Why does it matter how many cells there are? A 23 year old and a 2 year old have a difference in millions of cells. Just because the unborn baby is out of sight and out of mind doesn't disqualify their right to live.
@LordOfTheFries I thinks it’s funny how an 18 year old boy and a 15 year old child have such a strong opinion about abortion... the only time either of you should have an opinion about it is if your girlfriend ends up pregnant. Other than at you shouldn’t have anything to say about what a woman wants to do with her body.
@Pink2000 Sure, sometimes the mother doesn't have any other real option, women should be legally allowed to choose for her own (and possibly the child's) sake. I'm just arguing that no matter how you spin it, abortion is ending a human being's life and should always be a last resort.
@LordOfTheFries I'm tryna say abortion shouldn't be used as a form of birth control and should only be used for medical emergencies and cases of rape at a young age.
I stated my opinion and in return you told me to shut the fuck up. Which is really disrespectful and part of me wants to cuss your ass out. But I’m not cause you’re just a kid. Goodnight.
Okay, I actually do apologize for that. I was just in a rough spot and didn't know what to say, I guess it was just filler, maybe? Hope you can forgive me for that...
An unborn child is metaphysically "Human" from the moment of Conception, and is a Free Moral Agent from the moment of Conception, because Free Moral Agency functions at the Metaphysical Level of reality. IN order to actually be sentient, Free Moral Agency must be Metaphysical, not just physical.
Thus abortion of so much as a ZYGOTE is murder, because it is Metaphysically HUMAN from the moment of conception.
@AbleLearner I don’t remember asking you to chime in because quite frankly I don’t care about your opinion. As a woman if I want to get an abortion then that’s my choice. Not yours. You shouldn’t even care about what’s growing in MY body. Mind the business that pays you.
you are right no one should tell women what to do with her body. but the baby is not the women's body. you are going to say the baby is attached to her so she can remove her. but the baby did not put itself to her. she did. so she can't remove the baby because she put it there. maybe it is mistake but it is not the baby's mistake. it is hers. in rape case ( which is rare ) still the baby did not do anything . the guy should be punished and give all of his money to the girl.
The definition of murder is to kill a human being, even though it's legal that doesn't mean it isn't murder. Also all those doctors deserve to be imprisoned and the people who go through with them.
Careful with your definitions. Based on that you would also impression military service people, death row executioners, and doctors who pull the plug on patients who will never come off life support. Just killing isn’t murder. What about the kid who kills someone in self defense, you send him to jail?
There is a difference between killing for an execution and killing for your country and killing because you're basically dead anyway from life support! The difference is huge and that is because you are murdering the innocent! The baby did nothing wrong to die! Every child is a gift from God! Even if you can't keep that gift, just put them up for adoption. Anymore questions?
Well you already defined murder as killing someone. Now you are saying sometimes killing is acceptable. So I need to figure out your subjective feeling of what killing is acceptable.
Killing is acceptable in war, executions (given a good reason for an execution), self defense (if they are trying to kill you) and to pull the plug on somebody who is already braindead. Killing an innocent child is not acceptable.
Once its formed into a fetus, before its really nothing and if you can get it out before it forms that's okay. Once the fetus forms though, it should be considered a living human being.
Probably at a little passed 5 weeks look at images of the fetus 6 weeks or longer looks like a complete fetus. 5 weeks or under could be acceptable for me but I still wouldn't do it if I had to make that choice.
Well you will never be pregnant so you wouldn’t have to make that choice. A ten year old who was raped by her father and told if anyone finds out he will kill her has to make that choice. The 18 year old ‘virgin’ who was raped and beaten to an inch of her life has to make that choice. A woman who has a disease and who would die if she delivers her baby has to make that choice.
That’s the point. It’s a woman’s body and her choice to make. I also wish less abortions took place but in my opinion government and communities shouldn’t be allowed to say what we do with our own bodies. We have that freedom to make a choice.
Bro I totally agree with you on that, all I'm trying to convey is that abortion shouldn't be used as a form of Birth Control. Rape at a young age, get it out! Deadly disease, get it out! I'm saying if some teenagers end up fucking around and getting pregnant they shouldn't punish their kid for it, they should suck up to it and keep their kid.
Ya I knew we were closer on this than your original question. Is abortion murder? No. But of course the minority of people who use it for birth control are doing the wrong thing. There are too many options for birth control and even Plan B after conception. Just be careful that some people did make a really hard choice and to tell them that they are murders when they performed a legal medical procedure isn’t doing anyone good. Sadly this is one of those endless debates and I hope most people never have to be faced with such an awful choice in their lives.
Im going to hop in a time machine and go kick your pregnant mom in the stomach. Am I murdering you? Well if your pro abortion Im just disturbing some cells aren't I?
It sure shares a lot of the same descriptions. And men have zero legal say in the matter. If a woman aborted mine then what happened next would leave no room for debate about what constitutes murder.
It depends on the circumstances. If the mother must abort due to health or not being able to afford a child/a hospital bill then no. If they're aborting just because they want to yes.
so if one can't feed her child then she should kill her child? i am talking about post birth abortion . why does it matter if the baby is inside or outside the womb?
It sounds like you're in the "personhood" camp. Ie: a developing fetus isn't a person yet, so abortion isn't murder. It's thre same argument used for pulling thre plug or euthanasia when someone is in a vegetative state. Thre idea being that ending their life is ok because they're "not really a person anymore". Your second sentence is incorrect, it is indeed alive.
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No it’s not...
is jacking off murder? Sperm has 23 chromosomes and they can swim...
Do you understand how reproduction works? It takes two halves to make a whole.
They aren't human at that point though so really they can just swim right down the toilet if you ask me...
Neither is a ball of cells
Why does it matter how many cells there are? A 23 year old and a 2 year old have a difference in millions of cells. Just because the unborn baby is out of sight and out of mind doesn't disqualify their right to live.
@LordOfTheFries it’s not a baby... it’s a collection of cells...
EXACTLY! just because of a different of cell count doesn't mean a difference of species!
@Pink2000 so is it really still a collection of cells 2 days before the actual baby is born?
You can’t get an abortion 2 days before the baby is born... so that statement is irrelevant.
@Pink2000 Why isn't it human? What makes you or me or any living thing not just considered "a collection of cells?"
@LordOfTheFries I thinks it’s funny how an 18 year old boy and a 15 year old child have such a strong opinion about abortion... the only time either of you should have an opinion about it is if your girlfriend ends up pregnant. Other than at you shouldn’t have anything to say about what a woman wants to do with her body.
ACTUALLY... you can get an abortion as late as 9 months. It's rare because nobody is stupid to wait that long but its legal.
Also dont fucking call me a child lol
Also If i got my girl pregnant and she aborted it I'd dump her ass be murdering my child
@Pink2000 Sure, sometimes the mother doesn't have any other real option, women should be legally allowed to choose for her own (and possibly the child's) sake. I'm just arguing that no matter how you spin it, abortion is ending a human being's life and should always be a last resort.
you’re definitely a child judging from that last statement...
@LordOfTheFries I'm tryna say abortion shouldn't be used as a form of birth control and should only be used for medical emergencies and cases of rape at a young age.
why do you care? Who are you to decide when a woman should get an abortion?
And @Pink2000 stfu did I ask you?
@CJPartin And what makes a basterd child born out of rape any less human than anyone else?
And I'm not to decide whether a girl does that, I'm just saying its murder at its finest
Just like a child. You can’t even have a decent conversation... just go to bed.
@LordOfTheFries exactly, what makes that kid any different from the kid down the street or the guy from work or the mailman? They're all human!
And @Pink2000 I'm having a pretty decent one rn and you're welcome to join, I'm pretty sure you started the conversation anyway so...
I stated my opinion and in return you told me to shut the fuck up. Which is really disrespectful and part of me wants to cuss your ass out. But I’m not cause you’re just a kid. Goodnight.
Okay, I actually do apologize for that. I was just in a rough spot and didn't know what to say, I guess it was just filler, maybe? Hope you can forgive me for that...
"What a woman wants to do with her body..."
Lol. That's selfishness defined.
An unborn child is metaphysically "Human" from the moment of Conception, and is a Free Moral Agent from the moment of Conception, because Free Moral Agency functions at the Metaphysical Level of reality. IN order to actually be sentient, Free Moral Agency must be Metaphysical, not just physical.
Thus abortion of so much as a ZYGOTE is murder, because it is Metaphysically HUMAN from the moment of conception.
@AbleLearner I don’t remember asking you to chime in because quite frankly I don’t care about your opinion. As a woman if I want to get an abortion then that’s my choice. Not yours. You shouldn’t even care about what’s growing in MY body. Mind the business that pays you.
That "ball of cells" is a human life, so yes it's murder.
@Sixgun77 it’s not murder. Thankyou
Sure it is. Many people like to pretend that it's not because it's inconvenient to them.
@Sixgun77 okay
you are right no one should tell women what to do with her body. but the baby is not the women's body. you are going to say the baby is attached to her so she can remove her. but the baby did not put itself to her. she did. so she can't remove the baby because she put it there. maybe it is mistake but it is not the baby's mistake. it is hers. in rape case ( which is rare ) still the baby did not do anything . the guy should be punished and give all of his money to the girl.
A fertilized egg is different than fertilizer or egh seperately
@Shamalien notice a “fertilized egg”
? Yes jacking off is not wasting life, destroying a fertilized egg IS destruction of life, know this.
It's legal termination, like death row is. If you believe a foetus is not a person, you might consider it morally justifiable as well.
Good definition man, the only difference between abortion and death row is that the fetus did nothing wrong to be killed.
Yes, true. But then do two wrongs make a right? Both can be deemed morally ambiguous.
No, it’s an operation performed on a pregnant woman
I know what it is! The operation is meant to kill an innocent child who hasn't even gotten to live outside the womb yet!
A murder is against the law. Abortion is legal. So again no, it’s not murder. The doctor isn’t arrested and charged in court.
The definition of murder is to kill a human being, even though it's legal that doesn't mean it isn't murder. Also all those doctors deserve to be imprisoned and the people who go through with them.
Careful with your definitions. Based on that you would also impression military service people, death row executioners, and doctors who pull the plug on patients who will never come off life support. Just killing isn’t murder. What about the kid who kills someone in self defense, you send him to jail?
There is a difference between killing for an execution and killing for your country and killing because you're basically dead anyway from life support! The difference is huge and that is because you are murdering the innocent! The baby did nothing wrong to die! Every child is a gift from God! Even if you can't keep that gift, just put them up for adoption. Anymore questions?
Why isn’t that murder in all cases? You said the definition is killing a human being
And I'm saying it should only be acceptable in some cases, abortion not being one of them
Is it ok to murder someone who steals a car?
Where tf did that even come from?😂
Well you already defined murder as killing someone. Now you are saying sometimes killing is acceptable. So I need to figure out your subjective feeling of what killing is acceptable.
Killing is acceptable in war, executions (given a good reason for an execution), self defense (if they are trying to kill you) and to pull the plug on somebody who is already braindead. Killing an innocent child is not acceptable.
Better. Now at what point is it a child?
Once its formed into a fetus, before its really nothing and if you can get it out before it forms that's okay. Once the fetus forms though, it should be considered a living human being.
Ok I googled this site:
www.onhealth.com/.../pregnancy_stages_trimesters
And it says by week 8 the fetus forms. So are you ok with an abortion performed in week 7?
Probably at a little passed 5 weeks look at images of the fetus 6 weeks or longer looks like a complete fetus. 5 weeks or under could be acceptable for me but I still wouldn't do it if I had to make that choice.
Well you will never be pregnant so you wouldn’t have to make that choice. A ten year old who was raped by her father and told if anyone finds out he will kill her has to make that choice. The 18 year old ‘virgin’ who was raped and beaten to an inch of her life has to make that choice. A woman who has a disease and who would die if she delivers her baby has to make that choice.
That’s the point. It’s a woman’s body and her choice to make. I also wish less abortions took place but in my opinion government and communities shouldn’t be allowed to say what we do with our own bodies. We have that freedom to make a choice.
Bro I totally agree with you on that, all I'm trying to convey is that abortion shouldn't be used as a form of Birth Control. Rape at a young age, get it out! Deadly disease, get it out! I'm saying if some teenagers end up fucking around and getting pregnant they shouldn't punish their kid for it, they should suck up to it and keep their kid.
Ya I knew we were closer on this than your original question. Is abortion murder? No. But of course the minority of people who use it for birth control are doing the wrong thing. There are too many options for birth control and even Plan B after conception. Just be careful that some people did make a really hard choice and to tell them that they are murders when they performed a legal medical procedure isn’t doing anyone good. Sadly this is one of those endless debates and I hope most people never have to be faced with such an awful choice in their lives.
I believe it is murder when used as birth control. That fetus is potential for a person.
Yep. It is. Still and always will be pro choice/pro abortion. Not all murder is wrong in my book.
If abortion is murder does that mean blowjobs are cannibalism?
Yes it is.
Im going to hop in a time machine and go kick your pregnant mom in the stomach. Am I murdering you? Well if your pro abortion Im just disturbing some cells aren't I?
It sure shares a lot of the same descriptions. And men have zero legal say in the matter. If a woman aborted mine then what happened next would leave no room for debate about what constitutes murder.
Would you abort Islamic fetuses?
Ha ha good question. Depends on how radically they were about to be raised. It would be murder though so my opinion on this thread has not changed
It depends on the circumstances. If the mother must abort due to health or not being able to afford a child/a hospital bill then no. If they're aborting just because they want to yes.
so if one can't feed her child then she should kill her child? i am talking about post birth abortion . why does it matter if the baby is inside or outside the womb?
No way it can be since there is no one there to murder.
No, it isn't, never will be. Ignore the religious filth, they are pathetic wastes of oxygen, a cancer that needs to be exterminated.
It’s not. I mean for one thing, it isn’t unlawful.
But jokes asides, I don’t think you’re killing a person, as in something with personhood.
Only the dumbass religious nuts think it is
Sane people do not think it is murder
Yes, because it's purposefully ending a human life.
Yes. I can't picture myself asking a future partner to get rid of the baby. It's much more than simple "clump of cells"
It’s murder. Anyone who says otherwise needs god.
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Or science class
@Sixgun77 exactly.
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Nobody "needs" god
@hotrocks that’s your opinion sir, I completely disagree.
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@hotrocks everybody needs God!
The baby is not sentient yet, so it would be like burying a corpse. There is currently no life.
Do you make a distinction between human life and a person?
No, I find the difference if if they are sentient like humans or just feel stress and pain like fish.
It sounds like you're in the "personhood" camp. Ie: a developing fetus isn't a person yet, so abortion isn't murder. It's thre same argument used for pulling thre plug or euthanasia when someone is in a vegetative state. Thre idea being that ending their life is ok because they're "not really a person anymore".
Your second sentence is incorrect, it is indeed alive.
I’m not saying that they aren’t alive. It’s just that studies have shown that fish feel pain and stress, but are not sentient creatures.
Yes it's abortion, in only 12 hours of conception -- a genetic identity is created.
Nope
Logically speaking, politics aside, of course it is
Yeah its ending human life but its sometimes necessary.