This can't be real (googled it), OK it's kinda real but the bill hasn't passed and most likely will not pass, but it's very possible due to Alabama's average IQ (IT'S A JOKE).
People are bringing up Alabama's abortion laws. I have my own opinion on abortion but a vasectomy and an abortion are different. One is an operation that prevents pregnancies in the future and the other is the termination of an already living being after the pregnancy (that's what abortion is, prove me otherwise). If men are going to be forced to have vasectomies should women be forced to have their tubes tied? That would be the real equivalent, you can't compare it to abortion because (in most cases) nobody forced you to bump and grind and get impregnated in the first place.
Here's what I'm wondering though
What 50 year old men are getting girls pregnant? A lot of men past their 50s can't even get their dick hard anymore and you're going to chop their balls off (exaggerating). Most of the pregnancies that this bill wants to eliminate are mostly coming from lower class people in their 20s and 30s, I don't see where 50 year old men come in.
Who's going to pay for these surgeries? Are they going to have to pay it themselves? Is grandpa going to have to add vasectomy payments to his retirement plans? Are the tax payers going to pay for them? I sure as fuck don't want my money going towards chopping old men's balls off without his consent.
What happens if he refuses? Is the swat team going to bust down Grandpa's door, hold him down in a spread out position for some guy to take the chain cutters to his nads?
Great I hope it gets through and becomes law, and then Alabama turns into a ghost town. I find it quite interesting to see how they are going to be able to maintain the laws when men start leaving and no men start moving in, when companies leave because the men are leaving and there's a massive increase in unemployed women because there aren't any jobs.
I also wonder how they are going to try to enforce it given that it's state mandate to try to cause damage to a human, that they think it's then ok to remove bodily autonomy to enforce infertility in a whole section of the population as a way to counteract a previous law.
A law that was passed by women and men, I wonder how they are going to do it and enforce it when they will be violating so many fundamental human rights.
I see Alabama going the way of the dodo bird but if they are going to insist on having the law then great have at it, just accept that they were warned they'll give men to leave and those men being in large part business owners will also make a lot of women unemployed and it won't affect men because men will also be forced to leave or forced to undergo the operation. So they will also leave.
🙄 well to simply matters, We could just force mass sterilization like the Nazis did after getting the idea from the United States. Oh so wait we have done this before..
If history is any indicator, Legal policing of humans private body, really needs to be stomped out. It opens the door to some deeply dark gruesome places, once there you can’t get out of without huge sacrifice that could have been avoided if people took the threat more seriously in the first place.
We should he moving forward not backwards. Even if this was meant as ghattucs it’s dangerous that it was even humored.
Oh boy
Oh my God, It's Lorraine Bobbit!
You need Jesus
@Snakeyes7 reasoning doesn’t work on her
That’s not true.
@ChefPapiChulo Jesus is not real
Ah yes a condom is fine thank you , you can take those knives and get back to the kitchen
Did I say something sexist? Let me rephrase it " take those knives back to the kitchen where they belong "
You know, you could invent a time machine and go back and prevent all the MEN that invented all your forms of birth control, and then you wouldn't feel oppressed by all the options you have to avoid responsibility for getting pregnant if you CHOOSE to utilize them. Nobody is forcing a woman to use any types of birth control. Women also often CHOOSE not to use the birth control without telling their mate so then can lock him down.
@Gaming_dragon No, you meant put the knives back in the kitchen where YOU belong, right?
@LightEnd Oh God, listen to you misogynists. You don't care if the girl gets pregnant as long as you don't have to wear a condom because ( in a whiny voice) "It doesn't feel as good!" Men assume it is the woman's job to see that she doesn't get pregnant when it is actually both parties. But lucky for you guys a bill like that would never pass the voters unless we were on the Planet of the Amazons.
Honey, Men would be DELIGHTED to have a male birth control pill. The research has been killed by liberal feminist as this would take the power away from women and put it in the hands of men... THINK ABOUT IT.
What would women do if they could not longer try to trap men with pregnancy?
@KrakenAttackin holy shit bro you just dropped a nuclear bomb
@ChefPapiChulo That's how I roll bro.
I know what they would do. They would have to develop more interesting character traits and depth of mind and connect on more levels than sex.
But then again maybe my perception is skewed because I was choosing the wrong type of woman. When I listen to truly thoughtful and independent women, real independence, not just the independently minded dependent. The ones who understand how to be women. It gives me a little hope. Too bad the court system has left it so I have nothing to offer...
@ChefPapiChulo It must be true as you hide behind a private profile so no one can see what questions you are asking or answering. Those tell if you are trolling or not.
@LightEnd I'm not for abortion and find it repulsive except under certain circumstances, but definitely not as a form of birth control used by lazy women who don't bother to use, or have the guy use, protection.
@Daniela1982 guess who cares?
Well, I wasn't accusing you, I was pointing out that women have a lot of options up to and including the extreme. Men have 1, vasectomy. Either be able to have kids or never have kids.
I am not for abortion either, Its just annoying to hear some women talk about how women are oppressed or are made to do this or that. Nobody made a woman hop on and grind. It takes two. If a guy doesn't want to wear a condom and a woman doesn't want to take the pill or use any other of the handful of options then maybe they shouldn't get horizontal.
@Daniela1982 oh shut up already
@Daniela1982 the problem is tho, let's say we want to have children one day and some chick lies to you and says she's on the pill or something else and your dumb enough to believe her. If we are concerned about that we have to snip snip. You ladies can just go... oops... when it was done intentionally.
@ChefPapiChulo the people who call you troll I guess.
@Daniela1982 quiet you
@Daniela1982 doesn't shut up
@MzAsh You are wrong, many men would be happy to take a BC pill. There is a new product that is inserted below the testicles and renders the man sterile for 10 years and is removable, but there is SO MUCH opposition to this that the FDA won't even consider trials. Without FDA certification no doctor will perform the procedure. I would opt to have this done in a second if it was available, no joke.
The only hope men have is that some other country, perhaps in Latin America (that isn't super gynocentric) will certify the procedure so American men can go and have this done and wrestle some tiny bit of power back from deceitful women.
@Daniela1982 Honey, at 31 you had better trap a man sooner rather than later... tick, tick, tick.
I like these "train wreck" threads. It kind of get things down to what the real point is.
I believe this is the real point:
There all sorts of men and women on different ends of the spectrum in all areas of consideration. But the problem is: all of the laws protect women and SCREW men.
You women who are Unicorns and NOWALTS dont understand. It's not that we thing all women are a certain way. It's just that there are so many that are and then we end up getting screwed with no recourse. So it makes the process of looking for you rather daunting and not worth the risk. Every gal that we like looks like a unicorn until she stabs us up the ass wath her horn.
Concrete divorce laws which cannot be altered with technicalities in which women are treated like equals.
Relationships failing is an understandable thing for whatever reasons. But assets should be split 5050 and time with the children should be 5050 with no child support this should be enforced by the court. and let's say some chick works at Wendy's and some guy makes 50k and they have kids and their marriage sucks for whatever reason.
They want a divorce for whatever reason. Maybe she meets Chad from google and wants to trade up. Maybe he thinks she's a fat slob and tricked him.
Whatever the reasons nobody should get screwed in the separation. AND the wendy's gal shouldn't just defacto get the kids and the house etc.
I think there should be no arguments in court about whi is at fault, who's a whore, blah blah blah. a lot of these things are made up to make the court feel sorry and almost always by women.
It should just be automatically fair no matter what you go your way and earn what you can and I go my way and earn what I can.
Most women who get child support end up in relationships with another guys who works and then you have a situation where she is well off and her ex is on the poor side of the equation just because their relationship didn't work out.
Not worth the risk
No I think the court should force the parents to live in the same area for the sake of the children. After all it's supposed to be what's in the child's best interest right?
Maybe this would also make people think more carefully about having children and make sure their relationship is very strong before doing so.
If there was no incentive for a woman to trap a man with a baby then it wouldn't happen because she would not want the negative consequences.
Right now its just. "Oh wells, of it doesn't work I'll get $$$." 😇
Good for him, I think I have a cookie somewhere I can give to him. I make lip about my child support because of a myriad of reasons. The main one being that it goes to support everyone in the house hold. Her other kids her new man.
If the money I gave was put in an account and spent only on my children I would be overjoyed to pay it.
I’m just trying to illustrate that 50 50 divorce isn’t always possible, at least not harmoniously, and for a good reason. Divorced people will go on to live separate lives and they should, and kids have to be enrolled in one school so they cannot be bounced around the state or the country an equal amount of time a lot of the time.
I agree with you that it is complicated. I am merely trying to shed some light on what some women can do and are doing to men.
Which is this. Trap him with pregnancy, proceed to be a shitty wife, cash in on divorce, cash in on child support. Move on to the next guy.
This shouldn't be a thing that is possible.
But there's no way to know for sure right. Human beings lie. Human beings only see things from their perspective. a lot of times human beings are much better at blaming others than looking within themselves to find the cause.
Relationships usually fail because of both people. No matter what the final straw that broke the camel's back is.
I think women need more incentive to choose their partners wisely and suffer consequences if they dont. Right now they are being bailed out of all their consequences and poor decisions.
I agree that women need to make wiser decisions about which men they choose. But most have strong support system through family and friends and you can’t control that aspect of it. You can’t decide what consequences they should or shouldn’t suffer outside of legalities. Shit I know I could kill a man and have at least 6 people that would lie their asses off in court for me, if that were the case. But I would never do that if course. Well not unless a guy tried to harm me first, anyway.
Touche, I guess you could flip it around and say that men need to protect themselves and either make wiser choices for partners and or just stay single. They should protect their assets and avoid marriage and cohabitation and we need a better form of birth control.
I'm getting a vasectomy but that's not a good option for a young man that may want children someday.
Good troll
You guys are annoying
Oh shut up
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Once again radical liberals prove that their ideology is full of hypocritical contradictions.
It was at 50 or after 3 children. It's a salty way to fight the anti abortion laws in the state I find it to be a childish way to deal with the problem. It will actually do more harm than good in changing the laws for women. https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/483065-alabama-lawmaker-proposes-law-forcing-men-to-get-a-vasectomy-at-50-in
HAHAHAHA What a waste of taxpayer resources.
https://www.bamapolitics.com/alabama/alabama-government-officials/profiles/rolanda-hollis/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolanda_Hollis
> The Northwest Florida Daily News reported that Hollis was arrested for domestic violence at the Inn on Destin Harbor in Destin, Florida on September 22, 2019.
Bill text. Looking at her, I'm genuinely surprised there's no spelling errors.
www.bamapolitics.com/.../#bill-text
It's preposterous, and this brainless legislator is making the case for her pro life opponents. Equating abortion to another unnatural, completely interventionist surgical procedure done against a person's will? Sounds like an abortion to me. Sure should have introduced a bill banning vasectomies. That's the equivalent. Here's the thing: be pro choice if you want, but don't try to force this silly "reproductive rights" argument. It's not persuading anyone, it leads to goofy stunts like this one, and it just makes women look helpless and selfish. Just say you're ok with killing fetuses and move on.
It's safe to say pro-choice people are okay with killing fetuses. After all, they're not people.
@Chase7777 Says the guy whose mother did not kill him by aborting his lame ass. Shouldn't all have that same chance at life instead of being aborted? Maybe vasectomies wouldn't be a bad thing if you never want a child. You get to bang whoever and no fetuses die. Sounds like a win win to me.
I see what she’s doing. That shouldn’t be the focus. She should see about legalizing abortion.
Not to mention how many old men are having kids? She should have said 35.
Clearly it’s going to be thrown out and it should but I understand why she wants to do it because abortion is no ones business aside from the woman
It doesn't work that way. If she wants to abort, her body. If she wants to keep it, you both committed the sexual act. What men should do is bring their own condoms, wrap themselves up twice, and bring a morning after pill for added measure.
Don't trust a woman who says she's on birth control. Protect yourself.
Honestly I would HATE to be pregnant because of what I would have to endure during 9 months. But there are some screwed up women that exist.
Yes it does not currently but it should in my opinion. Imagine you have sex with someone use a condom and after you leave they use sperm from the condom to impregnate themself. Yes kinda extreme example🤣but if she gets to decide whether to abort or not their future child with no input from the male than i think we should get to decide if we want the rights and responsibilities
If its no one's business besides the woman, why need the state then?
Are you aware what the state is? What you are saying seems to be coming from an anarchist discourse.
Why do I always people like you on my answers for something so insignificant? There is no anarchist argument involved. Everyone has the right to body autonomy but since government officials--using a subjective moral compass to decide for others--feel that abortion shouldn't occur unless they follow certain situational guidelines instead of allowing people the right to their own body.
That's my point. There is an Amendment that limits the use of federal funds (taxes) on abortions except in the case of rape and incest. Guess what? Many people were doing it without federal funds anyway.
@anoniemus if people deserve bodily autonomy why are boys circumcised without their consent? in the 1970's it was believed in USA that circumcised men were better fighters. If it was found that a man was not circumcised, he was told to go to the dentist, put under anaesthesia and circumcised.
Why is this not public knowledge, why is/was there no outrage?
You have such an extreme double standard that I cannot take anything that you say seriously.
honestly i kind of support that.
okay okay.
BUT HEAR ME OUT.
so the main point is that as men get older, their genetic material gets more and more flaws. Mostly chromosome flaws. Those are dangerous. Thats how down syndrome people are born. Right now the numbers of down syndrome people and other chromosome problems are skyrocketing. Why? Because people choose to have kids when theyre old.
This doesn't only go for males. Women over 40 aren't able to have children anyway. So why not make it 45 for both genders?
That would be equality. That would be good for the country.
I am not trying to play god. Also saying that breasts cause breast cancer is like saying lungs are the main reason for lung cancer. Yes, it is true. But living without lungs is impossible. Living without reproductive system? Possible and not that bad. And here we're not even talking about that. Were talking about not having children over age of 50
"Point is that humans aren't meant to have children after 50"
You are 100% wrong. Of course humans were meant to have kids after 50 because they can do it. It's a really simple concept.
Yes you are playing God by controlling people's biological functions. You say we can maybe perhaps not because you are 16 and can't imagine being 50. You also haven't developed empathy at your age yet.
I meant the law is playing God. If you agree with wanting it then you support playing God.
"Humans aren't meant to have children after 50. Women are not able to. And men and women should be about the same age so no humans are not meant to"
You're very wrong. Women can't have children after 50 but we are talking about men on this question. Of course man can have children after 50. You think men and women should be the same age because you're 16 but in reality girls in their twenties and older often like older men. It's actually quite biological. If you look at the desirable ratings on this online dating statistics of men and women women are most desirable at 18 and men are most desirable at 50.
The point is women tend to be valued for beauty and men are valued by resources. 18 year boys only attract 16-18 year olds while a 50 year old guy can easily date from 30+ if he has money. He really doesn't even need money to do that, but it makes dating easy. I know 60 year old men with money that date 30+ as well.
Thank you Dr. Mengele. (Idiot).
You are such a product of public education. You have learned how to be an idiot liberal but you have not learned any real history.
Please just STFU, you are embarrassing yourself.
@_Jay_Yes, women over 40 can still get pregnant and have kids. What gave you that idea? I've known a few women who had a kid in their 50's. Certainly not the best time to have kids but still possible until menopause.
@KrakenAttackin
"You are such a product of public education. You have learned how to be an idiot liberal but you have not learned any real history."
I thought that too but in her defense it's not like she can control the influence of her school. I was super dumb at 16 too.
She's trying to make an argument which is totally fine and should be respected but it upset me because--well I was already in a bad mood today to begin with--but because this is a civil rights issue so I feel passionate.
But so what is a couple has a baby with autism or down syndrome? It is still a human too. It's mainly bad for the parents so it's really a selfish feeling because the parents will have to allocate more resources towards the kid.
Watch this. People with autism and down syndrome are still people.
https://youtu.be/vtS91Jd5mac
@cavmanier Yes, they got visits to David Hasselhoff and K. I. T. T. for example! Very nice to see so much happiness! And autistic people can be kick-ass awesome, not all for sure, like memory things or high-speed math in brain.
Autistic people are fine and one of my best friends has down syndrome. I have nothing against them. But i think that people just generally feel better if they are what we call medically normal. They get bullied less, have longer life expectancy and so on.
I dont think we should kill anyone. But like the kids who are born with mutations are just kinda sad themselves.
@cavmanier So is having babies a normal biological affair. Killing them isn't. I think killing babies should trump any worry about a vasectomy bill which will never pass. It actually sounds like a fake news article.
@_Jay_- you have not even mentioned one little but very important fact- requiring things like mandatory vasectomy wouldn’t even come close to passing constitutional muster. This is a completely moot argument/ question. Anyone over the age of 7 would know that. All this drivel about age etc. is completely irrelevant af.
Get a clue.
... yea it will not pass and it will never be made into a law. Im just saying that i am not against it. Like for all i care people can make babies with syndromes idc. It does have many positives, human freedom really being the only negative. But philosophically speaking, is freedom really necessary?
@cavmanier Yes, she is super-dumb at 16, but the problem is people like her have no concept of history and are not being taught real history. She will believe anything her progressive masters tell her and there is real danger here.
"Also @cabmanier if money is involved then it is not the person that is attractive. Its the money that is attractive."
No. Your way of thinking is limited. You are speaking in extremes. Being 16 you haven't developed the desire for money like older women have. Most women want it and that doesn't mean if they want a guy with money that they only care about the money.
@Daniela1982 I'm not sure what you are saying. If we limit ages people can have children on the basis of age risk statistics then we need to count every other risk factor like diet, race, health conditions, weight.
My body, my choice on if it want to keep it whole. The government won't touch it. That I guarantee. A law like that is a joke and it is ridiculous to support. 16 year olds at 40 will not feel the same.
"you're dismissing my arguments by saying im stupid due to my age"
I didn't say that. I said you lack perspective. You only perceive life in the context of "I'm 16 forever so therefore this law doesn't apply to me." So there is a bias / lack of empathy. Plus, your brain has little able to perceive empathy at your age to begin with. That is the problem.
My argument is that this is a civil rights issue where the government doesn't get to alter my body and how it functions due to what they believe is right. If that is the case, we need to factor in every known influence instead of age like an algorithm to be consistent due to your premise being statistical danger. And then we should take it a step further if we really have your intention and dna test everyone and only allow the most fit people to mate while giving vasectomies and hysterectomies to others.
I also believe you think down syndrome is bad because you don't have it. You want to minimize their kind existing but if you were like them, you would want to be alive too. You are actually technically intolerant to them in the most extreme way by definition. And realistically, people won't want them because of the extra money and responsibility. It's not like those people don't enjoy being alive. They aren't blobs of misery.
I'm done with this topic.
Yea they enjoy being alive. But they have it worse than most of us. Higher risks for heart diseases, spine problems, more obesity, sleep apnea and so on.
Im not saying i dislike the people. I just think that those same people could be born without the syndrome and before their parents are 50. I dont see how down syndrome makes them different people, if only, it might make them feel slightly worse. Which we could avoid with this law.
But i do agree with your points on the civil rights because indeed, humans have the right to decide what to do with their bodies. I support that. I dont much care if people have children over 50. Its just that different syndromes are skyrocketing due to that so that kind of sucks.
Tbh I agree with the idea that no one should have kids after age 40, malenor female, but I think forcing such a procedure on people goes against our rights.
You think that way at 16 and 23. You think you have infinite time, but some couples want kids beyond 40. That is where you lack empathy to others situations. Yes they have a higher risk on that factor, but statically the percentage is still low. If they are willing to take the "risk," why does that matter to you two? People with down syndrome can enjoy life as well. There is not data showing they are miserable or having them is cruel.
There is technology that is close to detecting down syndrome anyways. I don't know if it's done yet, but they can just test for that and terminate the fetus if that is your concern. That is much more appropriate than forced vasectomies and if your concern is down syndrome then it should be done to all ages.
But like this man says, he wanted to be born.
www.youtube.com/watch
@_Jay_- I read all your points in this discussion, and I am the last one to call you out for your age,. But you have expressed discrimination due to age throughout your narrative. You say it’s better if people over certain ages don’t have kids, but I’m sure that those who choose to do so have consulted medical experts all along the way, and are thoroughly counseled, but chose to do so anyway, presumably knowing the risks for their own individual circumstances. You sound like an authoritarian. You don’t understand at all what it’s like to have three and four times the life experience you have. You are barely one and a half decades old. You presume to have more wisdom than people with four or five decades of life experience.
I commend you for your persistence, and have no doubt that someday you will be a very influential person. When you grow up. That’s the part of wisdom you have not , apparently, understood.
THATS A HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATION YOU CRAZY FUCK
by the way the age of the mother is a lot more important for the health of the child than the fathers age. Therefore I conlude we sterilize all women after age 35.
Your fucking dumb. You don't even know what a chromosome is. WTF is wrong with you?
Yes it goes againts human rights but almost all countries go against them anyway. Your precious america too.
Fathers age is just as important. And chromosomes in my country are 8th class topic and im in 9th so fairly sure i do know what a chromosome is...
Now onto the iq stuff... if you knew what iq actually is, youd know that random fact knowledge has no value. So i might know what chromosome is and how humans mate but i might still have low iq.
I mean honestly like id be fine with being sterilized when i reach the age of 35. And so should men. I dont get why everyone is so triggered. I have said multiple times that this bill ain't gon pass anyway.
Aaand if im disabled then um... are you bullying a disabled child online? Wow a new level of low.
You don't know if you would be okay being sterilized in 20 years. You can't predict that. Even if you are okay with that option, you don't have the right to choose that for other families. I would personally fight to the death over an issue like this. No one will control what happens inside my body.
Hopefully your shortsighted life experience and partially developed brain are why you can't see how this is immoral. Otherwise you sound like you possibly have antisocial personality disorder. It's disturbing to hear your opinion.
Also again, everybody is just saying taht when i am your age, i will understand. No perhaps i will not. Having children over the age of 35 is just ridiculous. Calculating the risks? you're calculating the money you need to spend not how the person you will give life to will live their life. But thats the thing. Idc much for people. But i do think everyone should get an equal chance in the beginning. But that can't happen if were having miscarriages and all that everywhere.
I understand that its human rights violation and all. And that it won't pass in this way.
But i think that the idea itself im presenting is fine actually. We should just go for it with propaganda. Not like directly with the law.
"Having children over the age of 35 is just ridiculous."
Have your opinion but you won't decide if I decide to have a family. You control your body and I'll control mine. You try to control mine and I'll defend myself to the death. You can give all the risks you want. It's still my body, my choice and my family.
You take it soooooo personally. Look idc what you do. Im just saying that perhaps this would actually do some good. You either have difficulties understanding English if you haven't yet understood that I've been saying that for what 2 days now? Or you just enjoy using the one same argument that really has no value
@cavmanier While we are at it, if we deported all the black and brown people, the U. S. would have the murder rate of Belgium (fact), so should be deport all POC's because the statistics support this?
@KrakenAttackin We get into all kinds of messes like that.
I think people with down syndrome are fine people and if couples are willing to have a higher chance, I think that's their choice. I don't see why the government or anybody else should be involved in that decision. Government forced eugenics is much too authoritarian for my view. It's quite sickening.
Geesh - This is so asinine I had to look it up to make sure this wasn't a hoax! But there it was:
"HB 238, filed by Rep. Rolanda Hollis, D-Birmingham, would require a man to undergo a vasectomy after the birth of his third biological child or within one month of his 50th birthday. The bill also says the procedure would be done at the man’s own expense."
I guess this may stem from a grudge against men. As I looked for the vasectomy cite, I also found THIS! Check this out from a few months ago-
I would would gladely stand side by side with feminists and the women of Alabama and agree to this bill ONLY if the feminists of Alabama agree to the following circumstances regarding the women of Alabama :
1. All women must obey my commands at once and without question.
2. Women must never complain when I sleep with other women.
3. Under no circumstances are fat and ugly women to be within a 5 mile radius of me. Ever.
4. Women must not speak to me unless spoken to. I want to see them not hear them ( unless they are ugly- then I don't want to see them)
5. No women must ever disagree with me.
6. All women must address me as "Lord Big Cock" or " "Sweet Sugar Daddy"
7. On the first of each month they will line up and recieve a spanking.
8. Once the bill is passed all feminists in the State of Alabama must be rounded up and sent to Mars.
If the feminists of Alabama agree to these eight conditions I will drop everything and move to Alabama today.
Kind of stupid because what percentage of 50 year olds are getting bitches pregnant anyways? I can't imagine its a high number. Like I get it happens but obviously more younger guys get girls pregnant
You know how many women fall pregnant before or during menopause? Esp now with better Healthcare. Educate yourself and as a young women calling other women bitches, take a hard look in the mirror of your kennel
Well you should know better than to type what you did. The reason for vesectomy is to cut numbers down on abortions its not rocket science. Older women are falling pregnant and worry throughout pregnancy if their baby will be disabled when born, the ones who abort probably know the fetus is not developing normally and being older parents know they can't offer the baby the future it deserves
Vasectomies, like abortions, should be treated the same way. As options people can utilize as needed. Not forced upon people to have to do or not do.
Ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous. But what do you expect from bass-ackwards Alabama Reps. Spend the time, money, energy and influence on education rather than mandating medical procedures on citizens.
@Rissyanne another example where spending the time, money, energy and influence on education would be more effective at protecting every bodies rights
@Rissyanne Both are nuts.
@Massageman no I would say the left is. They are the ones who think a man can be a woman
@Rissyanne you do realize that’s just ignorant talk right?
http://www.logcabin.org/about-us/
im just trying to educate you that it isn’t only “the left” who acknowledge transgender individuals.
@Rissyanne apparently you’re wrong.
@Rissyanne Not MY opinion. Either you are wrong about a law forcing people to use the preferred pronouns, or you are wrong about saying they don’t have the right to make others “live in their delusion” You can choose which, but either way, factually, you are wrong.
@Rissyanne not wring? About which one?
@Rissyanne ok? Your point?
@Rissyanne not even close. Regardless of political party, the legislators in Alabama are bass avkward redneck morons.
It was this liberal reps use of irony to push back against the anti-abortion legislature proposed by the conservatives seeking to control women’s bodies and their choices. Gov’t regardless of political affiliation needs to stay out of the individuals bodies and their choices for their bodies.
I guess why not. Men already don't have protection from genital cutting at birth, so why should they have any bodily autonomy at all?
More seriously, this should have been struck down before immediately. This bill proves the absolute lunacy of our government, and the waste it creates.
With all this abortion talk, I've been wondering where the men are in this equation because it takes two to make a baby. Even if she just wrote this bill to make a point, I applaud that
The purpose of the bill is to counter the fact that Alabama passed a bill that has the real world effect of a full ban on abortion. It's subsequently been blocked by a Federal judge.
The point - and the sponsors are very clear about this - is to introduce legislation that imposes state control on the male reproductive system. Which is exactly what Alabama's abortion ban does to women.
Speaking for myself while I live far away from Alabama and the US.
Any nation has better chance of colonizing Jupiter than getting anywhere near my genitals with a sharp objects.
Breaking into area 51 is way more doable than breaking into my pants.
Anything is possible now days. Why in a world would a law force Males age 50 or older to get Vasectomy's , the next law will force Women age 35 to get their Tubes cut and Tied just crazy laws and the Governor of Alabama talked about passing a law for castration against Males who did sexual crimes against Females of any age and again this Governor of Alabama , Kay Ivey might have early stages of Alzheimer's?
Defend women's reproductive rights by taking away men's. Absolutely ridiculous.
It's nonsense. I understand that it's 'symbol action', that only has as aim to show how ridiculous it is to impose government restrictions on reproductive freedom for women, but it's not a valid 'way' to get me hop on the wagon to help the ladies defending their cause.
The government cannot force medical procedures on people. We would never stand for that.
I think we should all get vasectomies anyway tho.
"Theres too many men, too many people causing too many problems, and there's not much love to go around, can't you see this is the land of confusion"
Phil Collins "Land of confusion"
i had ine when i was 18 thinking i was gonna score more than that team in the super lol but sadly i got burned but i am lucky i had it done while regretting not being able to have kids. i an for it but i had the stupid choice but to force it is like rape but i guess women dont see it like that :/
It's nothing but a political statement and can't be taken seriously. This is super common in politics. It's also a waste of time and money introducing bills that are only for show and have zero chance of passing.
If you look at the Congressional record, you'll see a high percentage of bills that are like this. It's all show, to make a political statement. They never even make it out of committee and were never intended to. Most of the moral issues are like that.
Asinine isn’t it? Males ya glad you live in one of the most retarded states.
Definitely don’t back any billionaires or supposed billionaires like Trump. And presidents always take credit for the economy when they had little to do with it. It seems like you’re being tribal. Going anti-Democrat and such. Both parties are BS. I look for politicians I most agree with. Could be any side.
Completly stuffed up sexist view the fact that men very rarely have a say in any abortion and that that's not the case with a vasectomy and thats a fact and a abortion isn't permanent they can get pregnant straight away and i no for a fact just about all men pay for females abortions even though abortion isn't compulsuery that law is absolutely sexist disgusting and i can guarantee her political days are numbered mark my words i hope the man that's elected makes a law all females have to get there tubes tied at 50yo to offset the vasectomy effect and females have to pay for it through higher heath insurance premiums.
It's not computing to me I doubt something like this would ever pass. Is the issue to bring attention to the opinion that abortion should be the woman's choice not the government because it's her body just like getting a vasectomy has to do with his body? Sorry to answer a question with a question and I have an opinion on abortion but I don't feel it's my place to give it unless it effects me directly and I'm going to step up and be there to take care of the baby all the way to adulthood
That's dumb and wrong that's forched sterilization which is what the Nazis did.
It’s what the United States did as well. Look up “eugenics”.
@Doctor_Strix - I live in the U. S. and your lying ! that is not right ! forced male and female sterilization does not happen in the U. S for I live here in the U. S. ! so shut up , keep your pants zipped for no female wants you anyway !
@MissDawn7961 - A simple google search could have given you the answer.
@jspl90 - Thank you for your retort.
@Doctor_Strix Thanks for mentioning that, to go further the eugenics practices in Germany were inspired by and based on the practices in the US. America was the pioneer of eugenics in the 20th century.
I don't believe that should be done - some men may not have been able to get their life together until the age of 50 - others might be too weak for surgery
I think evey man should get a ultrasound performed on their testicles so they can see their live little sperms swimming around and then be made to wait 48 hours to make their final decision.
sounds a little too much to me, and is it even legal? don't think it would help protecting our rights either
Hell no. I understand not wanting kids at that age and preventing abortions. But the word "requirement" is what aggravates me.
I was born , raised in and still live here in America and it is in the U. S. ! there is no law in the U. S. America forcing anyone in to becoming sterilized so who ever says there is , is a big fat liar and the Lords vengeance is upon them ! Thanks
can you please stop talking about christianity like this? you’re giving christians a bad name
It's probably due to change of life babies being born, women over 50 are getting pregnant and giving birth or having abortions. Say male is older he isn't going to be fit to run after a child, let's be honest now.
What you are leaving out about this... it was proposed by a black female democrat. Rep Rolanda Hollis. You are misleading people that it was a conservative that proposed this bill.
How did the asker mislead people? And why does it matter whether it was a conservative or democrat who pushed this bill? The fact is that this bill is inhumane.
Also, it makes sense that it was a democrat. This bill is targetted at men as revenge for anti-abortion bills, which is dumb since men support abortion around the same amount as women do. The people who are attacking womens rights are rich religious organizations, I read a massive pew poll showing that 60% of women and 61% of men support abortion, and 77% of white evangelicals think abortion should be illegal.
Tl;dr stupid feminists are attacking men as revenge for something religion is causing.
@devilman666 people have the right to believe what they want
@Rissyanne you're right, but people don't have the right to force their beliefs on the rest of society. If muslims wanted to ban divorce everyone would freak out, but since it's christians banning abortion people aren't as outraged. Plus christian organizations have enough money to make huge donations to political campaigns, which is basically bribery.
www.pewforum.org/.../
This is just next level stupid...
Men after 50 rarely get woman pregnant...
What will happen, if he want kids? He has to have them before 50 and later just F**k you?
What is reasoning behind it, just to make feminists and abortion dislikers happy?
And why would a guy in there 50's wants a baby? Lol.
How are u gonna take care of it? Running after a kid with a back pain. Lol
Plus lets be real. Life span this days are shorter as it use to be. People don't live a healthy lifestyle anymore.
Why not?
He can take care of it...
A lot of 50+ people wealthy.
Why someone in 20, with only welfare money to support them would like to do it?
It is only shorter, because to many stupid people use drugs and kill themselves in process.
At 50? By then, some idiots have already fathered half a dozen kids with as many women! What would be the point?
Aside from the fact that it is a totally absurd, and STUPID idea, by some idiot, it wouldn't be Constitutional in any way!
How would requiring vasectomies (which will never happen) affect the unconstitutional abortion ban?
This sounds ridiculous and makes no sense but it is Alabama.
Quote your source please
Its no more ridiculous than the laws already existing controlling women's bodies
Like what?
@devilman666 every abortion bill in existence
@1truekhaleesi What's more ridiculous? Banning abortion? Or forcefully sterilizing women?
Also, to be fair, anti-abortion laws hurt both men and women. Becoming a father is a life changing event whether he tried to be a good parent or just sends child support to the mother. I would agree that it hurts women disproportionately, but a vasectomy bill would hurt only men. This bill seems like a clear act of hatred and sexism to me.
With all that said I don't support abortion bills either, I am Canadian and am quite happy with the way we have set up our abortion laws. Women here can terminate the pregnancy at any point in the pregnancy. I just think it's fucked up to take revenge against men like this, especially considering there are a lot of women who identify as pro-life. Women typically support abortion bills just as much as men do.
news.gallup.com/.../...lar-abortion-attitudes.aspx
@devilman666 Or we can just let women make their own decisions. Until a baby comes out of a man, the decision is up to the woman. Bottom line is that you can't another person what to do with their body. I'm an organ donor and I have it in my advanced directive that my organs go to people who need them. That would be illegal to do if someone didn't want that when they die. People respect a dead corpse more than a woman who wants an abortion
"A vasectomy would only hurt men." Awww now you know how we feel. I'm sorry, are women supposed to forget the last hundreds of years of history?
@1truekhaleesi did you read my comment? In my country women have free access to abortion at any stage of the pregnancy. I support abortion, I dont know why you're acting like I am the asshole here.
"Bottom line is that you can't force another person what to do with their body.", Good, so we agree that you can't force men to get a vasectomy.
Tbh I think everyone should be forced to donare organs after death, maybe thats just me though. I don't care what happens to my corpse after I die, and I dont see why anyone would. We have a need for more organs, to the point where we're trying to grow new organs.
"Awww now you know how we feel." Not really, I don't know any woman who has been forced into sterilization, therefore if this bill passes, you won't know how we feel. All I was saying is that abortion laws hurt both genders, and I pointed out that it hurts women more, which means this is not a fair comparison.
Finally, this act of revenge is very silly, women are pro-life just as often as men, meaning this isn't men attacking women's rights, it's religion attacking women's rights. To attack men as revenge for what religion did to you seems unjust to me. You'll hurt many men who fought against abortion laws.
Also, what are you going on about with the hundreds of years of history? It was kinda vague, are you upset about womens rights or abortion?
Abortion is a women's rights issue, they aren't completely separate topics. And just because you dont know any women who have been forced into sterilization that doesn't mean there are none, there have been tons. And tons who have been forced into having children.
Men may feel like anti abortion laws hurt you guys but in comparison to women its nothing. When men dont want a kid they can walk out, anti abortion laws prevent women from having that option. You're right in saying they hurt women more, but the difference is so huge that saying it hurts men is honestly ridiculous because in comparison to women, its nothing.
If anti abortion laws hurt men, then the vasectomy bill would hurt women too and it would prevent them from becoming mothers in old age if they want to.
@continuouslyconfused I never said abortion wasn't a womens rights issue I simply said that men are hurt by anti-abortion laws too. I have said twice now in these replies that I think it hurts women more.
As for your claims of women being forced into sterilization, I would ask for examples of that in a western country. Sure, in some countries there are a lot of human rights violations in general, so you can get an example of almost any horrible thing. The thing we are talking about is the bill in the usa, and as far as I can tell a forced sterilization would be illegal in most western countries. I disagree, there are many men who are destroyed by child support payments, where they pay huge percentages of their income, and they can't afford to pay the court costs to get it fixed. Personally my father didn't pay as much as he probably should have in child support, but that doesn't discount the thousands of fathers who are financially crippled by child support and alimony payments, many of whom are not given access to their children. I think it is ridiculous of you to say that it's nothing, even in comparison to women. Men who are unable to keep up with their payments and who are unable to appeal to the court can be imprisoned.
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Men can walk out on caring for the child, but they are usually forced to pay child support. There are cases where they get away without, but that is due to flaws in the legal system rather than a systemic issue.
That's a wrong comparison for a couple of reasons, when women are blocked from abortion, it makes the chance of men being financially crippled by a surprise pregnancy. With men being forced to undergo vasectomy, women aren't financially crippled and/or imprisoned. Second, women are usually infertile by the age of 50, so it wouldn't affect them much. With that said in my opinion no one at age 50 should have a child, man or woman, older aged parents are shown to be more likely to have birth defects or other problems with the child, however I wouldn't force that view on others.
You asked @1truekhaleesi if she was upset about womens rights or abortions, thats what I was referring to when I said they were the same
As for examples of forced sterilization, I got plenty of examples from right here in the U. S.! The forced sterilization of Native American women, Puerto Rican women, and black women have all happened here in the past. Those sterilization decreased their populations and therefore still effect the communities today. Forced sterilization happened in the US for for over a century, from about 1850-1981 I believe.
This has been stopped for the most part (thankfully) but many, many of these women are still alive. If they were sterilized at 20 in 1980, they're only 60 today. That's not very old, this wasn't something way in the past.
I was going to type out another argument but actually, you know what? If you guys really feel hurt by abortion then help us stop the laws being passed against it! The (mostly) men passing these laws are misogynistic and don't want to listen to us women anyways, so I greatly encourage any male who feels harmed by anti abortion laws to help us.
@continuouslyconfused ah, yes, I did ask that. I asked that in reference to what she said about the last hundreds of years of history. I am unsure if she meant the last hundreds of years of abortion, or the last hundreds of years of womens rights violations. I understand that abortion is a womens rights violation, but as far as I know it has not been going on for hundreds of years.
You are correct, I didn't know about that tbh. Men were steralized too, but you are correct that they specifically targetted groups of black and native women. They apparently forced sterilizations on the disabled and criminals as well. Personally, I would say that is more of a racial issue than a women's issue, it did target women, but it targetted them because of their race.
My point with bringing up women being steralized was in response to what khaleesi said, "awww now you know how we feel", and I still believe that that would be untrue, women in general are not being given forced steralization in the USA today. Women who have been given forced steralized would know how men would feel, but women in general wouldn't. This would target all men over the age of 50, not a group of minority women. I just feel like it was wrong of her to equivicate forced sterilization with anti-abortion laws. I disagree with both, but I personally think forced steralization is worse, though admittedly I am uncertain, they are very close in my eyes, I just view sterilization as being more permanent and destructive.
As for helping stop laws passed against abortion, I live in Canada, we have legal abortion here at all stages of the pregnancy. If I lived in america I would help, as many men already do. Many men fight against anti-abortion laws too, and the percentage of women who support anti-abortion laws is nearly the same as men who support anti-abortion laws in the USA. It is not a gendered issue in that way, it's not men vs women, it's politicians being swayed by religious organization. Yes, it is mostly men passing the laws, but that is because your government is primarily men. I think that is a problem, but acting like that means it's men vs women is incorrect. They don't want to listen to men either, because thats just poor voters, religious organizations donate huge amounts of money, so their values get pushed in the laws that are passed. If feminist organizations donated hundreds of millions of dollars then they could get abortion legalized federally, however that is not the answer, the electoral system desperately needs reform. In my opinion, they shouldn't be allowed to accept so much donations, their campaigns should be funded via government money. I suggest you vote for Bernie Sanders, because he is offering that level of change, the other candidates all seem like more of the same, Elizabeth Warren looked good at the start, but she backed out on a lot of policies like medicare4all and hired many people who had been on the Clinton campaign last election. I think this shows how she cannot be trusted to really change things, she would be like Obama in my opinion, lots of talk about the problems and pretending to be a populist during the election, but then a lack of action after elected.
news.gallup.com/.../...018-demographic-tables.aspx
www.pewforum.org/.../
These are sources for my claim that abortion isn't a male vs female issue. The first one is just a small poll that was done. In the second link you can even see a graph where male and female opinions are almost exactly the same. 60% of women say it should be legal, 61% of men. On the other hand, 77% of white evangelicals say it should be illegal. This is religion attacking womens issues, not men.
This is rich religious organizations attacking womens rights, not men.*
@1truekhaleesi yes since you didn't live in these years. Do you seriously want to discriminate men for nothing?
Your a crazy propaganda fueled idiot that needs help.
Your attitude is really disgusting and worrying, a prime example as to why women definitely aren't less sexist than men.
@Chase7777 that escalated quickly and totally off topic, but you do you.
@Chase7777 what?
@Chase7777 whatever you say as long as you shut up. Damn Canadians.
@Chase7777 that's my name don't wear it out
There is a reason a condom exist , if you think it will downplay the pleasure , there are methods to increase please with a condom (with lube)
This shit is getting out of hand unless America can get rid of it's fear of condoms
Vasectomies and abortions aren't even required unless necessary
That breaks every mans human rights, you can't force someone to undergo a potentially dangerous medical procedure. I'm pretty sure it's unconstitutional too. Also, will it be free or will they have to pay for it themselves.
On a side note, vasectomies have nothing to do with abortion
Pretty sure it's being proposed as a satirical joke/political stunt with no hope of actually passing, because by the same logic, forcing a hysterectomy on women would also work.
I'm trying to figure out how forcing men over 50 to get a vasectomy is supposed to neutralize the abortion restrictions. Or is this just a tit-for-tat response of some pissed off liberal female?
That bill makes no sense, why after the man reaches 50 or after the third child?
(notice it is not during the most fertile years of the man's life) whichever is the earliest,
I do note it was proposed by a Democrat and the bill was blocked from taking effect in November by U. S. District Judge Myron Thompson, who found it unconstitutional.
The Alabama attorney general's office did not appeal the temporary injunction.
Can we force women to have their tubes cut when they turn 50? Or is this only okay because we're taking the reproductive rights away from men?
If you're being reasonable about it those two aren't really the same. The female operation is much more serious and intrusive surgery, while a vasectomy is easy and not dangerous and can be done with local anaesthetic.
I can use a different method of neutering the women for the example, but I dont think it makes much difference. My point was to try to make an equivalent, which it mostly is.
If you really think the two aren't comparable, then just imagine the woman takes is forced to take a birth control pill everyday. The point is that if anyone tried to make a law like that, we'd have riots in the street.
Well nature takes care of it when it comes to women over 50.
I just don't agree men and women need to be forced into equality when there are clear biological differences. Is it fair it's easier to get a vasectomy? No it isn't, but that's just one of those things like is it fair women have periods and have to give birth. Some of our biology is different and it comes with pros and cons. But like I said in my reply I don't think anyone should be forced, but I don't mind if there is an incentive to do it.
We can roll it back to 40 then, if you don't have kids before that then you're probably immature anyways. *sarcasm*
Maybe you misread the question then? It said that men should be FORCED into the procedure. This is pure sexism because if this targetted women then we'd all be against it. I don't think anyone would be against incentives for it, but the asker said it would be forced.
Yes and I said it shouldn't be forced. But also my point was what would be the point in forcing a procedure on women when it's totally unnecessary? Women over 50 can't have kids most of the time and men can.
Anyway I don't think this is a real thing and it's not even in my country I was just commenting.
Doesn't matter if it's necessary, my point was to show how fucked up that would be. Is there any point to forcing men over 50 to get a vasectomy? He probably has erectile dysfunction anyways. There is no point, other than revenge. Women who want this vasectomy bill want it because they are upset about the abortion laws, so this is nothing but revenge. It's stupid though, men and women can both be pro-life, infact women tend to be pro-life just as much as men.
news.gallup.com/.../...lar-abortion-attitudes.aspx
It's not in my country either.
Well it does sound stupid and just a media political thing so I don't think it's anything to actually care about. But my only point was that male and female physiology is different, if you're with a wife and decide not to have kids it makes sense to have a vasectomy instead of your wife having serious surgery. I just think sometimes we need to ignore outright equality and use some common sense. I don't personally care if something is sexist if it's rational, for example if in a real world scenario a feminists children were trapped in a burning building and they could ask for men or women to save them... Are they really going to get women? I definitely wouldn't, they can barely break down doors and lack the physical strength you might need to move furniture and carry people. It's not fair, maybe it is sexist but it's just one of those things and I don't see a problem with just being rational.
Both are human rigths violations so no either an arbortion ban or forced vasectomy are both violating basic human rigths so get this morons out of your Goverment
How come the OP never has said squat? He comes and makes a controversial question and then runs and hides while laughing to himself at all the fighting in here.
Well fair is fair here, so I propose that all girls from the time their 12th birhday till they turn 21 must wear a chasity belt or till their wedding night whichever comes first. Pass that law with the vasectomy bill.
It’s dumb.
Would orefer we give vasectomies to men that dont pay their child support
It's a serious issue, and your irreverence of men is not helping. You can choose to sterilize yourself, as that is as far as your ideal could expand. Men already get their penises cut up from birth in this country. They already lack bodily autonomy. That's a serious issue, too, and in the same spectrum as forced vasectomies or sterilization. Any type of forced cutting on people is wrong. But I'm just some "serious" person who tried talking to a man hater.
@RickPen blah blah blah. My irreverence of men. I have no respect for men that don’t pay child support. That should be true if anyone. The fact that you attempt to defend it is a sign of your moral relativism. It’s ok to defend something bad as long as it supports my overall good Be gone. You have no idea who you’re talking to or what I’m about
But you're sexist in saying that about men only. Women don't always pay their child support, assuming they (very rarely) lose custody. Have you read into any of that information? If not, please do. Also, your genitals are protected from cutting; men's aren't. So, more sexism.
I'm the one who doesn't know what they're talking about? Please provide some backup to that erroneous statement, because I never defended men not paying, nor did I imply it, so your interpretation is flatly incorrect. What I directly addressed was your hatred of men, which you did not deny, so I'll continue with that premise.
Good day, man-hater.
@RickPen I don’t have to give a complete analysis of every position I hold on every question I answer.
The fact that you take one element of a response directed at another question as representative of my entire position related to some things sue not relevant to the question at hand just shows how weak you are
A 20yr old espousing these ideas can only be an incel. That’s right I peg you for being a delusional incel.
You might be involuntarily celibate but you can certainly voluntarily go somewhere else.
You could always try to carry on the conversation in a mature way, but you prefer to send insults and assumptive straw-man arguments my way instead of explaining your position, admitting that you have a problem, and growing from it. If I were in your age group, I'd be ashamed at how my generation was being represented by your reprehensible failure to communicate.
@RickPen It should be. Whoever winds up with custody should collect child support regardless of the sex. But just remember that, depending on how the pregnancy goes and whether there are complications, a woman may not be able to work for many months during and after a pregnancy and birth. That has to be taken into consideration.
@RickPen when you kick off the conversation by attempting to read things into what I don’t say about a topic that has nothing to do with the posters question it’s you who isn’t communicating and driving a biased agenda. As I pointed out earlier , you have no idea what the totality of my viewpoint is yet you assume you do. That’s a dumb thing to do.
You behave childishly and then yap about attacks and other nonsense
You aren’t a man. You’re meme.
Men already go ro prison, get their wages seized, and have to work more than one job to pay child support.
@RickPen She is too concerned with keeping her "right" to murder children up to and including partial birth.
Izumiblu How about we sterilize the welfare queens?
@KrakenAttackin another person that knows nothing about me but blathering on as though they do.
@ Izumiblu @RickPen So is this thread about the feminists or the misogynists? I find if funny that men and women can get together for sex and talk sweetly to each other during, but any other time they are at each other's throats.
@Izumiblu Silly cunt.
@Daniela1982 the question , about a proposed bill,, was a not clever comparison of vasectomies to the murder of children and had nothing to do with either misogyny or feminism. It was just stupid a stupid bill. I’m sure some will see the bill as a true defense of feminism but it’s not. It’s an assault on both women and men and babies.
These two yoyo’s are also an assault on actual men.
I don’t understand why the age 50 is being proposed? It seems like age discrimination and it cannot make it to becoming a law.
I don't mind vasectomies being encouraged but not enforced by law. Maybe pay people £500 for being sterilised? I'd do it
So men over 50 are they ones making all of the babies? WTF
Maybe they will add a reduction in school taxes to younger men that get vasectomies?
Kind of like reduction in dog license fees for dogs that are spayed and neutered?
That's what I thought too, what guys are having children after 50?
Everybody seems to be ignoring a simple question: "What proportion of the Alabama legislature are males over 50?"
Isn't she just trying to make the anti-abortionists think about how it feels to have no body control?
It should be like china. More than to kids and you are in tloubre. No forced birth control methods. Just know that you would pay a fine of 100,000 usd for every extra child. People will be unzipping their pants like crazy
Half the over 50s can't get erections anyway
You would know
@Twalli Those are not great odds, especially if the man is forced to undergo the surgery, and lacks the ability to pay for reversal.
Do the ends justify the means? We should ask that for every routine surgery, especially where a person can't consent. In this country I know of only one other surgery that fits those criteria, and the damage potential is extreme, but it's ignored. To me, men should have rights over their bodies. No parent should have a say how much penis they get to keep, and no government should tell a man when he should stop having children. Regardless of statistics, even if one person suffers, that is a failing, as that person has to live with consequences of someone else's choice.
That said, thank you for the statistical approach.
You don't know what you are talking about! I'm only 8 years away and my erections are hard. My diet is good and healthy for it. I eat banana, citrus, garlic and drink pomegranate juice, all considered as "natural Viagra". For the female side, eat omega-3 fatty acid enriched items, such as walnuts and drink pineapple juice (makes your pussy soft).
Crazy enough that it has no prayer of ever passing.
The USA doesn't force people to have surgery.
Some law-'makers' seem to run out of good ideas.
It surprises me that in 'the land of the free' there are so many restrictions proposed.
Alabama do the responsible thing… Someone needs to take her out to the wood shed and put a bullet in her brain.
the guy is an idiot. he is trying to make a point but the things he is proposing is not equivalent to restricting abortion. try again
The idiot guy is really a gal idiot, but regardless, you're right: this is NOT in any way, shape or form the equivalent.
I say stop telling people what to do with their bodies.
Well, killing a child is killing someone one else... sooooo..
Exactly, if they want to fuck their bodies up that is their prerogative.
@Rissyanne A black democrat with an idiotic idea... ** shocking **
@KrakenAttackin so what?
I swear a forced vasectomy must go against human rights
Well some say circumcision is too. But girls in some countries get circumcised by having their clitoris's removed or the clitoral hood, or both removed. So forced procedures do occur. It's also against human rights when the government subjects it's citizens to chemical or nuclear testing. But it didn't stop the US from doing it.
@cavmanier And it kills their way to experience sex in a healthy and painless way. Very painful in the act and forbidden by international law. Still some e. g. African communities practice this.
@roland77
Women get protection from the law while men don't. Men go around fucking women with dicks that can't feel the sex as well. It's the same thing as if we desensitize a woman's clit. And women loved the altered dicks because they see it everywhere in porn. It's disturbing, sad and a sign of low consciousness.
No. Body mutilation should never be a mandatory thing
I don't get it.
This seams counter productive:
A) over 50s have proven evolutionary survivability so taking them out of the gene pool is bad for it.
B) what has this got to do with abortion?
I can only find a few studies on this and they seem to mostly be implying that it reduces fertility as fewer sperm are built correctly to make the journey. Do you have a meta reference indicating this also effects the quality of the chromosomes the sperm is carrying? There is mention of a correlation between sperm age and autism/schizophrenia however mental illness diagnosis is not at the stage to draw conclusions from that.
There's quite a bit of interesting information to look at but it is hard to see under the business and political interests.
Can't see the study through the pay-wall but it is thankfully 1 study and relatively brief... That said if it's conclusions hold up this is not a good sign as it means we are now in a position where natural selection takes longer the genetic deterioration. What's that old phrase? "we die not with a bang but with a whimper" or something like that.
Oh I don't know why america has paywalls for everything. Ill find few more articles though dont worry. by the way thank you for actually reading stuff and like not just saying that oh you're wrong.
So here
www.nhs.uk/.../
www.mayoclinic.org/.../faq-20057873
www.google.com/.../babies-born-to-older-fathers-tend-to-have-more-medical-issues
www.telegraph.co.uk/.../
www.verywellfamily.com/being-an-older-parent-4155772
@_Jay_ www.google.com/.../ that’s a good article with what you are talking about
@Jay That's a good read. So jury is out which is hopeful (some older sperm is better, some older sperm is worse conclusions). Mostly boils down to needing controlled studies to filter out all the contributing factors that taint census studies. The correlation with psychological disorders is the most concerning.
@frost again that one is talking about the fertility of old sperm not congenital defects... The increase in X chromosomes is interesting but makes sense, as men have more genetic variation than women (evolution's guinea pig gender) it would be beneficial to have them with the most viable foetus and reduce risks.
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