@rissyanne Totally missing the point. Red states ban abortion, which is backward. This Dem legislator is using this vasectomy bill as publicity to fight it. Caught up now?
@OddBeMe no it shows how ignorant democrats are. Tell me do you back Bloomberg? And if Trump is doing such a terrible job... why is Obama taking credit for what Trump has done
Definitely don’t back any billionaires or supposed billionaires like Trump. And presidents always take credit for the economy when they had little to do with it. It seems like you’re being tribal. Going anti-Democrat and such. Both parties are BS. I look for politicians I most agree with. Could be any side.
Completly stuffed up sexist view the fact that men very rarely have a say in any abortion and that that's not the case with a vasectomy and thats a fact and a abortion isn't permanent they can get pregnant straight away and i no for a fact just about all men pay for females abortions even though abortion isn't compulsuery that law is absolutely sexist disgusting and i can guarantee her political days are numbered mark my words i hope the man that's elected makes a law all females have to get there tubes tied at 50yo to offset the vasectomy effect and females have to pay for it through higher heath insurance premiums.
It's not computing to me I doubt something like this would ever pass. Is the issue to bring attention to the opinion that abortion should be the woman's choice not the government because it's her body just like getting a vasectomy has to do with his body? Sorry to answer a question with a question and I have an opinion on abortion but I don't feel it's my place to give it unless it effects me directly and I'm going to step up and be there to take care of the baby all the way to adulthood
@Doctor_Strix - I live in the U. S. and your lying ! that is not right ! forced male and female sterilization does not happen in the U. S for I live here in the U. S. ! so shut up , keep your pants zipped for no female wants you anyway !
"The most significant era of eugenic sterilization was between 1907 and 1963, when over 64,000 individuals were forcibly sterilized under eugenics legislation in the United States" well at least somebody seems to think there was sterilization in usa😂
@Doctor_Strix Thanks for mentioning that, to go further the eugenics practices in Germany were inspired by and based on the practices in the US. America was the pioneer of eugenics in the 20th century.
I don't believe that should be done - some men may not have been able to get their life together until the age of 50 - others might be too weak for surgery
I think evey man should get a ultrasound performed on their testicles so they can see their live little sperms swimming around and then be made to wait 48 hours to make their final decision.
I was born , raised in and still live here in America and it is in the U. S. ! there is no law in the U. S. America forcing anyone in to becoming sterilized so who ever says there is , is a big fat liar and the Lords vengeance is upon them ! Thanks
It's probably due to change of life babies being born, women over 50 are getting pregnant and giving birth or having abortions. Say male is older he isn't going to be fit to run after a child, let's be honest now.
It's not your right to decide when a person has a child. You don't get to control their bodies. You're trying to play God. How about let his body function how it actually functions?
I don't care about statistics. If you want to go based on statistics we can get in all kinds of messes. we can start killing people after 70 something because they account for three-quarters of the healthcare bills or whatever.
Also, to be fair, anti-abortion laws hurt both men and women. Becoming a father is a life changing event whether he tried to be a good parent or just sends child support to the mother. I would agree that it hurts women disproportionately, but a vasectomy bill would hurt only men. This bill seems like a clear act of hatred and sexism to me.
With all that said I don't support abortion bills either, I am Canadian and am quite happy with the way we have set up our abortion laws. Women here can terminate the pregnancy at any point in the pregnancy. I just think it's fucked up to take revenge against men like this, especially considering there are a lot of women who identify as pro-life. Women typically support abortion bills just as much as men do.
@devilman666 Or we can just let women make their own decisions. Until a baby comes out of a man, the decision is up to the woman. Bottom line is that you can't another person what to do with their body. I'm an organ donor and I have it in my advanced directive that my organs go to people who need them. That would be illegal to do if someone didn't want that when they die. People respect a dead corpse more than a woman who wants an abortion
"A vasectomy would only hurt men." Awww now you know how we feel. I'm sorry, are women supposed to forget the last hundreds of years of history?
@1truekhaleesi did you read my comment? In my country women have free access to abortion at any stage of the pregnancy. I support abortion, I dont know why you're acting like I am the asshole here.
"Bottom line is that you can't force another person what to do with their body.", Good, so we agree that you can't force men to get a vasectomy.
Tbh I think everyone should be forced to donare organs after death, maybe thats just me though. I don't care what happens to my corpse after I die, and I dont see why anyone would. We have a need for more organs, to the point where we're trying to grow new organs.
"Awww now you know how we feel." Not really, I don't know any woman who has been forced into sterilization, therefore if this bill passes, you won't know how we feel. All I was saying is that abortion laws hurt both genders, and I pointed out that it hurts women more, which means this is not a fair comparison.
Finally, this act of revenge is very silly, women are pro-life just as often as men, meaning this isn't men attacking women's rights, it's religion attacking women's rights. To attack men as revenge for what religion did to you seems unjust to me. You'll hurt many men who fought against abortion laws.
Abortion is a women's rights issue, they aren't completely separate topics. And just because you dont know any women who have been forced into sterilization that doesn't mean there are none, there have been tons. And tons who have been forced into having children. Men may feel like anti abortion laws hurt you guys but in comparison to women its nothing. When men dont want a kid they can walk out, anti abortion laws prevent women from having that option. You're right in saying they hurt women more, but the difference is so huge that saying it hurts men is honestly ridiculous because in comparison to women, its nothing. If anti abortion laws hurt men, then the vasectomy bill would hurt women too and it would prevent them from becoming mothers in old age if they want to.
@continuouslyconfused I never said abortion wasn't a womens rights issue I simply said that men are hurt by anti-abortion laws too. I have said twice now in these replies that I think it hurts women more.
As for your claims of women being forced into sterilization, I would ask for examples of that in a western country. Sure, in some countries there are a lot of human rights violations in general, so you can get an example of almost any horrible thing. The thing we are talking about is the bill in the usa, and as far as I can tell a forced sterilization would be illegal in most western countries. I disagree, there are many men who are destroyed by child support payments, where they pay huge percentages of their income, and they can't afford to pay the court costs to get it fixed. Personally my father didn't pay as much as he probably should have in child support, but that doesn't discount the thousands of fathers who are financially crippled by child support and alimony payments, many of whom are not given access to their children. I think it is ridiculous of you to say that it's nothing, even in comparison to women. Men who are unable to keep up with their payments and who are unable to appeal to the court can be imprisoned.
Men can walk out on caring for the child, but they are usually forced to pay child support. There are cases where they get away without, but that is due to flaws in the legal system rather than a systemic issue.
That's a wrong comparison for a couple of reasons, when women are blocked from abortion, it makes the chance of men being financially crippled by a surprise pregnancy. With men being forced to undergo vasectomy, women aren't financially crippled and/or imprisoned. Second, women are usually infertile by the age of 50, so it wouldn't affect them much. With that said in my opinion no one at age 50 should have a child, man or woman, older aged parents are shown to be more likely to have birth defects or other problems with the child, however I wouldn't force that view on others.
You asked @1truekhaleesi if she was upset about womens rights or abortions, thats what I was referring to when I said they were the same
As for examples of forced sterilization, I got plenty of examples from right here in the U. S.! The forced sterilization of Native American women, Puerto Rican women, and black women have all happened here in the past. Those sterilization decreased their populations and therefore still effect the communities today. Forced sterilization happened in the US for for over a century, from about 1850-1981 I believe.
This has been stopped for the most part (thankfully) but many, many of these women are still alive. If they were sterilized at 20 in 1980, they're only 60 today. That's not very old, this wasn't something way in the past.
I was going to type out another argument but actually, you know what? If you guys really feel hurt by abortion then help us stop the laws being passed against it! The (mostly) men passing these laws are misogynistic and don't want to listen to us women anyways, so I greatly encourage any male who feels harmed by anti abortion laws to help us.
@continuouslyconfused ah, yes, I did ask that. I asked that in reference to what she said about the last hundreds of years of history. I am unsure if she meant the last hundreds of years of abortion, or the last hundreds of years of womens rights violations. I understand that abortion is a womens rights violation, but as far as I know it has not been going on for hundreds of years.
You are correct, I didn't know about that tbh. Men were steralized too, but you are correct that they specifically targetted groups of black and native women. They apparently forced sterilizations on the disabled and criminals as well. Personally, I would say that is more of a racial issue than a women's issue, it did target women, but it targetted them because of their race.
My point with bringing up women being steralized was in response to what khaleesi said, "awww now you know how we feel", and I still believe that that would be untrue, women in general are not being given forced steralization in the USA today. Women who have been given forced steralized would know how men would feel, but women in general wouldn't. This would target all men over the age of 50, not a group of minority women. I just feel like it was wrong of her to equivicate forced sterilization with anti-abortion laws. I disagree with both, but I personally think forced steralization is worse, though admittedly I am uncertain, they are very close in my eyes, I just view sterilization as being more permanent and destructive.
As for helping stop laws passed against abortion, I live in Canada, we have legal abortion here at all stages of the pregnancy. If I lived in america I would help, as many men already do. Many men fight against anti-abortion laws too, and the percentage of women who support anti-abortion laws is nearly the same as men who support anti-abortion laws in the USA. It is not a gendered issue in that way, it's not men vs women, it's politicians being swayed by religious organization. Yes, it is mostly men passing the laws, but that is because your government is primarily men. I think that is a problem, but acting like that means it's men vs women is incorrect. They don't want to listen to men either, because thats just poor voters, religious organizations donate huge amounts of money, so their values get pushed in the laws that are passed. If feminist organizations donated hundreds of millions of dollars then they could get abortion legalized federally, however that is not the answer, the electoral system desperately needs reform. In my opinion, they shouldn't be allowed to accept so much donations, their campaigns should be funded via government money. I suggest you vote for Bernie Sanders, because he is offering that level of change, the other candidates all seem like more of the same, Elizabeth Warren looked good at the start, but she backed out on a lot of policies like medicare4all and hired many people who had been on the Clinton campaign last election. I think this shows how she cannot be trusted to really change things, she would be like Obama in my opinion, lots of talk about the problems and pretending to be a populist during the election, but then a lack of action after elected.
These are sources for my claim that abortion isn't a male vs female issue. The first one is just a small poll that was done. In the second link you can even see a graph where male and female opinions are almost exactly the same. 60% of women say it should be legal, 61% of men. On the other hand, 77% of white evangelicals say it should be illegal. This is religion attacking womens issues, not men.
What you are leaving out about this... it was proposed by a black female democrat. Rep Rolanda Hollis. You are misleading people that it was a conservative that proposed this bill.
How did the asker mislead people? And why does it matter whether it was a conservative or democrat who pushed this bill? The fact is that this bill is inhumane.
Also, it makes sense that it was a democrat. This bill is targetted at men as revenge for anti-abortion bills, which is dumb since men support abortion around the same amount as women do. The people who are attacking womens rights are rich religious organizations, I read a massive pew poll showing that 60% of women and 61% of men support abortion, and 77% of white evangelicals think abortion should be illegal.
Tl;dr stupid feminists are attacking men as revenge for something religion is causing.
@Rissyanne you're right, but people don't have the right to force their beliefs on the rest of society. If muslims wanted to ban divorce everyone would freak out, but since it's christians banning abortion people aren't as outraged. Plus christian organizations have enough money to make huge donations to political campaigns, which is basically bribery. www.pewforum.org/.../
At 50? By then, some idiots have already fathered half a dozen kids with as many women! What would be the point? Aside from the fact that it is a totally absurd, and STUPID idea, by some idiot, it wouldn't be Constitutional in any way!
How would requiring vasectomies (which will never happen) affect the unconstitutional abortion ban? This sounds ridiculous and makes no sense but it is Alabama. Quote your source please
That breaks every mans human rights, you can't force someone to undergo a potentially dangerous medical procedure. I'm pretty sure it's unconstitutional too. Also, will it be free or will they have to pay for it themselves.
On a side note, vasectomies have nothing to do with abortion
Pretty sure it's being proposed as a satirical joke/political stunt with no hope of actually passing, because by the same logic, forcing a hysterectomy on women would also work.
I'm trying to figure out how forcing men over 50 to get a vasectomy is supposed to neutralize the abortion restrictions. Or is this just a tit-for-tat response of some pissed off liberal female?
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Asinine isn’t it? Males ya glad you live in one of the most retarded states.
Funny how most backward states are the most conservative.
Since you think you know so much. This bill was proposed by a black female democrat
@rissyanne Totally missing the point. Red states ban abortion, which is backward. This Dem legislator is using this vasectomy bill as publicity to fight it. Caught up now?
@OddBeMe I realize that... but you must’ve.
Must’ve what? Realize this bill is idiotic? Yes. But it shines light on GOP hypocrisy. They legislate women’s bodies the same way.
@OddBeMe no it shows how ignorant democrats are. Tell me do you back Bloomberg? And if Trump is doing such a terrible job... why is Obama taking credit for what Trump has done
Definitely don’t back any billionaires or supposed billionaires like Trump. And presidents always take credit for the economy when they had little to do with it. It seems like you’re being tribal. Going anti-Democrat and such. Both parties are BS. I look for politicians I most agree with. Could be any side.
@OddBeMe that will give you free stuff?
I’m a business owner who’s been paying more than my fair share of taxes. Yet I’m for expanding entitlements. Weird huh?
@OddBeMe no stupid. I think you should give all your profits to some illegals
Or pay for your unemployment? Medicaid for your poverty spawn?
@OddBeMe I have a job you idiot also I have insurance. My kids have jobs and insurance
Completly stuffed up sexist view the fact that men very rarely have a say in any abortion and that that's not the case with a vasectomy and thats a fact and a abortion isn't permanent they can get pregnant straight away and i no for a fact just about all men pay for females abortions even though abortion isn't compulsuery that law is absolutely sexist disgusting and i can guarantee her political days are numbered mark my words i hope the man that's elected makes a law all females have to get there tubes tied at 50yo to offset the vasectomy effect and females have to pay for it through higher heath insurance premiums.
Defend women's reproductive rights by taking away men's. Absolutely ridiculous.
It's not computing to me I doubt something like this would ever pass. Is the issue to bring attention to the opinion that abortion should be the woman's choice not the government because it's her body just like getting a vasectomy has to do with his body? Sorry to answer a question with a question and I have an opinion on abortion but I don't feel it's my place to give it unless it effects me directly and I'm going to step up and be there to take care of the baby all the way to adulthood
That's dumb and wrong that's forched sterilization which is what the Nazis did.
It’s what the United States did as well. Look up “eugenics”.
@Doctor_Strix - I live in the U. S. and your lying ! that is not right ! forced male and female sterilization does not happen in the U. S for I live here in the U. S. ! so shut up , keep your pants zipped for no female wants you anyway !
"The most significant era of eugenic sterilization was between 1907 and 1963, when over 64,000 individuals were forcibly sterilized under eugenics legislation in the United States" well at least somebody seems to think there was sterilization in usa😂
@MissDawn7961 - A simple google search could have given you the answer.
@jspl90 - Thank you for your retort.
@Doctor_Strix Thanks for mentioning that, to go further the eugenics practices in Germany were inspired by and based on the practices in the US. America was the pioneer of eugenics in the 20th century.
I don't believe that should be done - some men may not have been able to get their life together until the age of 50 - others might be too weak for surgery
I think evey man should get a ultrasound performed on their testicles so they can see their live little sperms swimming around and then be made to wait 48 hours to make their final decision.
At least the gop legislators should. Everytime they want to masturbate.
Ultrasounds actually kill sperm it was being tested as a male birth control method a few years ago
Lucky we have so many of them. All with ole factory systems to sniff out the lady’s egg.
@frost252 It does? I need to check search engines!
From a logic point of view, yes.
sounds a little too much to me, and is it even legal? don't think it would help protecting our rights either
Hell no. I understand not wanting kids at that age and preventing abortions. But the word "requirement" is what aggravates me.
I was born , raised in and still live here in America and it is in the U. S. ! there is no law in the U. S. America forcing anyone in to becoming sterilized so who ever says there is , is a big fat liar and the Lords vengeance is upon them ! Thanks
can you please stop talking about christianity like this? you’re giving christians a bad name
It's probably due to change of life babies being born, women over 50 are getting pregnant and giving birth or having abortions. Say male is older he isn't going to be fit to run after a child, let's be honest now.
It's not your right to decide when a person has a child. You don't get to control their bodies. You're trying to play God. How about let his body function how it actually functions?
I don't care about statistics. If you want to go based on statistics we can get in all kinds of messes. we can start killing people after 70 something because they account for three-quarters of the healthcare bills or whatever.
Its no more ridiculous than the laws already existing controlling women's bodies
Like what?
@devilman666 every abortion bill in existence
@1truekhaleesi What's more ridiculous? Banning abortion? Or forcefully sterilizing women?
Also, to be fair, anti-abortion laws hurt both men and women. Becoming a father is a life changing event whether he tried to be a good parent or just sends child support to the mother. I would agree that it hurts women disproportionately, but a vasectomy bill would hurt only men. This bill seems like a clear act of hatred and sexism to me.
With all that said I don't support abortion bills either, I am Canadian and am quite happy with the way we have set up our abortion laws. Women here can terminate the pregnancy at any point in the pregnancy. I just think it's fucked up to take revenge against men like this, especially considering there are a lot of women who identify as pro-life. Women typically support abortion bills just as much as men do.
news.gallup.com/.../...lar-abortion-attitudes.aspx
@devilman666 Or we can just let women make their own decisions. Until a baby comes out of a man, the decision is up to the woman. Bottom line is that you can't another person what to do with their body. I'm an organ donor and I have it in my advanced directive that my organs go to people who need them. That would be illegal to do if someone didn't want that when they die. People respect a dead corpse more than a woman who wants an abortion
"A vasectomy would only hurt men." Awww now you know how we feel. I'm sorry, are women supposed to forget the last hundreds of years of history?
@1truekhaleesi did you read my comment? In my country women have free access to abortion at any stage of the pregnancy. I support abortion, I dont know why you're acting like I am the asshole here.
"Bottom line is that you can't force another person what to do with their body.", Good, so we agree that you can't force men to get a vasectomy.
Tbh I think everyone should be forced to donare organs after death, maybe thats just me though. I don't care what happens to my corpse after I die, and I dont see why anyone would. We have a need for more organs, to the point where we're trying to grow new organs.
"Awww now you know how we feel." Not really, I don't know any woman who has been forced into sterilization, therefore if this bill passes, you won't know how we feel. All I was saying is that abortion laws hurt both genders, and I pointed out that it hurts women more, which means this is not a fair comparison.
Finally, this act of revenge is very silly, women are pro-life just as often as men, meaning this isn't men attacking women's rights, it's religion attacking women's rights. To attack men as revenge for what religion did to you seems unjust to me. You'll hurt many men who fought against abortion laws.
Also, what are you going on about with the hundreds of years of history? It was kinda vague, are you upset about womens rights or abortion?
Abortion is a women's rights issue, they aren't completely separate topics. And just because you dont know any women who have been forced into sterilization that doesn't mean there are none, there have been tons. And tons who have been forced into having children.
Men may feel like anti abortion laws hurt you guys but in comparison to women its nothing. When men dont want a kid they can walk out, anti abortion laws prevent women from having that option. You're right in saying they hurt women more, but the difference is so huge that saying it hurts men is honestly ridiculous because in comparison to women, its nothing.
If anti abortion laws hurt men, then the vasectomy bill would hurt women too and it would prevent them from becoming mothers in old age if they want to.
@continuouslyconfused I never said abortion wasn't a womens rights issue I simply said that men are hurt by anti-abortion laws too. I have said twice now in these replies that I think it hurts women more.
As for your claims of women being forced into sterilization, I would ask for examples of that in a western country. Sure, in some countries there are a lot of human rights violations in general, so you can get an example of almost any horrible thing. The thing we are talking about is the bill in the usa, and as far as I can tell a forced sterilization would be illegal in most western countries. I disagree, there are many men who are destroyed by child support payments, where they pay huge percentages of their income, and they can't afford to pay the court costs to get it fixed. Personally my father didn't pay as much as he probably should have in child support, but that doesn't discount the thousands of fathers who are financially crippled by child support and alimony payments, many of whom are not given access to their children. I think it is ridiculous of you to say that it's nothing, even in comparison to women. Men who are unable to keep up with their payments and who are unable to appeal to the court can be imprisoned.
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Men can walk out on caring for the child, but they are usually forced to pay child support. There are cases where they get away without, but that is due to flaws in the legal system rather than a systemic issue.
That's a wrong comparison for a couple of reasons, when women are blocked from abortion, it makes the chance of men being financially crippled by a surprise pregnancy. With men being forced to undergo vasectomy, women aren't financially crippled and/or imprisoned. Second, women are usually infertile by the age of 50, so it wouldn't affect them much. With that said in my opinion no one at age 50 should have a child, man or woman, older aged parents are shown to be more likely to have birth defects or other problems with the child, however I wouldn't force that view on others.
You asked @1truekhaleesi if she was upset about womens rights or abortions, thats what I was referring to when I said they were the same
As for examples of forced sterilization, I got plenty of examples from right here in the U. S.! The forced sterilization of Native American women, Puerto Rican women, and black women have all happened here in the past. Those sterilization decreased their populations and therefore still effect the communities today. Forced sterilization happened in the US for for over a century, from about 1850-1981 I believe.
This has been stopped for the most part (thankfully) but many, many of these women are still alive. If they were sterilized at 20 in 1980, they're only 60 today. That's not very old, this wasn't something way in the past.
I was going to type out another argument but actually, you know what? If you guys really feel hurt by abortion then help us stop the laws being passed against it! The (mostly) men passing these laws are misogynistic and don't want to listen to us women anyways, so I greatly encourage any male who feels harmed by anti abortion laws to help us.
@continuouslyconfused ah, yes, I did ask that. I asked that in reference to what she said about the last hundreds of years of history. I am unsure if she meant the last hundreds of years of abortion, or the last hundreds of years of womens rights violations. I understand that abortion is a womens rights violation, but as far as I know it has not been going on for hundreds of years.
You are correct, I didn't know about that tbh. Men were steralized too, but you are correct that they specifically targetted groups of black and native women. They apparently forced sterilizations on the disabled and criminals as well. Personally, I would say that is more of a racial issue than a women's issue, it did target women, but it targetted them because of their race.
My point with bringing up women being steralized was in response to what khaleesi said, "awww now you know how we feel", and I still believe that that would be untrue, women in general are not being given forced steralization in the USA today. Women who have been given forced steralized would know how men would feel, but women in general wouldn't. This would target all men over the age of 50, not a group of minority women. I just feel like it was wrong of her to equivicate forced sterilization with anti-abortion laws. I disagree with both, but I personally think forced steralization is worse, though admittedly I am uncertain, they are very close in my eyes, I just view sterilization as being more permanent and destructive.
As for helping stop laws passed against abortion, I live in Canada, we have legal abortion here at all stages of the pregnancy. If I lived in america I would help, as many men already do. Many men fight against anti-abortion laws too, and the percentage of women who support anti-abortion laws is nearly the same as men who support anti-abortion laws in the USA. It is not a gendered issue in that way, it's not men vs women, it's politicians being swayed by religious organization. Yes, it is mostly men passing the laws, but that is because your government is primarily men. I think that is a problem, but acting like that means it's men vs women is incorrect. They don't want to listen to men either, because thats just poor voters, religious organizations donate huge amounts of money, so their values get pushed in the laws that are passed. If feminist organizations donated hundreds of millions of dollars then they could get abortion legalized federally, however that is not the answer, the electoral system desperately needs reform. In my opinion, they shouldn't be allowed to accept so much donations, their campaigns should be funded via government money. I suggest you vote for Bernie Sanders, because he is offering that level of change, the other candidates all seem like more of the same, Elizabeth Warren looked good at the start, but she backed out on a lot of policies like medicare4all and hired many people who had been on the Clinton campaign last election. I think this shows how she cannot be trusted to really change things, she would be like Obama in my opinion, lots of talk about the problems and pretending to be a populist during the election, but then a lack of action after elected.
news.gallup.com/.../...018-demographic-tables.aspx
www.pewforum.org/.../
These are sources for my claim that abortion isn't a male vs female issue. The first one is just a small poll that was done. In the second link you can even see a graph where male and female opinions are almost exactly the same. 60% of women say it should be legal, 61% of men. On the other hand, 77% of white evangelicals say it should be illegal. This is religion attacking womens issues, not men.
This is rich religious organizations attacking womens rights, not men.*
No you crazy lunatic. It's so laughable that women always want to be the victims even if they are obviously not.
Forced abortion would be equivalent you stupid fuck.
@1truekhaleesi yes since you didn't live in these years. Do you seriously want to discriminate men for nothing?
Your a crazy propaganda fueled idiot that needs help.
Your attitude is really disgusting and worrying, a prime example as to why women definitely aren't less sexist than men.
@Chase7777 that escalated quickly and totally off topic, but you do you.
@1truekhaleesi oh yes totally inappropriate response to someone who advocates for human right violations because of things they didn't experience.
@Chase7777 what?
@1truekhaleesi I guess you're to dumb to talk to.
@Chase7777 whatever you say as long as you shut up. Damn Canadians.
@1truekhaleesi?
@Chase7777 that's my name don't wear it out
What you are leaving out about this... it was proposed by a black female democrat. Rep Rolanda Hollis. You are misleading people that it was a conservative that proposed this bill.
How did the asker mislead people? And why does it matter whether it was a conservative or democrat who pushed this bill? The fact is that this bill is inhumane.
Also, it makes sense that it was a democrat. This bill is targetted at men as revenge for anti-abortion bills, which is dumb since men support abortion around the same amount as women do. The people who are attacking womens rights are rich religious organizations, I read a massive pew poll showing that 60% of women and 61% of men support abortion, and 77% of white evangelicals think abortion should be illegal.
Tl;dr stupid feminists are attacking men as revenge for something religion is causing.
Lol, so black female democrats can't be complete lunatics. I guess that's why she got arrested for domestic abuse.
@devilman666 people have the right to believe what they want
@Rissyanne you're right, but people don't have the right to force their beliefs on the rest of society. If muslims wanted to ban divorce everyone would freak out, but since it's christians banning abortion people aren't as outraged. Plus christian organizations have enough money to make huge donations to political campaigns, which is basically bribery.
www.pewforum.org/.../
This is just next level stupid...
Men after 50 rarely get woman pregnant...
What will happen, if he want kids? He has to have them before 50 and later just F**k you?
What is reasoning behind it, just to make feminists and abortion dislikers happy?
And why would a guy in there 50's wants a baby? Lol.
How are u gonna take care of it? Running after a kid with a back pain. Lol
Plus lets be real. Life span this days are shorter as it use to be. People don't live a healthy lifestyle anymore.
Why not?
He can take care of it...
A lot of 50+ people wealthy.
Why someone in 20, with only welfare money to support them would like to do it?
It is only shorter, because to many stupid people use drugs and kill themselves in process.
At 50? By then, some idiots have already fathered half a dozen kids with as many women! What would be the point?
Aside from the fact that it is a totally absurd, and STUPID idea, by some idiot, it wouldn't be Constitutional in any way!
How would requiring vasectomies (which will never happen) affect the unconstitutional abortion ban?
This sounds ridiculous and makes no sense but it is Alabama.
Quote your source please
There is a reason a condom exist , if you think it will downplay the pleasure , there are methods to increase please with a condom (with lube)
This shit is getting out of hand unless America can get rid of it's fear of condoms
Vasectomies and abortions aren't even required unless necessary
Abortions are always necessary.
@OddBeMe ah yes in case of rape but I'm talking about sex with consent that resulted in unwanted pregnancy
That breaks every mans human rights, you can't force someone to undergo a potentially dangerous medical procedure. I'm pretty sure it's unconstitutional too. Also, will it be free or will they have to pay for it themselves.
On a side note, vasectomies have nothing to do with abortion
Pretty sure it's being proposed as a satirical joke/political stunt with no hope of actually passing, because by the same logic, forcing a hysterectomy on women would also work.
I'm trying to figure out how forcing men over 50 to get a vasectomy is supposed to neutralize the abortion restrictions. Or is this just a tit-for-tat response of some pissed off liberal female?
Feminazi got pissed, I guess.