Pro lifers can you explain to me why women who get an abortion shouldn’t be going to prison along with the abortion doctor?

[Stoner710]

So I am pro life I view abortion as first degree murder. The women getting the abortion and the doctor preforming the abortion are both engaged in the planned murder of an unborn child. To me the women is just as guilty for the death of the child as the abortion doctor. So it would make sense to punish both the abortionist and the women who has the abortion because they are both involved in murdering the unborn child so like an accomplice to murder the accomplice would go to jail for murder so should the women who killed there unborn child in any other murder cases both parties would be going to jail. What makes this situation different?

[Soteris]

Pretty simple. Human life does not carry the value you think it does and every part of a fetus has a different analogue meaning that if you think it is murder then there are a large part of your body that you can't touch because it is functionally similar to a fetus and as such would make you a murderer by your own argument.

So yeah. So if the body itself, even if alive is not that special, what makes a baby into an actual baby? To make a very long conversation very much shorter, its your unique brain activity. Therefore before the fetus develops a functioning brain AND starts the brain activity which is not the same as the random signals it can accidentally trigger earlier in the development, it simply can't be considered a human without it and as such is perfectly fine to destroy.

In fact, as it is connected to the female body it is also very much just an extension of her and she therefore has the right to decide what happens to it before it becomes an independent person.

[Stoner710]

Ok by that argument would you limit abortion say at 3 months? The democrats in the United States want abortion up until the point of birth.

[Soteris]

I do not know. I am not a scientist myself. Last time I looked into this they were extremely conservative with their estimate of when a fetus developed the capability to become a person so there would be no chance of a mistake to happen.

Also Democrats do not want that. Stop lying.

[BCA6010]

I don't necessarily disagree, but the reason some existing and proposed laws are written that way is because it was exploited as a workaround at the state level. Until/unless it actually gets repealed though, it's not going to happen, and even after a repeal, most states still aren't going to outlaw abortion in full. The closest we'd likely see is a caveat that a mother who carries out the abortion on herself would get charged accordingly, while she would otherwise be treated as an accessory to murder rather than a murderer herself. It all sounds convoluted, but that's how law works.

[Stoner710]

Either way she should be getting prison time for murdering her unborn child. I know it’s most wipers don’t even mention the fact that the face and the woman is an accessory to murder.

[anon1903]

Depends on the state laws.

Abortion needs to be legalized. Contraceptives should be encouraged.

In your case, not your baby, not your lady, not your doctor, so not your problem.

[Smashingdoozy]

Eggs or chicken?

[888theGreat]

I have to protect babies and old people, both of which you want to kill. Babies body and choice. All life should be respected and preserved at all costs. Women should never decide who dies and who lives, that is God's job.

[Smashingdoozy]

What's in the photo sir? Is it an egg or a chicken?

[NorthwestRider]

@888theGreat Saudi Arabia would love you. This is a secular country you religious nutjob

[888theGreat]

chicken egg

[888theGreat]

@NorthwestRider This country was based on God and the bible. You are a fool. It will be too late when you are in Hell.

[Smashingdoozy]

@888theGreat eggs and chicken are two very different things right? Even though one comes from another?

[888theGreat]

There are bird eggs , Chicken eggs , ostridge eggs. So no, they are the same. Egg contains life. It is a small chicken that people eat. It is meat like the adult chicken.

[NorthwestRider]

@888theGreat You wish, the 1st amendment bans an official religion

[Smashingdoozy]

@888theGreat we're just talking about chicken eggs right now. Bare with me. Chicken eggs and chicken meat are very different yes? Don't taste alike nor do they look alike?

[888theGreat]

@NorthwestRider because of God's mercy. Laws made up the bible to battle bad behavior and US made laws when they formed country. Stealing in Bible wrong, Stealing here, wrong etc.

[888theGreat]

same DNA in different form , egg is underdeveloped chicken meat in liquid form. Chicken meat is more solid. Calf liver tastes different from cow liver, but they are both cows.

[Smashingdoozy]

@888theGreat what part of the egg do you think the chick grows from? Like yolk? White? Or elsewhere?

[Still-alive]

Hmm i had a few of eggs earlier... i guess im a monster. those poor chicken babies :o

[888theGreat]

people are not chickens , but we are not apes either. I can see you are confused by all the lies you have been told by by the liberal education system

[Smashingdoozy]

@888theGreat again bare with me and just answer the questions.

[888theGreat]

why waste my time with stupid comparisons?

[Smashingdoozy]

@888theGreat since you seemingly don't know neither the yolk or the white are where the chick comes from. If you crack an egg open in the yolk you will see a little white dot usually with a little umbilical cord. That is the actual egg where the chick grows from when fertilized. The yolk is the food source and the white is essentially amniotic fluid. So you can Essentially take out the tiny wee egg from the yolk and you are then not consuming chicken.

[Smashingdoozy]

@888theGreat anyways... Another question for you, again bare with me and please answer. At what point do you think life begins?

[888theGreat]

conception , when sperm enters egg

[Smashingdoozy]

@888theGreat okay, so to you a fertilized egg is the same as a say week old baby?

[Smashingdoozy]

*sigh,*

[888theGreat]

God said , (you know the one that is going to send you to HELL), said he knows you when Sperm hits that egg and he knows your name before your mom knows and what you will be in life, if not murdered by people like you. He knew you would reject him and would argue stupid points like comparing chickens to humans and loved killing babies. Did you cut organs out of live dogs when you were a kid or did you turn into a psychotic killer during college?

[Smashingdoozy]

@888theGreat you didn't answer my question. I told you to bare with me. I didn't ask what god thought. I'm asking what you think.

[888theGreat]

I am not getting bare with you , you might get pregnant and kill the baby. No guy should get bare with you

[Smashingdoozy]

@888theGreat okay I'll assume the answer is yes. You see a week old embryo and a week old baby as the same thing.

If you hypothetically put a week old (born) baby in a deep freeze. What would happen? Could you take it out 20 years later and have it continue growing?

[Smashingdoozy]

The answer is no by the way. The baby would die. A rather slow painful death at that, because it is a living thing. However, if you put a week old embryo into a deep freeze, and take it out 20 years later it will resume growing. Freezing an embryo makes it lay dormant... Much like bacteria. Infact exactly like bacteria.

[Wade12345]

@NorthwestRider the first amendment is not the founding document of the nation. the Declaration of Independence is the founding document and it credits God 5 different times 5 different ways.

[Smashingdoozy]

@Wade12345 who the fuck cares?
Separation of church and state.

[Wade12345]

The author of the Declaration was a Deist and didn't attend church. Neither do I.

God is not a church, but God does exist, and the Ten Commandments are dervivably through reason alone.

There's going to be an awful lot of baby murdering bitches waking up in Hell after they die here on Earth.

[Smashingdoozy]

@Wade12345 you're not very bright are you

[Wade12345]

I have 145 I. Q.

[Smashingdoozy]

@Wade12345 what's the first amendment Mr. 145 IQ

[Wade12345]

I know the First Amendment, and the truth is the First Amendment needs to be abolished.

[Wade12345]

I obey the First Commandment, not the First Amendment.

[Sevenpointfive]

if a woman is "pregnant" while murdered, no matter how far along, the murderer is guilty of two counts of murder. it does make sense that it is murder.

i am not pro life. but i see your point of view as valid

[Anonymous]

What about the father? Why is the man who is 50% responsible for the existence of that fetus, never mentioned?
It is equally his fault too. So they should all go to prison then.

[Stoner710]

Works for me send the father to prison as well don’t kill unborn babies. Men need to face punishment for the murder of there unborn child as well they are responsible for creating a baby they should also be responsible for the women murdering the child as well

[NorthwestRider]

I think abortions should be legal

The last time I check this is America not Iran or Saudi Arabia

[Stoner710]

No but we are murdering innocent babies. Even Iran or Saudi Arabia doesn’t murder there Unborn babies

[NorthwestRider]

We must have different laws than those barbaric nations. Maybe you can move there if you hate abortions. I am sure ISIS would welcome you 😂

[Stoner710]

I’m not Muslim so I wouldn’t be allowed to move to Saudi Arabia or Iran.

The United States is way more barbaric then any country in the world when it comes to abortion You can most European countries to three months even though that’s still wrong and it’s murder

[NorthwestRider]

Why have the same views as Muslims? Look at how Muslims are ruining their countries

[Stoner710]

Because the Muslims are correct in this case, Abortion is murder, murders should be going to jail.

[NorthwestRider]

Muslims are not correct, their views do not match up with Western views

[OddBeMe]

It’s all about bodily autonomy. Who has the power over their own body?

And what is a “person”? We unplug patients who are brain dead, and fetuses in the first trimester don’t even have one.

[Stoner710]

You don’t get to unplug somebody just because they’re mentally brain damage they might come back just like you don’t get to kill an unborn child. The only reason I believe execution is correct is in the case of first-degree murder you have actively planned out to kill somebody that’s essentially what abortion is

[OddBeMe]

Not brain damage. Brain dead.

[Stoner710]

So the solution is to let the brain dead person go peacefully and die and give them comfortable until they die peacefully there is a difference between killing a brain dead person and killing an unborn child that has a potential for a long life. My grandpa was in serious pain the nurse said if we give him more morphine he would surely die and we let him go peacefully and not in pain, imagine if we had removed both arms and legs while he could still feel pain and then crunched his skull. This is what happens in abortion.

Do me a favor subscribe to the dairy wire for 1 month and watch the documentary choosing death the legacy of Roe it’s worth the watch if your still pro choice after that I’ll give up the argument

[OddBeMe]

So I did, uncomfortably. Not because what they said was true, but because it’s complete bullshit.

99% of abortions are a pill women take to start their periods within the first 20 weeks. There’s no vomiting in hallways or dying babies left in bloody corners of planned parenthood.

[Stoner710]

That is late term abortion. The progressives want abortion up until the point of birth if you remember black face Ralph Norton former governor of Virginia wanted abortion even after birth. Unfortunately that view has trickled down to be a main view in the progressive part of the Democratic Party which make up a good 20% of the democrats. They mainly reside in 4 states the entire west coast and New York (they like to live in DC as well but DC isn’t a state easier for them to protest a friend in the capital

Now these are accounts form X abortion doctors who really preformed abortion abortion after 20 weeks are like what was described in the documentary. This is why conservatives say that the United States are most extreme on abortions most countries set the limit on abortion at 12 weeks like Germany France and England

[OddBeMe]

Late term abortions are so freakin rare they shouldn’t have a name. Doctors don’t do them unless the mother is dying or serious medical trouble.

There’s no baby half out of the womb being aborted. If the fetus is viable (midway in 3rd trimester) then no abortion is possible.

[Stoner710]

Depending on the state late term abortions are pretty common, are Alaska, Colorado, District of Columbia, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, Oregon, and Vermont. Washington has on the ballot to make late term abortion a regular thing same with California and New York. A lot of democrats want abortion up until 9 months however

[OddBeMe]

Absolute bullshit. Never common.

[Stoner710]

It’s massively common man in California it’s about 25% of all abortions

[OddBeMe]

weird cuz 90-95% of patients respond to the abortion pill. So not sure where you're getting your BS stats

[Wade12345]

abortion is premeditated murder.

[Stoner710]

Right so why not send the murders (mother abortion doctor Send a father to person as well he’s responsible for the creation and the murder of an innocent child)

[Wade12345]

i think those responsible should be put to death, not just prison.

[SunnyREDone]

Pro lifers are brainwashed fools

[Stoner710]

Pro death are brain washed fools. But at least we know you support the murder of innocent babies I mean you’re a guy does benefit you you can go have sex with some chick getting pregnant and she’s murders your child

[888theGreat]

It is murder , they will end up in Hell anyway.

[Leibstanrdarte]

condemn not yest thee be condemn