When a mass shooting happens, who do you blame?

[ActiveSh1tter]

I blame the guns. Ban all guns!

I blame the people at the workplace or school who bullied the shooter and caused him to go over the edge. Eat lead motherfuckers!

I blame the shooter. It's not the guns' fault. And nothing justifies killing.

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Update: Just fyi, FBI can't track you if you post anonymously and vote. So you don't have to pick the last one ☺️

[nightdrot]

This is not hard. The shooter. However, to affix blame is not thereby to address the problem. Man's imperfection is a given, how we manage and restrain it is dealt with in law and custom.

Presuming the question is about the merits - or lack of same - about gun control, we accept, with any right, the potentiality that it may conduce to evil as much as it may conduce to good. The method by which a right is exercised is less consequential then the social context and intellectual suppositions in which it is exercised.

The real issue with the Second Amendment is that rights are viewed by Americans in absolutist terms. As Burke pointed out, such "natural rights" do exist, but "their abstract perfection is their practical defect." Such rights are applied with too little regard to the cultural context in which they exist.

There is much to suggest that the culture is incapable of prudently and sensibly managing the rights it abstractly attributes to itself. Alexander Hamilton made the point that if you have a Bill of Rights you extend to the government the authority to regulate those rights.

Indeed, the regulation of those rights is actually routine. Free speech is limited by slander, perjury, defamation and copyright laws, among others. Freedom of religion is allowed consistent with public order - if a religion calls for human sacrifice, it is prohibited. There are other examples and the list is long.

However, in the matter of the right to bear arms, in part, guns are woven into the culture in various ways. An emphasis on self-defense - particularly in urban areas where crime tends to be high - rural areas where hunting is an important sport, gun collectors and gun clubs, and, as you noted, an ethic rooted in America's libertarian traditions of resistance to tyranny. (Though the notion that the government is a threat to liberty at this interregnum in the nation's life is patently absurd. So supine is the government that it cannot even balance its budget lest it ask the public to pay for what they buy.)

The segment of the population that tends toward absolutism on the Second Amendment is actually quite small, but is extremely intense. Whereas those who take a more nuanced view of gun rights tend to be less intense and more ambivalent. It is not generally their top priority and so the country tends, on the whole, to give both culturally and legally a wide scope to gun rights.

However, it is not at all clear that the culture, as it devolves into a populist tone and an abstract libertarianism with an emphasis on individualism at the expense of community standards, that the society can handle responsibly the rights it has accrued to itself. Including gun rights.

Burke said "men have no right to that which is not reasonable," and rights must be defined through the prism of the context in which they are exercised. What the nation has in the Second Amendment is a right that presupposes an ethic of community standards that are at this moment in the nation's life, at best, fraying. In short, that presupposition needs to be re-examined and, pace Hamilton, the right needs to be regulated in the light of such a re-examination.

In short, what matters is not the method, but the ethical and social context in which rights are defined and exercised. Americans are, in this time in history, inclined to view freedom as an end in itself and not a means to an end and thus rights are defined in absolutist terms.

Guns and shooters ever shall their be. It is how we manage that reality that opens the gun control debate. The larger question being is freedom an end in itself, or a means to the pursuit of virtue. We then limit freedom by the dictates of prudence and not based on who pulled the trigger.

[NyteLyte]

There is a lot of people at fault here. The parents could be at fault for bad parenting, bad environment (like fighting with their partners, drinking alcohol, constantly yelling), child neglect, child abuse, etc. Just depends on the situation. How is the person's environment at school? Is he/she a loner? Does he/she get bullied? Does he/she not talk much? Is he/she always being bombarded with work and more? Etc. How about the shooters mental health? Does he/she have anger problems? Does he/she have anti social problems? Does he/she struggle with depression? Does he/she show lack of interest or motivation in doing things? Is he/she a sociopath/psychopath? Etc. Now, how did the person get a hold of the gun? Parents? Family memebers? A friend? Maybe even a stranger? Security, How tight is security there? How many people are on security? Are the security guards armed? Metal detectors? Security cameras? Etc.

[PrimalInstinct]

I blame the teachers who did nothing to stop the behavior before the student got desperate (same in suicide cases). My brother was bullied at school. Shoved down a staircase, could have easily broken his back or neck. Teacher & principle's worthless response > boys will be boys.

I blame the bullies’ parents for raising animals instead of decent human beings (no discipline, no enforced consequences to actions, etc) & who bitch to the principle or school board about “meanie” teachers trying to control these little beasts while attempting to teach everyone else.

I blame a lack of education on mental health. Particularly in schools/among staff. The general knowledge of mental health issues & the signs available to the public is more or less useless. Unless someone has a relative or friend with an issue average joe & jane don’t know, don’t understand & they can’t really help.

I blame the parents of the bullied for not caring enough. Either they are working hard jobs and don’t have the time to realize little Bobby is acting weird. Or they’re of that “suck-it-up-buttercup” / “why are you so weak” mentality some parents (bullies in themselves) have.

I blame the ignorance about guns. If you keep a gun it’s not supposed to be stored loaded & generally if you review the actual laws (may change per state) ammo is not supposed to be readily accessible. Yet many people do just that & they make it incredibly easy for people to kill themselves or others.

Last I blame the shooter. Unless he is a psychopath he's more often than not a kid who was pushed to the edge. Same as what happens when employees who are fired go back to their former work place & shoot it up.

[Factualman125]

OH MY GOD YES FINALLY ! Someone with common sense

You mam are a lady of intelligence

I love you for speaking the truth

[OddBeMe]

So on top of teaching 30+ kids enough to pass a standardized test, they should be responsible for all bullying? Pretty sure the bullies parents have more negligence.

[PrimalInstinct]

@OddBeMe ROFL. I have three relatives & two friends who are teachers. It's not hard to stop bullying. Not much different than keeping kids in line while teaching otherwise, you know, there'd be a circus in every classroom.

It's more the fact the school boards & principles are spineless cowards - as one family friend (teacher) can attest when the useless school board did nothing about a student who threatened her with a knife - & because the bullies' parents are typically loud mouthed will-raise-a-stink low brow trash why nothing's done.

[PrimalInstinct]

@OddBeMe Not to mention this PC crap hogties any attempts at discipline & I'm not talking about physical discipline but even putting a kid in time out is "mean" nowadays.

[Factualman125]

@OddBeMe dude your just scapegoating to gun culture which is of course one of the issue

But far more toxic and dangerous is schools bully culture where the schools punished the bullied instead of the bully

[katiee01505]

It's more complicated than any of the options. Typically, everyone involved could've done something to prevent it. Bullying is usually the problem but most bullying stems from being uneducated or teenage ignorance and most will grow out of it. That could be stopped by educating others and having teachers/parents/other students watch out for others and know the signs of someone who is possibly going to hurt themselves or others. The shooter is often bullied or suffering from a mental illness, which while it does not justify them hurting others, gives a reason and it can usually be stopped by going to therapy or talking to someone trusted. The gun debate is very controversial but I personally think banning certain guns would help. Guns that can mow down twelve kids in one flick of the arms obviously aren't safe and are usually the gun used, if we banned guns like that it would be easier to prevent deaths and escape unharmed. Other countries that have banned certain or all guns have low rates for school shootings such as Australia, they haven't had a school shooting since the 80s while America has them practically every week. I won't use England because they have a knifing problem (though, to be fair, it's easier to run away from a knife than a gun). It's a complicated thing that cannot be answered with three options. Thank for reading my PSA.

[Daniela1982]

I'm thinking most of the people who were shooters were disgruntled in some way, by bullying or other. But with poor mental health care I'm pretty sure it is not guns that are the problem.

[OddBeMe]

We do know. 30,000+ gun deaths a year in US. Less than a hundred in every other country.

[Daniela1982]

@OddBeMe You're full of it. There are many more killed by guns in other countries, especially where there are cruel dictators. They are just suppressed if there are even any news reporters in those countries. There are a lot more killed by abortions than all those killed by guns. So go stand on your soap box trying to stop abortions. Some estimate the number to be much lower, but no one knows exactly how many babies are aborted each year across the world. Abortion statistics in the United States, though limited, are reliable. Approximately 3,000 unborn babies are aborted every day in America and close to 1 million every year. So put that in your pipe and smoke it.

[OddBeMe]

Maybe start worrying about born babies. If you want to put the US on par with Uganda for gun deaths- you’d still be wrong. We are the world’s worst for gun deaths.

[Daniela1982]

@OddBeMe Like I said many times. Take care of the mental health problem in the United States and shooting would dwindle to a few. All these shooters are either not in their right minds, or cold blooded killers. But they would not need a gun to kill anyone. I mean you had a cop shoot and kill his estranged wife and her friend in a restaurant. Goes to show you even cops can kill in mentally stressed enough. The Mental Health coverage on most insurance policies is a joke. That and mental health providers are overworked and overbooked, so much that it takes a week or more to get an appointment. By that time the deed may have already taken place. A great help that is.

[OddBeMe]

Are you so gun crazy you’d rather try every other option before adding just a few safety laws into practice? Let’s join the rest of the world and have common sense gun safety laws.

[Daniela1982]

@OddBeMe They already have a ton of gun laws in California but that doesn't keep the gangs from getting them. Felons are not supposed to possess them but do. Instead of throwing the book at them they just plea bargain it down. So basically they are not enforcing the laws we have so why make more?

[ActiveSh1tter]

In California they get guns from other states where guns are legal. If you ban all guns in the US then there will be no more place to get them.

[NaultD]

C and we should go with licensing as a standard. Every state that has gun licenses have reduced homicides overall. You sit on thinking about killing a person for 3 weeks, you end up not following though. That is fundamental the point.

So when people say common sense gun laws, that is the intended example.

Also also. The gun industry should be limiting themselves. That is how you don't get government up your ass. That is how the mpaa for movies and esrb for video games have control of there own industry responsibility. Using the altered second amendment from 2008, by the supreme court, you are open to every opinion in America.

[tslater]

The shooter made the decision to go in and shoot everyone, so clearly it's the shooter's fault.
Granted, there are a ton of things that lead to that decision that brought the individual to that point and that's absolutely something that should be considered. However, everyone is personally responsible for their own decisions, that doesn't change if you pick up a weapon of any kind or any object to cause someone harm. You choose to do that!
I don't know what gets someone really to a point where they choose to inflict harm on others, but the point is that no matter how you do it, it's your choice. Words, fists, guns, knives, pencils, freaking water are all things that you could use to hurt someone and no matter what you choose it doesn't take away your guilt or your free will.

[Hunter7754]

I blame our mental health system. I put much of the blame on society because of how little we take men's mental health seriously.

Almost every mass shooter happens to be male. Young men are told from day 1 both directly and indirectly that we are disposable and that our purpose is to protect women and children and that they take priority over our well-being. Their emotions are invalidated regularly and the only acceptable emotions for men to show are anger or lust. We spend our entire lives bottling up things because we dont want to be a burden on anyone else and because we know many times, we'll just get told to 'man up'. They bottle everything up inside until eventually they explode violently.

[ActiveSh1tter]

That's nature not culture. A male who opens up too much about his weaknesses is instinctively viewed with disgust. This is how humans evolved. Women are more valuable than men and always will be because eggs are far more crucial to the species' survival than sperm.
Opening up about emotions is a mistake, believe me. You might think it will make things so much better but it won't. The real world isn't a movie.

[Hunter7754]

Oh no I do agree with you that men that open up are viewed with disgust (especially by other women). And I dont think that's really going to change anytime soon sadly. I'm just pointing this out, that's all.

[jeemm]

A B and C because:

A - He couldn't commit the crime without the gun
B - While it's sad and true people get bullied the bullies shouldn't get murdered
C - Weak mental fortitude and poor impulse control

[Factualman125]

A - he can still kill people with a truck or a car like that incel did

B - no but they have to held accountable

C - no a mentally ill person doesn't know he's hurting someone so no the shooter is very sane

[jeemm]

I never said they cannot kill people, I said they can't commit the crime using firearms.

Bullying is always held accountable, but the punishment shouldn't be unlawful manslaughter.

I haven't said anything about mentally ill people so not entirely sure what brought that up. What do you mean by "mentally ill people are very sane"?

[Factualman125]

I said mentally ill people don't know that they are hurting people hell they are more danger to themselves

I said the shooter is very sane. He wanted to kill people

[jeemm]

Once again I have no idea why you're talking about mentally ill people.

If wanting to kill people is something sane and normal people do then most of the human population is insane.

[Factualman125]

You said weak mental fortitude which I interpreted as mentally ill

And honestly yes because I watch documentaries and videos about crazy crimes or stuff I watch on youtube ,

there are plenty every day normal people who have done something that a patient from an asylum would do behind closed doors

That's the most chilling thing I have learned

[jeemm]

Mental fortitude means enduring hardships mentally. It doesn't necessarily have to do with mentally ill people.

So you watch videos and determine the definition of "normal" through them? If you randomly visit a household the chances are they have never had any physical altercations with each other but that wouldn't make for good content. That's the reason you only see people clawing at each other instead of sipping tea on the porch when you come across videos.

[Factualman125]

To be frank no I don't know what's normal anymore

those videos and real life crimes committed by people you thought are innocent but are deep down psychopaths

It makes you think doesn't it

[Factualman125]

It made me paranoid

[jeemm]

It doesn't. I thought it was common knowledge that humans are capable of cruelty and hostile intentions. That doesn't mean everyone feels like that or that it's common.

[Factualman125]

Yea but people keep associating human beings with kindness and compassion when in reality we are cruel and selfish

I laugh every time someone who is bullied shouting "treat me like a human being "

Because well humans have been putting beach other down for centuries so they are basically asking for what they don't want

[jeemm]

Being capable of cruelty isn't the same of being cruel by nature. You seem to be confused about a lot of things when it comes to "normal" human interactions. Every human is selfish though, that's one thing you're not mistaken about but that doesn't mean we can't be kind to each other as kindness brings us happiness --> selfish intentions through self-satisfaction.

[Factualman125]

Yes but often they do it without you knowing or looking like the bad guy

We are only kind under a condition and that is repayment

[jeemm]

So once when I helped an elderly woman find a bus to the location where she was going to what was the repayment apart from a happy feeling of being able to help others through kindness?

[Factualman125]

Her children or grandchildren can repay you duh !

[ActiveSh1tter]

It's for virtue signaling. They help the old lady cross the road because they believe it will give them a higher social status. The same people who help old ladies can go back home and beat their kids the same day. And they can be bullies at school and work.
Add to this that humans by nature value each other less on actions and more on appearance and genetics. Someone who is taller is treated far better than someone who is short. Someone who is handsome/pretty is treated far better than someone who is hideous. Human nature is for each individual to constantly try to feel superior to the other; to try to not be inferior, to get up the social ladder. Treating other people like shit is an integral part of that process. All people, regardless whether they claim to subscribe to this or that ethical doctrine, are objectively trash.

[jeemm]

So I'm trash for helping out an old lady without having any thoughts being socially superior to others?

[ActiveSh1tter]

Yes you are. Whatever you do there is a selfish reason behind it. You help her across the street because people are looking at you helping her.
Showing someone weaker than you pity is an instinctive way for you to feel superior to someone else. To be more specific evolutionarily it evolved as a form of disgust towards those that do not contribute enough to the tribe so they can be removed from it.

[jeemm]

I know it's selfish as there is no human action that isn't selfish, but that's not what I'm asking. I'm asking how I'm trash for helping out an elderly woman. If helping out people in need is the same as being trash then I should start kicking old people on the streets and puke on their maimed bodies.

[ActiveSh1tter]

How about you just leave them the f alone and mind your own business?

[jeemm]

Why would I? My goal in life is happiness even if it's just temporary.

[ActiveSh1tter]

Indeed it's your happiness, not someone else's.

[fabi1998]

I am not American so I can't really tell. I'd say though that I would blame all three of them. However their are no shootings without guns so I would blame them the most. You can blame mentally ill people but a certaint percentage of them will always exist.

[MackToday]

I blame nihilistic twisted ideas like postmodernism that have infiltrated and ruined our society.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knOwcZ0y5IE

[ActiveSh1tter]

More dopamine

[BlessedDaddy]

The people or person that did the shooting.

Is there someone or something else that you could possibly blame?

What the fuck is wrong with all of you?

YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERYTHING IN YOUR LIFE. EVERYTHING!!!

NO EXCUSES, NO BLAMING, OR CRYING LIKE LITTLE FUCKING BITCHES.

THESE DAYS GIRLS HAVE BIGGER BALLS THAN SOME OF YOU.

OWN YOUR LIFE AND STOP PUTTING EVERYTHING ON ANYTHING AND ANYONE BUT YOU.

MEN FUCKING UP!

[Meropatrick]

I blame the environment that allowed that to happen. Bullying and lack of mental health education. Also they must be in any building metal detectors. When I visited egypt any place you go there (church, mall, uni) you must pass through a metal detector

[updog45]

Ultimately its the shooters fault. I mean if you get treated poorly, you have the option to ignore it, or tell someone about it. Or handle it in a multitude of ways, the most extreme of which shooting up people that probably have nothing to do with it.

[RolandCuthbert]

American society extremely lonely, xenophobic, and violent. Until we figure out why, we will see these incidents more and more, every single year.

[ActiveSh1tter]

Most human societies are like this.
Most public places where humans are forced to attend, such as school and workplace, are darwinistic stressful hell.

[RolandCuthbert]

No, most societies are not like this. Most societies are not paralyzed in figuring out what is wrong and applying solutions.

[ActiveSh1tter]

There's no solution to human nature.

[RolandCuthbert]

But there is a solution to projection. Peopel need to stop projecting their cultural issues onto other groups. There are guys on the internet, sad, lonely, angry, and frustrated.

And it is because they think they are alone and that is just the way the world is.

Too many other people know that is a lie.

[ActiveSh1tter]

People don't go on shootings because of loneliness.
They do it for revenge.
If we could find a way to teach school on the internet instead of public places, and provide neetbux to everyone who hates stressful work environments, only then will mass shootings stop.

[RolandCuthbert]

Of course they do. How do you develop nutty ideas? You can't develop them in a proper social setting. If you are interacting with other people, friends/family and you have healthy relationships, it is hard to develop the notion that people need to die because of something you are frustrated with.

Folks who talk killing others because they are outcasts or because of their political beliefs or because of their supposed "race", don't really share much with others. Well, except for the few willing to engage them in their extremist insane ideology.

That's why extremist groups target loners. And try to get these guys to participate in extremist online forums. They isolate them. They work on them. They mold them. They claim they know where these guys are coming from. And there is always someone to blame.

How is the "Tree of Life" about revenge? How are the murders at Parkland, the ones at Sandy Hook, the ones in Orlando about revenge?

That does not even make sense in an insane asylum.

Those murders targeted people they didn't even know. People they had never met. Folks that were apart of some group they claimed caused them some personal pain.

But you can bet most of them were apart of some extreme nutty online forum or forums.

[Anonymous]

Not guns, obviously, but I can't say it's always the last one either. In a hypothetical scenario where someone gets bullied too much, and decides to murder his bullies, I can kinda understand and justify that. Bullying is literally the father of crime, it should never be ignored, and the only effective way to deal with bullying is to fuck back harder (ideally not with guns, but hey). But if someone starts killing random people because of some third party that did them harm, then it's their fault

[Kiran_Yagami]

The shooter, obviously. Mass killing is more than possible without guns. Most mass killers just aren't very inventive, but bombs and vehicles work just fine. That guy in France took out 72 people in less than 60 seconds using a semi-truck. That's faster than any gun could ever hope to accomplish.

[Anonymous]

I blame the instigators more so than the shooter IF the shooter is SANE to begin with

There are slot of ass hats in this world who love looking for trouble & it's all fun & games when messing with easy targets but eventually when the wrong person is provoked then that's when bullets start flying & Innocents start dropping like flies

It's common in urban environments for these types of "revenge" shootings to take place

[Bananaman177]

Mass shooters fucking rock. Even if I get shot by one, I wish him nothing but success with his great work.

[OddBeMe]

I really hope your joking. These days it’s hard to tell. If you’re not joking please just use your words online. Make your point there.

[Factualman125]

@OddBeMe off he is , the gun in the picture is a light machine gun

Those two used an MP 5

[Bananaman177]

@OddBeMe Don't be a puss, bro. Holy shit. Wet your knickers over there, scared like the little sheep they want you to be...

[OddBeMe]

Gee I wonder why? If only someone gave a shit before Columbine.

[Bananaman177]

@OddBeMe Exactly. People who treat other people like they don't matter deserve to LEARN why other people matter, why other people's pain matters. Why other people's problems matter. Why it's not okay to abandon people around you to their doomed fate and only care about yourself and people who make you feel good. Columbine was a crash course in why empathy matters. But people are just so stupid and set in their ways, I don't think learning is really something they're capable of. Most people are just NPC's. It's the furthest thing from a tragedy when a bunch of them get shot, even if they are children. So what? They're child NPC's who are gonna grow up to be adult NPC's, bg fucking loss. It's like crying for a bunch of weeds that got pulled and thrown in a bin, "Oh, how precious their little lives were, they were going to grow up and be BIG weeds! Waaaahh!"

That's what it sounds like to me when they mourn for shooting victims on the news. "Waaah, whatever will we do without these little fucking doofuses? Ah-boo-hoo! Ah-boo-hoo-hoo!"

[OddBeMe]

@bananaman177 I do agree that assholes never learn, but no one has the right to take life away. I think you’re an ass who has empathy problems and by your own logic, I should kill you. But I won’t.

[Factualman125]

@OddBeMe oh please humans have been doing this shit for years

They have been killing , raping and torturing each other for so long

And your still surprised of this shit

Human beings don't care about other human beings

The greatest danger to a human being is not nature , it's not animals , it's a another fucking human being

I laugh every time at people comment behind a computer about a crime

Like " omg that is so sad I'm literally crying 😭😭😭 why did this happen?" While eating pizza in front of the computer

You may say that no has the right to take a life but really you think people are gonna listen , as long as that crime benefits them , they will do it

[OddBeMe]

Factualman125 people do actually, we are one of a few species with altruism. But based on your logic should we bother outlawing murder?

[Factualman125]

@OddBeMe why bother even with the murder being illegal it's still happening

And the justice system takes forever to solve a crime

A serial killer can go killing all day long

[Factualman125]

Altruism huh? Racism and sexism says otherwise

[Bananaman177]

@OddBeMe You SHOULD kill me. bring your weapons. I have mine.

[OddBeMe]

@bananaman177 and @factualman125 It really seems like you two share a brain. And the same interests. Maybe you should kill or fck each other. Cuz I ain’t interested. And I would say 7bil people in the world says we know how to be altruistic. Just assholes like you guys we need to watch out for.

[Bananaman177]

@OddBeMe Yeah, you'll probably get your head blown off by someone just like me.

[OddBeMe]

@Bananaman177 And a normal country would mark that post for investigation of a potential killer.

[Bananaman177]

@OddBeMe They probably did already, but they can't arrest me for a crime that hasn't happened yet just because I said I think it would be good if it did happen.

Boom, case closed. Because there is no case. Because nothing happened. I'm not even a needle in a haystack, I'm a piece of hay. . . out of 300 million haystacks.

I welcome investigation!

[AynonOMouse]

If they would only target the people that screwed them over repeatedly then I would blame the people that screwed them over.
But when they shoot random people that didn't do anything to them, then I blame the shooter.

[hxbbah]

Yess agreed

[GraceLight]

I blame the people who put the murder through this, and the murder him/her self
Especially his parents and the school board for taking abuse seriously

[Dihiya]

The number of peoples that votes it was the "shooters" faults explains perfectly why there is mass shooters

[ActiveSh1tter]

What do you mean?

[Dihiya]

To me the people blaming the shooter are the ones that triggered him to do it, if they were less selfish and privileged the well being of the society over their person (even if it meant losing your popularity/privilege or putting yourself at risk of being the next target), they would have been more attentive noticed if a member of the society they live in suffers from problems (at home or school) and offered their help, or reported it to qualified people who would take it seriously and deal with it to avoid tragedy altogether.
i stood up for other people in high school and it earned me... let's say unnecessary enemies, did it stop me from making friends? no, did it stop me from living my best life in high school? no, did it stop me from scoring the hottest guy at the time? no, see!! i lost nothing (although guns are banned were i 'm from so it's impossible for something as extreme and violant as a mass shouting to occur, but still the thought that i helped a person at a point were he was vulnerable and could pretty much develop some disorder (especially if he is predisposed to) or lose his confidence and believe whatever c*** told to him, makes me happy and feel I've done something for the society)

Seing how i noticed/acted back then makes me conclude that it's not bc people didn't notice or were immature, but bc they chose to ignore or not be bothered since it wasn't them.

[ActiveSh1tter]

"offered their help, or reported it to qualified people who would take it seriously and deal with it to avoid tragedy altogether."
Telling someone "hey little buddy, you want a friend?", or forcefully sending them to a psychiatrist, is patronizing and condescending. Rather than help it's more likely to be the last straw, and you will be the very first target of their gun.
I think your issue is you had some inferiority complex so you wanted someone who you could publicly feel superior to. It's an ego boost.

[Dihiya]

"I think your issue is you had some inferiority complex so you wanted someone who you could publicly feel superior to. It's an ego boost." if you say so (it's an astounding deduction though)

[akihon]

When somebody gets drunk and drives a car into a school child who do you blame

[ActiveSh1tter]

The driver

[akihon]

Exactly but nobody blames the car. The point that I'm making then is this even though more people die each year because if drunk drivers nobody wants to ban cars, but everyone wants to ban guns, guns aren't the problem they are a symptom of a bigger issue a sign of a dying society

[Jamie05rhs]

The person who did it. AND the people who noticed the signs with that individual but never spoke up. AND the people who chose not to have armed security at the venue.

[ActiveSh1tter]

What if the armed security starts mistaking shiny objects for guns like cops do?

[Jamie05rhs]

You said "mass" shootings. The identity of the object is only unclear if it hasn't been fired yet. Once you hear a BANG and somebody drops to the ground, then blast his ass.

[Jamie05rhs]

Also, if you're whipping out something that looks like a gun and pointing it at people then your dumb ass deserves to get shot anyway.

[DiscomfortZone]

FBI can feel free to track me down. I'll them how I wish it were that easy to get guns here, and exactly how I'd use them. Too bad it's illegal to make a preemptive arrest based on "empty" threats, huh? :)

[jgokgotit]

I blame the shooter. However, killing is justified to take out the shooter. Guns are not the issue, people with bad hearts are the issue.

[Marriedwith2]

It's OBVIOUSLY the fault of the pathetic white male who commits the mass shooting

I love that update. Didn't get the number of B votes you hoped for? 🤣🤣🤣

[Factualman125]

Two words DC sniper

[Marriedwith2]

@Factualman125 I love that your clever response is "Hey remember that one time a black guy did it? That means it's all even!!!" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Both a pathetic and adorable counter... and it's a bonus that you obviously felt so smart with that

[Factualman125]

Nope it just shows that black people are perfectly capable of mass shootings

White people are just better at it

It's even funnier to think that mass shootings makes black people innocent of the crimes that they commit

Yea we commit more heinous crimes but black people are in no way innocent either

Yea we do get more media coverage because the major victims are white and if it's racially charged mass shooting it's makes for an extra juicy story

But go own ahead practice what white people have been doing for years

As Obi wan said

" You became the very thing you have sworn to destroy "

[Marriedwith2]

@Factualman125 All that BS! Anybody CAN be a mass shooter... it just happens that most people's self-esteem and manhood is sufficient that they don't need to resort to that... it would seem that those right-wing white males' are lacking

[Factualman125]

White incels , old fatasses and trump supporters do not represent all white men or even the general white male population

Just like thugs and black serial killers don't represent black men

[Factualman125]

Yes black serial killers exists

But here's the thing majority of serial killers victims are their own race

And since black people are the major victims of black serial killers

The media wouldn't care also it's afraid of being called racist

A white girl goes missing the media will cover it like the fate of the world is at hands

Black people go missing the media just treats it as a normal everyday routine and put it on the last page or might not even cover it

Funny thing is female mass shooters out number black mass shooters

[Factualman125]

Yup there have been mass shooters of every race and gender you just have to Google it ( but more specifically )

White men are just better at it

[ActiveSh1tter]

@Factualman125 white people are more likely to go on mass shootings because white society is generally more likely to bully and ostracize each other than black society, which is the main cause behind shootings.

[BCA6010]

The shooter always. Others additionally, depending on circumstances.

[humanearth]

The shooter fault and I blame Gun Grabbers who are trying to pull guns from people that can take out the idiot out

[TheBreakfastGuy]

I blame the public education system and the government in general

[Trooper205]

Drugs
Gun-Free environment
Modern Warfare Video Games
Bullying
The Parents' lack of teaching
The Shooter's lack of Wisdom

[AngelLily]

I Blame the shooter and the parents for not paying attention to there child.

[OddBeMe]

True, seems like all shooters had parents who thought giving him a gun would help. How stupid are they?

[Factualman125]

Don't forget the bullies and the schools pathetic justice system

Seriously why all the blame on the parents , my parents are angels to everyone and especially to me (but can be stern when necessary )

I was raised properly for i don't have any mass shooting urge

But dear god the society and it's people can be very toxic to live in and with

[OddBeMe]

And the gun culture that masturbates over firearms.

[Factualman125]

@OddBeMe no on the hands of a stable man it has no harm

But the problem is it always lands in the unstable ones

[OddBeMe]

Even the unstable ones are stable until they start killing 8 year old students. That’s the fcking point. There’s no way to know until they do the crime. So let’s have some common sense gun safety laws like they do in every other damn country.

[Greta_lover]

The pharmaceutical industry in America pumping people full of antidepressants and giving them stronger doses than they need.

[ZeussLightningBolt]

Our mental health system.
But in the case of the mosque shooting, I blamed Muslim terrorists.

[ActiveSh1tter]

What mosque shooting?

[ZeussLightningBolt]

The one in New Zealand. Muslims had it coming.

[ActiveSh1tter]

If u say so

[Rangers]

The lack of security and the fact that they don't allow civilians to carry firearms to protect themselves in that area.

[Passinggas]

I blame the media for making these nut cases famous so that they can promote their political agenda.

[Games_]

Initially it's the shooters fault but bullies have part in it.

[Anonymous]

I blame the shooter. Just like I black the rapist, not the penis. Just like I blame the drunk driver, not Bacardi or Ford. Just like I blame the slasher, not the blade.

[Matt57]

Shooter, bullies, and terrible impulse control and awareness.

[Shamalien]

I blame the shooter, then the bullies, then the gun and in that order.

[OddBeMe]

I blame gun rights assholes who refuse any safety laws that would keep guns out of crazy bastard’s hands.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

You can't blame a lifeless object as a gun. The responsibility falls on the individual who did the murdering. I blame him or her for the shooting.

[Anonymous]

the victims.

because people are just awful. everything is getting worse and they don't care. So long.

[ActiveSh1tter]

Based

[ActiveSh1tter]

I root for the underdog and the ostracized, not for the normalfags

[Opinion Owner]

Incels are the underdogs

[esotericstory]

There was a shooter in Germany yesterday. I blame society.

[YHL6965]

I usually blamed the awful mental healthcare system and the bullies.

[Gamillions]

NO GUN EVER WOKE UP ONE MORNING AND THOUGHT... LET'S GO KILL SMEONE TODAY.

[Luukas]

US gun laws because most mass shootings happens in US..

[Anonymous]

i'm always curious why people think banning guns would fix the problem. What good did it do when they banned alcohol to fix that problem?

[Anonymous]

Obviously the shooter, the gun can’t do anything with out the shooter and bullies definitely have a part in this

[Wolkmi]

The bullet, lolololol, A weapon on its own does nothing if it is not loaded

[Anonymous]

I don't think it's the guns or the people although they have that choice but when I click u click.

[OddBeMe]

So it’s not the guns or the people responsible for gun deaths. Is it god?

[Opinion Owner]

Not God just the person's mentality breaking.

[OddBeMe]

Agreed. If we only had some way of keeping that broken person from buying a fire arm the problems solved.

[Opinion Owner]

But they probably had the gun before that happened

[OddBeMe]

Actually no. The latest ones acquired weapons even after having mental issues on their record. Yet they bought AR 15s and tons of ammo without concern. What a country.

[Opinion Owner]

Not what I said but ok

[OddBeMe]

You said they prob had the gun before mentally breaking. I’m saying investigators discovered gun purchases after they had mental issues or domestic violence issues on their record.

[SexyAshh]

The unchecked mental health of the shooter.

[0oGreyo0]

How do check someones mental health

[Boppy]

vibe check

[ActiveSh1tter]

@0oGreyo0 ask them obviously

[0oGreyo0]

I can't tell if that's sarcasm or not

[Boppy]

Mine was sarcasm, but yeah if asked by someone they trust, they might mention it.
Also lots of them get labeled by the other kids well in advance, as they tend to be social rejects, by my understanding.

[SexyAshh]

You go to a physchiatrist. Dont be ignorant. Clearly you know nothing of mental health, eduacate yourself or dont comment on my post at all.

[0oGreyo0]

@SexyAshh again why would a crazy person go to physiatrists most of these people mental health isn't anything a psychiatrist can help.
Majority of them are a loser in life with guns. They had no girl lived with their mom on drugs (we never know what they are taking). These people have a hate cult mindset. The world did me dirty so j don't care about myself. And if i don't care about myself why would i care about you.
You can probably list on one hand rhe ones who had actual mental issues. The others not so much.

[Boppy]

USA clarification:
In the USA, a Psychologist studies primarily psychology and a psychiatrist studies primarily medicine. Typically, a psychologist would do diagnosis and therapy stuff, and a psychiatrist would prescribe medication.

[SexyAshh]

@Boppy thank you.

[SexyAshh]

No further explaining, figure it out yourself or argue elsewhere.

[IAMNathanael]

The shooter did it. Shooter gets the fault

[Tanisha69]

I blame Trump!! lol jk

[OddBeMe]

I’d say his rhetoric is to blame for El Paso shooting. But I’m not for censorship.

[Tanisha69]

@OddBeMe Everybody blames Trump for everything

[OddBeMe]

If everyone around you doesn’t like you, it may be you.

[Piteka5]

The industrial revolution and its consequences

[ActiveSh1tter]

Have given us porn and video games. Don't complain.

[Piteka5]

Precisely my point, ahahaha

[OfDeath]

It's the society in general but also the shooter

[Primrose21]

The shooter.

[Primrose21]

Plus Gun Culture of America is causing backfire to them.

[OddBeMe]

Some Americans jack off to their guns don’t they?

[Factualman125]

@OddBeMe so what I haven't killed anyone or have a desire to do so

I love guns but I frankly don't have the money and I don't like owning one

[Factualman125]

There are plenty of countries with an abundance of guns and where are the mass shooting

It's mostly an American problem

[Primrose21]

"Plenty of countries abundance with guns" U mean a few of western countries? Coz in Asia, Africa, some parts of Europe Guns among civilians are not a normal thing. Only military personel and a few (for hobby) owns a gun. Mass shooting is never a problem in this places.
Plus, bullying is also present in this places but rarely have cases of mass shootings. So I doubt Bullying have something to do with it. So It's obviously the people (Over sense of entitlement) and the gun culture is the problem.

[Primrose21]

@Factualman125 I agree this issue is mostly an American Problem. Tho, Americans are indenial of this fact. They got too much self entitlement that they ended up offended over everything. So Americans + Gund is never a good combination.

[Factualman125]

Oh bullying and the schools lack of discipline can be a perfect candidate for school shootings

I once say a girl write in a website that she's gonna shoot up the school because she can't take it

Likely authorities were able to stop it

But yes entitlement is also a major cause of it

[Rangers]

That must be why LTC holders are 1/5 as likely to commit crime as police officers and between 500,000-3,000,000 innocent lives are saved every year in America through the defensive use of firearms. And mass shootings only accounted for 296 deaths in 2019, and gun homicides have been on the decline for decades, despite what CNN wants you to think. On top of that, the mass shootings take place and are as bad as they are because of the addition of gun free zones not allowing civilians to carry and enclosing large amounts of defenseless people in a small space, the perfect target for an evil prick who wants to do damage. Does the constitution mean nothing to you? Oh right, you're not an American, so limited government control, power to the people, self defense, and freedom are all things you've never experienced and have a negative view of it shaped by leaders who will imprison you if you say something they don't like, I see.

[OddBeMe]

@factualman125 If our culture is so in love with guns, and guns are so easy to buy, these mass shootings will continue. And every mass shooter is a law abiding gun owner up to the point he kills the first person.

[Rangers]

@OddBeMe I know that as a liberal, you're scared of facts, but you're a bit out of control

[OddBeMe]

@Rangers What did I say that wasn’t factual? We have a gun culture. Guns are available to anyone at gun shows with limited regulation. You don’t think that affects gun violence?

[Rangers]

@OddBeMe Statistically, making guns available to law abiding citizens has far more positives than negatives. Everything you said wasn't factual and in fact is the inverse of the truth

[OddBeMe]

@Rangers Great! Please list the stats from their sources.

[Rangers]

https://americangunfacts.com/

[OddBeMe]

@Factualman125 All mass shooters prob said the same thing. And they were all law abiding citizens the moment before they pulled the trigger.

[OddBeMe]

@Rangers There’s a problem with your pretty infographic. They’re not factoring how many actually own guns. Only a small percentage of Americans make up the majority of gun ownership. Because they have stockpiles. I’m guessing you’re one of them.

[OddBeMe]

@Rangers Here’s an actual link to the Harvard Study. Guess what? You graphic 100% wrong

www.hsph.harvard.edu/.../

[Primrose21]

@OddBeMe I agree.

[Rangers]

Use CDC, Harvard is under leftist control🙄🙄🙄

[Rangers]

@OddBeMe So what? There's absolutely nothing wrong with people owning plenty of guns, after all, we've only got two hands anyways, and how many guns I own is none of your fucking business. Sure, discount a study done by CDC for baseless claims made by a school run by leftists

[OddBeMe]

@Rangers Did you read the source of your American gun facts pictogram?

[OddBeMe]

@Rangers I don’t really have a problem with you owning a lot of guns. But the point is right wingers skew facts by saying there’s so many guns in society. Yeah, but only by a small amount of owners. It’s how easy they are to buy that concerns me. Don’t you think we should make it harder for crazy people and domestic abusers?

[Factualman125]

@OddBeMe we should that's why we need license and registration

Also psychological evaluation

[Rangers]

@OddBeMe It already is hard, and they'll get them regardless, so I'd rather allow citizens to arm themselves if and when those people try to hurt them.
@Factualman125 Those unequivocally lead to gun confiscation exclusively from law abiding citizens, as such, that's a horrible idea.

[OddBeMe]

@Rangers Except all the mass shootings have been by guys who bought guns legally. Shouldn’t we put some safety laws in place to keep guns out of the hands of mentally disturbed, domestic violence prone or on the terrorist watch list?

[Rangers]

@OddBeMe We already do, but to the surprise of only liberals such as yourself, criminals don't follow laws and won't magically be stopped by a sign that says you'll be charged with a felony if you walk past it with a gun, they'll walk right through and shoot into a crowd of unarmed people known as soft targets.

[OddBeMe]

@Rangers So domestic abusers can’t get guns? Those on terrorist watch list? Gun show loop holes closed? Cuz I’m pretty sure these problems still exist.

[Rangers]

@OddBeMe Domestic abusers can't get guns, the no fly list is currently exempt because you can be placed there for any or no reason at all. And as for the so called loophole, you Democrats have only widened it by closing FFL dealer's bank accounts, having the ATF illegally take photos of 4473 forms during compliance checks (that's a violation of our right to privacy and it's an attempt to create a backdoor gun registry), taxing them to absolute hell and incentivizing them to just take a good look at you and judge whether you're cool or not and sell it to you without a background check. It's against the law for an FFL dealer to sell a firearm to someone without conducting a background check first, but by restricting buyers to cash by shutting down the bank accounts of FFL dealers, preventing them from making payment through cards, increasing the tax to 28%, and violating the privacy of buyers and again, committing a federal crime by illegally taking photos of 4473 forms of dealers, you've incentivized dealers not to conduct a background check before selling their guns. I support dealers who are doing this because what democrats are doing is unacceptable and they're undeniably trying to prevent law abiding citizens from getting guns and this is the "fuck you" to them because now they don't get their free money through taxes the ATF doesn't get the 4473 forms to illegally and unconstitutionally create a backdoor gun registration.

[OddBeMe]

That complete BS. Abusers get guns all the time. Don’t know about ffl dealers, but I’ll take your word for it. But what’s wrong with a gun registry? The government ain’t ever gonna take 300 mil guns. But shouldn’t I know if my neighbor has a magnum?

[Rangers]

@OddBeMe Gun registry unequivocally leads to door to door confiscation. And absolutely not, their private property is absolutely none of your business and you have no right to know what they have and don't have. by the way, it's called a revolver

[OddBeMe]

@Rangers Does car registration lead to door to door car confiscation?

[Rangers]

@OddBeMe Without fail, yes, everytime, they even admitted it was their plan.

[OddBeMe]

@Rangers Governments don’t repossess cars dumbass. Companies with liens do.

[CaptainSmartass]

The perp.

Simples...

[Agape93]

The shooter

[Thefinisher11]

What about the bullies? We can't rule them out

[ActiveSh1tter]

@Thefinisher11 agreed

[Agape93]

Bullies may be a factor in pushing them over the edge. As can anything from family issues to not getting laid. The sole blame lies with the shooter, it was their actions that caused harm the most b

[Thefinisher11]

Unfortunately because of one of the "victim" the rest of kids have to suffer

I can guarantee you even if there was no school shootings , the bullying and suicides will take care of the body count

[Agape93]

There will always be bullies and death. But that’s not what this is about, this is about who is to blame for a mass shooting. That person will always be the shooter themself.

[Thefinisher11]

True he's the main villian and we also have to keep in mind he might not be the only bad guy

[Agape93]

True. But again, that’s not what this is about. This is, again, who is to blame for the shooting. That’s it, no one else. No amount of bullying can force someone to mass murder, unless the bully themself physically forces the shooter to actually shoot his victims.

[Thefinisher11]

" no amount of bullying can force someone to mass murder "

I'm sorry to say your wrong there have been instances of mass shootings caused by bullying

A girl was bullied so badly she wrote on some website that she's gonna shoot up the school (luckily authorities were able to respond )

In the moment of pain and agony our minds can sometimes make us do poor decisions

But are we really the judge for their pain , some people can survive depression others can't take it and then kill themselves

That's why this torture and bullying is so dangerous , it can sometimes create a monster that hurts people who have nothing to do with their sufferings

We can just simply dismiss this issue for being labelled " it was his decision and he's evil "

If it's that way we can never stop mass shootings

We need to see through the perspective of the shooter

Why does he do it and what satisfaction does he get from that ? Only then can we stop this madness

I'm also aware that some mass shooters use this bullying as an excuse for their crimes.

But then again there have been false accusations of rape , does that mean we should dismiss all rapes as false?

No we should not

[Agape93]

Caused, yes. But indirectly. Same with every other cause out there, from not getting laid to getting laid off.
We won’t stop mass shootings, that is no longer an option on the table. Even if all firearms are banned, smuggling will happen and desperate people will get them or other weapons to cause mass death. It is impossible to stop every possible thing from happening that could lead to a mass shooting. But again, who’s to blame for those deaths? The jackass who bullies people, or the one who pulled the trigger? Saying anything otherwise is nonsense.

No matter how much one is bullied, it matters not. The bully doesn’t pull the trigger. The bully isn’t forcing the shooter to do anything. The bully may even end up a victim because of the SHOOTERS choices. Key word, choice. The shooter is choosing to kill innocent people, and maybe a bully or two at best.

[Agape93]

Or perhaps, if an incel goes on a killing spree because girls won’t date him. It’s happened before. Are you saying the girls should be partly to blame for the killings? If not, you’re showing a glaring double standard. If yes, you need to re-evaluate your thought process.

[Thefinisher11]

Only If the girl goes her way to absolutely humiliating him in front of others

instead of rejecting him with a simple "no"

But it's still no excuse to kill people that one I agree

I agree that about 90 or 95 to 98 percent of the blame should be on the shooters sole decision to kill people

But honestly I would still say that the bully at least played a hand in such creation , he would deserve the bullet as much as the shooter himself

[Thefinisher11]

I'm not trying to excuse , accept or sympathise with the shooter

I just want to see both sides of the problem

[Agape93]

Now what’s the metric for that? Just rejection in a normal way could be seen by him as public humiliation. That too, has happened, and gotten people killed.

Except, the issue is, what the bully does or doesn’t do is irrelevant. The basic fact is the bully didn’t force him to pull the trigger on innocent people. The SHOOTER did. If he just wanted revenge on his tormentors that would be one thing. But how do you give blame to a bully for the choices of the shooter? For when the shooter targets people indiscriminately? That makes no sense. You would literally be blaming the victim.

[Thefinisher11]

Ah but the thing I forgot to mention here's the thing the school system is pretty horrible at handling bullies

You heard of the crazy stories of how the the victim of bullying get suspended instead of the bully himself

A gag user ( she was anon ) had personal experience where her brother was bullied ( pushed down the stairs ) and what did the principal say

"Boys will be boys " that's the principal's response

With the school basically punishes the boy for fighting back bullies , how do you expect people to not go insane

And then the school blames it on video games

So yea school and bullies have a small catalyst to the shootings

You also need to understand that there have been girls who post on the internet saying " did this ugly guy actually come up to me and think I was going to date him? Ugh so gross "

But yes incels like Elliot Roger have over exaggerated the rejection

That one was completely on him , incel crimes are completely on themselves

And shooters like Nikolaus Cruz and Dylan roof are definitely responsible for their crimes , no sympathy needed for those kinds of shooters

[Thefinisher11]

I blame the shooter and the bullies never the gun

[ActiveSh1tter]

With 3d printing it's unlikely we could ban guns if we tried

[incelposting]

Women

[Games_]

Ok incel

[Plitty-Tank]

Blame the shooter and Satan for enticing them.

[JesseJayNeak]

I mixed between B and C

[Dongtai]

Society as a whole.