If you're being reasonable about it those two aren't really the same. The female operation is much more serious and intrusive surgery, while a vasectomy is easy and not dangerous and can be done with local anaesthetic.
I can use a different method of neutering the women for the example, but I dont think it makes much difference. My point was to try to make an equivalent, which it mostly is.
If you really think the two aren't comparable, then just imagine the woman takes is forced to take a birth control pill everyday. The point is that if anyone tried to make a law like that, we'd have riots in the street.
Well nature takes care of it when it comes to women over 50. I just don't agree men and women need to be forced into equality when there are clear biological differences. Is it fair it's easier to get a vasectomy? No it isn't, but that's just one of those things like is it fair women have periods and have to give birth. Some of our biology is different and it comes with pros and cons. But like I said in my reply I don't think anyone should be forced, but I don't mind if there is an incentive to do it.
We can roll it back to 40 then, if you don't have kids before that then you're probably immature anyways. *sarcasm*
Maybe you misread the question then? It said that men should be FORCED into the procedure. This is pure sexism because if this targetted women then we'd all be against it. I don't think anyone would be against incentives for it, but the asker said it would be forced.
Yes and I said it shouldn't be forced. But also my point was what would be the point in forcing a procedure on women when it's totally unnecessary? Women over 50 can't have kids most of the time and men can.
Anyway I don't think this is a real thing and it's not even in my country I was just commenting.
Doesn't matter if it's necessary, my point was to show how fucked up that would be. Is there any point to forcing men over 50 to get a vasectomy? He probably has erectile dysfunction anyways. There is no point, other than revenge. Women who want this vasectomy bill want it because they are upset about the abortion laws, so this is nothing but revenge. It's stupid though, men and women can both be pro-life, infact women tend to be pro-life just as much as men. news.gallup.com/.../...lar-abortion-attitudes.aspx
Well it does sound stupid and just a media political thing so I don't think it's anything to actually care about. But my only point was that male and female physiology is different, if you're with a wife and decide not to have kids it makes sense to have a vasectomy instead of your wife having serious surgery. I just think sometimes we need to ignore outright equality and use some common sense. I don't personally care if something is sexist if it's rational, for example if in a real world scenario a feminists children were trapped in a burning building and they could ask for men or women to save them... Are they really going to get women? I definitely wouldn't, they can barely break down doors and lack the physical strength you might need to move furniture and carry people. It's not fair, maybe it is sexist but it's just one of those things and I don't see a problem with just being rational.
Both are human rigths violations so no either an arbortion ban or forced vasectomy are both violating basic human rigths so get this morons out of your Goverment
How come the OP never has said squat? He comes and makes a controversial question and then runs and hides while laughing to himself at all the fighting in here.
Well fair is fair here, so I propose that all girls from the time their 12th birhday till they turn 21 must wear a chasity belt or till their wedding night whichever comes first. Pass that law with the vasectomy bill.
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That bill makes no sense, why after the man reaches 50 or after the third child? (notice it is not during the most fertile years of the man's life) whichever is the earliest, I do note it was proposed by a Democrat and the bill was blocked from taking effect in November by U. S. District Judge Myron Thompson, who found it unconstitutional. The Alabama attorney general's office did not appeal the temporary injunction.
Would you say the same to women who don't pay their child support? Men already face stiffer punishments far more often than women do when skipping out on childcare payments. Why not level the playing field?
It's a serious issue, and your irreverence of men is not helping. You can choose to sterilize yourself, as that is as far as your ideal could expand. Men already get their penises cut up from birth in this country. They already lack bodily autonomy. That's a serious issue, too, and in the same spectrum as forced vasectomies or sterilization. Any type of forced cutting on people is wrong. But I'm just some "serious" person who tried talking to a man hater.
@RickPen blah blah blah. My irreverence of men. I have no respect for men that don’t pay child support. That should be true if anyone. The fact that you attempt to defend it is a sign of your moral relativism. It’s ok to defend something bad as long as it supports my overall good Be gone. You have no idea who you’re talking to or what I’m about
But you're sexist in saying that about men only. Women don't always pay their child support, assuming they (very rarely) lose custody. Have you read into any of that information? If not, please do. Also, your genitals are protected from cutting; men's aren't. So, more sexism.
I'm the one who doesn't know what they're talking about? Please provide some backup to that erroneous statement, because I never defended men not paying, nor did I imply it, so your interpretation is flatly incorrect. What I directly addressed was your hatred of men, which you did not deny, so I'll continue with that premise.
@RickPen I don’t have to give a complete analysis of every position I hold on every question I answer.
The fact that you take one element of a response directed at another question as representative of my entire position related to some things sue not relevant to the question at hand just shows how weak you are
A 20yr old espousing these ideas can only be an incel. That’s right I peg you for being a delusional incel.
You might be involuntarily celibate but you can certainly voluntarily go somewhere else.
Your strawman, ad hominem judgments are part of the problem, and you call me weak? Not much is weaker than attacking a person because you can't defend your own position. Keep trying, man hater. You're only proving my point.
You could always try to carry on the conversation in a mature way, but you prefer to send insults and assumptive straw-man arguments my way instead of explaining your position, admitting that you have a problem, and growing from it. If I were in your age group, I'd be ashamed at how my generation was being represented by your reprehensible failure to communicate.
@RickPen It should be. Whoever winds up with custody should collect child support regardless of the sex. But just remember that, depending on how the pregnancy goes and whether there are complications, a woman may not be able to work for many months during and after a pregnancy and birth. That has to be taken into consideration.
@RickPen when you kick off the conversation by attempting to read things into what I don’t say about a topic that has nothing to do with the posters question it’s you who isn’t communicating and driving a biased agenda. As I pointed out earlier , you have no idea what the totality of my viewpoint is yet you assume you do. That’s a dumb thing to do.
You behave childishly and then yap about attacks and other nonsense
@ Izumiblu @RickPen So is this thread about the feminists or the misogynists? I find if funny that men and women can get together for sex and talk sweetly to each other during, but any other time they are at each other's throats.
@Daniela1982 the question , about a proposed bill,, was a not clever comparison of vasectomies to the murder of children and had nothing to do with either misogyny or feminism. It was just stupid a stupid bill. I’m sure some will see the bill as a true defense of feminism but it’s not. It’s an assault on both women and men and babies.
These two yoyo’s are also an assault on actual men.
Everybody seems to be ignoring a simple question: "What proportion of the Alabama legislature are males over 50?" Isn't she just trying to make the anti-abortionists think about how it feels to have no body control?
It should be like china. More than to kids and you are in tloubre. No forced birth control methods. Just know that you would pay a fine of 100,000 usd for every extra child. People will be unzipping their pants like crazy
And that justifies forced sterilization? Any surgery carries a risk of nerve damage. Some respond without issue, while other men can left with numbness and pain, same as with any type of surgery. Just because you don't value men does not mean they're without value.
@Twalli The vast majority may not, but how is someone compensated who does have complications? Do we even have accurate numbers on complications or overall outcomes? It's not even guaranteed to be reversible, so approaching it so casually is dangerous.
@Twalli Those are not great odds, especially if the man is forced to undergo the surgery, and lacks the ability to pay for reversal.
Do the ends justify the means? We should ask that for every routine surgery, especially where a person can't consent. In this country I know of only one other surgery that fits those criteria, and the damage potential is extreme, but it's ignored. To me, men should have rights over their bodies. No parent should have a say how much penis they get to keep, and no government should tell a man when he should stop having children. Regardless of statistics, even if one person suffers, that is a failing, as that person has to live with consequences of someone else's choice.
That said, thank you for the statistical approach.
You don't know what you are talking about! I'm only 8 years away and my erections are hard. My diet is good and healthy for it. I eat banana, citrus, garlic and drink pomegranate juice, all considered as "natural Viagra". For the female side, eat omega-3 fatty acid enriched items, such as walnuts and drink pineapple juice (makes your pussy soft).
So men over 50 are they ones making all of the babies? WTF Maybe they will add a reduction in school taxes to younger men that get vasectomies? Kind of like reduction in dog license fees for dogs that are spayed and neutered?
Yes, and the vasectomy law is trying to police men’s bodies. I bet the lawmaker is trying to make a point, like I said. But putting into practice would not be right. Every person should have absolute control over their own bodies. Women and men.
@Goodwifie oh wow thanks for letting me know how it's really spelled, I totally didn't know. I always tryie extamly Hart on spelling on THE intranet because very wichtig.
@Chase777 you are getting hysterical you only have to worry about this if you cause three pregnancies or reach the age of 50. Keep it in your pants and you have nothing to worry about for 29 years.
Well some say circumcision is too. But girls in some countries get circumcised by having their clitoris's removed or the clitoral hood, or both removed. So forced procedures do occur. It's also against human rights when the government subjects it's citizens to chemical or nuclear testing. But it didn't stop the US from doing it.
@cavmanier And it kills their way to experience sex in a healthy and painless way. Very painful in the act and forbidden by international law. Still some e. g. African communities practice this.
@roland77 Women get protection from the law while men don't. Men go around fucking women with dicks that can't feel the sex as well. It's the same thing as if we desensitize a woman's clit. And women loved the altered dicks because they see it everywhere in porn. It's disturbing, sad and a sign of low consciousness.
I don't get it. This seams counter productive: A) over 50s have proven evolutionary survivability so taking them out of the gene pool is bad for it. B) what has this got to do with abortion?
Most men have many mistakes in their sperm by that age meaning that body can't make proper reproductive cells. Which makes the risk of unhealthy children higher. So thats why. In my opinion
I can only find a few studies on this and they seem to mostly be implying that it reduces fertility as fewer sperm are built correctly to make the journey. Do you have a meta reference indicating this also effects the quality of the chromosomes the sperm is carrying? There is mention of a correlation between sperm age and autism/schizophrenia however mental illness diagnosis is not at the stage to draw conclusions from that.
There's quite a bit of interesting information to look at but it is hard to see under the business and political interests.
Can't see the study through the pay-wall but it is thankfully 1 study and relatively brief... That said if it's conclusions hold up this is not a good sign as it means we are now in a position where natural selection takes longer the genetic deterioration. What's that old phrase? "we die not with a bang but with a whimper" or something like that.
Oh I don't know why america has paywalls for everything. Ill find few more articles though dont worry. by the way thank you for actually reading stuff and like not just saying that oh you're wrong.
@Jay That's a good read. So jury is out which is hopeful (some older sperm is better, some older sperm is worse conclusions). Mostly boils down to needing controlled studies to filter out all the contributing factors that taint census studies. The correlation with psychological disorders is the most concerning. @frost again that one is talking about the fertility of old sperm not congenital defects... The increase in X chromosomes is interesting but makes sense, as men have more genetic variation than women (evolution's guinea pig gender) it would be beneficial to have them with the most viable foetus and reduce risks.
Yeah the biggest factor unsurprisingly appears to be lifestyle, namely smoking and drinking. One of which sadly has a tendency to increase likelihood of pregnancy 😅
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Can we force women to have their tubes cut when they turn 50? Or is this only okay because we're taking the reproductive rights away from men?
If you're being reasonable about it those two aren't really the same. The female operation is much more serious and intrusive surgery, while a vasectomy is easy and not dangerous and can be done with local anaesthetic.
I can use a different method of neutering the women for the example, but I dont think it makes much difference. My point was to try to make an equivalent, which it mostly is.
If you really think the two aren't comparable, then just imagine the woman takes is forced to take a birth control pill everyday. The point is that if anyone tried to make a law like that, we'd have riots in the street.
Well nature takes care of it when it comes to women over 50.
I just don't agree men and women need to be forced into equality when there are clear biological differences. Is it fair it's easier to get a vasectomy? No it isn't, but that's just one of those things like is it fair women have periods and have to give birth. Some of our biology is different and it comes with pros and cons. But like I said in my reply I don't think anyone should be forced, but I don't mind if there is an incentive to do it.
We can roll it back to 40 then, if you don't have kids before that then you're probably immature anyways. *sarcasm*
Maybe you misread the question then? It said that men should be FORCED into the procedure. This is pure sexism because if this targetted women then we'd all be against it. I don't think anyone would be against incentives for it, but the asker said it would be forced.
Yes and I said it shouldn't be forced. But also my point was what would be the point in forcing a procedure on women when it's totally unnecessary? Women over 50 can't have kids most of the time and men can.
Anyway I don't think this is a real thing and it's not even in my country I was just commenting.
Doesn't matter if it's necessary, my point was to show how fucked up that would be. Is there any point to forcing men over 50 to get a vasectomy? He probably has erectile dysfunction anyways. There is no point, other than revenge. Women who want this vasectomy bill want it because they are upset about the abortion laws, so this is nothing but revenge. It's stupid though, men and women can both be pro-life, infact women tend to be pro-life just as much as men.
news.gallup.com/.../...lar-abortion-attitudes.aspx
It's not in my country either.
Well it does sound stupid and just a media political thing so I don't think it's anything to actually care about. But my only point was that male and female physiology is different, if you're with a wife and decide not to have kids it makes sense to have a vasectomy instead of your wife having serious surgery. I just think sometimes we need to ignore outright equality and use some common sense. I don't personally care if something is sexist if it's rational, for example if in a real world scenario a feminists children were trapped in a burning building and they could ask for men or women to save them... Are they really going to get women? I definitely wouldn't, they can barely break down doors and lack the physical strength you might need to move furniture and carry people. It's not fair, maybe it is sexist but it's just one of those things and I don't see a problem with just being rational.
Both are human rigths violations so no either an arbortion ban or forced vasectomy are both violating basic human rigths so get this morons out of your Goverment
How come the OP never has said squat? He comes and makes a controversial question and then runs and hides while laughing to himself at all the fighting in here.
Well fair is fair here, so I propose that all girls from the time their 12th birhday till they turn 21 must wear a chasity belt or till their wedding night whichever comes first. Pass that law with the vasectomy bill.
That bill makes no sense, why after the man reaches 50 or after the third child?
(notice it is not during the most fertile years of the man's life) whichever is the earliest,
I do note it was proposed by a Democrat and the bill was blocked from taking effect in November by U. S. District Judge Myron Thompson, who found it unconstitutional.
The Alabama attorney general's office did not appeal the temporary injunction.
It’s dumb.
Would orefer we give vasectomies to men that dont pay their child support
Would you say the same to women who don't pay their child support? Men already face stiffer punishments far more often than women do when skipping out on childcare payments. Why not level the playing field?
@RickPen sure women that don’t pay child support should get vasectomies I agree
So, forced sterilization for women who don't pay child support? You think any kind of forced sterilization is good?
@RickPen don’t take things so seriously
I believe forced sterilization is a better policy than baby murdering. Unfortunately The legality of each is opposite what it should be.
It's a serious issue, and your irreverence of men is not helping. You can choose to sterilize yourself, as that is as far as your ideal could expand. Men already get their penises cut up from birth in this country. They already lack bodily autonomy. That's a serious issue, too, and in the same spectrum as forced vasectomies or sterilization. Any type of forced cutting on people is wrong. But I'm just some "serious" person who tried talking to a man hater.
@RickPen blah blah blah. My irreverence of men. I have no respect for men that don’t pay child support. That should be true if anyone. The fact that you attempt to defend it is a sign of your moral relativism. It’s ok to defend something bad as long as it supports my overall good Be gone. You have no idea who you’re talking to or what I’m about
But you're sexist in saying that about men only. Women don't always pay their child support, assuming they (very rarely) lose custody. Have you read into any of that information? If not, please do. Also, your genitals are protected from cutting; men's aren't. So, more sexism.
I'm the one who doesn't know what they're talking about? Please provide some backup to that erroneous statement, because I never defended men not paying, nor did I imply it, so your interpretation is flatly incorrect. What I directly addressed was your hatred of men, which you did not deny, so I'll continue with that premise.
Good day, man-hater.
@RickPen I don’t have to give a complete analysis of every position I hold on every question I answer.
The fact that you take one element of a response directed at another question as representative of my entire position related to some things sue not relevant to the question at hand just shows how weak you are
A 20yr old espousing these ideas can only be an incel. That’s right I peg you for being a delusional incel.
You might be involuntarily celibate but you can certainly voluntarily go somewhere else.
Your strawman, ad hominem judgments are part of the problem, and you call me weak? Not much is weaker than attacking a person because you can't defend your own position. Keep trying, man hater. You're only proving my point.
Voluntarily go away or at least voluntarily quit being stupid.
You could always try to carry on the conversation in a mature way, but you prefer to send insults and assumptive straw-man arguments my way instead of explaining your position, admitting that you have a problem, and growing from it. If I were in your age group, I'd be ashamed at how my generation was being represented by your reprehensible failure to communicate.
@RickPen It should be. Whoever winds up with custody should collect child support regardless of the sex. But just remember that, depending on how the pregnancy goes and whether there are complications, a woman may not be able to work for many months during and after a pregnancy and birth. That has to be taken into consideration.
@RickPen when you kick off the conversation by attempting to read things into what I don’t say about a topic that has nothing to do with the posters question it’s you who isn’t communicating and driving a biased agenda. As I pointed out earlier , you have no idea what the totality of my viewpoint is yet you assume you do. That’s a dumb thing to do.
You behave childishly and then yap about attacks and other nonsense
You aren’t a man. You’re meme.
Men already go ro prison, get their wages seized, and have to work more than one job to pay child support.
@RickPen She is too concerned with keeping her "right" to murder children up to and including partial birth.
Izumiblu How about we sterilize the welfare queens?
@KrakenAttackin another person that knows nothing about me but blathering on as though they do.
@ Izumiblu @RickPen So is this thread about the feminists or the misogynists? I find if funny that men and women can get together for sex and talk sweetly to each other during, but any other time they are at each other's throats.
@Izumiblu Silly cunt.
@Daniela1982 the question , about a proposed bill,, was a not clever comparison of vasectomies to the murder of children and had nothing to do with either misogyny or feminism. It was just stupid a stupid bill. I’m sure some will see the bill as a true defense of feminism but it’s not. It’s an assault on both women and men and babies.
These two yoyo’s are also an assault on actual men.
I don’t understand why the age 50 is being proposed? It seems like age discrimination and it cannot make it to becoming a law.
Probably a publicity stunt bc of the abortion ban. Both should be overturned.
I don't mind vasectomies being encouraged but not enforced by law. Maybe pay people £500 for being sterilised? I'd do it
Everybody seems to be ignoring a simple question: "What proportion of the Alabama legislature are males over 50?"
Isn't she just trying to make the anti-abortionists think about how it feels to have no body control?
Forcing a procedure is a bit different than not being able to get one.
The equivalency would be to make vasectomies illegal. That lawmakers bitch is just dumb as fuck like a good proportion of politicians.
It should be like china. More than to kids and you are in tloubre. No forced birth control methods. Just know that you would pay a fine of 100,000 usd for every extra child. People will be unzipping their pants like crazy
Half the over 50s can't get erections anyway
You would know
And that justifies forced sterilization? Any surgery carries a risk of nerve damage. Some respond without issue, while other men can left with numbness and pain, same as with any type of surgery. Just because you don't value men does not mean they're without value.
@RickPen The vast majority of people who get a vascetomy don't have any negative side effects. I didn't. As far as procedures go it's pretty safe.
@Twalli The vast majority may not, but how is someone compensated who does have complications? Do we even have accurate numbers on complications or overall outcomes? It's not even guaranteed to be reversible, so approaching it so casually is dangerous.
@RickPen There's an 80% successful pregnancy rate if it is reversed in the first 3 years. It doesn't drop below 50% until 10 years.
@Twalli Those are not great odds, especially if the man is forced to undergo the surgery, and lacks the ability to pay for reversal.
Do the ends justify the means? We should ask that for every routine surgery, especially where a person can't consent. In this country I know of only one other surgery that fits those criteria, and the damage potential is extreme, but it's ignored. To me, men should have rights over their bodies. No parent should have a say how much penis they get to keep, and no government should tell a man when he should stop having children. Regardless of statistics, even if one person suffers, that is a failing, as that person has to live with consequences of someone else's choice.
That said, thank you for the statistical approach.
You don't know what you are talking about! I'm only 8 years away and my erections are hard. My diet is good and healthy for it. I eat banana, citrus, garlic and drink pomegranate juice, all considered as "natural Viagra". For the female side, eat omega-3 fatty acid enriched items, such as walnuts and drink pineapple juice (makes your pussy soft).
Crazy enough that it has no prayer of ever passing.
The USA doesn't force people to have surgery.
Some law-'makers' seem to run out of good ideas.
It surprises me that in 'the land of the free' there are so many restrictions proposed.
Alabama do the responsible thing… Someone needs to take her out to the wood shed and put a bullet in her brain.
the guy is an idiot. he is trying to make a point but the things he is proposing is not equivalent to restricting abortion. try again
The idiot guy is really a gal idiot, but regardless, you're right: this is NOT in any way, shape or form the equivalent.
She’s a black female democrat
So men over 50 are they ones making all of the babies? WTF
Maybe they will add a reduction in school taxes to younger men that get vasectomies?
Kind of like reduction in dog license fees for dogs that are spayed and neutered?
That's what I thought too, what guys are having children after 50?
If free medical care would ever materialize, then free sterilization should be included for the asking for any age.
I see the point the lawmaker is making. But it’s still not right. Neither is the abortion ban. Two wrongs and all that.
This is the whole point.
The government is trying to police women's bodies.
Yes, and the vasectomy law is trying to police men’s bodies. I bet the lawmaker is trying to make a point, like I said. But putting into practice would not be right. Every person should have absolute control over their own bodies. Women and men.
This is what happens when people with zero medical knowledge start making laws.
Drs are being told to be implant
Re implant ectopic pregnancies even though it has a zero success rate
@Goodwifie this is about MEN, you realize that. In your mind everything is sexism against women even if it's the opposite. That means your dumb.
@Chase7777 you're 😆
@Goodwifie oh wow thanks for letting me know how it's really spelled, I totally didn't know.
I always tryie extamly Hart on spelling on THE intranet because very wichtig.
@chase7777 You think it’s all about men, which means you’re dumb. Subtext is for the intelligent I guess.
Please shut up
@Chase777 you are getting hysterical you only have to worry about this if you cause three pregnancies or reach the age of 50. Keep it in your pants and you have nothing to worry about for 29 years.
I swear a forced vasectomy must go against human rights
Thank you
Well some say circumcision is too. But girls in some countries get circumcised by having their clitoris's removed or the clitoral hood, or both removed. So forced procedures do occur. It's also against human rights when the government subjects it's citizens to chemical or nuclear testing. But it didn't stop the US from doing it.
@Daniela1982
Circumcision is 100% a human rights issue. It is not legal in any western country to remove a baby girls foreskin equivalent.
@cavmanier And it kills their way to experience sex in a healthy and painless way. Very painful in the act and forbidden by international law. Still some e. g. African communities practice this.
@roland77
Women get protection from the law while men don't. Men go around fucking women with dicks that can't feel the sex as well. It's the same thing as if we desensitize a woman's clit. And women loved the altered dicks because they see it everywhere in porn. It's disturbing, sad and a sign of low consciousness.
@Daniela1982 lol, you don't know that boys get legally genitally mutilated in the west?
No. Body mutilation should never be a mandatory thing
I don't get it.
This seams counter productive:
A) over 50s have proven evolutionary survivability so taking them out of the gene pool is bad for it.
B) what has this got to do with abortion?
... you're wrong on so many levels and im unsure if you got 12 classes of education but okay.
I'm unsure if you're correct as you didn't offer anything but I know that isn't an argument.
Most men have many mistakes in their sperm by that age meaning that body can't make proper reproductive cells. Which makes the risk of unhealthy children higher. So thats why. In my opinion
I can only find a few studies on this and they seem to mostly be implying that it reduces fertility as fewer sperm are built correctly to make the journey. Do you have a meta reference indicating this also effects the quality of the chromosomes the sperm is carrying? There is mention of a correlation between sperm age and autism/schizophrenia however mental illness diagnosis is not at the stage to draw conclusions from that.
There's quite a bit of interesting information to look at but it is hard to see under the business and political interests.
Here
www.google.com/.../...es-of-older-fathers.amp.html
Can't see the study through the pay-wall but it is thankfully 1 study and relatively brief... That said if it's conclusions hold up this is not a good sign as it means we are now in a position where natural selection takes longer the genetic deterioration. What's that old phrase? "we die not with a bang but with a whimper" or something like that.
Oh I don't know why america has paywalls for everything. Ill find few more articles though dont worry. by the way thank you for actually reading stuff and like not just saying that oh you're wrong.
So here
www.nhs.uk/.../
www.mayoclinic.org/.../faq-20057873
www.google.com/.../babies-born-to-older-fathers-tend-to-have-more-medical-issues
www.telegraph.co.uk/.../
www.verywellfamily.com/being-an-older-parent-4155772
@_Jay_ www.google.com/.../ that’s a good article with what you are talking about
Wow thanks! :))
Your welcome some articles have shown bad quality of sperm as young as 35
@Jay That's a good read. So jury is out which is hopeful (some older sperm is better, some older sperm is worse conclusions). Mostly boils down to needing controlled studies to filter out all the contributing factors that taint census studies. The correlation with psychological disorders is the most concerning.
@frost again that one is talking about the fertility of old sperm not congenital defects... The increase in X chromosomes is interesting but makes sense, as men have more genetic variation than women (evolution's guinea pig gender) it would be beneficial to have them with the most viable foetus and reduce risks.
Glad I was never intending to have kids because this is a morality nightmare.
Honestly agreed. Like there are so many factors to be considered that its just easier to not take the risk
As the fertility goes down the rate for having kids with disabilities goes up they kind go hand and hand
Yeah the biggest factor unsurprisingly appears to be lifestyle, namely smoking and drinking. One of which sadly has a tendency to increase likelihood of pregnancy 😅
Yeah that’s one thing people never talk about how what men eat and if they exercise or not is just as important as if the women does or doesn’t.