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Are you pro life or pro choice? (Page 2)
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I’m for population control so abortion is fine by me
Yeah you are for population control. That is until they come for you. And don't think that's not in their plans. Let's see of your tune changes then.
@MzAsh- Will you pray for the souls of millions of people who were never given a chance st life?
@Asker/ While I understand your point and mostly agree with you you should be cognizant of the fact that no one who runs for an elected office can allow or not allow something like that it literally takes an act of Congress to make those kinds of changes so the premise of your question really has no actual standing
I was being a smart ass to the holy roller in the house.
I'm pro abortion.
Why? Because that is the conclusion you arrive at when you posses common sense.
I'm proudly pro-life because I believe that babies in the womb are just as important as a person outside of it
I don't believe that most people who have been born are important so a fetus to me they might as well vacuum it out.
@MAINEVENTMAFlA I don't care what you believe.
@jesseJayNeak Totally agree
You can not care what I believe but sane people believe abortion is fine. It is the psycho nutjobs who protest and bomb abortion clinics.
@MAINEVENTMAFlA tell me how abortion is sane?
Because it is fucking insane to tell another human being what to do in that situation. If you are going to try to tell them then you better have money to give them or a home for the baby because how they gonna pay for it if they can't?
@MAINEVENTMAFlA there's still adoption
Yea and all the kids who never find a home they become 18 and are never adopted and it happens a lot. Put a woman through giving birth which can also end in complications because you are butt hurt that she wants to rid of the baby?
@MAINEVENTMAFlA and you want to get rid of a developing baby cause you're a deadbeat
By law a fetus is not a baby and by law abortion is illegal and if you think it will ever not be you are nuts.
abortion is legal* typo sorry
@MAINEVENTMAFlA by law is not. But it is by science. And federal law doesn't define law of physics or science in general.
‘It is by science’ lmao. Science doesn’t go beyond saying that these cells inside a human woman are probably also human and multiplying. Fetus is just a stage of development.
@victoriaxoxo In that case I guess if any guy masturbates and shoots it into a tissue he is killing a baby too right? Since the semen helps make the fetus. If these psycho anti-abortion people wanna get technical lol.
@victoriaxoxo and this stage of development, by time, it develops its own blood, its own organs and immunity system
@MAINEVENTMAFlA so I'm a psycho because I don't agree with what you say? OK...
@MAINEVENTMAFlA and, in this conversation, did I ever call you a psycho because you're pro-choice?
Pro choice for the right reasons.
What are the wrong reasons lol
Pro-Life. I don't think I would support making abortions illegal, however definitely support women paying for them. A hefty amount as well.
Only if men contribute to at least 50% of the cost.
@victoriaxoxo I am not sure about that. In fact I think it's a bad idea. Women will simply place the financial burden on the men and continue taking as much responsibility as they do now.
By having women pay all of it or most of it this makes it clear that the woman is responsible for her own actions. If she doesn't want to pay, then it her sole responsibility to ensure she is not impregnated. No blaming society, men, biology, or anything else.
Pedophiles can blame society and biology for their desire to do monstrous things to children, but I am sure we both agree that their feelings mean little more than shit when compared to the need to keep a child safe. Thus, we put the responsibility on the individual pedophile: he/she must control themselves or else.
And by the way, why should men contribute "at least 50%"? I understand the argument for 50%, but "at least"?
You mean that a woman is responsible for her actions as well as the mans?
50% or more as usually it is men who are against using condoms.
@victoriaxoxo It doesn't matter what the man wants. It is HER responsibility to not be impregnated if she does not wish to be. Because abortion or not it is she who carries the physical burden. Therefore, if the man says "no condom" then the appropriate response would be "well then no sex".
The woman is responsible for her own biology is what I am saying. A woman knows she can be impregnated, which makes principally makes it her responsibility to avoid being so.
I don't see how condom use is an argument of at least 50%. To me it seems you expect men to shoulder the financial cost because while you believe in the general idea of equality, as most people do, you do not want to take equal responsibility for the consequences of sex.
I mean ok maybe you have a problem with the 50%+ which is fair enough. Perhaps it is better for it to be 50:50. Much of the + was added by me as a reaction to the general lack of care men show towards risks related to unprotected sex. There is a tendency to blame everything on the woman.
I don’t completely understand why the woman should bear the burden. I mean if the condom rips for example, why is it the woman who is to blame? Surely it takes two to tango. And my point about men not wanting to use condoms is still very realistic as many men go to great lengths to persuade women not to use a condom. You forget we are also human. At most we can only be equally at fault if we succumb to persuasion and desire?
@Naydyonov. If women are put off from abortion due to cost, the guy will end up paying for the baby anyway (along with the government) .
@victoriaxoxo
It does take two to tango. But tell me, do you think it is more likely that a man or a woman will practice and ensure safe sex to avoid the chance of paying money for the woman's abortion?
I would say the woman. Because money is money, but it is the woman risking her health.
Regarding persuasion: it is a shit ploy. But there is a solution: ditch the asshole.
Why not? Is this a good guy to be with if he is so willing to risk such things? If he has no regard for what a woman wants?
If women want to ensure they are not impregnated or are impregnated but have the support of the man, they should have sex with good, decent men. As this makes it much more likely that the man will stay and support the woman emotionally, financially, and with time.
@madgoat Is that a bad thing? In half the world's countries more children are needed.
Equally, normal people love their children. My great grandmother had a child during a world war. Why was she thinking of getting an abortion? So then she could stay at the front and help wounded soldiers. My great grandfather told her to have the child because she would be the future.
The USSR was starving at the time, not rich in material goods of any kind. Diapers? No. Clothes? No. One person to a room? No — ten.
Right now is the best time in history to have children. The child will be born with human rights, the best healthcare ever, protection by a police force and military, live in a place that has paved roads, satellite connection and wifi; the child could receive financial support from the government if needed. The child will have access to education: schools at the minimum. Libraries, community centers. Jobs that at the worst still ensure they won't die of starvation.
For the child a life nowadays would be nothing bad. The only bad thing about a child for society is the fact that the woman would be inconvenienced from a consequence of sex she was well aware of.
If anything she can give up the child to adoption. This will allow the child to have a life and will allow her to potentially take back the child if she realizes, after a few years or months, that she wants to take care of him or her.
Im pro choice. A mother should be able to choose if she wants to give birth or not. The woman is at risk, and a lot of people would be better off not being born into modern day Earth anyway.
Doctors and family are allowed to make decisions if and when women are in danger due to pregnancy already. And since when does anyone else get to decide that a lot of people would be better off murdered than to live on modern day earth? What is someone else decided to make that choice for you? Would you be OK with that? No? I didn't think so.
I really would be ok not existing. Shit is fucked all over the world. People in some areas are starving, the economy and environment is crumbling, prisons are overcrowded. In most situations you're just saving someone from a lifetime of struggle. Most mothers aren't going to abort a baby if they feel like they can provide it with a happy life, only the unfortunate ones will die.
Pro choice. I’m a staunch libertarian about a person’s body and speech. They have absolute right to do anything involving their body. We don’t force parents to donate organs do we? Same diff.
The problem with this is, it's not their body. The body belongs to the baby.
You absolutely do not have morality on your side, what you have is religious dogma, thats a very different thing.
The right to life is the most basic universal right. If there is even a chance that an unborn child is alive, then that is a human life and must be protected. We must preserve all fellow Image Bearers.
I do believe woman have the right to choose what they want to do with there baby and i do believe there are some cases where there gray areas however ultimately the child doesn't need to die there is adoption
No, it's not women's baby, it's both the woman and the man's baby too. And above all it's God's child being murdered.
In my opinion women should have choice, what she wants to do and no old fart ( most decision making politicians are very old man) should be able to take this right from her.
Cucka doodle do white knight simp.
Been drinking again?
The baby has a right to life. Above your feeling of inconvenience. ...
BINGO!
Genuinely think all pro lifers should be forced to adopt at least one child. I also think that this forced adoption should be sprung on them randomly and without much warning. Whether this happens when you are 16 and still at school or 45 and filing for bankruptcy shouldn’t matter at all. This would be very fun to watch.
@victoriaxoxo Oh like getting pregnant and want to get rid of it. You are surprised. Every time you have sex you should be prepared to get pregnant. If you are not don't have sex...
Who can be prepared for a condom leaking? These things happen and you won’t even know until it is too late.
@victoriaxoxo Well NEW FLASH! I'm ready to adopt right now, I was more than 30 years ago. Now all (you) need to do is get the government out of the way so that I can do that. They are biased against men unless they happen to be queers.
I'm Pro LIfe. Even if I weren't already a MGTOW monk, I would never date marry or touch a woman that murdered a child.
You say every child has a right to life. Do you support the atrocities the US has commited across the world? Killing Hundreds of thousands of innocent children.
Pro-choice
I believe in choice not stupid authoritarian religious laws
I’m pro freedom, pro anti communism, pro choice, pro liberty, I can’t stand people trying to remove our rights and frreeedoms
Lmao... You've described pro-life.
Nothing in your description suggested you are pro-choice.
And which that would mean that you are OK with her decision to murder her child. What about the father's decision not to murder his child? So called abortion rights IE murder was started by Marxist communist feminist too, don't forget that either.
@Djaay nope being forced to birth a child is communism bud
You are very confused. A child being forced to the end of its life is murder. The devil forcing you to believe that murder is alright is a murder of your soul.
The whole world (one world order) will eventually be here soon enough. The Anti-christ will orchestrate through dictatorship. You claim your anti-communist. Guess you you will bow before then. ...
@Djaay lol you mean a cluster of cells no more advanced than a scab being removed compared to forcing a women to preform birth (possibly die) even if she was raped? That’s true red goose stepping communism bud, go to China and give your master a bow
Because of it's not my body, I dont have the right to choose. Plain and simple
Its the womans body, life, future, she should decide for herself what she wants.
Pro Life and because life begins at conception, not at birth. Wusses are pro choice.
I am pro choice because a person does not have the right to live off another persons body
I'm catholic and I'm pro choice. Why? I'm not against abortion but if you choose to abort at like 3 months or longer, that's definitely a no for me
Pro life because fetuses r people too
Not by law they aren't.
@MAINEVENTMAFlA As a law grad, I can confirm.
@victoriaxoxo That's right.
@MAINEVENTMAFlA @victoriaxoxo Biologically, yes they ARE humans. The law is irrelevant in a matter of life/bio. The law is never perfect and is always changing, but facts are facts. The law is also man-made so it is irrelevant here.
@preston1997 The law is man made yes you are correct but you can say that for how the law punishes violent crimes or something else or other laws that keep people safe we need the law. Another person telling a woman what to do with her fetus is a joke to me it is none of your business it is only the woman's business.
@MaineventMafia. I guess u like paying other chicks tax bill while they get laid n you don't.
You act like fucking taxes are ever gonna go to anything to help us lol. It doesn't matter where it goes because the government is doing what they feel like with it whether it be pocketing it or something else.
@MAINEVENTMAFlA I agree with you. You're right with that and especially consider things like population control that are needed by society and the world. However, it is still immoral of a woman to murder a child and also to be so irresponsible of her own actions. It makes her look shameful, that she makes a decision and cannot take the consequence because it's too much for her to handle. She needs to just avoid getting pregnant to begin with.
@preston1997 biological they are cells that are duplicating, cells that are human how your skin cells are human. Biologically my period is also human.
@preston1997 It is just one of those situations where it is what it is. The law is never going to let anyone tell someone else what to do with their own body. I mean Alabama did whatever but it was short lived it will never happen on a federal level.
By law and by the Supreme Court, they are not people
@MAINEVENTMAFlA By law? You mean the same law that wants to genocide us with that working just as they planed it?
Pro-life because, um, I don't like death?
Pro-choice.
Real man.
Well he is more of a man than a man trying to tell women what to do with their pregnancy.
Very strongly pro-life.
Pro-life. Pro-choice is Ann euphemism o pro-murder
Pro choice. Let people live their own lives.
I'm pro-choice because a fetus is not a person.
If you don't make the choice, the choice makes you
Pro choice.
I'm pro I don't give a crap.
Pro do what you gotta do.
Is there an in between?
Pro life. Abortion is murder.
I don’t care. Both have good arguments.
Pro choice
I am pro-abortion.
Pro choice.
Pro-choice.
All life is precious
Yolo
Neither