That only makes sense if the man agreed to her getting an abortion. But if she hid it from him or aborted the child against his will then why should he go to jail?
But first, all those guys that don't want to use preservatives or male birth control will have to be jailed for murder since they know very well that they might end up making a girl pregnant with the consequences that are implied in your question.
The hell are you talking about, there's enough stupid in this world. Abortion is the only thing that is regulating how much stupid we're putting into the world.
I don't know. There're so many possibilities of how it could've happened. I don't like the thought of a mother killing their child but if it was created through rape or if she lives in a country that gets into war then maybe it's a good choice to not bear a child with psychological disorders.
Once this life is over, they'll have to stand before God and answer when He asks them where their children are.
I don't think they need to be punished in this lifetime, nothing we could ever do to them will be as terrible as what's waiting for them just on the other side of their last heartbeat.
@Whocouldibe It just goes to show that every fetus is a real person, who will grow up someday and become somebody.
That's what you're snuffing out, not just a "clump of cells," because adults are clumps of cells too. Every multi-cellular organism is a clump of cells. You're snuffing out everything that person will ever do and ever be.
Five days ago, we published a story about Alabama’s new anti-abortion bill, which would incarcerate doctors who perform abortions at any stage of pregnancy for up to 99 years. Yesterday in Georgia, a bill was signed into law that would impose a life sentence—or even the death penalty—for women who elect to abort after a fetal heartbeat is detectable. Even if a woman goes out of state to avail herself of the procedure, she could be charged with conspiracy to murder, along with whoever has transported her.
Okay and? Everyone knows about that. My initial response still stands. I don’t agree that abortion SHOULD be criminalized—whether it’s actually enforced or not. So what is your point?
The point was some take it past just being a fine or some jail time but to the max and actually worthy of death.
I'm not trying to hate of your beliefs but beliefs are that, beliefs. Not facts. There could exist a natural necessity that determined if abortion is moral or immoral but our beliefs is what we go by, not any potential necessary knowledge of it.
I’m aware of the extent to which abortion is criminalized.
The facts are that unborn lives. They live. They be.
The beliefs start rolling in on whether or not they are worth saving. I don’t agree with the “pro life” thing and many others do not agree with my “pro choice” thing. I don’t hate on anyone who opposes my position and I never accused you of that antagonistic behavior against me.
Still not seeing your point. It’s pretty damn obvious that we make decisions and form opinions about most things based on feelings and not facts.
I dont agree that a "right to choose" justifies ending a life. Also isn't the left supposed to be against hierarchies? you're literally saying the mother is more valuable than the child. Thats a hierarchy.
How can we even discuss this? I have a better idea, let's give men who rape women 100 USD reward never persecute them, and put women who have abortion in jail. But wait, then how will men continuously find women to rape? So better, let's not jail them, let's make them pay that 100 USD for men as reward for rape. I think this is the best!!!
Seriously, let's be over this. This is women's bodies. They have the right to decide. I am so shocked that in this century we discuss such ideas. Sad...
It's depend on her choice, if it all happened unexpectedly n if she is not ready to take responsibility then it's her choice, but when she knows she can manage everything, then doing abortion is definitely a sin.. Have faith in yourself everything will be okay if you accept three things in life... thats is what was happened, what is happening, and what will be happening.. Face it without fear 🚩
Nope. Also, miscarriage exists. There are plenty of cases where it is thought that a miscarriage was actually caused by the woman (i. e. abortion), whereas it wasn't.
Are we gonna send women for 50 years to jail for having a miscarriage?
No they should not this is one of the stupidest arguments there is. Pro choice is the right thing. Pro life is backwards thinking.
Contraception doesn't always work, and pregnancy can occur through rape. Why would you want someone who has suffered being raped to then suffer for 9 months in which they have to go through another painful experience or labour to give birth to a kid that could be resented.
Also this doesn't protect those who would have complications in which both the mother and child could die and by you illogical argument that would be murder as well for failure to do anything to help.
And also at point should religion have anything to do with laws made?
As well as this those who consider it murder. At what point do you consider a person to classified as dead?
No, why should you? I mean, it's their body, their child. And if you were to jail them, shouldn't you also jail the people who helped them make the decision? Call me feminist or whatever, but I believe a woman should have a choice. I'm sure I wouldn't be happy if someone close to me got an abortion, but I would support their decision and I would be by their side. There's deffinitely a reason, why she doesn't want to keep the baby and I support that.
You’re an idiot. "No, why should you? I mean, it's their body, their child." that’s fucked up, how would you feel if you were for example 5 years old, then your mother decides she doesn’t want you anymore and she kills you. THAT’S MURDER. It’s murder just like abortion is, do you know how abortion is done? The baby’s body literally gets ripped apart when they pull it out, they use a sharp thing to make sure it’s grabbed and their legs and arms and everything breaks and they literally murder it, painfully. How did you imagine they do it? How is that not murder? Just cause this living being isn’t born yet doesn’t mean it’s not worthy to live, no matter what the mother thinks. And it shouldn’t be women’s decision to get abortions, it shouldn’t even be allowed. I used to support abortion until I found out how they do it, and that it is a painful way and it’s disturbing and just terrible. It’s so sad, and women get their children killed just so they don’t have to deal with it, because it’s not the right ‘age’ for them, they’re not ready to grow up yet, or that they don’t love the father so they don’t wanna be stuck. Or that they don’t want more kids. There’s no excuse, even if you’re raped, it’s so much better to take care of the baby instead of giving up on it, women should care more about others, than themselves. Especially when it’s THEIR OWN CHILDREN. I hope that some day it will be illegal to get abortions.
@Emmalouise03 I'm mostly speaking about terminating early stage of pregnancy, the fetus is not ripped out. It's called medical abortion, the woman is given two pills (one that stops pregnancy, the other empties her uterus). Google it.
I get that you don't agree with me, and that's fine. Critisize my opinion as much as you want, but don't call me a selfish cunt who doesn't know a thing about this. Thank you.
Wow, no. That's to extreme. We have enough people in jail omg. We ganna jail the entire world and go broke for it. I don't believe in abortion, but i feel this is something we should just leave to the woman and the father. At the end of the day they got to live with the decision anyway. Only rule they should have is a time limit, at some point the baby becomes a recognized human.
Hell no. First off all, who the hell do you think you are telling another person what he can and cannot do to his own body and mind? If it is one thing, that everyone and i mean everyone, has their own right to, it is their own life. Second of all... life is meaningless and has no value so just do what you want to do and stop worrying about everyone and everything else
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Why only punish the woman? What about the man who help her conceive the child?
That only makes sense if the man agreed to her getting an abortion. But if she hid it from him or aborted the child against his will then why should he go to jail?
@PinkMichae i'm actually referring to the asker question. It takes two to make a child.
But first, all those guys that don't want to use preservatives or male birth control will have to be jailed for murder since they know very well that they might end up making a girl pregnant with the consequences that are implied in your question.
The hell are you talking about, there's enough stupid in this world. Abortion is the only thing that is regulating how much stupid we're putting into the world.
Yeah OP really should of been part of that regulated minority
I don't know. There're so many possibilities of how it could've happened. I don't like the thought of a mother killing their child but if it was created through rape or if she lives in a country that gets into war then maybe it's a good choice to not bear a child with psychological disorders.
Think about it. Would you want to be the child of a rapist or born during war? Could you really deal with it?
Once this life is over, they'll have to stand before God and answer when He asks them where their children are.
I don't think they need to be punished in this lifetime, nothing we could ever do to them will be as terrible as what's waiting for them just on the other side of their last heartbeat.
That’s what happens when they don’t do a proper job! Good point
@Whocouldibe It just goes to show that every fetus is a real person, who will grow up someday and become somebody.
That's what you're snuffing out, not just a "clump of cells," because adults are clumps of cells too. Every multi-cellular organism is a clump of cells. You're snuffing out everything that person will ever do and ever be.
I don’t agree that abortion should be criminalized when it serves no consequences to anyone else’s life but the mother’s.
The babies
I don’t agree that their lives are more valuable or worth acknowledging over the people who created it
@Ellie-V
In Georgia, women can receive the death penalty for abortion.
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May 7, 2019; Slate
Five days ago, we published a story about Alabama’s new anti-abortion bill, which would incarcerate doctors who perform abortions at any stage of pregnancy for up to 99 years. Yesterday in Georgia, a bill was signed into law that would impose a life sentence—or even the death penalty—for women who elect to abort after a fetal heartbeat is detectable. Even if a woman goes out of state to avail herself of the procedure, she could be charged with conspiracy to murder, along with whoever has transported her.
Okay and? Everyone knows about that. My initial response still stands. I don’t agree that abortion SHOULD be criminalized—whether it’s actually enforced or not.
So what is your point?
The point was some take it past just being a fine or some jail time but to the max and actually worthy of death.
I'm not trying to hate of your beliefs but beliefs are that, beliefs. Not facts. There could exist a natural necessity that determined if abortion is moral or immoral but our beliefs is what we go by, not any potential necessary knowledge of it.
I’m aware of the extent to which abortion is criminalized.
The facts are that unborn lives. They live. They be.
The beliefs start rolling in on whether or not they are worth saving. I don’t agree with the “pro life” thing and many others do not agree with my “pro choice” thing. I don’t hate on anyone who opposes my position and I never accused you of that antagonistic behavior against me.
Still not seeing your point.
It’s pretty damn obvious that we make decisions and form opinions about most things based on feelings and not facts.
I dont agree that a "right to choose" justifies ending a life. Also isn't the left supposed to be against hierarchies? you're literally saying the mother is more valuable than the child. Thats a hierarchy.
I’m not a leftist and I’ve never claimed to be one, so stop assuming. Please and thank you.
Then what is your idelogy?
“Centrist”/“independent”
I hold some beliefs from the right and left and I choose to not align myself with either.
Okay care to let me know some of your right wing views?
I don’t believe in gun control, I don’t believe in raising taxes, Pro death penalty, I believe in stronger voting laws, and limited government
How can we even discuss this? I have a better idea, let's give men who rape women 100 USD reward never persecute them, and put women who have abortion in jail. But wait, then how will men continuously find women to rape? So better, let's not jail them, let's make them pay that 100 USD for men as reward for rape. I think this is the best!!!
Seriously, let's be over this. This is women's bodies. They have the right to decide. I am so shocked that in this century we discuss such ideas. Sad...
It's depend on her choice, if it all happened unexpectedly n if she is not ready to take responsibility then it's her choice, but when she knows she can manage everything, then doing abortion is definitely a sin.. Have faith in yourself everything will be okay if you accept three things in life... thats is what was happened, what is happening, and what will be happening.. Face it without fear 🚩
Nope. Also, miscarriage exists. There are plenty of cases where it is thought that a miscarriage was actually caused by the woman (i. e. abortion), whereas it wasn't.
Are we gonna send women for 50 years to jail for having a miscarriage?
I get the feeling that OP would say yes... but then OP has never been with a woman 🤫
you are really fishing
@Poormanscomedian Nah blud
No they should not this is one of the stupidest arguments there is. Pro choice is the right thing. Pro life is backwards thinking.
Contraception doesn't always work, and pregnancy can occur through rape. Why would you want someone who has suffered being raped to then suffer for 9 months in which they have to go through another painful experience or labour to give birth to a kid that could be resented.
Also this doesn't protect those who would have complications in which both the mother and child could die and by you illogical argument that would be murder as well for failure to do anything to help.
And also at point should religion have anything to do with laws made?
As well as this those who consider it murder. At what point do you consider a person to classified as dead?
No, why should you? I mean, it's their body, their child. And if you were to jail them, shouldn't you also jail the people who helped them make the decision? Call me feminist or whatever, but I believe a woman should have a choice. I'm sure I wouldn't be happy if someone close to me got an abortion, but I would support their decision and I would be by their side. There's deffinitely a reason, why she doesn't want to keep the baby and I support that.
You’re an idiot. "No, why should you? I mean, it's their body, their child." that’s fucked up, how would you feel if you were for example 5 years old, then your mother decides she doesn’t want you anymore and she kills you. THAT’S MURDER. It’s murder just like abortion is, do you know how abortion is done? The baby’s body literally gets ripped apart when they pull it out, they use a sharp thing to make sure it’s grabbed and their legs and arms and everything breaks and they literally murder it, painfully. How did you imagine they do it? How is that not murder? Just cause this living being isn’t born yet doesn’t mean it’s not worthy to live, no matter what the mother thinks. And it shouldn’t be women’s decision to get abortions, it shouldn’t even be allowed.
I used to support abortion until I found out how they do it, and that it is a painful way and it’s disturbing and just terrible. It’s so sad, and women get their children killed just so they don’t have to deal with it, because it’s not the right ‘age’ for them, they’re not ready to grow up yet, or that they don’t love the father so they don’t wanna be stuck. Or that they don’t want more kids. There’s no excuse, even if you’re raped, it’s so much better to take care of the baby instead of giving up on it, women should care more about others, than themselves. Especially when it’s THEIR OWN CHILDREN.
I hope that some day it will be illegal to get abortions.
@Emmalouise03 there is clearly something wrong with you. There's some deep rooted hate in your message. You should seek therapy. I'll pay
@PeppermintQueen lol no I’m just more aware of abortion than this cunt. People who only think about themselves
@Emmalouise03 I'm mostly speaking about terminating early stage of pregnancy, the fetus is not ripped out. It's called medical abortion, the woman is given two pills (one that stops pregnancy, the other empties her uterus). Google it.
I get that you don't agree with me, and that's fine. Critisize my opinion as much as you want, but don't call me a selfish cunt who doesn't know a thing about this. Thank you.
Wow, no. That's to extreme. We have enough people in jail omg. We ganna jail the entire world and go broke for it. I don't believe in abortion, but i feel this is something we should just leave to the woman and the father. At the end of the day they got to live with the decision anyway. Only rule they should have is a time limit, at some point the baby becomes a recognized human.
Certainly not. Every woman has a right to make decisions about her own body. Your stance amounts to political totalitarianism.
No I think all humans should do as they pleased. What happened to this being a free country? There is no such thing as free country anymore.
Like if a baker says no to making a gay wedding cake. They should have that right to say no.
Like my granddaughter got yelled at by her teacher for talking about God and church in school.
If someone wants to kill themselves. Its against the law. If they want to off themselves let them.
I want my freedoms back
Fuck no. Should men who refuse to wear a condominium be jailed?
Condom*
I would look fabulous wearing a condominium
Me too!
No. I think people should have a choice. Even though I dont think I would ever have an abortion, I think others should be able to choose
Well no. Obviously not.
There are a million reasons for abortions too.
Hell no. First off all, who the hell do you think you are telling another person what he can and cannot do to his own body and mind? If it is one thing, that everyone and i mean everyone, has their own right to, it is their own life.
Second of all... life is meaningless and has no value so just do what you want to do and stop worrying about everyone and everything else
Wow then we should jail everyone who don't use protection 😂😂😂
Abso fucking lutely not. I'm pro life but jailing is excessive.