupid for many reasons.
But if takes two to tango why do you say most unwanted pregnancies are caused by guys? Rape aside two people agreed to that event.
@ThisIsMyOpinion There's nothing that women hate more than being held accountable for their actions. Any excuse to blame someone else. In this instance, men. In fact, every bad choice a woman makes she will usually blame on a man.
Agreed to have sex, yes. But are you sure guys did not persuade girls in many cases? Especially teens. I heard many girls gave their virginity to their first boyfriend. And most of the times, even if the girls does not want it, guys will say things like "if you love me, you will have sex with me." Have you not heard about these before? And if a guy does really thought about the unwanted pregnancies, will some of them chose not to use a condom because of various reasons? Also, even though girls don't tell their guys, but among girls they will say that "I had sex with my boyfriend because if I don't, I'm afraid of him leaving me". There are many more grey areas but this is what I can think of now.
I am not saying guys don't act wrongly when it comes to sex. Stories like the ones you mentions do happen.
The same way girls lie to their boyfriend about taking the pill to keep a guy. That is a unwanted pregnancy on one side.
People do crapy stuff they regret.
I don't want to sound bias, but there are more than one comment here saying all unwanted pregnancies are caused by us. Which is just not true. Both should share responsibility
Yep, I just say mainly but I didn't say all men and some men kinda assume that women are not willing to acknowledge it's their fault too. I didn't say women are not at fault, I just say men fault too but why is only the women who has to bear the consequences?
You see, men can runaway from all the blames and responsibilities. When it comes down to unwanted pregnancies, people are pointing fingers at women for abortion and saying things like "you don't know how to love yourself, being cheated by men and all. Now you're stuck with this unwanted pregnancy." If they abort, people also have a lot to say, like you don't love life and God's creation and shits like this. But men? What do they care? If they don't want to be responsible, they can just walk away like that. Nobody is gonna say how bad is that man and how irresponsible he is. Nobody fucking care if the guy walks away while the girl has to think if she should give birth or abort. And no matter what is her decision, people will still talk behind her back and judge her from afar. Tell me if the men has any part of this?
I don't think she should be the only one sharing the consequences. Both are responsible.
I think women should be able to get an abortion if they don't want to keep the child. That falls on the woman only but that is something that even if we wanted we couldn't share.
Yeah. There are too many jerks around whom I won't call them men at all, no balls maybe. Especially teenagers who got pregnant and they dump the girl. Really... no balls... to even go through the process with her and support her even if you don't go through it physically...
First of all. Fuck who says anything about a woman decision to abort! It's her body, her call. social pressure is big, but we are talking about having a human being not a toy!
About the men. I can imagine how bad it must be to want to keep the baby if the women doesn't. He has no choice on the matter.
And if he did no wanted it when it's born he will need to provide for the baby.
After the pregnancy starts every choice is on you. We have no saying in what happens next unless we make a run for it.
That is how we share responsibility on this.
My father did that. Cheated on my mother when she was pregnant of me and then tried his best to not pay a cent to me and my sister.
I know how bad it can be for you. I just don't want all the blame to fall on us. We are not all my father
Haha... I think you take it a little too personal. Calm down. I agree that both parties have to involve in the decision making on whether to abort or not. Yes, of course, life is precious. I strongly believe that.
I hope I will ever have to go through these sort of madness. I think that, it has to be planned. I don't say everytime but often when a unplanned pregnancy happens, guy usually doesn't what be part of it even though they are in love and the guy chicken out. That's how the decision falls only on the woman. Ok. I'm talking about both parties are in love here.
If either one of them are not, there's nothing to discuss, really. If the girl doesn't love the guy, all the more she would abort. If the other way round, guys won't even care, or they might even hope for an abortion.
I meant I will never***
Ya my bad...
Overall you and I are on the same page. Best thing to do is prevent it from getting to that point
Absolutely not. Do we want to shame single mothers or do we want those single women to terminate the chance of becoming a single mother? So many people (mostly conservatives) complain about the rise in single motherhood (which has actually declined) yet they also complain about then having the right to prevent that possibility. This is not an excuse for promiscuous behavior but not every woman who gets pregnant is a slut. Many are shocked when they find out their man wants nothing to do with a kid and leaves. Many are in abusive relationships. Many are already poor and can't afford birth control. If the fetus cannot survive on it's own and is not developed enough then the woman should have the right to terminate. Forcing a woman to go through months of agony for a child she doesn't want is not okay and using the excuse that she could just set them up for adoption is bullshit. If you knew anything about the Foster Care system you would never suggest placing a child in it.
We talk about the "potential" for life. Me jacking off almost every night and not going into a woman is killing potential life. Cumming in a condom is ending the potential for life. Kissing on her tits or face is a disrespect to the possibility of future life. Little babies are in this sperms right? Begins at conception right? Wrong. I care more about the woman than a fetus. She has priority. She can always have another.
Also when abortion is legal it tends to help more than hurt. And abortion cases are down, they have been lowering for almost 10 years. In fact it's at a historical low.
And the same people who are "pro life" are also usually the same people who hate welfare programs that assist mothers with children so spare me the "we must protect the children" nonsense.
My question would be what if the boyfriend or husband wanted the abortion too. would he be jailed too?
No. Would I have had an abortion when I could get pregnant probably not. I was conflicted on would I care a baby full term if the child had something medically wrong. Though I personally am against abortion where the baby was conceived through consensual sex because I do believe that life begins at conception I won't take that right away from a woman. I was lucky enough at 38 to have a healthy baby. I didn't take the risk of getting pregnant again and my luck run out.
Women should be allowed to have an abortion in cases of rape, incest and in cases where the mother's health is at risk. That is a given. There should be more focus on using adequate birth control every time and doesn't mean just use a condom. Also, the emphasis on personal responsibility of not just going with the flow without adequate protection, not using the withdraw method or not getting so waste on alcohol or drugs that oops that just happened.
And men don't get the option to go condom free because it doesn't feel good or play the game of removing the condom when the girl or woman isn't looking. No one likes condoms but we got to live with.
That's the end of my mom lecture of the day.
Post Note: If your boyfriend doesn't want to get labs before you have sex with him walk away.
Is this one of those Russian troll questions designed to get Americans fighting? The majority of Americans couldn't give a shit what someone they don't even know does about an unwanted pregnancy. So let's give this idiotic topic a rest. It's nonsensical.
If you are a woman and you don't like abortion, you never have to have one. If you are a dude, only stick your penis inside your wife.
Case closed.
Astounding. A question you don't like? Let's just blame the Russians. It's a given that decent men wouldn't just be screwing a bunch of random women; monogamy has been a tradition, at least among Christian men, going back generations in Western countries (only recently has Christianity in the west been on the decline). You're within your right to express your opinion however way you want though. I don't personally think women should be jailed for having an abortion, though I do think the decision should be taken seriously.
@1828RobertToast1828 Excuse me but I closed this case 8 months ago.
"I'm within my right to respond nonetheless."
@1828RobertToast1828 You really aren't within your right to respond. lol. I just deleted your post. You are on my turf and I call the shots. :)
Actually, I am within my right to respond. I really don't care if you deleted my post; that's your right. "This is my turf" -- Childish. You could have simply deleted my original comment if you don't like what I have to say.
And, besides, the purpose of platforms like these is to discuss ideas openly. I don't care if you agree with me. Disagree with me if you like. All I'm communicating is: I think what you communicate here isn't particularly nuanced. By no stretch is everything you say here invalid (e. g., women don't need to have an abortion if they don't want and men shouldn't sleep around). I think playing the "Russian Collusion" card is repugnant and a little grotesque. If you dislike my comments here, I encourage you to erase/delete them. It won't bother me.
@1828RobertToast1828 Are you a Russian gentleman?
Amazing... "Anybody I disagree with is Russian!"
@1828RobertToast1828 You didn't answer.
Isn't it implied? I ain't Russian. You could look at my profile and know I'm not anywhere close to Russia.
@1828RobertToast1828 Calm down, comrade.
If you're worried about Russian bots, perhaps you could do research into conspiracy theories the Chinese State Media is electing to expouse claiming the United States planted COVID-19 in Wuhan (Yes, the World Health Organization posted a comment on Twitter indicating Chinese officials stated there's no evidence for human-to-human transmission for an ailment that resulted in a global pandemic).
Like we don't already have more kids living in the streets and alley's of our cities coming from wombs of women who didn't want them and neither did anyone else once they got here. Maybe all the Pro Lifers should get together and pool their money to build places for these unwanted, drug infected (not by their choice), starving children to live and eat with loving adults to care for their every need and provide educational hopes for them instead of just trying to force every pregnancy to full term where there will be no love, no affection, no nothing but the dirt and shit of the streets for their future.
So you're blaming socialist policy failures on unborn babies, rather than on irresponsible adults? Pathetic.
@ObscuredBeyond : I find it interesting that so many people who are anti-abortionists, are also anti-helping single mothers and helping children. Great moral indignation about abortions, but no moral indignation about how children suffer. It's like forcing a mother to birth a child, so the child can suffer and have a bad life. I don't see any moral high ground in that.
@markscott Once you realise they base their opinion on hate not love, it all makes sense.
@markscott : Now that is horseshit. You think I don't help those I'm close to any way I can? What I'm against, is a money-grubbing and inefficient, bureaucratic, faceless machine stealing all of my money, laundering most of it into DNC campaign coffers, then giving crumbs to these single moms, only if they meet some arbitrary list of qualifications, just to get a handout to go to an indoctrination center that leaves them no more qualified for the real world than when they went in. Meanwhile, the handout does nothing to instill wisdom in them, nor alleviate the fact that their families are still atomized, depressed, and decadent. Today's universities are nothing but a con game. That's why my one younger brother refuses to enroll in one. And to rob the middle class to oblivion to feed the machine while doing nothing about degeneracy nor atomization? Wholly unacceptable.
Well if they were jailed that would mean they did something illegal. But abortion is legal.
So the law about abortion would have to change to make this plausible. But you can’t change the law then throw every woman who ever had an abortion in jail. You would also have to lock up all the doctors who performed abortions.
I think women who have abortions aren’t evil because I don’t believe that women who have abortions usually understand what an abortion actually is and what happens to their unborn child.
In the first round after making abortion illegal following these steps would make more sense than focusing mostly on punishments:
1. Sex education + abortion lessons
2. Easily accessible contraceptive
3. Reducing the poverty rate
4. Campaigns and pro-life ads
5. Improving foster- and adoption system
Then in the second:
- Punishing the doctors performing the abortions
Before you can punish the uneducated women.
@curiousnorway I totally agree
There should be more money put into educating people about sexual health and abortions, and in adoption agencies
No. Her body her choice.
I'm all for safe sex. I feel like if you take precautions and those precautions fail and you wind up pregnant then you ought to be able to have an abortion guilt-free. If you willingly have unsafe sex and wind up pregnant... then you're an idiot.
“Her body her choice”. So fed up with bullshit line. What happens if the man wants to keep the child but she wants to abort it? He gets zero say.
@Djaay It takes? It takes what? If you don't want kids then it's your job to make sure you take the necessary precautions to prevent children. I don't want kids. I went out and got on Nexplanon so I can't get pregnant. If my Nexplanon fails me then I feel like I can abort said fetus because I took the precautions to prevent pregnancy and those precautions failed me. Or if I weren't on birth control and was practicing abstinence but I were raped... I ought to be able to abort because my precautions failed me.
@Prettygurl12
Except it's not her body but another's body.
In Georgia, women can receive a death sentence for abortion.
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If I didn't want kids but I just went around having unprotected sex... then I'd be an idiot who deserved to get pregnant. You follow?
If somebody didn't want children, they can prove it by not having sex.
I've never had a woman even think about aborting our creation , you know why ; because I dont ever put myself in that predicament. That's my responsibility and I am very responsible for my partake in any situation. It's my body and my choice as well , and I definitely choose NOT to have a stupid ass woman at the other end of my decisions.
@Hurdleez-Swampede people make bad choices in the heat of the moment. Also birth control can fail.
With that said the pro-choices don’t believe in pro responsibility. I hear about women getting MORE than one abortion which is insane and disgusting. You didn’t learn your lesson the first time?
@Hurdleez-Swampede I'll type out the whole code section for you because I'm a police officer in the state of Georgia and you linking blog articles doesn't mean anything. OCGA 16-5-80: (a) For the purposes of this Code section, the term "unborn child" means a member of the species homo sapiens at any stage of development who is carried in the womb.
(b) A person commits the offense of feticide if he or she willfully and without legal justification causes the death of an unborn child by any injury to the mother of said child, which would be murder if it resulted in the death of such mother, or if he or she, when in the commission of a felony, causes the death of an unborn child.
(c) A person convicted of the offense of feticide shall be punished by imprisonment for life.
(d) A person commits the offense of voluntary manslaughter of an unborn child when such person causes the death of an unborn child under circumstances which would otherwise be feticide and if such person acts solely as the result of a sudden, violent, and irresistible passion resulting from serious provocation sufficient to excite such passion in a reasonable person; provided, however, that, if there should have been an interval between the provocation and the killing sufficient for the voice of reason and humanity to be heard, of which the jury in all cases shall be the judge, the killing shall be attributed to deliberate revenge and be punished as feticide.
(e) A person convicted of the offense of voluntary manslaughter of an unborn child shall be guilty of a felony and shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than one nor more than 20 years.
(f) Nothing in this Code section shall be construed to permit the prosecution of:
(1) Any person for the conduct relating to an abortion for which the consent of the pregnant woman, or person authorized by law to act on her behalf, has been obtained or for which such consent is implied by law;
@Hurdleez-Swampede (2) Any person for any medical treatment of the pregnant woman or her unborn child; or
(3) Any woman with respect to her unborn child.
Nowhere in there does it say that death is the punishment for getting an abortion. In fact, according to Georgia law, women who get abortions are immune from prosecution. 16-5-80 Section f subsection 3.
I'll go by what the law says over some article any day of the week.
@Prettygurl12
Just because you're a cop, doesn't mean you know all the potential ways it can't be given a loophole.
@Hurdleez-Swampede Are you a lawyer? I'm telling you the law in Georgia. Nowhere in the code section does it say that death is an option. The law would need to be changed and as of yet it has not. We'll talk again when/if you become a lawyer or when/if the law is changed.
Prettygirl12... Law , where do you think law originates from? When your done researching , you'll find that it originates from the bible with GODS laws first. God says abortion is murder , therefore its murder. The laws of the people says it's not, GOD says it is. Death in spirit means condemnation to those who indulge.
@Djaay I also don't see what you're so upset about? I make intelligent decisions regarding my reproductive responsibilities and you stated you do too. We would not reproduce together because you want children and I do not. I take steps to ensure I do not have children and I paired off with a man who shares my desire to not have children. You want children so you would likely pair off with a woman who wants children as well. I don't see how you're upset that I don't want kids? I am happy for those who want kids and have them. I can see it brings them joy. I just don't think I should be forced to have kids.
“My body my choice” is the dumbest argument I heard. She knew the risks when she had sex that there was a chance of conceiving a child.
Also, if u saw someone trying to cut themselves or commit suicide would you say the same thing, “their body their choice”. No you wouldn’t.
@Jennifer2019 i would. Especially if i hated them.
@tonicandgin then u r a shitty person.
@Jennifer2019 whatever you say. it's just adapting to 'survival of the fittest'. People who cause psycological harm to others deserve to be suicidal that way they will stop hurting everyone around them plus themselves. If they were truly suicidal they won't try to draw attention to the fact anyways.
@Jennifer2019 whatever you say. it's just adapting to 'survival of the fittest'. People who cause psycological harm to others deserve to be suicidal that way they will stop hurting everyone around them plus themselves. If they were truly suicidal they won't try to draw attention to the fact anyways.
@tonicandgin uhm no not everyone who is suicidal seeks “attention”
1. Fetus is a separate human being. It has its own heartbeat, bloodtype, dna etc. it’s not just her body, it’s the fetuses too.
2. So if a rapist claims that his act was justified because, “hey it’s my body my rules. She wanted it” that’s ok too? Should we not put him in jail?
I would end this by just reiterating that abortion is ok on two occasions: when the mother’s health is in question or in cases of rape.
In the other cases? Absolutely not. Sex isn’t a requirement to live. Food, water and shelter is. You are not going to die due to lack of sex. Women know that u can get pregnant even with birth control. If they choose to have sex, they should prepared to have a baby. If you don’t want a baby don’t have sex. Period.
If the woman had sex and got pregnant and had an abortion, she killed a child and should therefore be punished. it should at least be a heavy fine. The find would be for the abortion and not for having sex. The man should be partly responsible as well.
*fine
@Jennifer2019 bullshit. every "suicidal" person i met never even tried to commit suicide. the ones that did were always the last person you would expect to pull a gun to their head. And it should be the woman's choice to keep the child or not. coercive sex doesn't count as rape, but that's not in your 2 criterias. I'm choosing to keep my child because I did have strong feelings for my ex and it was created from true consent. if it was because a guy i didn't even like that coerced me by trapping me in a car and refusing to let me go until i acquised to have sex with him i wouldn't hesitate to kill the abomination.
What about the abortion doctor (the majority of whom are male)? And what about the male partner, if he supported the abortion? If abortion is murder, then anyone who supported a person getting an abortion would be an "accessory to murder" which would also make them guilty. So many men would end up imprisoned, too.
Yeah all of them. Although its typically a lesser and differing kind of charge but yeah they all should have the appropriate criminal charges.
No a woman should decide for herself whether she should get an abortion or without the fear of going to jail. HER BODY HER RIGHTS. What if she got raped? What if she had been sexually abused? What if she was in such a weak state (health wise) that she wouldn’t be able to survive if she had to go through the pregnancy? What if she can’t afford to take care of the child after giving birth? There are so many “What if” factors that play into this. The foster care/adoption system isn’t where a child should be. They are shady as heck and no one should have to be bounced around from one house to another in search for a family. Its sickening how men are getting away for rape and women can now get put behind bars for doing what is right for themselves. No person should tell a woman what to do with her body.
Of course not, no one would advocate for that, nor would it ever be approved in any state here in the USA. I do hope for the day when abortion is as rare as polio, . Abortion is ending a life. Funny how MOST who are pro abortion are anti death penalty and those in favor of the death penalty are anti abortion.
90% of the vegans/vegetarians in my country are pro-abortionists/pro-choice, while most pro-lifers eats meat.
Cons-abortionists who are in favor of the death penalty believes criminals should be punished, but innocent people shouldn't. But pro-choicers who are opposed to the death penalty sees criminals as human beings with value, while children aren't considered living human beings. To them they're the property of the women and not alive.
It's no different from someone coming up to you on the street and pulling the trigger. By the end of the day, it's killing/taking a life regardless if they are still in the womb or outside of the womb. Murder is murder, i don't care if your still a developing human being or full grown adult. When a sperm and egg meet, that's a new life. I swear they taught this stuff to us in highschool?
And it's weird, one minute we have people telling us it's not a human being then we get stories like pregnant women being beaten and killed that causes the fetus to also loose their lives, then here come these same people saying the prison should be tried for a double murder. Well which one is it? Is the fetus just a clump of cells or is it a human being? When did we stop being clump of cells anyone? Cause as far as I know we're all made of cells even when we're adults.. every cell in your body is what makes you, you.
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Here's the bottom line thing. People want the freedom to have sex with whom ever, whenever. Both males and females!!! Women stop trying to blame men!!! Because at the end of the day it is your body that you willing gave, you knew the risk. But when an unplanned pregnancy occurs... let's not take care of "our responsibility". It's selfish... bottom line. There is no justification for abortion. Because while you're all protesting "This is my body!!! I can do what I want with it!!" You best be glad your moms didn't say that as well, because you possibly wouldn't be here right now if they did.
No, because regardless of one's stance on abortion, it's very difficult to tell the difference between a woman who's had an abortion and one who's had a miscarriage. It would be extremely unfair to put a woman in jail after she's had a natural miscarriage because she's under suspicion of having an abortion. To be grieving the unexpected loss of a child and then be put in jail would be just awful.
Of course no.
Until you men feel like being a woman. No need to talk much about this.
Because if guys say yes to this, for me he is not wise enough to at least answer "Depends on the case". Be wise. Be wise. Be objective. Have emphaty.
Study the case first at least.
by the way im not a feminist.
im pro choice because its not up to me to dictate to a woman who was raped or a woman who has been told her baby might have defects or a woman who knows she just isn't ready for motherhood what to do... i can't see your location so i dont know if this is just the way you have been brought up or just general ignorance but really, putting women in prison for making the hardes decision they will ever have to make in their lives does make it look like you are a pure misogynist.
I think that the abortion doctors should be put in prison, because they know 100% that they're murdering a child. A lot of women who get abortions don't realize that their child is alive and getting an abortion is murder, so I think for the women who do get an abortion they should be informed on what they did. The emotional scarring would be enough punishment for them. The women who do know that abortion is murder, and get one anyway should be jailed for murder
Is this what anti-abortionists are looking to happen? Every woman who has an abortion should be executed immediately, along with the doctors and nurse, and the person who was going to drive her home. This includes cab drivers and Uber drivers. As her parents probably had some influence on her decision, by how they brought her up, to be safe, they should be executed too. And her sibling should be executed as well, as her influence may have infected them. And for little 11 year old girls who have been raped and are pregnant? They should be tortured and thoroughly mistreated, so they aren't tempted to think about an abortion. Or, we could say, you have no business telling a woman what to do with her body. It's interesting to me, to notice how many good Republican southerners voted for a pedophile, but then want to control the lives and bodies of teenage girls people like him tend to get pregnant.
No, but thanks for asking.
Phew, I'm very glad that guys like you won't ever get laid and be able to have offspring. lol
Okay you should go to jail too because you jerk off everyday and kill human babies every single day. You child murderer. SMH seem how stupid you sound?
It's not a unique human being until egg and sperm unite to become a zygote. A fertilized egg, with unique DNA. Stop deliberately failing biology forever to defend child sacrifice.
If the fertilized egg can survive without the mother then its alive. Only then!
@Guardian45 : A newborn baby is dependent on its mother to survive. And most of you Tide zombies are dependent on your mom's basement to live in. So should you be "aborted" too? It's asinine to assume that dependency or not is the measure of value. That is literally Nazi philosophy!
If it takes two to make a baby, why does it only take one to have the decision to kill said baby? And what if she wants it, and no one else in the family will, and she is made to go through with it for her own safety? Your types only care about one thing: dead children. You love death. When a girl chooses life, you threaten her for being "too dumb to know what she's supposed to want."
You are literally like your father, the Nazi philosopher Martin Heidegger.
And in New York, the definition of "abortion" now means up to a week (read: a month) after birth! In other words, full-on infanticide.
It's pure ageism. And to say that dependency is the measure of a life's value is ableism. There is a way that seems right to a demonic fool. But it always worships and leads to death.
The body inside your body is not your body. It has different thoughts, different DNA, and a different purpose for living. Stop repeating the genocidal maniac and super racist talking points of Nazi sympathizer Margaret Sanger. You Canadians literally helped us fight a war to purge the world of this ideological FILTH, only to BECOME the filth yourselves?
Proof is in the talking points and literature.
Murder is murder. The judgement is already made by nature and nature's God. We're simply HONORING the ruling that has ALREADY BEEN RULED! You, however, are trying to win a court case that you ALREADY LOST!
Your ideological follower. The man whose teachings you are a disciple of. Did no one teach you poetic syntax, or the meaning of a metaphorical father, in school? Schools are failing up there as well as down here. Sad.
The ruling is universal. And in the 4th spatial dimension. The W axis. All of space, all of time. Not beholden to the laws of any one country. THAT, is where you already lost. Any country whose laws run afoul of those laws, forfeit the validity of their national laws.
You can begin building a case for your own superior sophistication, by learning to take punctuation a tad bit more seriously.
If my jerk had met an egg ang developed life. Then yes i should be sent to jail.
@ObscureBeyond. A newborn baby is not attached to it's mother, you moron! And you Trump zombies are the ones living in your mom's basement smoking crack. So don't talk through your ass about things you know nothing about. It's asinine to assume that you have a shred of intelligence. And at least I have a philosophy that values a mother's life!
@Guardian45 It doesn't matter what it needs to survive. The matter is that if its a living being or not. If you don't consider it a living being go ahead.
@Raghav_Singh liberals will slaughter each other regardless
You're actually the one that sounds stupid. Did you fail sex education?
A baby is the result of an egg and sperm coming TOGETHER.
Getting rid of an egg or sperm before they get a chance to meet and create a life isn't the same as killing the life after it's been created lol tf?
No. A unwanted baby could ruin a whole family's life in an instant not to mention the baby could be hated by even their parents of all people, that is not a life I would ever want someone to have... In a perfect world birth control would work 100% of the times, and everyone would use it if they don't want a baby... But unfortunately we don't live in a perfect world.
Should you be jailed if you refuse to give your kidney to transplantation and the person that needed that kidney dies? No? Because you have bodily autonomy right? Well so does she
Of course not. Or are you willing to adopt all the babies you wish women should be forced to have? Unless your answer yes, you have no grounds to want to make decisions on behalf of others.
Then guys that jerk off everyday should be jailed to then for killing their/wasting their sperm that could've been a potential baby :)
lol at girls liking this comment, only 1 sperm survives the journey to the egg, the other 1000 sperms die inside her. she's basically a graveyard every time you cum inside her vagina or her mouth.
apology not accepted woman worshipper
you want to be a woman
you hate yourself so you slap your dick in hope one day it drops off and you become a woman, you even dress up in skirts and stillettos lol
Why is this even a topic we should discuss. No one should have a right to tells us what to do with our bodies. I know people always use rape as an example, but that is the only thing I would tolerate if you wanted an abortion. I’m not for abortion it can destroy your body mentally and physically, but I’m gonna sit around and let someone take me to jail because I didn’t want a baby if I was raped by someone
The body inside your body is not your body. And if we don't snuff out the evil and demonic practice of murdering children inside the womb, then those wishing to harvest them for adenochrome after they're born will keep moving the goalposts, all the way to age 11!
It's already happening! #EndTheAdenochromeRacket #WhateverItTakes #AvengeTheFallen
Hmmm well this is a reasonable opinion, if it is indeed rape, then that is currently the only situation I could possibly justify it in, but honestly, the more I look at it, the more it's still murder, and murder is one of the only things worse than rape.
"100% of unplanned pregnancies are caused by men."
Only a retarded feminist would say something like this ^^ because it plays right into the victim narrative of modern feminism. The only time it's true is in a rape scenario.
Seriously, is it any wonder to anyone why men hate feminists?
@_Jay_ You are of course correct. You must not be a feminist.
No my body my choice period and a fetus life is not kore valuable than my life and body gets to decide that for me :).
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Lmao this is stupid af😂
No one will get jailed. Anyone can abort a baby if they damn well please.
Guys need to back off with this unless you're going to carry that thing for 9 damn months, then stfu!
@alex_x988 exactly anything with a beating heart is alive, just because it’s inside you or the kid is handicap doesn’t mean it’s ok to kill it. Dead people and non living objects don’t have heartbeats. Try safe sex, there’s numerous advancements so couples can engage without pregnancy but it’s the risk you take.
I know but there’s no script, I was asking a question sort of related to it. Most women say it takes two then it doesn’t. I just love fake feminist hypocrisy. I know you from other post and your way smarter than most people in here. We have a difference of opinion but I love how much you keep proving good points politically
Well thanks for acknowledging that, if im correct i think i remember you now if we’ve ever talked politics or vaccine related things., then on this we can agree to disagree. If u want an opinion on that then yes the man should pay if decided. Anything with children is ultimatly up to the person whose carrying it, regardless if it took two people to make. Thats just my opinion. And no i am not a feminist but i may be more sided with them on this debate. Im sure if you were a woman youd feel the same
@Kas19
You can't block me. I can evade all blocks.
@Kas19
You know it's stupid to block people when it puts your account in jeopardy?
@Kas19
Quit talking about my momma then.
@ThisIsMYOpinion
She shouldn't talk crap about people's momma.
@Kas19
Quit talking about my mom. I know you see this. You need therapy because you hate my mom.
@Kas19
You don't talk about my mom.
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@Hurdleez-Swampede you're one sick fuck to tell Kas19 that she should get raped and killed. First you told me you're going to get me killed and hacked and now you come here and insult other women. Stop being a little prick.
@PeppermintQueen
So you're sick for talking crap about my mom. I am a serious natured person. I don't joke around. I can go around telling people whatever. I have free will. Free will can be used for good or evil.
@Hurleez-Swampede I never spoke crap about your mom. You are a psychopath actually. I've seen you attack 2 girls already. And I free will to speak the truth as well, and when I see an asshole I call him out. Stop crying on this site and go to bed.
Yes because killing outside of self defense is murder. A baby is defenseless and no threat to anybidy so killing one is murder. And for any woman who wants to argue about "my body my choice", no it is not. Your choice was whether or not to have sex. This is about the unborn baby who doesn't have a choice, not you.
No, but in a tragically related query: Are breathtakingly stupid questions purely designed to be fake Internet clickbait controversy, breathtakingly stupid questions purely designed to be fake Internet clickbait controversy?
Different answer this time.
Making it a crime to have an abortion is basically like telling someone it’s a crime to think a certain thought. You can’t control peoples thoughts and you can’t control what someone does with their body.
I’m pro-life, but I don’t think women should be sent to prison or jails because they got an abortion. Honestly, I’m content with not giving these women a cent of taxpayer’s money, my money, to finance killing their child, unless it’s for reasons such as the risk of lose of life, incest, or rape.
Not without looking into the circumstances on a case by case basis. I mean.. (most) first world countries have left behind primitive ways like keeping basic things like the right to vote/have a job from women.
Think of how backwards that would be if women started getting jailed every time they got an abortion- regardless of whether the pregnancy was the result of rape/less than favourable circumstances where the woman is punished and the male perpetrator walks free?
Okay.
Also, I don’t see the point of jailing any woman for abortion. Last time I checked, jail is mostly used in cases where the individual poses a serious threat to society. Either that, or for rehabilitative purposes.
The only thing achieved by jailing women for abortion would be propagating patriarchal beliefs and absolute control over women, tbqh.
Nope. If that’s the case, men should be castrated for getting her pregnant. Take away my rights to my body and we take yours.
the problem is that you people don't consider a fetus to be a human being. if you believed you were talking about a human life then there would be no debate over this. you're talking about what a man can potentially do to a woman's body. should he be punished for that? if it were the man who carried the child yes he should have been punished too. if a murder takes place they only arrest the person who's committed it not the gun shop owner who's sold them the gun. that's all the guy is here
I know it’s a human being, I just don’t care. Nobody has control over my body but me. Nobody has the right to occupy my body without my permission.
That’s a stupid and false comparison. They aren’t remotely the same.
If i get punished for doing what I have the right to do, then you should receive the same. It’s fair.
@morrowlow So a women rightly shows anger at the idea of losing bodily autonomy and your response is that she's just hormonal? Fuck off
@morrowlow he is not protecting her. He is just stating what he believes in. And honestly I am with him.
If I ever have to disagree with you I will. But ya you have the right to chose on this.
I was actually talking to her xD not the first time we meet in a discussion.
You don’t have the right to kill your unborn children.
>muh legality
Your rights stopped when you voluntarily conceived a human inside you. As far as I’m concerned, if you abort, you should be executed.
>moral high ground
Lol yes, you should be executed for infanticide. It’s a crime that cries out to heaven for vengeance and should be dealt with without mercy.
You better hope the right never takes power again.
An infant refers just to any very young human lol.
If I get my way, there won’t be any place for your kind to hide; a quick strike by the United States military would render all the NATO armed forces impotent.
“A very young child or baby”
Yeah, which includes the unborn lol
Nowhere in the English language is it said that humans must be born to be considered “children”.
@TheSpartan nowhere says the opposite also
Every human being is a lump of cells. Fuck, every multicellular organism is a lump of cells; that’s a meaningless red herring. Even Webster’s dictionary defines a child as an “unborn or recently born person”.
You gave it permission when you let a man cum in your vagina.
Okay, well, Websters’ is the one that matters. And you’re arguing semantics; we know the unborn are humans. Whether you want to call it infanticide or just regular old kinslaying is irreverent.
If you’d like to, we’ll call it filicide. it doesn’t change much.
Nope. I gave HIM permission to cum inside. I didn’t give a fetus permission to be there. If I did, I wouldn’t be getting an abortion. Logic, try it.
Not to me it doesn’t. And so are you lol I never said they weren’t human. I said they don’t matter to me and don’t have the right to occupy my body.
Are you saying you don’t understand cause and effect lmao? Sex evolved for the purpose of procreation; if you consented to sex, then you consented to procreation.
Amazing that you people claim to be “equal”; you’re vermin far beneath me.
Lmao you can’t think can you? I’ll put it simply.
When you go camping, you consent to experience nature. But that doesn’t mean you consent to being eaten by bears.
Just because I wanted sex, doesn’t mean I wanted pregnancy. It’s basic logic. Are you incapable of understanding, or is it you are only capable of casuistry and adhominem attacks?
Of course I’m capable of understanding; I understand that the purpose of sex is procreation. If you consent to sex, then you’re consenting to its sole purpose. The sole purpose of walking outside isn’t to be mauled by bears.
I’m smarter than you, so don’t try to hurl insults.
I consented to having sex. To having pleasure. I didn’t consent to getting pregnant. That’s a simple concept. I understand the biological purpose of sex, but that’s not my purpose.
You’re right finally! It isn’t to get mauled. But that follows your logic. You consent to an action and somehow that means you consent to all the possible outcomes.
You didn’t know that infanticide had to deal with infants lol give me a break.
You don’t get to decide on what the purpose of an action is lmao. Nature has and did. If you want sexual pleasure without consenting to pregnancy, then masturbate. You don’t get to “decide” on the purpose of an activity developed through millions of years of evolution any more than I get to “decide” that shooting someone between the eyes won’t kill them.
No, that doesn’t follow from my logic; I already explained way.
I do actually. I’m the one doing it. The nature of something and the purpose you assign it are two different things.
There’s a difference between sex for pleasure, and shooting someone.
It does. You said consenting to sex means in also consented to pregnancy. That follows the same logic as going camping and consenting to a bear attack.
Absolutely not. You cannot consent to only one aspect of an action—not more than you can consent to living in the United States but not to paying taxes. When you have sex, you have consented to allowing sperm enter your body; you have thus consented to fertilization of one of your egg cells, and thus, the creation of another human being inside you. Unless you were raped, you consented to this conception; either you’re being purposefully obtuse, or you don’t yet understand sex causes pregnancy.
No, again, the purpose of camping isn’t to be attacked by bears. The better example would be a duel; when you enter a duel, you are consenting to the purpose of the encounter: defeating or being defeated by your opponent with the possibility of death.
No, you’re not understanding cause and effect.
I understand, yes; you want to have your cake and eat it, too. You want to pleasant side effects of an action without any of the drawbacks; you want the rights without the responsibilities. You want the pleasure of sex without the duty that comes with not murdering your own blood and flushing them out of your uterus. So what? Plenty of inferior people want good stuff without the bad stuff that comes with it. You’re nothing new
Time for a litmus test my simian friend. If you pass, then we'll refer you as a sapian.
1). If a woman was diagnosed with a heart condition, while she was pregnant and the doctor's told her that her and the unborn child would most likely die before the baby had become viable for an incubator. If I was the husband, I wouldn't hesitate to save my wife. How about you? Think really hard.
www.businessinsider.com/us-anti-abortion-laws-woman-give-birth-baby-without-skull-2019-6
Just gonna leave this here
No they shouldn't be jailed and I think you only made this question to piss off people.
Child murderers, rapists, pimps, traffickers yes... Shoplifters those that didn't pay their council tax no
Why only punish the woman? What about the man who help her conceive the child?
That only makes sense if the man agreed to her getting an abortion. But if she hid it from him or aborted the child against his will then why should he go to jail?
@PinkMichae i'm actually referring to the asker question. It takes two to make a child.
I don't know. There're so many possibilities of how it could've happened. I don't like the thought of a mother killing their child but if it was created through rape or if she lives in a country that gets into war then maybe it's a good choice to not bear a child with psychological disorders.
Once this life is over, they'll have to stand before God and answer when He asks them where their children are.
I don't think they need to be punished in this lifetime, nothing we could ever do to them will be as terrible as what's waiting for them just on the other side of their last heartbeat.
That’s what happens when they don’t do a proper job! Good point
@Whocouldibe It just goes to show that every fetus is a real person, who will grow up someday and become somebody.
That's what you're snuffing out, not just a "clump of cells," because adults are clumps of cells too. Every multi-cellular organism is a clump of cells. You're snuffing out everything that person will ever do and ever be.
I don’t agree that abortion should be criminalized when it serves no consequences to anyone else’s life but the mother’s.
@Ellie-V
In Georgia, women can receive the death penalty for abortion.
nonprofitquarterly.org/.../
May 7, 2019; Slate
Five days ago, we published a story about Alabama’s new anti-abortion bill, which would incarcerate doctors who perform abortions at any stage of pregnancy for up to 99 years. Yesterday in Georgia, a bill was signed into law that would impose a life sentence—or even the death penalty—for women who elect to abort after a fetal heartbeat is detectable. Even if a woman goes out of state to avail herself of the procedure, she could be charged with conspiracy to murder, along with whoever has transported her.
The point was some take it past just being a fine or some jail time but to the max and actually worthy of death.
I'm not trying to hate of your beliefs but beliefs are that, beliefs. Not facts. There could exist a natural necessity that determined if abortion is moral or immoral but our beliefs is what we go by, not any potential necessary knowledge of it.
I’m aware of the extent to which abortion is criminalized.
The facts are that unborn lives. They live. They be.
The beliefs start rolling in on whether or not they are worth saving. I don’t agree with the “pro life” thing and many others do not agree with my “pro choice” thing. I don’t hate on anyone who opposes my position and I never accused you of that antagonistic behavior against me.
Still not seeing your point.
It’s pretty damn obvious that we make decisions and form opinions about most things based on feelings and not facts.
How can we even discuss this? I have a better idea, let's give men who rape women 100 USD reward never persecute them, and put women who have abortion in jail. But wait, then how will men continuously find women to rape? So better, let's not jail them, let's make them pay that 100 USD for men as reward for rape. I think this is the best!!!
Seriously, let's be over this. This is women's bodies. They have the right to decide. I am so shocked that in this century we discuss such ideas. Sad...
It's depend on her choice, if it all happened unexpectedly n if she is not ready to take responsibility then it's her choice, but when she knows she can manage everything, then doing abortion is definitely a sin.. Have faith in yourself everything will be okay if you accept three things in life... thats is what was happened, what is happening, and what will be happening.. Face it without fear 🚩
But first, all those guys that don't want to use preservatives or male birth control will have to be jailed for murder since they know very well that they might end up making a girl pregnant with the consequences that are implied in your question.
No they should not this is one of the stupidest arguments there is. Pro choice is the right thing. Pro life is backwards thinking.
Contraception doesn't always work, and pregnancy can occur through rape. Why would you want someone who has suffered being raped to then suffer for 9 months in which they have to go through another painful experience or labour to give birth to a kid that could be resented.
Also this doesn't protect those who would have complications in which both the mother and child could die and by you illogical argument that would be murder as well for failure to do anything to help.
And also at point should religion have anything to do with laws made?
As well as this those who consider it murder. At what point do you consider a person to classified as dead?
No, why should you? I mean, it's their body, their child. And if you were to jail them, shouldn't you also jail the people who helped them make the decision? Call me feminist or whatever, but I believe a woman should have a choice. I'm sure I wouldn't be happy if someone close to me got an abortion, but I would support their decision and I would be by their side. There's deffinitely a reason, why she doesn't want to keep the baby and I support that.
You’re an idiot. "No, why should you? I mean, it's their body, their child." that’s fucked up, how would you feel if you were for example 5 years old, then your mother decides she doesn’t want you anymore and she kills you. THAT’S MURDER. It’s murder just like abortion is, do you know how abortion is done? The baby’s body literally gets ripped apart when they pull it out, they use a sharp thing to make sure it’s grabbed and their legs and arms and everything breaks and they literally murder it, painfully. How did you imagine they do it? How is that not murder? Just cause this living being isn’t born yet doesn’t mean it’s not worthy to live, no matter what the mother thinks. And it shouldn’t be women’s decision to get abortions, it shouldn’t even be allowed.
I used to support abortion until I found out how they do it, and that it is a painful way and it’s disturbing and just terrible. It’s so sad, and women get their children killed just so they don’t have to deal with it, because it’s not the right ‘age’ for them, they’re not ready to grow up yet, or that they don’t love the father so they don’t wanna be stuck. Or that they don’t want more kids. There’s no excuse, even if you’re raped, it’s so much better to take care of the baby instead of giving up on it, women should care more about others, than themselves. Especially when it’s THEIR OWN CHILDREN.
I hope that some day it will be illegal to get abortions.
@Emmalouise03 there is clearly something wrong with you. There's some deep rooted hate in your message. You should seek therapy. I'll pay
@PeppermintQueen lol no I’m just more aware of abortion than this cunt. People who only think about themselves
@Emmalouise03 I'm mostly speaking about terminating early stage of pregnancy, the fetus is not ripped out. It's called medical abortion, the woman is given two pills (one that stops pregnancy, the other empties her uterus). Google it.
I get that you don't agree with me, and that's fine. Critisize my opinion as much as you want, but don't call me a selfish cunt who doesn't know a thing about this. Thank you.
Wow, no. That's to extreme. We have enough people in jail omg. We ganna jail the entire world and go broke for it. I don't believe in abortion, but i feel this is something we should just leave to the woman and the father. At the end of the day they got to live with the decision anyway. Only rule they should have is a time limit, at some point the baby becomes a recognized human.
The hell are you talking about, there's enough stupid in this world. Abortion is the only thing that is regulating how much stupid we're putting into the world.
Yeah OP really should of been part of that regulated minority
No I think all humans should do as they pleased. What happened to this being a free country? There is no such thing as free country anymore.
Like if a baker says no to making a gay wedding cake. They should have that right to say no.
Like my granddaughter got yelled at by her teacher for talking about God and church in school.
If someone wants to kill themselves. Its against the law. If they want to off themselves let them.
I want my freedoms back
Fuck no. Should men who refuse to wear a condominium be jailed?
Me too!
Nope. Also, miscarriage exists. There are plenty of cases where it is thought that a miscarriage was actually caused by the woman (i. e. abortion), whereas it wasn't.
Are we gonna send women for 50 years to jail for having a miscarriage?
I get the feeling that OP would say yes... but then OP has never been with a woman 🤫
you are really fishing
@Poormanscomedian Nah blud
No. I think people should have a choice. Even though I dont think I would ever have an abortion, I think others should be able to choose
Certainly not. Every woman has a right to make decisions about her own body. Your stance amounts to political totalitarianism.
Hell no. First off all, who the hell do you think you are telling another person what he can and cannot do to his own body and mind? If it is one thing, that everyone and i mean everyone, has their own right to, it is their own life.
Second of all... life is meaningless and has no value so just do what you want to do and stop worrying about everyone and everything else
Wow then we should jail everyone who don't use protection 😂😂😂
Abso fucking lutely not. I'm pro life but jailing is excessive.
Well no. Obviously not.
There are a million reasons for abortions too.
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