Do women have too many options in 2019?

[Anonymous]

They own the dating world and they always want something more than what they already have

Yes they do

No I don't think they do

[centerline]

no.. they have no more options than men...

what the problem is, is that in todays society, almost everyone is looking for a ken or barbie, but yet they themselves are looking quite overweight and dumpy... and seemingly proud of it.

then, most of the good looking, attractive people feel they are above average and are over confident or uppity, which causes them have an ugly personality...

the internet gives all of us so many options now, and as a kind of decent type of guy who has dated a LOT, I can honestly say that it is probably harder for a good woman to find a good and acceptable man, than it is for a guy to find a girl that he can love and fulfill his fantasies...

when i was dating, my only complaint was people who are looking for a "10", but feel whoever they meet should accept them as they are less than a 5, because they dont want to go through the efforts to keep themselves up to the 8,9 or 10 that they could potentially be...
and manners, if one doesn't have at least a minimum of manners, even a 10 is an embarrassment to us... you could be a friends with benefits but we wouldn't want to live with you or take you anywhere...

I am a long way from perfect myself, but I have no problem getting a girl to like me, and I can only believe its because I know I have faults and I am continually working on them and trying to be a better person... when one believes that "good enough" is really good enough, they are headed downhill... always, do your best to be a better version of yourself tomorrow, and dont worry about impressing someone else, but only try to impress yourself with how much you can change for the better, and soon you will be attracting many of those that can recognize "quality" in a person...

[esotericstory]

Women in dating suffer from the same thing as people in investing. Too much investment options are pushed into your face. Therefore there is a fear of missing out. A fear that a better option might come along after you have made an investment. Thus investors may become anxious at the thought of missing better opportunities to make money. Just like many women in modern dating who can never truly attach themselves to a single partner. They might leave him as soon as they think they have a better option available.

[Anonymous]

Real question: who wants less in life? Do you? People who make millions a year, still want to be richer than they are. There is no such thing as too many options only people who refuse to take them or make a path for themselves in life. No guy I know is simply just satisfied being at point A, let alone any woman. We are all reaching for more and trying to climb ladders to get to tops, and reach beyond those points as far as we think we can go. The dating world is not a one way street, it only works with all players on the board so if you want more, you learn to find a way to take or get more, but if you don't, then you sit back and complain. Historically women have never held the reigns on most things having to do with society---so now that you perceive the tides to be turned---is it only now that it's a problem?

[Ellie-V]

I’ve always found that kind of thinking to be hilarious. How do people have too many options (regarding dating)? What are we supposed to do, SHARE those options? You guys want to have the option to date other men too? 😂 I mean... no one is stopping you 👀

[6ada6ing]

No, it's more like you hold a hell of a lot of unacknowledged power. But society keeps putting men down and telling them they're domineering and disgusting and horrible.

[Ellie-V]

Power is usually given by the masses. No one is forcing dudes to be thirsty 😂
I really cannot help it that more guys are willing to check for me than girls are willing to check for the dude beside me. I never created that problem and it is not something I will ever take accountability for because I am not out here coercing men to like me. That’s just you people! Why do you want women to acknowledge something that is not in their control?
Where is the solution in that? Are women supposed to throw themselves at every dick now just level the playing field? NO. Just get yourself some standards 😂 people will judge you for it like women are judged for it. It will be fine, at the end of the day it will be fair and y’all won’t have anything to complain about.

[6ada6ing]

You don't seem to understand how nature works. It produces a redundancy of men who then get whittled down to the "fittest", and women then choose to mate with a subset of those men.

If I raise my standards, no woman is even going to notice, because even a 330 pound has a full inbox.

Also, I was not complaining about you. It's not like I expect women to change. I was complaining about society and the pretense that women are victims and that men are all powerful abusers. It's no mystery that it seems that way to women, because powerful men are the only ones they notice.

[Ellie-V]

Yeah... that last paragraph (which I guess was the point you were trying to make) didn’t have anything to do with my original post. But okay dude 😂

[6ada6ing]

You're like a rich person laughing at poor people's problems.

[Ellie-V]

Your point didn’t make any sense in relation to my opinion.

But whatever. Feel how you feel. I don’t care. Have a nice night ☺️

[6ada6ing]

Your original opinion just made fun of his question. By the way, don't you find rape and period cramps and domestic violence absolutely hilarious? Hardi fucking ha.

[Ellie-V]

Lack of a dating/sex life doesn’t equal to those other things you listed. Whether you’re a man or woman, your ability to get laid is irrelevant.

And yes. I do find it funny. A lot of guys and girls tend to complain about these things but offer up NO solutions for themselves.

The solution is to find more productive things to do with your life instead of obsessing about sex or dating. Read a book or climb a tree. Something.

[6ada6ing]

Yes, sex is entirely irrelevant for a sexually reproducing species. That makes total sense. You should go tell male deer to chill out and stop locking antlers. Or male birds to stop singing. Because sex and love are totally irrelevant.

[MzAsh]

Women were clearly meant to own the sexual market. It is what it is.

[GD360]

This ain't shark tank lol. No one owns anything. You want the D as much as we want that kitty

[MzAsh]

How do male options compare to female options? Men chase. Women choose.

[Armourdillo]

you're def the same type of asshole to say "OMGMGMGMGMGMGMMG I HAVE IT SOOOOOOOOOO HARD NO ONE LOAVES ME GIMMIE ATTENTION CUZ IM A GURRRRRRL"

[MzAsh]

Lol are you done?

[JDavid25]

@MzAsh I like how you just let him go on a rant... LMAO... XD... I mean it's normal, but I don't know why this just had be crackin up..

[MzAsh]

Haha you should have seen him in my inbox too. He was losing it. I was eating dinner and next thing I know I have like 7 messages from this guy who I’ve never seen before.

[JDavid25]

LMAO.. XD... SMH... You just relaxin eatin dinner, and he blowin up yo messages talkin sh! t.. XD...

[bamesjond0069]

@MzAsh - Men have tons of options. The thing is women lose options as they age, men gain options as they age. I had much less options as an 18 year old vs now as a 32 year old. Now I joke around because every single date I go on, the girl always wants me. I don't think a girl has called it off on me ever in the past like 2 years after we go on an official date. So now I get to be picky as all hell and toss off any girl that doesn't fully meet my qualifications.

[MzAsh]

The average 32 year old man still has to try harder than the average 32 year old female.

[GD360]

Ehh wrong.

[bamesjond0069]

@MzAsh - Yeah. where do you get that from? Plus do you mean tries for casual sex or tries for a long term stable marriage? Any woman of any age can find a penis for a night. If thats what you are into, then sure, you are right.

[MzAsh]

Very few men are actually pull off gaining more value as they age. What happens to most is they get fatter, or least those party years start showing in a beer gut. Their bodies start breaking down due to the years of manual labor. And their attitude towards women and society becomes bitter. The only men who can escape this are the pampered rich kids who’ve always had the money and resources handed their them. And celebrities like Clooney.

[MzAsh]

No decent woman wants anything to do with these kinda men who are pissing and meaning about feminism, liberalism, how they were rejected in their 20s, or how hard they had to work to make enough money so an attractive woman will give them the time of day. That’s called incel and mgtow mentality and it’s becoming the norm.

[GD360]

True, I'm not that way though. So you can't generalize

[bamesjond0069]

@MzAsh - Most men don't gain value, you are right. The ones everyone wants do though. I think of it like this, the best men are the top of the pyramid, pretty much all women are the middle of the pyramid, and last is all other men. I only know myself and at 32, physically attractive and athletic, financially stable, not divorced and no kids, I feel like I have my pick either on a casual level or for serious dating, I feel like anything I desire is available to me in terms of women. I am better looking than when I was younger, make more money, and a track record of not making bad choices ie divorces, jail, bankruptcy... literally everything is better for me now so yeah I am much more desirable now than when I was younger.

And yes, only decent women like men who think feminism and liberalism is garbage. My current girl I am dating is 10 years younger than me and is traditional as you can get, hates liberal agenda as much as I do and we joke about how I am going to keep her barefoot and pregnant in my kitchen if she sticks around much longer and she loves it.

[MzAsh]

I’m glad you have figured things out for yourself. I have too. And when I mentioned feminism, I suppose it depends on how much you let it affect your life. I’m have my own criticisms about certain aspects of feminism but I’d never be with someone who spends their day bitching about it or anything really. Extremists on either end of the spectrum aren’t going to be pleasant partners.

[esotericstory]

If one sex would choose the other in human species then there would be considerable sex differences between men and women similar to peacocks feathers or lion's manes but thats not the case.

Its since been scientifically proven that overloading choices increases anxiety. Women having so much choices is more of a detriment than a benefit.

[bamesjond0069]

@MzAsh - I wouldn't want to be with someone who didn't absolutely hate feminism. There is nothing good about it and it is morally wrong. It pushes women to throw away everything attractive about themselves and then leaves them left holding the bag when no decent men want them. The ideal attractive woman for the majority of men (especially desirable ones) is a young, debt free, virgin in good health. Thanks to feminism, women are taught not to settle down while nearly as young, mostly saddled with debt, have slept around a bunch, and many are overweight. Thus they have little to nothing left to offer leaving them only acceptable for undesirable men and men looking for casual sex. Many women agree with this and tbh its harder to find other attributes than women who hate feminism. Most women hate feminism.

[MzAsh]

Bames, this isn’t about you. This is about the fundamentals. And many men aren't like you. Your personal preferences or experiences mean absolutely nothing here.

[MzAsh]

today.yougov.com/.../feminism-american-women-2018

[MzAsh]

The actual stats.

[bamesjond0069]

@MzAsh yeah so? Only 38% of women are feminist. So yeah its easier to find non feminist women than feminist. Also, in places like NY and Cali im sure its like 70% are feminist. Where I live in a conservative state and area we only voted like 7% for Hillary so id bet there is far less than 38% feminist women here.

Sure many men aren't like me. They are old fat poor dudes. But usually women are more interested in the kind of man i am and that i can speak to. There is a reason why rich old men get hot young women. Rich men have a large selection and often go for the more youthful virginal ones available. See all of history.

[MzAsh]

There you go, talking about yourself again.

[bamesjond0069]

Which part is about me all the rest of the country where its mostly far less than 38% which is already less than half? Or where i said see all rich men in history?

[MzAsh]

The part where you talk about living in a conservative state and how men who aren’t like you must be poor fat dudes. None of this is relevant information.

[bamesjond0069]

Well this is more of a conversation but i suppose if you feel like this is scientific research we can talk strictly about "subject A" female and such. That seems pretty boring to limit it to that with no personal embellishments.

[MzAsh]

I see. Well, I live in state of SC. Came here from the Midwest because I was bored and trying to move on from losing my mom. My man of 12 years supported the idea and we moved together. I have family here so it made sense.

“The south” isn’t really my thing because I’m pretty liberal. I came here for the family I have here, the beach house, the warmer weather, more to do even though it’s mostly touristy things, and the chance to be a professional fire performer which I made happen (see profile pic).

This area isn’t his thing so when we’re ready we’ll prob head either to the east coast or just travel for a couple years.

We’re both pretty untraditional and liberal. I love the fact that he’s an egalitarian like myself. I don’t care what other people do, but I know there’s no way I’d be happy being put in the role of a trad wife. That’s just me. And he’s cool and even prefers that. If not, he knows I could have any man I wanted to marry me immediately. But he’s loyal and so am I. We’re not super rich but that’s ok. I’ve dated rich men. They are overrated. Only pickme girls are interested in men for their money and status. I’m more about a man’s attitude and behavior. Besides It’s much easier for me to make to make my own money that I decide where or how it comes and goes.

[MzAsh]

I meant head to the west coast.

[bamesjond0069]

@MzAsh - "If not, he knows I could have any man I wanted to marry me immediately." Wow wtf, who says shit like this? lmao. I bet your poop smells like flowers, oh wait, I bet you don't even poop at all. LOL. Girl you crazy.

[MzAsh]

It’s just the truth. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[bamesjond0069]

@MzAsh - you must aim pretty low then. No man or woman worth having would jump head over heels for someone like that.

[MzAsh]

You’d be surprised.

[JDavid25]

"he knows I could have any man I wanted to marry me immediately"... I'm sorry but nobody in life could have anybody they wanted.. 😅😅😂..

[bamesjond0069]

@JDavid25 Yes they can if they aim super super low. She likes liberal men, so the standards are be a beta and let her walk all over you, so obviously she has her picking if thats her only major requirement.

Hey I could have my picking of any girl to marry me... if by any I happened to only be attracted to druggie skank girls. Shit.

[MzAsh]

Who said anything about letting me walk all over him?

[bamesjond0069]

@MzAsh - that is the basis for ALL liberal, egalitarian, feminist style relationships. Men give up the things that men universally prefer to accommodate the womans desires. That is never equal its a mans submission to a woman. That is beta asf and you are definitely walking all over him.

In my experience, nobody loves traditional men more than liberal women. It is literally a well known fetish that all these egalitarian housewives go nuts for traditional men to dominate them in all the traditional ways. Meanwhile hubby is at home doing the laundry. I am not saying you cheat or anything.

I just don't see how any decent man would ever choose an egalitarian relationship unless he was desperate because its pretty universally known that it blows in about 20 different ways. Desperate = beta willing to be walked over

[MzAsh]

We’ve lasted 12 years. I understand that egalitarian relationships aren’t going to be for everyone. That’s fine with me. They can do what they want as long as we can as well.

[bamesjond0069]

@MzAsh - I never said they wouldn't work for everyone, because they only work for beta men. And beta men are men who aren't desirable enough by the general population to have lots of options and thus they are desperate.

It's not possible for it to ever work with alpha men by definition basically. ie cars drive on roads, if a car is driving on an ocean I guarantee its not a car but a boat and you are mistaken

[MzAsh]

As if the general population knows a damn about what they are doing. They don’t. Most of them end up divorced, estranged, or cheating. They’re not any kind of standard they look up to.

[bamesjond0069]

@MzAsh - my point exactly. if he can't even get them... how can he get someone exceptional? Just the first thing that comes to my mind. All I know is an exceptional girl is my first choice, keeping a small harem is my second choice, being single and just occasionally hooking up with girls is my third choice and an egalitarian liberal type relationship is my last choice but also unacceptable. Most men mostly agree with this because men generally have very similar/the same motivations. So I really wonder about the kind of man who would accept such a thing. The only explanation is that he is a desperate beta. That explains it.

[MzAsh]

I’ve dated enough guys in my 20s to know my man now is better than the rest.

[bamesjond0069]

@MzAsh - yes better at obeying you than the rest. I get it. And it works for you guys. Congrats. But by all measurable means, he isn't the richest, the hottest, a leader of men to greatness, the most intelligent or some combination of things like that. So we will all just take your word he is the best. If he really was the best though, wouldn't he choose someone who didn't put him in 2nd place? Wouldn't he have too much self respect to be in an egalitarian relationship?

[MzAsh]

Nope.

[bamesjond0069]

@MzAsh - and that is where nobody in the world will believe you. It would be like if I told you "Women prefer men with no penis" you would rightly be like "Ummm wtf no" there are certain things that are universally desired, and it sounds just as nuts that any man with a choice would choose such a thing. completely ridiculous.

[MzAsh]

You know, performing isn’t my only job. I’m also a relationship consultant. And many women and men come to me for advice. Why? Because I have what they want. A long lasting, drama free marriage. Evidently, people do believe me and trust that I know what I’m doing.

[Anonymous]

Well I don't think having options should be bad. The problem is really the *disparity* in options.
Woman have pretty much throughout most of our history had the upper hand in the realm of sexuality and courting. And with modern technology that upper hand has become an overwhelming force. We've force that gap even wider and that's not good for social cohesion.

So again, I'd say the problem isn't having options, it's having a disparity in options. Whether people had few or many options, having the options be similar would be wholesome. But having it be so limited for some and so plentiful for others causes social fracturing in society.

[wankiam]

its no different to any othe period in time, just the methods of meeting up have changed slightly but if you think the internet is the biggest game changer ever i would point you to the invention of the bicycle which also lead a minor revolution in ways we would meet each other

[Truthatanycost]

They own the dating world only because most men are thirsty and desperate. If a man has standards, boundaries and does not put up with shit, it wouldn't matter who 'owns' the dating world. The thirst is what keeps many men at the mercy of their own desperation.

It's like that gamer girl selling her bathwater... if there were no simps buying it, her stinky bath water wouldn't hold any fiscal power.

[White-American89]

Yes. If you had 50 women and 50 guy, the 50 women will all have slept or dated mostly with the top 5 guys out of those 50 guys. There lies the problem that average and below average women over value themselves because guys from the top 10% pumped and dumped so they think they are more attractive than what they are.

[Cask23]

Yes, women mate for social-economic status. That means the entire cohort of women target the top quartile of men. A small number of men get all the pu$$y.

This also means that in a bell curve distribution of female beauty a large number of average females are getting pumped and dumped by a top quartile guy. This leads to overinflated expectations of average looking females. These women think of they once got a top quartile guy to give them attention and bang them once, they deserve top quartile men all the time.

[White-American89]

@Cask23 exactly right.

[ImagineSketchy]

I wouldn't say too many options... But they (generally speaking) have a much larger set of options than their sexual counterparts (males) do. The thing is, even if they wanted more, men won't stop trying to find a woman that wants them because the human race "must" go on. If we just gave up as a race (humans) then bye bye homosapiens. It isn't going to happen.

[FunkyMonkee]

Nearly every sex toy ever made was for them. Then there's things like Ladies Night where, as long as you were born with a slit between your legs, you get free drinks, free admission, free this, free that. Talk about sexism!!! It's not MY fault I have a dick!! Why can't I get free stuff, too?

[Texaskid1]

Women have way too many options in 2019.
However , I have been thinking about starting a new movement that will empower women everywhere. I call it:

Take Back the Kitchen.

I encourage women every where to join. Twitter hashtag coming soon!!!

[winterfox10]

I don't think it's that they have so many options. I think the problem is that people our age are simply focused on other things. Many of us still think that hysterical delusion that whether or not we succeed in our career, has anything to do with us. Once you realize that 75% of your success is because of luck, all those little qualms about entering a romantic relationship just fall away.

[Cask23]

What you described is called hypergamy, and yes it is a strong dynamic in the modern dating market.

Unlike the 50-60's where women were mostly stay at home wives, modern women graduate from college and have careers. That means they are no longer tethered to a man early on for security. A modern women can date and date and date constantly trying to move upwards in mate social-economic status.

Remember, men date for beauty and fertility; women date for social-economic status.

[Anonymous]

Some women definitely think they’re above all women and also above all men.
That sadly brings down good women.

But personally I believe they do, it’s always the guys that has to ask women out, and everything is apparently the mans job, and if the man fucks up the woman won’t give the man a second chance.
Men are very horny creatures, but oh boy oh boy women are probably worse. Just in the end it’s usually down to what the woman want.

[TheFlak38]

The entire system is catering to their vagina. And they're still not happy. Any woman that claims to be single and lonely is a spoiled brat, like a little girl in a candy shop having no idea what the fuck to buy.

[motownplayer2000]

Too many options... probably.. they don't own anything... they are given too much power because men worship the pussy far too much! And that's were men run into this problem. If we just chase the money, and work on bettering ourselves, we become free from all that.. you men will be the choosers.. don't need a woman to be happy, they are great compliments, but not a necessity

[AcidT0y]

Nah, it's not that difficult for guys if they know what they're doing. I feel like a lot of the dudes who feel this way would do would have no problem if they just went out and paid attention to the guys who are doing well with women.

Because they're not all ripped dudes with money. Success is attainable if you just pay attention to what works.

[Anonymous]

If you view it that way, yeah women have options. But in reality men hold the cards. All you have to do is pretend you aren't interested and they come running. Women can't handle that a man dare not be interested in her and will be desperate to change his mind.

[Asker]

I've yet to see that

[SexyAshh]

Men and women both have a lot of options.

I mean of course us better looking will have about double theirs but thats just the way it is

[BestUserName100]

Yeah probably that’s why they don’t wanna not stay single and commit. They wanna keep having fun use the nice guy and sleep with all the other people who are similar minded and just all about being single.

[HOAAH]

It's still hard for some women to find a decent guy to marry. There's a lot of them that don't get married and have kids, lots who get married and have kids with the wrong guy who hurts them etc.

[Xoirwinkan]

For decent women it can be hard. For sluts its not.

[bamesjond0069]

@Xoirwinkan Whoa. So wrong. Decent girls can find decent guys. Decent guys run away from sluts, so sluts always end up alone (or casual flings forever) or get married with the wrong man because they only have wrong men to choose from. Most men are wrong by the way.

[jennifer_bloom]

It should not matter cause what matters is the qualify of their marriage and the quality of their children and the quality of their jobs - being able to date whoever you want is pointless.

[JazzHands]

welp sorry dude but thats how it is in the wild too. Females seek out the strongest males and ignore all the wimpy ones.